Wait...what the fuck? [RSSchen thread closing]

[Equipoise]

Last night before I went to bed I posted in the bitch (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=415625&page=1&pp=40) thread. I just logged on and find that my post (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8448331&postcount=497) might have gotten the thread closed but not before I was being called a "dumbass" and lambasted.

Why? I didn't do anything that Rubystreak and several others hadn't already done before me, which was take something that RSSchen / MizGrand (a name change, ha, good one) had written in a previous thread and post it in that thread. It was a quote. That SHE wrote. Referencing yet ANOTHER thread that she posted in (which I didn't go to the trouble of searching for).

Nowhere in my post did I "threaten" to out her. Yet I was called a "dumbass" and got my post reported? For what?? Dozens of other posts went far beyond my post, and they didn't get called dumbasses or get their posts reported. Hell, other people had already said that they knew RSSchen / MizGrand's name, address, telephone number, husband's initial and cop boyfriend's address! They couldn't have been that hard to find.

I just want to clear my name in this particular matter. SHE posted about how her husband had a live-in relationship with a popular singer's sister. It was another example of pointing out what kind of stupid loudmouth she was, posting personal information all over the Dope. I never said I wanted to use that information to out her! If people read it that way, I apologise profusely.

I have no intention of contacting Green Day people or in any other way doing anything to out the cheater. Nothing could be further from my mind. Not that I don't think she deserves it, but a) it's not my place, b) I'm not even slueth enough or care enough to find out the information that others easily found (I never even went to look at her Flickr page), and c) I don't intend to actively hurt another human being (not her, but her husband).

I don't know why the thread got closed, but if my post had anything to do with it, again, I'm sorry (to everyone except cuntswallop).

[Qadgop the Mercotan]

The cited thread, while containing some useful insight and suggestions along with justifiable anger, was generally also filled with so much over the top behavior from multiple directions as to render a lot of the actions in it about as personal as a random punch thrown in a street brawl. Or a random kiss in a 37 person orgy.

[lisacurl]

That thread closing is a really good example of the saying, "closing the barn door after the horses have stampeded."

There are others who watch and discuss this board, after all.

[Pedro]

I don't get it either why your post was egregious compared to the others who hinted at her identity.

[Ogre]

Yeah, I agree, Equipoise. I could understand if you specifically outed RSSchen, but you didn't. You pointed out that it would be easy to track her down, thereby pointing out that she isn't nearly as clever as she thinks she is. Totally different.

[Giraffe]

Well, I will note that your post did run contrary to my instructions (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8442414&postcount=281) to people not to dig up information from RSSchen's past posts which could assist in identifying her (even if the person posting it had no intention of identifying her themselves):
Guys, don't do this. Collecting personal information from other threads and/or offering suggestions to potential Internet detectives on how to track someone down in real life is simply not cool. Any more posts along these lines by anyone will results in warnings and an overuse of the :mad: smiley.I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you just missed my post since the thread was moving quickly and your intentions were obviously not malevolent, but your post could have easily drawn a warning. Be glad we just decided to close the whole trainwreck instead. (And for what it's worth, the thread was closed for being a big fat trainwreck, not because of your post.)

[Giraffe]

I edited the thread title to be more descriptive, for people who don't want to read about this any more.

[lowbrass]

Haven't you done enough damage already, Equipoise? I'm not quoting your post, and I can't understand why it wasn't deleted, but the other people simply warned her that she was not anonymous, and that it's not hard to find personal info about people. YOU actually took the step of searching ANOTHER THREAD to find personal information about someone and POSTED it in the thread. You really don't see how that's crossing a line?

And don't say "anyone could have done that", because they didn't and you did. I think you're lucky you didn't get banned.

[Cervaise]

And don't say "anyone could have done that", because they didn'tYour reading comprehension skills need some work. Actually, I should say, they need to exist. People, lots of people, were doing EXACTLY FUCKING THAT all through the thread. RSSchen's entire posting history was being combed through and referenced in point-by-point detail.

I don't know what thread you were looking at, but it couldn't have been that one.

Equipoise did nothing that others weren't doing, and you're an idiot for asserting otherwise.

[Uvula Donor]

I think you're lucky you didn't get banned.
I think you're lucky you haven't shit your pants with righteous indignation.

Equipoise did nothing in that message but [sharply] point out to RSSchen the marks she was making by rubbing her ass all over the internet.

A lot of ban-happy fuckheads around here lately.

[lowbrass]

Your reading comprehension skills need some work. Actually, I should say, they need to exist. People, lots of people, were doing EXACTLY FUCKING THAT all through the thread. RSSchen's entire posting history was being combed through and referenced in point-by-point detail.

I don't know what thread you were looking at, but it couldn't have been that one.

Equipoise did nothing that others weren't doing, and you're an idiot for asserting otherwise.
If other people did the same thing, then they were wrong as well. I don't get it, are you saying "He did it too" is a justification for doing something fucked-up?

I reserve the same ire for anyone else who did the same thing. It was a long thread, so I certainly could have missed it. I did see other posts that warned in a general way and did not actually search other threads for personal info.

[lowbrass]

I think you're lucky you haven't shit your pants with righteous indignation.

Equipoise did nothing in that message but [sharply] point out to RSSchen the marks she was making by rubbing her ass all over the internet.

Bullshit.

A lot of ban-happy fuckheads around here lately.
Fuck you. It's a sad fucking day when you assholes start trying to out people who don't want to be outed; I don't care how much you hate them. Grow the fuck up.

[saoirse]

I think you're lucky you haven't shit your pants with righteous indignation.

Oh, this is rich.

[Cat Whisperer]

<snip>
A lot of ban-happy fuckheads around here lately.
Hey, I resemble that remark! (But I'm working on it. :D )

[Uvula Donor]

Fuck you. It's a sad fucking day when you assholes start trying to out people who don't want to be outed; I don't care how much you hate them. Grow the fuck up.

No, fuck you. I don't hate anyone, and no one was outing RSSchen. Take Cervaise's advice and read for comprehension, you microcephalic abortion.

[Ludovic]

Silly member: only Mods are allowed to research and report personal information.

[lowbrass]

No, fuck you. I don't hate anyone, and no one was outing RSSchen. Take Cervaise's advice and read for comprehension, you microcephalic abortion.
You can scour the thesaurus for oh-so-witty names to call me all you like, but what you're not getting is that this person searched another thread for personal info about someone and then posted it, with the intention of demonstrating: "See, here's how someone could find out who you are". That was totally unneccesary as well as fucked-up. What is it you're not understanding about the situation?

[Quiddity Glomfuster]

People started doing it and Giraffe posted the warning, which other people clearly didn't read because they continued doing it. So the wah wah about 'well she did it' is bullhooey.

It was really over the top, IMHO. Fine, be self-righteous. Fine, be all over someone, but I thought this was much too much.

There are others who watch and discuss this board, after all.

I discovered that. And can scarcely imagine a more pathetic pastime.

[lowbrass]

People started doing it and Giraffe posted the warning, which other people clearly didn't read because they continued doing it. So the wah wah about 'well she did it' is bullhooey.

It was really over the top, IMHO. Fine, be self-righteous. Fine, be all over someone, but I thought this was much too much.

Thank you. Sanity prevails.

[Starving Artist]

Thank you. Sanity prevails.You might be a tad premature on that one. ;)

[Gangster Octopus]

Let me just say that I feel a little like Lieutenant Kilgore from Apocalypse Now who really is almost ignorant of the chaos going on around him. All I want to do is surf.

[lowbrass]

You might be a tad premature on that one. ;)
Well I can dream...

[Eutychus]

Let me just say that I feel a little like Lieutenant Kilgore from Apocalypse Now who really is almost ignorant of the chaos going on around him. All I want to do is surf.

Cecil don't surf!

