Sorry my son and I walked in on your public Porno-mag shoot.

[Count Blucher]

Hi. I’m talking to you. You, trying to hide both your nipples and your tacky bush behind that towel over there. Behind that birch tree. Yes, you.

Look, I’d talk to your 50+ year old fat photographer BF instead, but hey, that respect-for-you train left his station a while ago. Quite honestly, unless I was a threat to his Nikon, he doesn’t seem to give a good Og Damn who sees your bony ass. Look, maybe I wouldn’t have given a damn either…but you see this little guy to my left? The one asking “What are they doing, Daddy?” He’s my 10 year old son. And you’re in a Park that’s open to the public.

Yes, I know Bushkill Falls is privately owned & operated. I know because I asked. That’s how I know that you didn’t get permission to do a nudie shoot there, in front of Og and Sundry ( and my 10 year old son to boot). Maybe they would have told you to piss off and go get a room in town. Maybe they would have rented you part of a trail & closed it off to the rest of the public to give you some privacy (and protect the privacy of others from you). Either way, my son wouldn’t have had to see your pretentious gnat-gravitating briar-snatch and you wouldn’t be shivering and hiding behind a tree right now.

Look, I get that you are barely 20, a ‘size 2’, and you want to show it off to the world. Yes, yes, all the world loves a super-model :rolleyes: and you figure this is your shot at fame & fortune. But did you really have to put it in other people’s faces while you photograph it? How many times do you think Tyra Banks had to hide behind trees during her shoots? Or race out of the parking lot to keep from getting ‘caught’ and arrested in a BF’s minivan?

BTW, what is up with the minivan? What self-respecting 50 year old Single Guy drives around in a Dodge Caravan anyway? AFAIK, its not exactly high on the list of cars to rent to impress/undress easy 20-something dates. Or are you cheating at That too? :dubious:

My son had today off from school. I thought I’d try to be a good father and drive him to the country today. Bushkill Falls is a fairly pristine stretch of wilderness to enjoy a nice walk, fresh air and nature’s wonders. Natures wonders, …Not Yours!!! (Believe me, it would have cost significantly less than the gas I burned to cover your skanky ass-shanks in singles in a sticky-floored go-go bar.) Who the hell did you think hiked on trails anyway? The rocks would have scuffed Hef’s slippers and Larry Flynt’s scooter would have needed 4WD. But, thanks for being such a selfish self-absorbed whore. I can only hope that the flies were biting you like they were trying to bite us today. Maybe you’ll take away more from this experience than just embarrassment, humiliation, and the realization that your life has spun completely out of control and beyond your grasp.

Because there’s always Lyme Disease.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Was actual sex being photographed or was it just a naked woman?

Because if it's the latter, I think you're overreacting. Your son was lucky. I didn't see my first live bush until I was like 15.

[kung fu lola]

I agree with Dio nudity does not equal porn.

I guess your son isn't allowed to go to museums, either. There might be nekkid lay-dehs! (http://www.artchive.com/artchive/t/titian/titian_danae.jpg)

[Bryan Ekers]

Bushkill Falls

I can think of at least two reasons this might not be a good place for nude photography.

[LouisB]

I can think of at least two reasons this might not be a good place for nude photography.Be okay for a presidential press conference, though.

[Count Blucher]

When we walked up, she was naked, off the trail, and in front of one of the falls. I can't say what scene 2 would have been. She saw my son & realized Bolivia didn't export enough coke to make that scene 'ok' for her. I got my son around a rock wall from that scene pretty quick, but we could still tell that her change of mood royally PO'd her BF, so I'm not sure how far he'd initially planned/convinced her to go.
(later on, when they were leaving, he saw me across the parking lot and gave me an angry stare. Just before he burned rubber out of the parking lot of the family recreation area as only a macho minivan driver can.)

Look, I get that my son has to grow up some time, but he's a very young 10. He has the whole rest of his life to be an adult, so I'd really like to give him the opportunity to have a childhood and to be a kid. Yes, I was also trying to show him what my father showed me about identifying trees and knowing which ones were edible in an emergancy and which ones bark make good kindling if you get caught out in the woods. It was going to be a beautiful day... 87F with a light breeze off the waterfalls. I had wanted it to be a good bonding and learning experiance.

I had hoped not to have to use phrases like 'please ignore the naked tart behind the birch tree'.

[AuntiePam]

We were Christmas shopping in downtown Seattle many years ago, and stumbled on a naked woman being photographed in the doorway of a pawn shop. My son was about 15, and he later told me that was the first real live totally naked woman he saw until he was in his early 30's. She was gorgeous -- think young Kate Winslet. My husband blinked and missed her.

I'm a suspicious sort (especially when vans are involved) -- is there any doubt in your mind that the young woman was there willingly? She didn't appear frightened or nervous?

[Kneepants Erasmus, the Humanist]

I agree with Dio nudity does not equal porn.

I guess your son isn't allowed to go to museums, either. There might be nekkid lay-dehs! (http://www.artchive.com/artchive/t/titian/titian_danae.jpg)



:eek:

:mad:

You wanna put a "NSFW" on that??????









Tee hee. :)

[Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor]

Was she good looking?
This, of course, being the most important issue.

