Dear harveyc: would you kindly STFU? Thanks.

[RTFirefly]

I mean, I'm barely paying attention to this thread (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=403118), and I still find you extremely annoying.

You're certainly not listening to what's being said to you, or at least your responses don't reflect it. I'm not sure why the other posters in the thread continue to try to argue with you, because it's a bit like trying to argue with a brick wall with embedded speakers playing a taped loop.

[EddyTeddyFreddy]

Yeh, what's left to say? Waste of time engaging that idiot any further, was obviously a waste of time after its third or fourth response. I'd rather argue with the brick wall. At least you could take a tire iron to it when you got fed up.

[XT]

I still haven't figured this guy out. Is he a closet right winger taking pot shots at the Dems for not having fixed all the problems of the country in 5 days, or a left wing nut ball taking pot shots at the Dems because they haven't deposed Bush et al yet, brought the troops home and make the country safe for our new socialist masters?

I have to agree with RT though...the guy seems immune to arguement and simply knows what he knows. I really liked how he deflected calls for cites of his position by asking those who requested said cites for cites of their own first. :p

-XT

[The Hamster King]

I still haven't figured this guy out. Is he a closet right winger taking pot shots at the Dems for not having fixed all the problems of the country in 5 days, or a left wing nut ball taking pot shots at the Dems because they haven't deposed Bush et al yet, brought the troops home and make the country safe for our new socialist masters?As I said in the original thread, I think he's a stealth right winger trying to smear the Dems for playing politics with the war. My evidence?

* He made reference to the "stab in the back" explanation for losing Vietnam, which is usually a far-right meme.

* He also at one point said to another poster "There you go again ... " without apparent sarcasm. I can't see a rabid left-winger quoting Reagan like that without doing it tongue in cheek.

* Finally ... I spend a lot of time on rabid left-wing political blogs and I'm not reading anything like this there. Mostly they're pleased that the Democrats are in power and DOING SOMETHING in the first 100 hours. Even the rabid firebreathers all know that it's going to be a long slog to force Bush to end the war.

He may not be a troll, but I certainly don't think he's arguing in good faith.

[Fritz]

I can't find it because I don't think there is a good search function, but a week or so ago, a troll showed up on the Think Progress board (one of many trolls) and had a style very much like harveyc: beating up Dems for slow action - a day or two after the Dems took power.

I suspect it's the same person.

[Marley23]

I still haven't figured this guy out. Is he a closet right winger taking pot shots at the Dems for not having fixed all the problems of the country in 5 days, or a left wing nut ball taking pot shots at the Dems because they haven't deposed Bush et al yet, brought the troops home and make the country safe for our new socialist masters?
And then there's the question, "does it matter?" He's an embarrassment to whatever side of the political spectrum he's on, if he's on any - unless he's part of the Stubborn Moron Party, in which case he should be Secretary for Redundancy.

[Fritz]

And then there's the question, "does it matter?" He's an embarrassment to whatever side of the political spectrum he's on, if he's on any - unless he's part of the Stubborn Moron Party, in which case he should be Secretary for Redundancy.
That's Secretary of the Department of Redundancy Department :)

...and you're right - what he says seem to be a tape loop, and he's got is fingers jammed into his ears up to his knuckles.

[John Mace]

Lefty or Righty, the guy is an idiot. If I had to guess, though, I'd say "righty".

[Frostillicus]

Lefty or Righty, the guy is an idiot. If I had to guess, though, I'd say "righty".

When in doubt, that's the way to lean. :D

[EddyTeddyFreddy]

Whatever his inclinations, he gives troglodytes a bad name.

[Miller]

That's Secretary of the Department of Redundancy Department :)


Actually, it's Co-Secretary of the Department of Redundancy Department.

But the other guy does all the work.

[Fritz]

Actually, it's Co-Secretary of the Department of Redundancy Department.

But the other guy does all the work.
:p

[jayjay]

In the very first post (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8128448&postcount=1) of the thread in question, he uses the term "Democrat Congress" (which is definitely a Republican-favored usage) twice. He's no lefty...and that leaves the other option.