[Equipoise]

Well, I will note that your post did run contrary to my instructions (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8442414&postcount=281) to people not to dig up information from RSSchen's past posts which could assist in identifying her (even if the person posting it had no intention of identifying her themselves):
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you just missed my post since the thread was moving quickly and your intentions were obviously not malevolent, but your post could have easily drawn a warning. I am sorry. There were several posts in the middleish that I ended up skimming because I was in a hurry. When I came back I started a couple of pages later. I went back, but obviously not far enough.

(And for what it's worth, the thread was closed for being a big fat trainwreck, not because of your post.)That's good to know. Thank you.


Btw, the "info" I posted was linked two posts above mine. I hardly went searching for it. It was the first time in the whole thread that I actually bothered to click on a link to one of RSSchen / MizGrand's old posts. Until then I'd stayed a lurker, the way I usually am in 99% of personal revelation threads. Damn, to read in silence for days, just shaking my head in disbelief, then letting that one post finally draw me out, what was I thinking? People are right, I was a dumbass to get involved in the skanky whore's life and thread. I mainly wanted to express that I felt bad for her kids and husband, and shouldn't have quoted her own disgusting words back to her.

That thread was useful though. I'll bet a LOT of people are now going to think twice before they post a bunch of personal information here.

[Man With a Cat]

That thread was useful though. I'll bet a LOT of people are now going to think twice before they post a bunch of personal information here.

Only if they think that at a later date, they're going to announce that they have done, or plan to do something equally ignorant.

[Equipoise]

Only if they think that at a later date, they're going to announce that they have done, or plan to do something equally ignorant.I don't even know if they have to do that. I've long known that if you post personal information, people will use it against you if you get into a flame war with them. I once posted that I was a grandmother, and now a certain poster refers to me as "Granny" (which I consider demeaning, at least the way he uses it) whenever we clash. I wish I'd never mentioned my granddaughter here, even if I never engage him again (which I plan not to).

It amazes the hell out of me the really REALLY personal information people post about themselves on a daily basis in places like IMHO and MPSIMS. It boggles my mind.

[lowbrass]

Btw, the "info" I posted was linked two posts above mine. I hardly went searching for it. It was the first time in the whole thread that I actually bothered to click on a link to one of RSSchen / MizGrand's old posts. Until then I'd stayed a lurker, the way I usually am in 99% of personal revelation threads. Damn, to read in silence for days, just shaking my head in disbelief, then letting that one post finally draw me out, what was I thinking? People are right, I was a dumbass to get involved in the skanky whore's life and thread. I mainly wanted to express that I felt bad for her kids and husband, and shouldn't have quoted her own disgusting words back to her.

But they didn't link to those threads for the purpose of showing personal information about the OP. You did. You weren't a dumbass for getting involved in the thread; you were a dumbass for stirring up shit about this person's IRL identity.

[saoirse]

But they didn't link to those threads for the purpose of showing personal information about the OP. You did. You weren't a dumbass for getting involved in the thread; you were a dumbass for stirring up shit about this person's IRL identity.

And also suggesting ways to get in contact with a poster's spouse's ex-girlfriend.

[Starving Artist]

I once posted that I was a grandmother, and now a certain poster refers to me as "Granny" (which I consider demeaning, at least the way he uses it) whenever we clash. You did a tad more than that. You accused me of "not giving a shit" about your granddaughter's safety post 9/11 because I supported the war. You followed that brilliant observation by saying, in closing, "Fuck you!" Now, given that I am not accustomed to grandmothers talking this way (and to anyone familiar with your hotheadedness and posting style, this is obviously just the tip of the iceberg), it seemed ironic that such a hotheaded, foulmouthed person as you would couch herself in grandmotherly concern, hence the epithet Granny. It's a nickname intended to parody the opposite...sort of like calling a fat man "Slim", dontcha know? So when I call you Granny, it's intended to highlight the incongruity between your verbal behavior and that which most people tend to think of when they think of a grandmotherly person.

And not only that, but contrary to your position here, you continued to 'engage' me angrily and profanely several other times after that episode.

So you see, the reality of the situation shows you to be considerably more culpable in your own plight than your words here would suggest.

To people who you find to be on the wrong side of any given issue, you can be an extraordinarily vulgar, hotheaded, spiteful and mean-spirited person. There is truly no one on this board I find as distasteful as you. Still, it doesn't seem right to make someone wish they'd never mentioned their granddaughter, so henceforth I won't call you Granny anymore as I'm sure other epithets will spring readily to mind.

Cheers, you old bat.

[Gukumatz]

You did a tad more than that. You accused me of "not giving a shit" about your granddaughter's safety post 9/11 because I supported the war. You followed that brilliant observation by saying, in closing, "Fuck you!" Now, given that I am not accustomed to grandmothers talking this way (and to anyone familiar with your hotheadedness and posting style, this is obviously just the tip of the iceberg), it seemed ironic that such a hotheaded, foulmouthed person as you would couch herself in grandmotherly concern, hence the epithet Granny. It's a nickname intended to parody the opposite...sort of like calling a fat man "Slim", dontcha know? So when I call you Granny, it's intended to highlight the incongruity between your verbal behavior and that which most people tend to think of when they think of a grandmotherly person.

And not only that, but contrary to your position here, you continued to 'engage' me angrily and profanely several other times after that episode.

So you see, the reality of the situation shows you to be considerably more culpable in your own plight than your words here would suggest.

To people who you find to be on the wrong side of any given issue, you can be an extraordinarily vulgar, hotheaded, spiteful and mean-spirited person. There is truly no one on this board I find as distasteful as you. Still, it doesn't seem right to make someone wish they'd never mentioned their granddaughter, so henceforth I won't call you Granny anymore as I'm sure other epithets will spring readily to mind.

Cheers, you old bat.

Dude.

She was talking about the way people remember personal details people let lie around on the forums, not summarizing your quarrel. Most people probably wouldn't have read anything into it, the least probable being wanting to get back into the fray. You're being a bit trigger happy here.

[Cervaise]

I'll bet a LOT of people are now going to think twice before they post a bunch of personal information here.I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I shave my balls. My butthole, however, is utensil free.

[Vinyl Turnip]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I shave my balls. My butthole, however, is utensil free.

I've got X-rays that prove otherwise.

[lowbrass]

I know this isn't GQ, but what's the best way to clean vomit off a keyboard?

[Starving Artist]

You're being a bit trigger happy here.Nah...just setting the record straight. Had she not made it seem that I tagged her with that nickname upon the mere mention of her granddaughter, I probably would have let it drop.

Plus, it really hadn't been my intention to make her regret having mentioned her granddaughter on this board (and frankly, I would never have thought she'd be so sensitive) so I wanted to let her know I'd knock it off, but I felt a certain amount of exposition was in order first.

[Vinyl Turnip]

I know this isn't GQ, but what's the best way to clean vomit off a keyboard?

Nothing beats the tongue, I say. And one of those thin coffee-stirring straws is really handy for sucking out the runoff between keys.

[Rubystreak]

Why? I didn't do anything that Rubystreak and several others hadn't already done before me, which was take something that RSSchen / MizGrand (a name change, ha, good one) had written in a previous thread and post it in that thread.

I linked to some posts to rebutt some things RSSchen was trying to lie about: her drug use, the number of people she slept with, her DUI record. I never linked to threads with identifying details about her ID with which she could be tracked. I warned her that people probably could find her with what she already put out there, which I believe is true. I certainy did not threaten her, or say I was going to call up Green Day, or whatever you insinuated you might do.

Is it against the rules to link to other threads a person posted in, in general? Or is it just a problem when you're trying to out a person's real life ID? I did the former but not the latter, so I don't think I deserve being called out by you in your own defense, as in "why did I get chastised and not Rubystreak?" Because we used our links for different purposes, that's why. And thanks so much for trying to get your shit on me. :rolleyes:

[lowbrass]

Don't sweat it, Ruby. They're just being deliberately obtuse. He knows exactly what he did, and why it's different than what you did.