[Boyo Jim]

You missed a wonderful opportunity for a nature lecture. "Son, you're looking at a female of the species. Note the firm breasts. Ooh, see those scars on the bottoms -- plastic! She's had implants to enhance her attractiveness to men.

Note the clean shaven pubic area. This is a common practice of both male and female porno stars to making filming easier."

Talk about bonding!

[GLWasteful]

I had hoped not to have to use phrases like 'please ignore the naked tart behind the birch tree'.
I dunno. . .nobody ever used used phrases like that with me when I was but a lad.

And I became an elected official.

So relish those father/son moments.

They're gone before you know it.

[Duke of Rat]

Yes, I was also trying to show him what my father showed me about identifying trees and knowing which ones were edible in an emergancy and which ones bark make good kindling if you get caught out in the woods.

Not a total waste. He knows a little something about a certain type of likely non-edible bush. You might have wanted to leave before she started rubbing her bark with a stick, probably.

[Count Blucher]

Not a total waste. He knows a little something about a certain type of likely non-edible bush. You might have wanted to leave before she started rubbing her bark with a stick, probably.

Or started in on the stuffed bear across from the snackbar. :eek:

[Rilchiam]

OMG SO WHAT IF SHE WAS 20 AND THE GUY WAS 50 YOU AGEIST BASTARD!

Seriously, though, while I don't think your son will lose his innocence because he saw boobs (unless you've got everything except pray-TV locked out on your cable box, he may have already), the circumstances were unfortunate. Not just that she was nude, but someone was taking pictures, and that someone reacted with hostility, and the young woman reacted in a way much counter to the "bodies are beautiful" argument...That's a discussion that could definitely have waited a few years.

Also, AuntiePam's second paragraph.

[DSeid]

I agree with Dio nudity does not equal porn.

I guess your son isn't allowed to go to museums, either.I suppose that you have no problem with men publically exposing themselves to 10 year old girls.

The issue is choice. I sent my preteen to art classes that included figure drawing with naked models. Went with him and his sibs a few years previous to a resort that allowed topless bathing. He was fine, I was fine, my wife was fine. But we made the informed decision. Imposing that choice on others is not okay.

[Wee Bairn]

You're overreacting. Tell him "they have teeth down there".

[Happy Scrappy Hero Pup]

Not a total waste. He knows a little something about a certain type of likely non-edible bush.

Man, if you think that type of bush is not to be eaten, I feel sorry for your woman.


When we walked up, she was naked, off the trail, and in front of one of the falls. I can't say what scene 2 would have been. She saw my son & realized Bolivia didn't export enough coke to make that scene 'ok' for her. I got my son around a rock wall from that scene pretty quick, but we could still tell that her change of mood royally PO'd her BF, so I'm not sure how far he'd initially planned/convinced her to go.
(later on, when they were leaving, he saw me across the parking lot and gave me an angry stare. Just before he burned rubber out of the parking lot of the family recreation area as only a macho minivan driver can.)

You're assuming a LOT of facts not in evidence in order to sustain your righteous indignation, dude.

I'm with you on "she should have taken better precautions to ensure that those not intended to see her, do not see her."

But you lost me at "OMG she is teh ev1l!"

[Duke of Rat]

Man, if you think that type of bush is not to be eaten, I feel sorry for your woman.





Hey, there's a GQ thread about edible mushrooms. Some look tasty but will drop you in your tracks. Some look like fungus growing on a log and are delicacies. Same with bush. You start eating just any ol' one you come across and you run a certain risk, just like mushrooms.

[Frostillicus]

I think skanks of any age should not be legally allowed to be photographed naked. My God, who wants to see that crap?

(Hot chicks, on the other hand...)

[Finagle]

It's hard to get behind any real righteous indignation here. Artistic photography of nudes in nature has a very long and respectable history. And before that, it was painting. Of the attractive subjects for photography, the female figure, draped or undraped, is high on the list.

Naked women != porn unless you're amazingly uptight. Given the setting -- a waterfall -- my first impression would be that the photographer was aiming for, if not art, certainly not sleaze.

A better reaction would be a cheery "oh, sorry, carry on" to the photographer, and a "He's taking pictures of the lady" to your son's question.

Yeah, not the best choice of the photographer to take the photos near a public trail, but, well, it's hard to move a waterfall, and guess what? Most waterfalls are near trails because they're fun to look at.

[Little Nemo]

Much as I support the idea of female nudity in general, I agree with the OP. People should be able to decide if they want to see a naked woman not have one suddenly appear before them. The photographer and the model should have arranged somebody else to have been present further away on the trail to advise people that they were taking nude pictures up ahead. Trail users would then be able to either turn back or pick up their pace depending on their inclinations.

[Ruby]

I have to pile on with the "whatever" crowd. The female form is absolutely beautiful and has been admired in art throughout the ages. By making a big deal out of it and spiriting your son around a rock wall, you're subtly perpetuating the ridiculous notion that nudity = sex = porn = bad. A simple answer to your son's question would have sufficed. "What are they doing over there, daddy?".... "They're taking pictures, son."

[Ruby]

I suppose that you have no problem with men publically exposing themselves to 10 year old girls.

