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DaveRaver
10-28-2006, 08:33 PM
What is the origin of this phrase? Why "broke" and not "broken"?

TheLoadedDog
10-28-2006, 08:40 PM
Wild Arsed Guess: It's meant to portray extreme conservatism and fear of change and modernity, and sounding like a hillbilly captures that nicely.

Now garn! Git orf mah laaand!

Diogenes the Cynic
10-28-2006, 08:50 PM
It seems to be attributed to Bert Lance (http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/6/messages/651.html)
Originated in the United States in the twentieth century. Government official Bert Lance (1931- ) was quoted in the May 1977 issue of 'Nation's Business' as saying, 'If it ain't broke don't fix it.' Lance's advice, according to William Safire, 'has become a source of inspiration to anti-activists.'." From "Random House Dictionary of Popular Proverbs and Sayings" (1996) by Gregory Y. Titelman (Random House, New York, 1996).
Lance was an advisor to Jimmy Carter.

Sevastopol
10-28-2006, 08:53 PM
"Oft to better we mar what's well."

Colibri
10-28-2006, 10:14 PM
Wild Arsed Guess: It's meant to portray extreme conservatism and fear of change and modernity, and sounding like a hillbilly captures that nicely.

Now garn! Git orf mah laaand!

Not really. "Broke" for "broken" in American English is just kind of folksy. I think it's meant to portray a kind of common-sense, folk-wisdom kind of attitude.

Ruffian
10-29-2006, 12:23 AM
Why "ain't" and not "isn't"? Same reason, I'd assume...a dialectal affect to make it sound like simple-and-to-the-point "country."

[size=1]...said the West Virginian-born Californian.

Rigamarole
10-29-2006, 12:30 AM
Why "broke" and not "broken"?

I don't think the coiners of the phrase had their MLA handbooks handy at the time.

glee
10-29-2006, 04:13 AM
Why "ain't" and not "isn't"? Same reason, I'd assume...a dialectal affect to make it sound like simple-and-to-the-point "country."


Lessee now, young 'un. 'Ain't' and 'broke' have a nice ring to 'em, that's for sure.
Hard to keep up with you city folk. Fancy some lemonade? Ah squeezed it m'self.

A.R. Cane
10-29-2006, 04:31 AM
It seems to be attributed to Bert Lance (http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/6/messages/651.html)

Lance was an advisor to Jimmy Carter.

Sorry, but I worked for an old Navy Chief, in the early 60's, who used the phrase all the time.

chowder
10-29-2006, 04:46 AM
Lessee now, young 'un. 'Ain't' and 'broke' have a nice ring to 'em, that's for sure.
Hard to keep up with you city folk. Fancy some lemonade? Ah squeezed it m'self.


yuh mean mahself m'boy :D

samclem
10-29-2006, 07:34 AM
Sorry, but I worked for an old Navy Chief, in the early 60's, who used the phrase all the time. Do you happen to know where he was born, raised, and from?

AskNott
10-29-2006, 12:00 PM
Balance, and rhythm, that's why. If the coiner of the phrase had said, "If it isn't broken, don't fix it," the rhythm would be lumpy, and it wouldn't have that staccato tang of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." That's my take on it.

A.R. Cane
10-29-2006, 12:10 PM
Do you happen to know where he was born, raised, and from?

I'm sure he was from the south, but I don't know what part.

EvilGhandi
10-29-2006, 12:47 PM
If it is not broken, Do not repair it.

Sorry, just aint got the same ring.

Jeff Lichtman
10-29-2006, 01:44 PM
I don't have any citations, but I'm sure the phrase pre-dates Bert Lance's use in 1977. I think the phrase originally referred to things that were physically unbroken, not metaphorically unbroken. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" was standard advice to a tinkerer - for example, a backyard mechanic who decides to rebuild a carburetor just because it's been six months since he did it the last time.

As for why the phrase uses "broke" and "ain't" instead of "broken" and "isn't" - these words make the phrase sound homespun. They invoke the image of the wise rube - the person without formal education who is nonetheless full of common sense.

rowrrbazzle
10-29-2006, 01:51 PM
It's so obvious that even those with imperfect English know it, and those with better English (seemingly more intelligent) sometimes ignore it and get poor results.

David Simmons
10-29-2006, 07:35 PM
One WAG as to a possible origin. When Henry Ford put out his Model T he knew that many of them would wind up in the hands of inveterate tinkerers who would want to fiddle with this new gadget. So the owner's instruction manual started off with:

IF THE CAR IS RUNNING, LEAVE IT ALONE.

Gary T
10-29-2006, 07:41 PM
I first heard it in an auto repair shop in the early 70's, and have no doubt it arose way before then. Likewise the favorite question of my boss at said shop (to me, the only college graduate in the place) - "If you're so smart, how come you're not rich?"

Bert Lance may have introduced it to a bunch of white-collar folks and intellectuals who hadn't run across it before, but I don't see the cite above claiming he originated it. Which is good, because he didn't.

Xema
10-29-2006, 08:08 PM
It's meant to portray extreme conservatism and fear of change and modernity
I've always understood it differently - along the lines of Shakespeare's "rather bear those ills we have than fly to others we know not of".

And I agree that it certainly pre-dates 1977.

Gary T
10-29-2006, 08:32 PM
Wild Arsed Guess: It's meant to portray extreme conservatism and fear of change and modernity...
I can see where you're coming from, but in all the use I've heard it's a much more practical thing: don't muck around with something that's performing perfectly well - it's almost always a waste of effort, and you're much more likely to make it worse than to improve it.

CookingWithGas
10-29-2006, 08:41 PM
This is frequently attributed to Ann Landers. Although I do not have a cite to indicate she made it up, she certainly popularized it. She began writing her column in 1955.

Annie-Xmas
10-30-2006, 08:31 AM
I remember my mother using this expression all her life. She was an Old New Englander, and it does sound like the backwoods speech of an Old New Englander.