[Queen Tonya]

Sorry, but she put it out there to begin with, quibbling over who links to what and when is meaningless.

[woodstockbirdybird]

Sorry, but she put it out there to begin with, quibbling over who links to what and when is meaningless.

Exactly. All this shit is available for anyone with internet access to view, and any 5th grader could put the pieces together if they had a mind to. She's the dumb-ass, not equipose. Stop being such a whiny bitch, lowbrass.

[Cat Whisperer]

Sorry, but she put it out there to begin with, quibbling over who links to what and when is meaningless.
That's what I've been thinking. No one forced her to post anything to start with, and you have to be living in a cave to not have heard how easy it is to get information off of the internet. This is only an issue because our host of our server here, The Chicago Reader, has concerns about litigation.

[Rubystreak]

OK, well, is there a line here that has been crossed, or isn't there? I'd like a Mod to weigh in for clarification. If someone posts a plethora of personal information on the Dope, and people just repost it all in one thread, is that inherently wrong and a violation of the rules? I took from Giraffe's warning that it was, though I can see the POV of other posters here, that if it's all out there, why is it wrong to link to it? How could RSSchen sue the Dope if she voluntarily posted all this personal info here and people just spat it back at her? IOW, the Chicago Reader's alleged legal concerns here seem like a non-issue, though maybe some lawyer-type person can answer that definitively.

Where the line got crossed, I think, was the implied threats, like contacting her husband's ex as a way to rat her out, or someone (can't remember who) saying he already had figured out her address and phone # based on info from her posts, and he could drop a dime at any time if he wanted to. Yeah, I was hard on her, on topics of debate and questions about things she said. I'm not a fan of people who post a lot of bullshit which is contradicted in their own posting history. Taking it into the real world is too far, and I'm on record as saying the same thing in other threads on other topics.

[Caridwen]

That's what I've been thinking. No one forced her to post anything to start with, and you have to be living in a cave to not have heard how easy it is to get information off of the internet. This is only an issue because our host of our server here, The Chicago Reader, has concerns about litigation.

I don't think everyone is aware of how easy it is to find out information about people on a messageboard and how much information you can get. I didn't realize it until I had a friend that was stalked in person by some wacky person on a message board and she had to get the police involved. Some people are extremely good at finding out information about people. There was an argument going on at another board and a person posted links to the other person's police report. The person denied it was their report but with enough information, anything's possible.

The point was that she was told she should change her name and she did. It was sort of counterproductive for you to start a thread with her old and new username in it. If she were smart, she'd contact the mods privately and have it changed again.

[yojimbo]

RSSchen is what she is. She posted her shit here and opened herself to a lot of well deserved bile. That's all fair enough, the name of the game if you will. Post what you will and live with the consequences. I always assumed the consequences happen to the username and the reputation of that name.

This bollocks however

You know, out of idle curiousity I googled her user name and found a flickr page where it appears she has posted pics of herself, her two boys, her silver VW beetle and her cat. If shes on the house, it would be a matter of hunting for real estate transactions in 1997 involving a Rhonda in hayward price range $140K-$160K One minute of Googling and I found out lots of stuff about Holly Armstrong, and access to lots of people who know her and can probably easily contact her. And ask her about her old boyfriends. Especially the one whose skanky wife says that he says Holly fucked him over. I don't know her, but she might well find this thread (and all the other threads) very very interesting. is beyond the pale IMO.

There are implied treats in every one of those posts. If you want to do your amateur sleuthing keep it to email. This board isn't about that, it never has been, even when an admin* pulled the real life shit it was still wrong.

There was a huge amount of self righteous shite in that thread and a lot of transference/projection. There was also a large amount of well thought out advise and criticism.

Slag her off for what she said on the board but once you even hint at RL and your willingness to bring it there you deserve a slap down.

*If you don't know what I'm talking about then tough shit as I'm certainly not going into that again.

[kidchameleon]

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you just missed my post since the thread was moving quickly and your intentions were obviously not malevolent, but your post could have easily drawn a warning. Be glad we just decided to close the whole trainwreck instead. (And for what it's worth, the thread was closed for being a big fat trainwreck, not because of your post.)

I, for one, am severely disappointed that there was no over use of the :mad: smily.

[Caridwen]

Rubystreak I don't think you did anything wrong. I brought up stuff she posted in the past too.

I think personal information that you find out about a person is crossing the line.

[Lionne]

Nothing beats the tongue, I say. And one of those thin coffee-stirring straws is really handy for sucking out the runoff between keys.
Blllerrghgh! Ewwww...

Good one! It's rare I get a physical reaction to this type of post.

[mhendo]

Well, I will note that your post did run contrary to my instructions (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8442414&postcount=281) to people not to dig up information from RSSchen's past posts which could assist in identifying her.Sorry, but this is a bullshit instruction. Is there now to be a rule about how much of a person's past posting history on these boards can be linked?

I understand if your instruction asked people not to bring to this board information they found elsewhere on the internet. But to ask people not to link to information that a member has posted right here on the SDMB is the height of ridiculousness.

If people trawled back through my 10,000-odd posts, i'm sure they could find enough information about me to identify my real name, where i live, what i do, and a whole bunch of other stuff. And you know what? I don't care. I've got nothing i particularly want to hide from anyone on here, and i've got nothing to hide from my in-real-life friends and family that any SDMB member could out me for.

If i didn't want people on this board to be able to identify me in real life, i would have taken steps to prevent that. I wouldn't have put my location in the location field; i wouldn't have posted a picture of myself in some thread two years ago; i wouldn't have told people what i do or what university i attend; i wouldn't have linked to my photo website that contains my real name; i wouldn't have an email address with my real name in my profile; and i certainly wouldn't have met members off the boards.

Some members do go out of their way to keep this stuff secret, and that's perfectly fine. It's understandable that some people might prefer to remain anonymous. But once you post something about yourself on here, then that should be fair game, as far as discussions on this message board go. Bans on dredging up personal information from past posts are not only pointless (people can still do it, even if they don't post the information to a new thread), but they imply that parts of this board's own history is off limits in board discussions.

I never had any interest in finding out anyone's real identity, and certainly never even contemplated "outing" someone to their real-life friends or family for something they confessed to on this board. And i think such behavior would be wrong. But this board has always had a policy that members should think before posting personal information, and that the board would not go about shielding people who post too much of it (except personal addresses and phone numbers) from the consequences of their own stupidity. And i think that's a good policy.

[Quiddity Glomfuster]

What most of you seem to be forgetting is that not everybody can do searches on SDMB. Guests can't even do searches. So the only way to find all the information she has posted here is to become a member. Or to click on the links you all so 'thoughtfully' provided to the information that she's posted before.

[Rubystreak]

What most of you seem to be forgetting is that not everybody can do searches on SDMB. Guests can't even do searches. So the only way to find all the information she has posted here is to become a member. Or to click on the links you all so 'thoughtfully' provided to the information that she's posted before.

Do you really think her husband wouldn't pony up the $15 to do a search if he somehow knew to look here?

As for clicking on the links to stuff she posted on the SDMB, it just puts the info all in one place, in a thread that disappears from non-member searchability soon enough. I don't think there's anything wrong with compiling what a person posts here of her own free will. That's called consequences, which accrue from bad judgment. Stop wagging your finger in the faces of people who were calling her on shit she posted here. That isn't agaisnt the rules, I don't think, and if it is, it shouldn't be.

Now, people posting info from other sources, stuff that she didn't post here, that they got from sleuthing on the Net? Not really OK, and I could see that being a violation of board rules resulting in official sanction. Nor is threatening her with RL action and interference in her life. But there is a difference between posting links to other SDMB threads and posting links to personal info posted elsewhere. Please make a distinction when scolding and guilt-tripping others.

[kidchameleon]

Do you really think her husband wouldn't pony up the $15 to do a search if he somehow knew to look here?