The issue is choice. I sent my preteen to art classes that included figure drawing with naked models. Went with him and his sibs a few years previous to a resort that allowed topless bathing. He was fine, I was fine, my wife was fine. But we made the informed decision. Imposing that choice on others is not okay.Oh, please. A perv exposing himself to a 10-year-old girl is not the same as photographing a naked male in a nature setting. :rolleyes:

[Sailboat]

Nudity aside, I'm having a little bit of trouble reconciling the two items quoted below:

It was going to be a beautiful day... 87F with a light breeze off the waterfalls.

shivering and hiding behind a tree right now.

I know it's easy to shiver when you're naked, and I guess she was upset, but 87 sounds about warm enough that shivering might not be necessary.

Uh, I don't really have anywhere to go with that observation.

Sailboat

[Dr. Rieux]

OMG SO WHAT IF SHE WAS 20 AND THE GUY WAS 50 YOU AGEIST BASTARD!
Did you ever think maybe he was just spending a day at the park with his daughter? ;)

[Autolycus]

Does this happen regularly at this park, and where may I find it?

[Biffy the Elephant Shrew]

People should be able to decide if they want to see a naked woman not have one suddenly appear before them.
Okay, my decision is for a naked woman to suddenly appear before me.













I'm waiting...

[NicePete]

Just out of curiousity, has your son ever witnessed someone being killed, maimed or severely beaten on TV, in a movie or in a video game?

[kidchameleon]

I'm upset.

Why does this happen to guys that have sons and don't want to see hot naked women naked in the woods, but singles guys like myself get to see Banana Slugs. it's just not fair.

[Rigamarole]

Just out of curiousity, has your son ever witnessed someone being killed, maimed or severely beaten on TV, in a movie or in a video game?

I was just thinking about this - as cliché as it is to play the old "violence is so much more tolerated than sex/nudity in our culture, wtf?" whine, it's a damn good point.

If I had to witness and explain a real (not just on TV) act of violence to my child, it would tear me up. I would truly be at an emotional loss and I'd feel terrible about it. If something happened like in the OP (seeing a naked woman in public) and my child asked me about it, I'd laugh my ass off.

Anyway, I know that's a tangent but I really doubt your child is scarred for life. Hell, he's a lucky boy, and now you both have a story to tell.

[Rigamarole]

People should be able to decide if they want to see a naked woman not have one suddenly appear before them.

I dream of the day that a naked woman suddenly appears before me. I've given up all my other dreams by now due to the harsh facts of reality. It's really the only dream I have left. Please don't crush my dream, Little Nemo.

[lowbrass]

Was actual sex being photographed or was it just a naked woman?

Because if it's the latter, I think you're overreacting.
I agree. It's a human body; get over it.

[jjimm]

In what manner was her bush "tacky", is what I want to know.

Did you touch it and found your hand sticking to it?

Did it perhaps carry sponsorship?

Or was it shorn into a tasteless shape, such as an anchor or a clown face?

[Rigamarole]

Or was it shorn into a tasteless shape, such as an anchor or a clown face?

I'll have you know that clown face-shaped bushes are all the rage these days.

[jjimm]

I'll have you know that clown face-shaped bushes are all the rage these days.Since I'm scared by clowns, that would make oral sex a conflicted experience for me.

"Kiss the clown, honey."

- "But I'm afraid!!!"

"Kiss his laughing face."

- "Aaarghhhhhhhhhhh" [Runs screaming into the night]

[Tapioca Dextrin]

It's a human body; get over it.

Getting over a naked 20yo model might not be something you want to be doing with a 10yo kidling watching. :p

[Kal]

"Kiss his laughing face."

- "Aaarghhhhhhhhhhh" [Runs screaming into the night]I'll be sure to send my therapy bill to you, you bastard.

[jjimm]

I'll be sure to send my therapy bill to you, you bastard.The thought of Bliffo's vertical smile too much for you, eh?

[Gary Kumquat]

The thought of Bliffo's vertical smile too much for you, eh?

You absolute bastard.

[SparrowHawk]

What color was the van? What color was her hair?

Seriously, it sounds like some people I used to know...

[Kal]

The thought of Bliffo's vertical smile too much for you, eh?You've taken the one little bit of joy I've had out of life lately and ruined the memory of it forever.

[ParentalAdvisory]

Hi. I’m talking to you. You, trying to hide both your nipples and your tacky bush behind that towel over there. Behind that birch tree. Yes, you.
...

But did you really have to put it in other people’s faces while you photograph it?

So was she hiding behind a tree, or putting it in peoples faces? Me thinks you may have investigated the situation further then what was warranted. I suppose I might have too.

Anywho, grow a pair.

[Turek]

Just out of curiousity, has your son ever witnessed someone being killed, maimed or severely beaten on TV, in a movie or in a video game?

Yeah, I was wondering something similar: If you'd happened across them filming a grissly murder scene for a movie, would you be so indignant?

[TokyoBayer]

Yes, I know Bushkill Falls is privately owned & operated.And you missed this teaching movement?