[XT]

I'll take ya'll word for it then. :) I was confused, but then, thats why I come to this board...to become unconfused. Somewhat of course. :p

As Marley23 said earlier, it probably doesn't matter...the guy is either a troll or he's so dense and set in his own convictions that its pointless to debate with him, as he's immune to arguement and just keeps saying the same things over and over again...just in new and uninteresting ways. He reminds me somewhat of Gonzomax, just with a better grasp or punctuation, spelling and without all the annoying drive by links. Same block headed immunity to arguement though, same annoying way of saying the same things over and over again, regardless of the points made by other posters.

-XT

[Auntbeast]

I clicked the linked thread and was bored before I finished the first sentence. Browsing the rest of the op didn't up the ante.

Then again, with all the trolling lately, I'm pretty leery of such threads by guests.

[lowbrass]

I don't know; it's kind of fun.

"Why don't they cut the funding like they promised?"

"They didn't promise to cut the funding"

"If they cut the funding, Bush will have to pull out"

"That won't work"

"Yes it will, they did it for Vietnam"

"No they didn't

"They should cut the funding"

"That wouldn't work"

"They should cut the funding like they did in Vietnam"

"That wouldn't work, and they didn't do that in Vietnam"

"Why don't they cut the funding like they promised to?"

It's kind of like being on a really crappy merry-go-round.

[rjung]

Is it me, or is there a recent influx of brick-headed righties to the SDMB lately? Between harveyc's contribution, blondebear's "I dare you union supporters to endorse vandalism" (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=403169) thread, Don26's "Saddam was an SOB and that justified the Iraq war" (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=403181) thread, and magellan01's "Illegal immigrants ARE TOO evil!" (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=403251) thread, I feel like we're suddenly drowning in Freeper refugees.

Or is this simply fallout from Keith Ellison's use of the Koran? ;)

[Bryan Ekers]

Every single one of his posts has been to that one thread.

How does this guy rate a pitting? His influence on the SDMB is practically nil.

[Voyager]

He's a uniter, not a divider. Every one in that thread, left or right, thinks he's a moron. That's quite an accomplishment.

[EddyTeddyFreddy]

:eek:

Just, please, just so long as he doesn't get to be a decider around here!

:eek:

[Sevastopol]

Over 140 replies in the thread concerned. That's quite an accomplishment for a first time poster.

Meantime, our friend harveyc will be Overjoyed to return to the Democratic fold. (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/10/washington/10capitol.html?hp&ex=1168491600&en=ce88834dd053e588&ei=5094&partner=homepage) In both chambers, Democrats made clear that the resolutions — which would do nothing in practical terms to block Mr. Bush’s intention to increase the United States military presence in Iraq — would be the minimum steps they would pursue. They did not rule out eventually considering more muscular responses, like seeking to cap the number of troops being deployed to Iraq or limiting financing for the war — steps that could provoke a Constitutional and political showdown over the president’s power to wage war.
(my emphasis)...

The decision to pursue a confrontation with the White House was a turning point for Democrats, who have struggled with how to take on Mr. Bush’s war policy without being perceived as undermining the military or risking criticism as defeatists....

“We have to be very careful about blocking funding for any troops because we don’t want to leave our troops short-changed,” said Senator Mary L. Landrieu, Democrat of Louisiana. Although this will give some comfort to disappointed democrat harveyc, doubtless his greatest comfort will come from the knowledge that the Democratic leadership is loathe to take action that might feed a perception that they were inconsiderate or hostile to the military.

[JohnT]

The plural of anecdote is not data, but at other MB's I frequent, I've noticed the same thing re: complaints about the Dems "backsliding"/"not moving fast enough"/etc... some of them by long-standing members of the board whom are definitely not trolls.

I can't speak for harveyc, of course, but this meme works on both sides... the same thing happened when the Repubs took Congress in 1994, the same thing happens when a new President takes over, etc.

[Merijeek]

It's kind of like being on a really crappy merry-go-round.

Or an Infocom game with a bad parser.

-Joe

[Trion]

Wait a second. Am I supposed to be upset because the Democrats haven't stood up to Bush like they promised? Or because they aren't working in unity (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=403130) with the Republicans like they promised? I forget.