Can you imagine the circus that would ensue if he posted a 'sponser my membership' thread so he could go a-searching?

[Rubystreak]

Can you imagine the circus that would ensue if he posted a 'sponser my membership' thread so he could go a-searching?

Fucking hilarious. You are a sicko. :D

[yojimbo]

I never had any interest in finding out anyone's real identity, and certainly never even contemplated "outing" someone to their real-life friends or family for something they confessed to on this board. And i think such behavior would be wrong. But this board has always had a policy that members should think before posting personal information, and that the board would not go about shielding people who post too much of it (except personal addresses and phone numbers) from the consequences of their own stupidity. And i think that's a good policy.
Like you I couldn't care less about someone searching my posting history, hell, a fair few of my RL friends and bosses actually post/posted on this board because I brought it to there attention. This case however started to look like a few people were going to use the board as a medium to organise their searching for RL info f shes on the house, it would be a matter of hunting for real estate transactions in 1997 involving a Rhonda in hayward price range $140K-$160K One minute of Googling and I found out lots of stuff about Holly Armstrong, and access to lots of people who know her and can probably easily contact her. And ask her about her old boyfriends. Especially the one whose skanky wife says that he says Holly fucked him over. I don't know her, but she might well find this thread (and all the other threads) very very interesting. That shit isn't about calling someone on what they said on the board and keeping it there. They're implied threats, and that is why the thread was closed IMO.

[Miller]

Sorry, but this is a bullshit instruction. Is there now to be a rule about how much of a person's past posting history on these boards can be linked?

I understand if your instruction asked people not to bring to this board information they found elsewhere on the internet. But to ask people not to link to information that a member has posted right here on the SDMB is the height of ridiculousness.

I think the problem is that posts like Equipose's, intentionally or not, were encouraging people to go out and stir up real life shit against other posters, and maybe bring it back here. There are people who read this board just to do crap like that. You remember when that whole Number Six/Kaitlyn debacle blew up? The poster who exposed that came from the Snarkboards, and while he only posted to things Number Six had said on the board, he did it with the express purpose of creating as big a shit storm as he could. (He was also a sock, IIRC, but that's neither here nor there.) I think the mods were just moving to prevent a repeat of that. Equipose certainly didn't intend to stir shit up, but she was giving pretty good instructions and ideas on how someone else could do it, and that's why the mods stepped in and shut it down before it could go any farther in that direction. Probably too little, too late, but what can you do?

Obviously, there's not going to be a "new rule" about anything, here. What are the odds of a situation like this ever coming up again? It's simply a case of the mods trying to prevent an already ugly situation from becoming exponentially uglier, and from spilling over into real life.

[Klaatu]

I am the one that called Equipoise a dumbass, and would like to apologize for that.

I got caught up in the emotional bullshit of that thread. I usually don't get that emotionally involved in Pit threads, and consider the flaming more entertainment. This time I did.

I am a bit embarrassed for getting that twisted up in that trainwreck. And I was wrong to castigate Equipoise for doing nothing more than pointing out the possibilities that someone who posts x amount of personal info could get outed.

Again, Equipoise, my apologies.

ETA: I didn't report your post, BTW, I don't believe in post reporting.

[mhendo]

Miller and yojimbo, i get what you're saying, and i agree that some people did give the impression that they might actually go further than making threats, and might actually start doing some private eye work in order to expose the poster in question. And i also agree that we probably want to discourage that sort of thing.

My point, i guess, is that the Mods' actions neither prevented any of this, nor did anything to correct the problem, and so, like many other half-assed mod/admin decisions, ended up being little more than window dressing.

After all, if someone were the sort of person who really wanted to find out those types of personal details from past posting history, i'm sure they would have known how to do it without Equipoise's post, and without all those other similar posts. Hell, i remember thinking, before anyone actually raised it in the thread, that finding out the poster's identity probably wouldn't be very hard for a determined person.

Also, while the mods shut down the thread to discourage such posts, the posts that were already made remain on the server, so the damage that they were (allegedly) doing is still there for any interested person to see. I don't want the threads, or the offending posts, deleted, but if preventing this sort of thread-trawling for previously-posted information were truly the intention, then that would be the logical solution.

And, finally, i guess i remain adamant that it's our own responsibility, individually, to safeguard our own personal information to the extent that we feel is appropriate. Once i post something here, i know it's here for good, and if i'm worried that something i post might come back to haunt me in the future, then i won't post it. The Board rules explicitly warn people about posting too much personal information, and i think that the warning, combined with people's own common sense, should be enough, without warnings about posting material that is accessible via the SDMB's own search engine.

Just MHO.

[Cat Whisperer]

<snip> IOW, the Chicago Reader's alleged legal concerns here seem like a non-issue, though maybe some lawyer-type person can answer that definitively. <snip>.
In my opinion, the reason we are requested to not post personal information here, and why the warnings against posting it like those handed out in the recent trainwreck are not to protect posters from harm, but to protect The Chicago Reader from lawsuits if posters are harmed.

[Autolycus]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I shave my balls. My butthole, however, is utensil free.

I resemble that remark!

I mean.... fuck... :smack:

[lowbrass]

Exactly. All this shit is available for anyone with internet access to view, and any 5th grader could put the pieces together if they had a mind to. She's the dumb-ass, not equipose. Stop being such a whiny bitch, lowbrass.
And THAT'S exactly the argument I was anticipating. I knew someone would say it's o.k. because "anyone could do it". Well "anyone" didn't do it, Equipoise (and apparently others) did. And I think that's fucked-up. And if you think calling me names is going to bother me, you obviously don't know me.

In my opinion, giving hints as to how someone could invade another member's privacy is crossing a line. If all you've got is the "anyone could do it" argument (oldest and weakest argument in the book), and name-calling, I'm not impressed.

[lowbrass]

But there is a difference between posting links to other SDMB threads and posting links to personal info posted elsewhere.
Why is there a difference? What exactly is the difference between:

"Here is some personal info I got from another thread which could be used to find this person's identity, and here is an explanation of how one might go about doing so."

and...

"Here is some personal info I googled which could be used to find this person's identity, and here is an explanation of how one might go about doing so."

Please explain how the first is perfectly o.k. in your mind but the second is not. :confused:

[lowbrass]

Slag her off for what she said on the board but once you even hint at RL and your willingness to bring it there you deserve a slap down.

Exactly.

[Boo Boo Foo]

Well, for what it's worth, you have to give RSSchen credit where it's due. It was a trainwreck of monumental proportions. Arguably, it set a new high water mark for this messageboard. (Or a new low if you're feeling less generous than myself!)

However, with all due respect to the moderators, I would point out that my first post in that trainwreck was on Page 6, and in that post I expressly recommended to RSSchen that she should walk away from the thread, right then and there, and FURTHER, that she should make a request to the moderators to lock the thread. Just 3 posts later, the author of the thread also agreed that he had no problem with the thread being locked if that's what RSSChen wanted.

Moreover, my suggestion on Page 6 in the trainwreck came along BEFORE anyone started pointing out to RSSchen how easy it would be for cyber-sleuths to track her down and send a copy of the thread to her husband. All of it could have been circumvented if RSSChen wasn't the attention addict that she is.

Do you think RSSchen contemplated my suggestion? For even a nanosecond? That she should request the thread be locked at the halfway point? NO WAY! She was revelling in the attention. She was loving it. She did absolutely everything in her power to go out of her way to pour more 130 octane fuel on the fire. She actually increased her posting rate. She started insulting other posters. It was like watching someone taking careful aim at their foot with a bazooka.

At some point in life, you gotta call things for what they are. That trainwreck was the most perfect case of self-destructive behaviour I've ever seen on the internet - ever. RSSChen had her chance on Page 6. I told her to walk away. I told her to get the thread locked. She walked right back into the middle of a giant fire-ant nest with no clothes, covered in honey, and she started kicking all the fire-ants, screaming as loud as she could... "BRING IT ON!"