Son, we're here at Bushkill Falls.
Son: Is that because of Iraq?
CB: No, that's Dickkill Falls, son. It's down a one-way street.
Son: Dad! What's that!
CB: That, son is a bush.
Son: Will it kill?
CB: It's hard to tell with wild bush, son. Some bush is great, some is bad.
Son: How do you tell?
CB: One way is to see if it's tacky. Bush seeping yellow pus is not a good sign. Slightly wet is fine, but tacky is right out.
Son: Dad? What's tacky?
CB: You know when Uncle John and Dad go out on Saturday nights, and contribute money to the poor women who don't have enough clothes?
Son: Ya, you always take a bunch of one dollar bills.
CB: That's right son. The floor where these poor girls are forced to work is tacky.
Son: Yuck! See, it could have ended really well!

[PunditLisa]

No matter what the purpose for the photos was, the photographer should have had some sort of plan in place in case people approached. Prudish or not, public nudity isn't accepted here in the U.S., even on our beaches, and the photographer and model both knew it or they wouldn't have reacted the way they did. Any number of people would have been shocked by stumbling upon such a scene, whether they support the fine arts or not. Seeing nekkid bodies in museums is a far cry from seeing flesh and blood nekkid bodies ten feet in front of you in the middle of a nature hike. It created an awkward moment for the father/son, which was unfortunate.

On the other hand, the OPer is jumping to conclusions by calling it a porno mag shoot. It sounds like a beautiful setting for a photo shoot, naked or otherwise.
It could have been an actress and/or model trying to get some photos for her portfolio. It could have been a wife trying to get beautiful pictures for her husband's birthday. Nudity does not have to equal pornography.

[Ferret Herder]

Yeah, I was wondering something similar: If you'd happened across them filming a grissly murder scene for a movie, would you be so indignant?
I would have! Blundering into a gory scene would have freaked me the fuck out, plus I'd bet money that a lot of people who were thrust into that situation would run and dial 911 -"OMG there's been a murder and some sicko is taking pictures of it; I don't see any cops around." This is why most movie producers have some kind of security set up to redirect people around filming scenes and explain why.

A public place isn't a good place to be doing your own personal porn shoot, either. Besides the "won't someone think of the children!" aspect, you might also encounter someone of a strict religion who would be really freaked out at this scene. Alternately maybe I don't care who and how hot you are, I just don't want to see some chick's tits and bush (or even some guy's dick) while I'm out on a walk. If I really felt like being a bitch in that situation I'd call park management or the non-emergency line to the cops, and give them that minivan's plate number, especially after Mr. Photographer acted like I ruined his shot and/or chances at scoring with his model just because I was walking somewhere and just happened to walk past his own private stroke material shoot.

[DSeid]

Oh, please. A perv exposing himself to a 10-year-old girl is not the same as photographing a naked male in a nature setting. :rolleyes:Roll eyes all you want. The logic expressed here is exactly the same: "it's just nudity, get over it." "OMIGOD it's a penis. Better not got to Florence, dey's got statues of nekkid men there!"

This is unwanted exposure in an inappropriate location. Sure with my kid it would have been no big deal, maybe even a bit of a lark. But the op is absolutely entitled to his values and in America they are more the norm than are mine.

[Eonwe]

I agree with Dio nudity does not equal porn.

I guess your son isn't allowed to go to museums, either. There might be nekkid lay-dehs! (http://www.artchive.com/artchive/t/titian/titian_danae.jpg)


[Dan Akroyd]
I don't think anybody can deny this is a very nice painting of a broad on a couch.
[/Dan Akroyd]

[Count Blucher]

Ok, lots of catch-up to do today.


We first saw the girl & the photographer when they bought their ticket behind us at the entrance to the trails areas. They would have just blended in with the crowd except the manager behind the ticket counter noticed she was in a bathing suit. “Hey, look you know there’s absolutely no swimming allowed here, right? And you are not to wander off the trails into the water? Its for your own safety.” The manager (a woman) said. The first thing I noticed was that the BF and the had bought their own tickets. This only stuck out to me because what I normally see at ticket counters in my neck of the woods is one person of a couple buying both and then the couples settle up money later. (It just moves the line along faster that way) Also, the model struck a major attitude with the manager at the ticket counter, getting loud and indignant with her for more than 5 full minutes about ‘how dare you accuse me of going into the water?’. My first impression being clouded by how much of a total asshole she was to someone who was just trying to keep her safe and do the job she was supposed to, it was hard for me to see the model as attractive after that point. If anything, I was surprised that that much asshole could fit inside a body that small.

After entering the trail area, I told my son that I wanted us to try to do the red trail instead of the easy yellow trail. The red trail is longer and that probably how the model and the photographer got so far ahead of us that they were set up and shooting by the time we accidentally stumbled on them. Where they were set up at was at one of the scenic map spots listed on the handout. The trail has railings at the point and if you wanted to see Bridal Falls (spot #8 on the map) you had to walk around a large boulder/rock wall and right into their shoot.

I agree with Dio nudity does not equal porn.

I guess your son isn't allowed to go to museums, either. There might be nekkid lay-dehs! (http://www.artchive.com/artchive/t/titian/titian_danae.jpg)

I shall let my membership lapse the day museum guides start shouting at the statues , “C’mon, baby! Shake dem Things! Show Daddy that you want it. Yeah, dats it, honey…! Now Strut!!!”