[Captain Amazing]

Wait a second. Am I supposed to be upset because the Democrats haven't stood up to Bush like they promised? Or because they aren't working in unity (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=403130) with the Republicans like they promised? I forget.

You should be upset because the Democrats aren't working with Bush to stop the Bush agenda. Write your congressman and demand that he enmgage in bipartisan efforts to stop the Republicans.

[Cervaise]

You should be upset because the Democrats aren't working with Bush to stop the Bush agenda. Write your congressman and demand that he enmgage in bipartisan efforts to stop the Republicans.:D

This is so insane, I can imagine somebody actually trying to assert it.

[Wolfian]

...it's a bit like trying to argue with a brick wall with embedded speakers playing a taped loop.
That's beautiful. I'm totally using that IRL.

[The King of Soup]

....Write your congressman and demand that he engage in bipartisan efforts to stop the Republicans.
And thus was born H.R.397: The Comelier, More Supple Congressional Page Act of 2007.
I'll admit it's a cheap shot up front. But the joke wouldn't stay buried.

[Liberal]

Is it me, or is there a recent influx of brick-headed righties to the SDMB lately? ... Or is this simply fallout from Keith Ellison's use of the Koran? ;)It might be surprising how many conservative Muslims there are. It could be my limited experience, but I haven't seen many Islamic gay rights advocates, for example.

[Captain Carrot]

We have two morons in the same thread, but they won't argue with each other.

harveyc and Bugles are both fucking idiots, and we have to deal with their idiocy separately, instead of them taking each other out.

[Polycarp]

It might be surprising how many conservative Muslims there are. It could be my limited experience, but I haven't seen many Islamic gay rights advocates, for example.

Here you go. (http://www.al-bab.com/arab/background/gay.htm) :)

[Little Nemo]

It's a twofer for the conservatives. First, you accuse your opponents of all kinds of insane plans that they never made. Second, you condemn them for hypocrisy in not carrying out those plans. You get to discredit them twice that way. Expect to see the following in upcoming weeks:

Why haven't the Democrats enacted their promised plan to tax widows and orphans?
Why haven't the Democrats made Christianity illegal like they said they were going to?
What's the delay on the Democrats made abortions mandatory like they promised they would?
Why haven't the Democrats acted on their plans to make American troops fight with blank ammunition?
When is the Democrat Congress going to introduce the teaching of Darwinian Lesbian Wicca Socialism into pre-schools like they've always wanted to?

[Sevastopol]

But seriously our friend harvey is a bellweather telling us that the GOP strategy is to get in early and attack everything about the Democrats whenever it appears, any way you can, facts be damned.

Can't believe it will last though. Still, godspeed.

[Brainiac4]

Reading the thread is kind of a painful experience, as the deja vu sets in with both bugles and harveyc (haven't I read this post before?, you ask yourself). I find it telling that harveyc has yet to respond to the direct question asked regarding his political affiliation.

I'm not sure if he's a young conservative, a very young liberal or a paid shill for some conservative astroturfing effort, but I'm leaning towards door #3.

[jayjay]

I'm telling you all, "Democrat Congress" = not-liberal, or even moderate. It's been a constant meme used by the Republicans for a couple of years now, because they want to dissociate the Democrats with such principles as democracy as much as possible.

[Liberal]

Here you go. (http://www.al-bab.com/arab/background/gay.htm) :)Jews for Jesus have a website, too. But there really aren't that many of them.

[David Simmons]

It's a twofer for the conservatives. First, you accuse your opponents of all kinds of insane plans that they never made. Second, you condemn them for hypocrisy in not carrying out those plans. You get to discredit them twice that way. Expect to see the following in upcoming weeks:

Why haven't the Democrats enacted their promised plan to tax widows and orphans?
Why haven't the Democrats made Christianity illegal like they said they were going to?
What's the delay on the Democrats made abortions mandatory like they promised they would?
Why haven't the Democrats acted on their plans to make American troops fight with blank ammunition?
When is the Democrat Congress going to introduce the teaching of Darwinian Lesbian Wicca Socialism into pre-schools like they've always wanted to?Not to mention the delay in starting a campaign to get everyone to burn a flag once a month.