[lowbrass]

Second oldest argument in the book: "She was asking for it".

[Quiddity Glomfuster]

Do you think RSSchen contemplated my suggestion? For even a nanosecond?
Oh get over yourself. I thought it was a stupid suggestion. And, clearly closing and locking threads is pointless because right here is yet another thread about her and the whole situation. I suppose the mods have just given up entirely and hope the venom runs out at some point.

[faithfool]

In the very first thread in MPSIMS, I tried to let her know in a broad sense (IE: keystroke recorders) that it's not really that difficult, nor does anyone have to be tech savvy, to find out things one is looking for. Online or off. And it would appear, for all intents and purposes, that she only began to take this advice (or at least as far as we could see), with the name change request. Not advocating anything anyone has done here, but if that was the case, was the subtle nudging getting through to her on how dire her consequences could be? I'm truly curious. Because it certainly seems that right up until then, she was pretty adamant that she couldn't be found out. And since she was assuming that her husband wouldn't be intelligent enough (paraphrased) to find out, that was those posters' last ditch efforts to show that it was <thateasyandthatquick> to access tons of information and well, if no one's going to listen, here's the proof. See?

At least, that's how it came across to me. I read a metric shit-load of anger in some of those posts, but no actual threats.

[Boo Boo Foo]

Oh get over yourself. I thought it was a stupid suggestion. And, clearly closing and locking threads is pointless because right here is yet another thread about her and the whole situation. I suppose the mods have just given up entirely and hope the venom runs out at some point.Nice display of selective interpretation there. A less biased reader will note that I ALSO suggested to RSSchen that she should walk away from the thread and contribute no further - thereby not throwing more fuel on the fire.

Was that a stupid suggestion too?

As for this...

Second oldest argument in the book: "She was asking for it".I have a simple question... if RSSchen isn't responsible for the 12 page monster thread, then who on earth was? Personal responsibility (or lack thereof) is singularly the most outstanding reason people were geting pissed off with her for. Was she asking for it? Damn right she was! Who the fuck brags about being able to give an awesome blowjob AFTER being flamed for 6 pages and AFTER being told she should leave the thread and walk away?

It's a valid question. As she tried ever more to justify her dubious actions, if she didn't bring the shitfest on herself, then who did?

I don't buy it. If you're dumb enough to write dumbfuck shit on a messageboard which keeps those threads open forever, then you're dumb enough to have it come back and bite you on the ass. That's MY definition of personal responsibilty, and I really doubt anyone here is gonna change that anytime soon.

[padabe]

I don't buy it. If you're dumb enough to write dumbfuck shit on a messageboard which keeps those threads open forever, then you're dumb enough to have it come back and bite you on the ass. That's MY definition of personal responsibilty, and I really doubt anyone here is gonna change that anytime soon.
So if I leave my wallet sticking partway out of my hip pocket and you snatch it and begin stalking me based on the information you glean from my drivers license, it's entirely my fault? I'm fair game? You would bear no culpability whatsoever? 'Cuz I'm dumb?

That would be ignorant and careless on my part, but it wouldn't excuse your actions.

[Rilchiam]

More like, if you flip your wallet open in front of a group of people, count all the cash, display all the credit cards and show that they're unsigned, and give out your PIN, it's your fault.

And forget about the personal info for a moment. That was not always the focus of the discussion, and ISTR that RSS got her widdle feelings just as hurt by the people who told her she wasn't really in love. Suppose the IMHO thread had been started by a poster's sister who had confessed her affair with her soulmate, justified it because her husband was not bright and quick, and swore that she'd never get caught and her kids would never be harmed by this. Somehow, I don't think the replies would be praising the subject of the OP. So why should we mince words when someone tells that story in the first person?

[padabe]

More like, if you flip your wallet open in front of a group of people, count all the cash, display all the credit cards and show that they're unsigned, and give out your PIN, it's your fault.I'll take your word that this is a better analogy - I haven't read the threads in question, I'm just going on what I've read here.

Still, why not leave the gal alone? It still sounds like lowbrass' "She was asking for it."

[Hamadryad]

More like, if you flip your wallet open in front of a group of people, count all the cash, display all the credit cards and show that they're unsigned, and give out your PIN, it's your fault.Exactly. If you're wearing seductive clothes, you aren't "asking for" anything. If you're lying on the floor naked with your legs spread and a sign on your forehead that says "Open For Business," don't be surprised when you get FUCKED.

"Within the last 6 months I've serially abused prescription drugs, given advice on scamming a computer store, and bragged about lying to my family and sucking off a cop. DON'T JUDGE ME!!!"

[saoirse]

Exactly. If you're wearing seductive clothes, you aren't "asking for" anything. If you're lying on the floor naked with your legs spread and a sign on your forehead that says "Open For Business," don't be surprised when you get FUCKED.

"Within the last 6 months I've serially abused prescription drugs, given advice on scamming a computer store, and bragged about lying to my family and sucking off a cop. DON'T JUDGE ME!!!"

But nobody's saying it was wrong to judge her. What was wrong was threatening to contact people in real life, or being to cowardly to make that threat openly, and simply assemble the information for "someone" to use.

[Rilchiam]

It was kind of inevitable, though, after she repeatedly stated that her husband was too dumb to find any online evidence of her cheating. The gathering of info was (originally) a means of demonstrating that simply deleting her emails was not enough.

[Rubystreak]

Why is there a difference? What exactly is the difference between:

"Here is some personal info I got from another thread which could be used to find this person's identity, and here is an explanation of how one might go about doing so."

and...

"Here is some personal info I googled which could be used to find this person's identity, and here is an explanation of how one might go about doing so."

Please explain how the first is perfectly o.k. in your mind but the second is not. :confused:

I'm not defending the entirety of the first statement, which is "find personal info in other threads, post it with instructions as to how to use it to find person IRL." I don't advocate trying to find people IRL or taking any of this crap off-board. So I can't explain to you how the first is perfectly OK. I do think it's OK to link to past posts for the point of debate, and I still think so. What's not OK is the second part of that sentence, which is the intent to interfere with someone's life based on info gotten from this board.

Bottom line: whatever you say here should be fair game. Threatening people, actually or by implication, not OK. Are you unconfused now?

ETA: There's a difference between this idea of "assembling info for someone to find," and using past posts to debunk bullshit. I think it's ludicrous to make a blanket statement that no one should have been linking to RSSchen's past posts. I do think the intentions of most people who dug up her past shared info was not to threaten her but to show her how much info she'd posted and how naive she was being about her traceability. Those crossed a line by overzealousness, not spite, which is why the thread was locked. Those that were spiteful were indeed over the line, but it's not a black and white issue.

[Cat Whisperer]

I think you've pretty much summed it up, Ruby. I don't think there was anything wrong with pulling up her past posts, either. We do that kind of thing all the time here in debates and discussions; "Well, two years ago, you said you've always voted Republican, now you're claiming you've been a Democrat all your life. What gives?"

[Cervaise]

Who the fuck brags about being able to give an awesome blowjob AFTER being flamed for 6 pages and AFTER being told she should leave the thread and walk away?I can't speak for anyone else here, but an awesome blowjob would certainly put me in a much more forgiving mood.

[lowbrass]

I have a simple question... if RSSchen isn't responsible for the 12 page monster thread, then who on earth was? Personal responsibility (or lack thereof) is singularly the most outstanding reason people were geting pissed off with her for. Was she asking for it? Damn right she was! Who the fuck brags about being able to give an awesome blowjob AFTER being flamed for 6 pages and AFTER being told she should leave the thread and walk away?

Strawman. I don't think you're following the conversation here. I refuse to link to the post(s) in question, so that might be a source of confusion, but let me explain it in a nutshell: Lots of people criticized RSSchen, including myself. I think that's perfectly acceptable. I did not say that she wasn't reponsible for the 12-page thread.