Nudity aside, I'm having a little bit of trouble reconciling the two items quoted below:

I know it's easy to shiver when you're naked, and I guess she was upset, but 87 sounds about warm enough that shivering might not be necessary.

She had (of course) totally ignored the safety instructions of the manager who she had berated publicly. She was off the trail, in the water, and had just come out from under the waterfall. I’m not sure how cold mountain water run off is before Memorial Day, but I’d bet it was pretty damn cold. She was striking provocative poses until my son and I walked into the ‘bridal falls scenic viewing area’. She then grabbed a nearby towel and hid behind a tree, shivering. And I got my son out of there.

Just out of curiousity, has your son ever witnessed someone being killed, maimed or severely beaten on TV, in a movie or in a video game?

Funny you should ask. His TV channels stick to pretty much Nick and Cartoon Network. Whenever he comes into a room where my wife and I are watching anything with death, blood or guts, he’ll cry out ‘Blood…!’ and literally run out of the room. The most violent game he plays is a ‘Star Wars’ game where he shoots cartoon ‘Storm Troopers’. One of my pet peeves is that a lot of these blood&guts shows are broadcast at 8 and 9pm, before bedtime, making changing channels with him in the room potentially a problem. Yes, he’s a very gentle and sensitive little guy, a young 10. I’m not in any rush to spoil or jade his childhood.

Yeah, I was wondering something similar: If you'd happened across them filming a grissly murder scene for a movie, would you be so indignant?

More so. But that doesn’t make shooting nude shots in a public place acceptable.

In what manner was her bush "tacky", is what I want to know.

Did you touch it and found your hand sticking to it?

Did it perhaps carry sponsorship?

Or was it shorn into a tasteless shape, such as an anchor or a clown face?

tack·y –adjective, tack·i·er, tack·i·est.
1. not tasteful or fashionable; dowdy.

2. shabby in appearance; shoddy: a tacky, jerry-built housing development.

3. crass; cheaply vulgar; tasteless; crude.

4. gaudy; flashy; showy.

See, it could have ended really well!

A better ending would have been the BF in cuffs and muttering to the PA State Troopers

“…And we would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn’t for that damn meddling Kid…!”

No matter what the purpose for the photos was, the photographer should have had some sort of plan in place in case people approached. Prudish or not, public nudity isn't accepted here in the U.S., even on our beaches, and the photographer and model both knew it or they wouldn't have reacted the way they did. Any number of people would have been shocked by stumbling upon such a scene, whether they support the fine arts or not. Seeing nekkid bodies in museums is a far cry from seeing flesh and blood nekkid bodies ten feet in front of you in the middle of a nature hike. It created an awkward moment for the father/son, which was unfortunate.

On the other hand, the OPer is jumping to conclusions by calling it a porno mag shoot. It sounds like a beautiful setting for a photo shoot, naked or otherwise.
It could have been an actress and/or model trying to get some photos for her portfolio. It could have been a wife trying to get beautiful pictures for her husband's birthday. Nudity does not have to equal pornography.

A reasonable response. Well said and Thank you. Still, she wouldn’t have handed those finished prints to a 10 year old boy. She should have used the same precautions to keep that shoot private that she would have to keep those pictures private. I also may have pitted her more than I should have; a young 20-something is still learning and can be expected to have a lapse in judgement or two. A 50 year old guy is supposed to know better, and from his actions, he was probably the motivation (money?) behind the shoot.

[Vinyl Turnip]

My father would've walked us both up and struck up a conversation with Mr. Flynt and Ms. Au Naturel. He was a complete perv, however.

[Savannah]

Look, I get that my son has to grow up some time, but he's a very young 10. He has the whole rest of his life to be an adult, so I'd really like to give him the opportunity to have a childhood and to be a kid. If I had a child of my own, I'd feel the same way. Let kids be kids--they grow up so fast, and a good childhood is a lovely thing to carry with them into adulthood.

I have nothing against porn and nothing against naked people (we all have a body, after all, and roughly 50% of the world has the same set of stuff) but if I was on a nature walk, and ran into them, I'd be peeved, too. More so, if a child was with me.

I would like to choose the time and place I see nekkid people.

[Dangerosa]

If I had a child of my own, I'd feel the same way. Let kids be kids--they grow up so fast, and a good childhood is a lovely thing to carry with them into adulthood.

I have nothing against porn and nothing against naked people (we all have a body, after all, and roughly 50% of the world has the same set of stuff) but if I was on a nature walk, and ran into them, I'd be peeved, too. More so, if a child was with me.

I would like to choose the time and place I see nekkid people.

I would as well.

I also think there is a difference between public art (which doesn't, nowadays, often feature nudes - but you can still come across statues of naked nymphs on occation), museum art (I've taken my kids to the museum and they've seen nudes - I didn't care though next time I will warn them that saying in a loud voice "hey, Mom, you can see her butt!" is not good museum manners), and the creation of nude photos (be they art or porn) in a public setting. This sounds like its a public/private place, but the phographer and model did not have permission from the owner.

On your property film all the slasher/porn/art films/photography with nude people you want. When you are on public property or someone else's property, you need to conform to norms. In our society, for better or worse, that means you wear clothes. And given that I have a "slimmest and sexist and ageist" standard when it comes to enjoying looking at naked people (naked men are always funny looking, and naked older overweight people are - I'm sorry to say - less pleasant for me to look at than naked thin young (but adult) people - I think that's a good thing.

(I know a naked 65 year old overweight man has his own beauty, but I'm not conditioned to see it, and don't care to be surprised by it).

[lowbrass]

Ok, lots of catch-up to do today.


We first saw the girl & the photographer when they bought their ticket behind us at the entrance to the trails areas. They would have just blended in with the crowd except the manager behind the ticket counter noticed she was in a bathing suit. “Hey, look you know there’s absolutely no swimming allowed here, right? And you are not to wander off the trails into the water? Its for your own safety.” The manager (a woman) said. The first thing I noticed was that the BF and the had bought their own tickets. This only stuck out to me because what I normally see at ticket counters in my neck of the woods is one person of a couple buying both and then the couples settle up money later. (It just moves the line along faster that way) Also, the model struck a major attitude with the manager at the ticket counter, getting loud and indignant with her for more than 5 full minutes about ‘how dare you accuse me of going into the water?’. My first impression being clouded by how much of a total asshole she was to someone who was just trying to keep her safe and do the job she was supposed to, it was hard for me to see the model as attractive after that point. If anything, I was surprised that that much asshole could fit inside a body that small.

So your point is that it's not the nudity that bothered you but that you saw a nude person who had acted somewhat rudely earlier in the day?

:confused:

[Licentious Ectomorph]

I've never understood the assumption that the mere sight of nudity (even partial) will warp children's fragile little minds. I remember after the Janet Jackson incident, some mother weeping in front of Congress because her poor little darlings had seen a boob. :rolleyes:

The only reason kids think nudity is a big deal or the human body is "bad" is because adults tell them so. IANA Parent, but it seems to me you could have just told your son that the man was taking pictures of the pretty lady for people to admire. Even at 10, the idea of pretty people being nice to look at isn't a hard concept.

[NurseCarmen]

I agree with Dio
I guess your son isn't allowed to go to museums, either. There might be nekkid lay-dehs! (http://www.artchive.com/artchive/t/titian/titian_danae.jpg)Dude looks like a lady.

[NinetyWt]

shouting at the statues , “C’mon, baby! Shake dem Things! Show Daddy that you want it. Yeah, dats it, honey…! Now Strut!!!”If the photog was shouting directions like this at the model, well, it's a little different IMO.

Is that what you meant, CB?

[eleanorigby]

What is it with the SDMB and nudity? Why is it any complaint about inappropriate nudity (behavior that could get the people involved arrested) seen as defensible? Or is this the common Pit response of no matter how badly you were treated/experienced hell or similiar, it wasn't THEM, it was YOU?

Encountering a naked woman and a man photographing her is NOT an ordinary trail walking experience. To me, the OP is justified in his complaint. He wanted to have some father/son time--he wanted to make a memory, much like his father did with him. Instead, he got a whole 'nother type of memory forced upon him and his son. Not nice. Nowhere does he say that his son will be scarred for life or that he even "fears" that.

I think he would have been as upset if on the trail they had seen a couple having a real donnybrook or a parent slapping their child or a drug deal going down.


I don't think the OP is prudish at all. I have no desire to see anyone get that much back to nature, period. There are lots of places one can do nude photography--studios, rented a piece of property, use private property with the permission of the owner etc.

[jjimm]

Sir Blucher, which of the four tackies (missing out the sticky definition, as you did) do you choose? Was the lady's foof "not tasteful", "dowdy", "shabby", "crass", or "gaudy"? There's a lot of maintenance required to leap from one offensive style to the other, you know.

And I hope you'll forgive me for replaying a cliché, but blimey, a lot of you yanks are well uptight.

[kung fu lola]

The only reason kids think nudity is a big deal or the human body is "bad" is because adults tell them so. IANA Parent, but it seems to me you could have just told your son that the man was taking pictures of the pretty lady for people to admire. Even at 10, the idea of pretty people being nice to look at isn't a hard concept.

I don't have anything to add, I just thought this bore repeating.

[Jackmannii]

I was going to post a link to scenic Bushkill Falls (http://www.visitbushkillfalls.com) sometime back, because it sounded like the perfection vacation spot for rjungesque Dopers. Let's see now...

"Hiking the trails and viewing the towering 100-foot Main Falls are not the only activities possible on the expansive grounds of Bushkill Falls. Check out the Pennsylvania Wildlife Exhibit, Native American Exhibit, fish Twin Lakes, visit our variety of gift shops, stop at the Fudge Kitchen for delectible sweets in the Wagon Wheel Pavilion, take a paddle-boat ride, or enjoy a round of miniature golf. At Bushkill Falls there's plenty for the entire family to see and do!"

Um, lessee...nope, nothing there about shooting amateur porno photos (excuse me, Art Pictures). Maybe not the kind of family activity that park operators and most visitors to the Poconos have in mind.

Sorry, but the photo shoot was a jerky thing to do, and the OP has a right to be ticked off. You run into something like that all of a sudden with no one else around, and you don't know what sort of creepy people might be involved or how they might react when "interrupted".