But one or more people crossed a line when he (they) posted personal info about RSSchen gleaned from other threads, for the purpose of saying, "Look, here's how I could find out your real identity". I don't think anyone actually posted her real identity, but IMO the line is crossed as soon as you take one step towards that purpose. Does that clear it up for you?


It's a valid question. As she tried ever more to justify her dubious actions, if she didn't bring the shitfest on herself, then who did?

Again, this is totally off track. Not what we're talking about here. Not saying she didn't deserve to be criticized. That's completely off the mark.

[lowbrass]

I'm not defending the entirety of the first statement, which is "find personal info in other threads, post it with instructions as to how to use it to find person IRL." I don't advocate trying to find people IRL or taking any of this crap off-board. So I can't explain to you how the first is perfectly OK. I do think it's OK to link to past posts for the point of debate, and I still think so. What's not OK is the second part of that sentence, which is the intent to interfere with someone's life based on info gotten from this board.

Bottom line: whatever you say here should be fair game. Threatening people, actually or by implication, not OK. Are you unconfused now?

I'm confused as to why you imagine you and I are in disagreement.

ETA: There's a difference between this idea of "assembling info for someone to find," and using past posts to debunk bullshit.

Exactly the point I already made.

I think it's ludicrous to make a blanket statement that no one should have been linking to RSSchen's past posts.

I agree. Who is it you believe made such a statement? It certainly wasn't me.

I do think the intentions of most people who dug up her past shared info was not to threaten her but to show her how much info she'd posted and how naive she was being about her traceability. Those crossed a line by overzealousness, not spite, which is why the thread was locked. Those that were spiteful were indeed over the line, but it's not a black and white issue.
Again, where is it you imagine we disagree? We both agree that lines were crossed. Isn't that what I've been saying all along?

[lowbrass]

More like, if you flip your wallet open in front of a group of people, count all the cash, display all the credit cards and show that they're unsigned, and give out your PIN, it's your fault.

And you think that would justify stealing?

[Rubystreak]

I'm confused as to why you imagine you and I are in disagreement.

Then we're not. Excellent.

[lowbrass]

Then we're not. Excellent.
Woo hoo! :D

[lowbrass]

I think you've pretty much summed it up, Ruby. I don't think there was anything wrong with pulling up her past posts, either. We do that kind of thing all the time here in debates and discussions; "Well, two years ago, you said you've always voted Republican, now you're claiming you've been a Democrat all your life. What gives?"
Hmmm....just noticed you're repeating that strawman too.

Once more, the blanket idea that people shouldn't link to or post things from other threads is a strawman argument concocted by Equipoise. I never said that, and I'm not aware of anyone else who did. Could we please stop repeating it?

[Autolycus]

Fuck this thread, I want to know if RSSChen and her family are doing better or not. Seriously >_<

[Quiddity Glomfuster]

I have a simple question... if RSSchen isn't responsible for the 12 page monster thread, then who on earth was?
I dunno. Wanna ask the people posting in this monster-in-the-making?

[Lemur866]

I dunno. Wanna ask the people posting in this monster-in-the-making?

Then I take it this place...this Maple Street...is not unique?

[Boo Boo Foo]

I dunno. Wanna ask the people posting in this monster-in-the-making?Sure. I'm asking you the exact same question, straight back atchya. Last time I checked, you've posted more times in this thread than I have, so by extension, you don't get to claim any high moral ground.

But to be fair, lowbrass does have a valid point. My earlier post is arguably a strawman, insofar as we both criticised RSSchen for her manner in the original 12 page trainwreck. However, I read the moderator's request not to drag up personal ID info on Page 7 or Page 8, and I accepted the umpires decision and I DID NOT, at any stage condone, or partake in cyber sleuthing. It's inaccurate to join dots that don't need to be joined if you, or anyone, are suggesting that I behaved in a manner directly opposite the moderator's requests. All I'm saying is that RSSchen brought a lot of condemnation on herself, and she was asking for THAT. If people then ignored the moderator's requests regarding posting behaviour, I can't condone that, and it's something I didn't do.

[Cat Whisperer]

Hmmm....just noticed you're repeating that strawman too.

Once more, the blanket idea that people shouldn't link to or post things from other threads is a strawman argument concocted by Equipoise. I never said that, and I'm not aware of anyone else who did. Could we please stop repeating it?Oh - I went and re-read Giraffe's warning post, and he said to not link to things from other threads to track people down in real life, not to not do it, period. My bad.

[Rilchiam]

And you think that would justify stealing?

It would give the impression that the owner of the wallet did not care enough about her money to keep it secure. And if she further bragged that other people were not smart and quick enough to seize her cash, or remember her PIN and use it after securing the card, people might be inspired, not to steal from her themselves, but to show her how easily someone could steal from her. As in, "Look, I got $300 out of your wallet while you were refilling your drink. Here it is back, but don't you think you should be more discreet from now on?"

[sinjin]

Then I take it this place...this Maple Street...is not unique?There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture.....

[Equipoise]

I am the one that called Equipoise a dumbass, and would like to apologize for that.Thank you. Apology accepted. My apologies for making a posting that caused you to do that.

While I understand now how and why it was read that way, I never meant to imply that I was going to take steps to out her, or deliberately wanted to provide anyone else with a way to do it. It was yet another in a long line of posts wanting to get it through her skull "Look dipstick, you are NOT anonymous so quit saying you are just because you think your husband's an idiot regarding computers." It was wrong of me though, and I fully understand why people were slapping me upside the head for it. Again, I'm sorry.



Hmmm....just noticed you're repeating that strawman too.

Once more, the blanket idea that people shouldn't link to or post things from other threads is a strawman argument concocted by Equipoise. I never said that, and I'm not aware of anyone else who did. Could we please stop repeating it?I repeat my Subject line...what the? I didn't "concoct" anything. I asked a question in the OP of this thread because I was very confused about how my post was received in the other thread. Giraffe answered my question. I realized I had missed a posted warning and should NOT have posted what I did there. I admitted that I was in the wrong and apologised. No matter. I'm still a villian to Rubystreak, who I like very much (and I apologise for mentioning in my OP), am considered a lowlife by several people in this thread, and to top it off now I'm concocting strawmen? Yikes.

[Rubystreak]

I'm still a villian to Rubystreak, who I like very much (and I apologise for mentioning in my OP), am considered a lowlife by several people in this thread, and to top it off now I'm concocting strawmen? Yikes.

You seem to understand why I was annoyed to be mentioned in your OP, so we're cool, and I accept your apology. Consider it forgotten.

[TokyoBayer]

This may be ironic in a thread discussing not posting personal information about others, but this is too good to ignore. I've used advanced search technics to identify RSSchen's twin sister (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=405981). Since there isn't any real personal information in my cite, and names have been changed, I believe it shouldn't cross the line.

[lowbrass]

It was wrong of me though, and I fully understand why people were slapping me upside the head for it. Again, I'm sorry.

O.K., fair enough.

I repeat my Subject line...what the? I didn't "concoct" anything. I asked a question in the OP of this thread because I was very confused about how my post was received in the other thread. Giraffe answered my question. I realized I had missed a posted warning and should NOT have posted what I did there. I admitted that I was in the wrong and apologised. No matter. I'm still a villian to Rubystreak, who I like very much (and I apologise for mentioning in my OP), am considered a lowlife by several people in this thread, and to top it off now I'm concocting strawmen? Yikes.
JUST NOW, you made a sincere apology, and I thank you for that. Before, not so much. The strawman I'm talking about is when you originally wrote:


I didn't do anything that Rubystreak and several others hadn't already done before me, which was take something that RSSchen / MizGrand (a name change, ha, good one) had written in a previous thread and post it in that thread.