And if it was somebody taking photos of a young naked male striking "provocative" poses, and the father of a 10-year-old daughter objected to their activities, numerous posters would still be scoffing about prudity...right?

[wring]

And if it was somebody taking photos of a young naked male striking "provocative" poses, and the father of a 10-year-old daughter objected to their activities, numerous posters would still be scoffing about prudity...right? well everyone knows the naked female body is art-y and beautiful, but the
naked male body is just funny looking.

[Martin Hyde]

The female form is absolutely beautiful and has been admired in art throughout the ages.

I don't think it is "absolutely" beautiful. Even genuinely gorgeous people can look less than attractive in the wrong lighting/situation, and not everyone is equally attractive.

Not to burst any bubbles, but not all women are attractive, and just because you can find a man willing to fuck you doesn't mean you're attractive either, it just proves that men aren't that picky.

[Maeglin]

I don't think it is "absolutely" beautiful. Even genuinely gorgeous people can look less than attractive in the wrong lighting/situation, and not everyone is equally attractive.

Not to burst any bubbles, but not all women are attractive, and just because you can find a man willing to fuck you doesn't mean you're attractive either, it just proves that men aren't that picky.

The voice of experience?

[Martin Hyde]

The voice of experience?

Not necessarily. I will say that my criteria for judging a woman to be "beautiful" is a lot stricter than my criteria for saying "I'd have sex with her." Functionally speaking while there are obvious deviations, most female's sex organs get the job done regardless of how attractive the woman is--it may be harder to get aroused with a less attractive woman. This is all assuming the woman is within some modicum of "normal" weight (ie not clinically obese.) I imagine having sex with a woman who is extremely heavy might create logistical problems and limit positions.

[JRDelirious]

I don't have anything to add, I just thought this bore repeating.
And meanwhile I believe eleanorigby's post, and Jackmanii's, could bear repeating but do not need repeating, as they stand by themselves.

[kung fu lola]

Wow aren't you a snotty little fuck.

I guess I COULD have added that the people who are supporting the OP all seem to have the same uptight, shameful associations of nudity with sex, which isn't very enlightened. They all sound like Petunia Dursley to me.

[lowbrass]

The only reason kids think nudity is a big deal or the human body is "bad" is because adults tell them so. IANA Parent, but it seems to me you could have just told your son that the man was taking pictures of the pretty lady for people to admire. Even at 10, the idea of pretty people being nice to look at isn't a hard concept.
Hell, I'll repeat it again. :p

[DanBlather]

I think he would have been as upset if on the trail they had seen a couple having a real donnybrook or a parent slapping their child or a drug deal going down. Which of the following does not belong: violence, child abuse, drug dealing, nudity?

[Boyo Jim]

Which of the following does not belong: violence, child abuse, drug dealing, nudity?

Oh cmon! Drug dealing, of course! We all need the weed. :p

[DSeid]

I don't have anything to add, I just thought this bore repeating."Bore" as in to bore others?

Or "bore" as in to bore a hole through your dense skull that the issue is not whether or not nudity is "bad" but that a parent has a right to take a child to family venue and not be exposed to what is, within the standard of the society, generally not considered family fare?

Or do do you mean "boor" as in the boors who can only think of what they personally might or might not find offensive and who arrogantly conclude that if they don't find it offensive then no one has any right to have a different opinion let aone have it respected? Y'know, the same people who would bring steak to a Hindu celebration and snack on a bacon double cheeseburger while waiting for a Bar MItzvah to start.

As "boar" as in a wild animal that cannot possibly understand that civilization requires that individuals actually have to exercise some control over where they do what? Pissing may be natural, and the only reason kids think it should be done out of sight is because adults tell them so, but I still don't want my kids coming upon some lady squatting in the middle of a playground.

[Count Blucher]

So your point is that it's not the nudity that bothered you but that you saw a nude person who had acted somewhat rudely earlier in the day?

:confused:

You read everything I posted and that’s all you came away with? To spoon feed, several people had asked ‘was she cute?’ After observing the above, I honestly didn’t think so. FTR, even the nicest of people shouldn’t be shooting nude pictorials in family recreation areas during business hours, unannounced, and without permission.

Wow aren't you a snotty little fuck.

I guess I COULD have added that the people who are supporting the OP all seem to have the same uptight, shameful associations of nudity with sex, which isn't very enlightened. They all sound like Petunia Dursley to me.

Thanks. I won’t get personally insulting with you though. That would be inappropriate. Like shooting nude pictorials in a family recreation area during business hours unannounced and without permission.
I was toying with making an analogy to shooting nude layouts of ‘The Girls of Toys R Us’ during store hours, without permission, and around little kids shopping for Hot-wheels and Barbies, but its become obvious that you’ve stopped listening.

I’d also like to thank Jackmannii for posting the link to show people what I knew, but had neglected to post. Paddle-boats, Indian crafts, and the ‘Wagon Wheel Pavillion’: what parent, when picking a place out to spend the day with their child, reads ‘adult photography’ into the above, especially at the beginning of Memorial Day weekend?