Do you now understand that "taking something written in a previous thread and posting it in that thread", wasn't the problem? The problem was your taking the PERSONAL INFORMATION and SUGGESTING HOW ONE MIGHT DISCOVER HER REAL IDENTITY. The strawman was your suggestion that people were beating up on you just because you posted something from another thread. That's NOT why they were beating up on you.

Since you have now apologized, I feel like this is settled.

[Boo Boo Foo]

This may be ironic in a thread discussing not posting personal information about others, but this is too good to ignore. I've used advanced search technics to identify RSSchen's twin sister (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=405981). Since there isn't any real personal information in my cite, and names have been changed, I believe it shouldn't cross the line.I just read that thread. I even posted in it after I read it. Very entertaining thread. But I disagree that RSSchen and Bobby's girlfriend are similar. Granted, they both clearly have some serious work to do on themselves, but I'd describe RSSchen as more of a narcissist, and Bobby's girlfriend as more of a neurotic/psychotic whose behaviour is amplified by Bobby's co-dependant personality. There are overlapping issues, to be sure. But they also are quite tangential as well.

Certainly, for the amateur psychologists amongst us - very entertaining fodder.

[bbs2k]

ITA. I got myself a pretty good smackdown goin' in IMHO recently.

Should'a posted it in MPSIMS, even though it didn't feel mundane.Why do you keep bringing this up? Don't you think it would be best to just let it drop?<deleted everything I just typed> All right. I read the posts in the About forum, and I immediately typed what I felt like saying. Before I submitted I took the time to take a deep breath, and understand that the comments I wrote may not be appropriate for that forum. So I took a walk, started some laundry, got a BLT and came back.

But you know what, I still want to say what I was thinking.

MizGrand keeps bringing this up because she enjoys bragging about the fact that she is still cheating on her husband but won't divorce him because he gives her money to support her substance abuse.

There, now I said what I was thinking. MizGrand, if you really want this to stop, then stop fucking bringing it up. I don't want to be mad about this anymore, but I am not the one fishing around it. Take Frank's words to heart and just stop!

[Rubystreak]

All right. I read the posts in the About forum, and I immediately typed what I felt like saying. Before I submitted I took the time to take a deep breath, and understand that the comments I wrote may not be appropriate for that forum. So I took a walk, started some laundry, got a BLT and came back.

But you know what, I still want to say what I was thinking.

MizGrand keeps bringing this up because she enjoys bragging about the fact that she is still cheating on her husband but won't divorce him because he gives her money to support her substance abuse.

There, now I said what I was thinking. MizGrand, if you really want this to stop, then stop fucking bringing it up. I don't want to be mad about this anymore, but I am not the one fishing around it. Take Frank's words to heart and just stop!

What are you talking about? Links or something?

[bbs2k]

What are you talking about? Links or something?
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8470102&postcount=6.

Sorry, this thread was the last one (in the Pit) about this old old issue.

[Rubystreak]

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8470102&postcount=6.

Sorry, this thread was the last one (in the Pit) about this old old issue.

I thought you were talking about this thread (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8461226&postcount=23) where she also brings it up ATMB. Funny. She's perseverating, isn't she? Why change your name if you're going to keep mentioning the trainwrecks all the time? One has to wonder.

[Boo Boo Foo]

I totally agree with this, CK. Maybe my trainwreck wouldn't have been so nasty had people, yanno, actually heeded the Mod (Giraffe?) warning.Oh that is priceless! Her trainwreck might not have been that bad if OTHER people had heeded the mod's warnings? You have got to be kidding me? What a perfect example of "victim mentality" - it's always somebody else's fault, never mine. I'm the victim!

Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick. How many times does somebody have to call a spade a spade before you'll stop calling it a shovel? RSSchen? The reason your threads about giving blowjobs to your neighbour became trainwrecks is because you're an idiot who thinks being an idiot is something to be proud of.

This quote above is all the proof I need. An attention whoring narcissitic, dumb fuck idiot.

[Cervaise]

This quote above is all the proof I need.Nice of her to provide one-stop-shopping, so nobody has to risk mod wrath by sifting through multiple threads to build their case. Very considerate.

[Equipoise]

I wanted to answer this but by the time I saw it the thread was way down the page. I wasn't going to bump this thread just for a one line answer, but since someone else did I'll take the opportunity.

You seem to understand why I was annoyed to be mentioned in your OP, so we're cool, and I accept your apology. Consider it forgotten.Thank you. I'm very relieved and I appreciate this response.

[TokyoBayer]

ITA. I got myself a pretty good smackdown goin' in IMHO recently.

Should'a posted it in MPSIMS, even though it didn't feel mundane.
Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. I was actually going to say something more like Holy fuck. What next is our favorate shit for brains fucking raving lunatic going to come up with?then I realized we already had one too many Pit threads going on about jackels and I didn't want to make the Offical Pit Hall Monitors work too hard.

I do congratulate Quiddity Glomfuster on her insight (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=416034):

Person posted an unpleasant story, yes, but actually listened to some advice and plans to act on it.Right. See, she's already decided she won't post something like that in IMHO again. Problem solved.

[Equipoise]

I thought you were talking about this thread (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8461226&postcount=23) where she also brings it up ATMB. Funny. She's perseverating, isn't she? Why change your name if you're going to keep mentioning the trainwrecks all the time? One has to wonder.Damn! I just looked at that and it was inspired by this thread and my stupidity! I don't want to post there because my answer to this

Originally Posted by MizGrand
I totally agree with this, CK. Maybe my trainwreck wouldn't have been so nasty had people, yanno, actually heeded the Mod (Giraffe?) warning.

is...you stupid fucking bitch! Maybe your trainwreck wouldn't have been so nasty if you hadn't decided that cheating on your husband with the friendly neighborhood cop for the next three years while hubby pays the bills was a good thing to post about, then you compounded it by claiming that your sons ages 3 and 6 would be better able to handle the divorce fallout at ages 6 and 9, and also that your husband was such an idiot that he'd never find you out via the Internet. You are a massively idiotic CUNT and I don't believe for a second that you've changed your ways or stopped seeing Officer Friendly.

I hate hate FUCKING HATE the fact that by people who didn't read the whole thing from the beginning, or those who have no fucking morals think of you now a victim. And I did my part and don't think I didn't kick myself about it and wish I'd never posted. You are a slimy bitch, and I feel dirty having had anything at all to do with you.

[Klaatu]

Oh dear, now you are one of the Jackals.

[Cat Whisperer]

<snip>I hate hate FUCKING HATE the fact that by people who didn't read the whole thing from the beginning, or those who have no fucking morals think of you now a victim. And I did my part and don't think I didn't kick myself about it and wish I'd never posted. You are a slimy bitch, and I feel dirty having had anything at all to do with you.
I don't think the long-timers will forget.

[Starving Artist]

and I feel dirty having had anything at all to do with you.I know what you mean. I feel the same way every time I chance upon one of your vulgar, foul-mouthed, hatred-fueled diatribes. I'd really like to know where all the venom you spew comes from. You are undoubtedly the most hateful, rage-filled person I've ever had the displeasure to encounter, either here or IRL. Perhaps you should look into meds. It can't be healthy carrying around that mind of yours 24/7.

[Equipoise]

I know what you mean. I feel the same way every time I chance upon one of your vulgar, foul-mouthed, hatred-fueled diatribes. I'd really like to know where all the venom you spew comes from. You are undoubtedly the most hateful, rage-filled person I've ever had the displeasure to encounter, either here or IRL. Perhaps you should look into meds. It can't be healthy carrying around that mind of yours 24/7.Jesus fuck! I was perfectly willing to ignore you, but since you're being a bitch, here's what I wrote but didn't post a few days ago. Actually, I did post it, but I changed my mind and deleted it in edit. Why I kept it, I don't know, but here you go.

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You did a tad more than that. You accused me of "not giving a shit" about your granddaughter's safety post 9/11 because I supported the war.First, you will notice that I didn't even bring up your name in my "Granny" complaint. Second, I remember saying that the reason I was concerned was because of my granddaughter. I don't think I ever expected you or any other right-winger or Bushrahers to give a shit about my granddaughter specifically, but rather all the children who were/are going to grow up in the world of mire and mess that this administration brought on this country. Because I have a granddaughter, in this case, "think of the children" (a sentiment I usually distain) meant more to me.

it seemed ironic that such a hotheaded, foulmouthed person as you would couch herself in grandmotherly concern I know that foul language coming from a grandmother is far worse and much more shocking than the unneccessary dead people in Iraq, or lies and corruption from the government, so I apologise for tainting your delicate sensibilities.

To people who you find to be on the wrong side of any given issue, you can be an extraordinarily vulgar, hotheaded, spiteful and mean-spirited person.True, but generally only to right-wing fucktards, Bush-backers and $cientologists. I truly have no respect for or desire to be polite to people who support this administration and seek to make this country a right-wing haven, or people who join stupid cults when there's plenty of background and reference info available. Still, my previously-admitted hotheadedness is something that I really have been trying to control though it pops out every now and then. I do tend to stay (try to tend to stay) clear of political threads, compared to my postings prior to the pre-1994 election, and I've bitten my tongue more than once in an effort to stay out of recent $cientology threads.

There is truly no one on this board I find as distasteful as you.Isn't that funny, I could say the same thing about you (except that there are a handful of other right-wing fucktards who would join the list, though some aren't around anymore).

Still, it doesn't seem right to make someone wish they'd never mentioned their granddaughter, so henceforth I won't call you Granny anymore as I'm sure other epithets will spring readily to mind.Gosh, I appreciate that.

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Defend a cheating slut (and right-wing fucktardedness) if you want, since your moral compass is truly fucked up. If you hate me so fucking much, leave me alone from now on and I'll do the same for you.

[MoodIndigo1]

Let me see: this is the Pit.
Though I would not use the same words exactly, Equipoise pretty much sums up my opinions about RSSchen/MizGrand.

On the other hand, I find you, Starving Artist to be hateful and petty. Your suggestion that she look into meds is downright insulting. You are undoubtedly the most hateful, rage-filled person I've ever had the displeasure to encounter, either here or IRL.
You do a pretty good rage-filled post yourself, Ms or Mr., and I guess you must have quite the sheltered life if Equipoise is the most rage-filled person you've ever encountered.

Try to get out more.

[Klaatu]

Would somebody think of the poor $cientologists? They are spending their hard earned money to clear the planet, and I don't think it's quite fair to lump them in with right-wing fucktards and Bush-backers.

[Starving Artist]

First, you will notice that I didn't even bring up your name in my "Granny" complaint. Never said ya did. Second, I remember saying that the reason I was concerned was because of my granddaughter. Allow me to refresh your memory then, about the true nature of this benign 'mention' of yours:

"I'm a grandmother who's sick of the bullshit. My granddaughter is far LESS safe now than she was before 9/11, and assholes like you who don't care about that are beyond contempt. So spare me your "kinder, gentler" conservatism. You support killing and crime and abuse and terror, so fuck you."

So, not quite the benign mention that you're trying to palm off on everyone, is it?

Oh, wait...you amended it later! Let's see, what was it you said? Oh, yeah...

"I'd like to correct something I said. Change "My granddaughter is far LESS safe now than she was before 9/11" to "My granddaughter is far LESS safe now from terrorists than she was before 9/11" not that you'd give a shit about her or anyone else."

So in other words, you said I didn't "give a shit" about your granddaughter's safety, just like I said in the post you're challenging. So, what's your point?

(And btw, unnecessary is spelled with only one "c".) :D

I know that foul language coming from a grandmother is far worse and much more shocking than the unneccessary dead people in Iraq, or lies and corruption from the government, so I apologise for tainting your delicate sensibilities.Oh, gee, you're right! How one Earth could I have failed to arrive at that twisted bit of moral equivalence? :rolleyes:

Isn't that funny, I could say the same thing about you (except that there are a handful of other right-wing fucktards who would join the list, though some aren't around anymore).I see. So it's not that you're immune to my winning personality, it's just that I'm among the roughly 50% of Americans who vote Republican.

Gosh, I appreciate that.Somehow, I doubt that.

If you hate me so fucking much, leave me alone from now on and I'll do the same for you.No, thanks. I'll just continue to post to whatever moves me, just like everyone else. And I don't hate you. I just find you offensive and disgusting. It's too bad you can't seem to limit yourself to threads about music and movies. You're intelligent there. Just shows to go an observation I made years ago...people operate on two levels, emotional and intellectual, and the one really doesn't have much to do with the other. When you get emotional, your brain goes out the window and all you can do is spout obscenities like a drunken sailor because it's all vitriol and no intelligence.

[TokyoBayer]

I know what you mean. I feel the same way every time I chance upon one of your vulgar, foul-mouthed, hatred-fueled diatribes. I'd really like to know where all the venom you spew comes from. You are undoubtedly the most hateful, rage-filled person I've ever had the displeasure to encounter, either here or IRL. Perhaps you should look into meds. It can't be healthy carrying around that mind of yours 24/7.See Equipoise what I was talking about? :D

Oh dear, now you are one of the Jackals.
But only if this was said as "puerile behavior disguised as holier-than-thou bullshit disguised as legitimate concern." I think that was the test for Jackals, correct me if I'm wrong. There's a lot riding on this, not the least of all if being rammed up the ass with a ladle.

I just read that thread. I even posted in it after I read it. Very entertaining thread. But I disagree that RSSchen and Bobby's girlfriend are similar. Granted, they both clearly have some serious work to do on themselves, but I'd describe RSSchen as more of a narcissist, and Bobby's girlfriend as more of a neurotic/psychotic whose behaviour is amplified by Bobby's co-dependant personality. There are overlapping issues, to be sure. But they also are quite tangential as well.

Certainly, for the amateur psychologists amongst us - very entertaining fodder.I was going to not comment on this, since I had figured that it was time to let all well alone, but if the Drama Queen herself is going to keep bringing it up, you got to figure that she wants the attention.

My post was just in jest, and I was thinking of the overlap of them being DQs; and you're right that there's obviously much more going on in both cases. MizGrand -- You Got To Love that Name! has had a number of possible diagnoses thrown at her, and psychology is beyond my speciality so I'll leave the speculation to others.

[MizGrand]

Fuck this thread, I want to know if RSSChen and her family are doing better or not. Seriously >_<

I'm doing great, thanks. I've come a VERY long way in the past week. I'm feeling happy, serene and calm. I'm playful w/Hub and loving to kids. I'm even fucking nice to random people on the street.

Yeah, I'm doing really well, thanks for asking. :D

[Cervaise]

There is truly no one on this board I find as distasteful as you.Look in the mirror, you tool.

[TokyoBayer]

I'm doing great, thanks. I've come a VERY long way in the past week. I'm feeling happy, serene and calm. I'm playful w/Hub and loving to kids. I'm even fucking nice to random people on the street. Ahh, MizGrand -- Don't You Love That Name, I'm Reformed Now how about the blow jobs for your husband? Does he like them as much as your boy toy does?

[PunditLisa]

Ahh, MizGrand -- Don't You Love That Name, I'm Reformed Now how about the blow jobs for your husband? Does he like them as much as your boy toy does?

Dude, this is beneath you. Stop it already.

[Caridwen]

Ahh, MizGrand -- Don't You Love That Name, I'm Reformed Now how about the blow jobs for your husband? Does he like them as much as your boy toy does?

The more I read the less I believe the whole thing. I don't know why people continue to buy into it. You people are getting played.

[MizGrand]

God people, let it fucking go. Unbelievable.

[Giraffe]

I think this whole affair (woo!) has gotten more than enough attention by now. Let's move on with our lives.