On the home page, I especially liked the new addition for the 2007 season:
“New children's' play system.
Ideal for children ages 5 through 12.” (http://www.visitbushkillfalls.com/index.php)

[JRDelirious]

That would be inappropriate. Like shooting nude pictorials in a family recreation area during business hours unannounced and without permission. Y'know, having myself participated (in a technical role) in the creation of "adult art", it does puzzle me a bit how some people do not get it through their minds that there's a time and there's a place, and that one of the reasons we should mind the time and the place IS precisely because some people may not react very well to stumbling into our work. Some people overreact? Maybe. But if we took the proper precautions then we can know we did our part to mitigate it. Just going ahead and doing whatever we want and telling off the people who are bothered only goes so far. We cannot claim that one of the two parties in potential conflict has unfettered right to do their thing and the other party has to just back off in every aspect.

[Wile E]

In what manner was her bush "tacky", is what I want to know.
...

Rhinestones?

[lowbrass]

You read everything I posted and that’s all you came away with? To spoon feed, several people had asked ‘was she cute?’ After observing the above, I honestly didn’t think so. FTR, even the nicest of people shouldn’t be shooting nude pictorials in family recreation areas during business hours, unannounced, and without permission.

Hur? Your diatribe about how rude she was at the ticket window was in response to the question "was she cute"? I'm trying to follow the logic there, but there just doesn't seem to be any.

You got a bunch of responses about how it's just a naked person, how it's not that huge a deal, and how you're overreacting. So you posted a response saying "Ok, lots of catch-up to do today.", which a reasonable person would presume to mean you were going to address the main points of contention. Such reasonable person might also presume that the whole issue of the woman's rudeness actually was supposed to have something to do with this. And hence the confusion, in that it apparently has nothing to do with it.

And now your "spoon-feeding" :rolleyes: to me the information that you were responding to the question "was she cute" renders your point even less comprehensible.

[Dangerosa]

Let's find out if he's overreating. Tomorrow, when America's beaches are crowded, why don't all you who don't think there is anything wrong with this take a friend and a camera to a beach, disrobe, have your friend take some photos and see if its a big deal. I get the feeling that most of you believe this should be a perfectly OK situation and no reasonable human being will have any sort of issue with it, so I'd like to see if thats true. My guess is that you'll discover that Count Blucher is having a perfectly normal reaction to people being nude in a public setting.

[Dangerosa]

overeating - is that some sort of freudian slip...overreacting.

[lowbrass]

Let's find out if he's overreating. Tomorrow, when America's beaches are crowded, why don't all you who don't think there is anything wrong with this take a friend and a camera to a beach, disrobe, have your friend take some photos and see if its a big deal. I get the feeling that most of you believe this should be a perfectly OK situation and no reasonable human being will have any sort of issue with it, so I'd like to see if thats true. My guess is that you'll discover that Count Blucher is having a perfectly normal reaction to people being nude in a public setting.
Never said it was "perfectly OK"; it's just not the end of the world when someone sees a breast.

[wring]

Never said it was "perfectly OK"; it's just not the end of the world when someone sees a breast.
and of course you can substantiate that was claimed?

(fixed coding)

[Martin Hyde]

Never said it was "perfectly OK"; it's just not the end of the world when someone sees a breast.

I've read all the posts here and never once saw someone say it was the end of the world.

I'm not sure why there's this consistent argument from some people that we should be totally fine with people breaking hundreds of years of socially proper behavior.

If a woman walks nude into a shopping mall (pretty analogous to the situation of a privately owned park open to the public), no, it isn't the biggest deal in the world. It's also not appropriate behavior, and is also very unusual behavior. Noting that it is unusual and inappropriate isn't the same thing as saying nudity is unusual and inappropriate, but rather noting that nudity is unusual and inappropriate in that setting. A point which is subjectively true.

[Jackmannii]

And now your "spoon-feeding" to me Let's find out if he's overreating. That reminds me.

For those who've emoted about the classic beauty of the nekkid human (or anyway, female) form - have you taken a good look around you in public lately?

I was picking up supplies at Lowe's this weekend, and while the warm weather wasn't bringing out nudists, there was an awful lot of exposed puffy, wrinkled and sun-scorched skin that, to tell the truth, wasn't all that appetizing to see. There's a biological reason why intimate activities generally take place after dark.

Nature-in-the-buff photo enthusiasts of America - remember that others around you are planning cookouts this holiday weekend. Don't spoil their appetites. :cool:

[Dangerosa]

Never said it was "perfectly OK"; it's just not the end of the world when someone sees a breast.

So what level of OK is it? Obviously this isn't "set off a dirty bomb in Times Square bad" - no one is saying it is.

[Count Blucher]

Hur? Your diatribe about how rude she was at the ticket window was in response to the question "was she cute"? I'm trying to follow the logic there, but there just doesn't seem to be any.

What? You can’t follow the logic that having a nasty and ugly personality directly corresponds to whether someone finds a person cute or not? Exactly how can you not to get that…? You can’t be that shallow.


You got a bunch of responses about how it's just a naked person, how it's not that huge a deal, and how you're overreacting.

No, there were one or two reactions by people who were not yet aware that it was a family oriented area where it was inappropriate to have an adult photography session, where it was not posted that there was to be an adult photography session shot, where in fact where the shoot was done against the permission and the express wishes of the owners of the park. Of course it seemed like a lot more posts, since you kept re-posting one of those posts over and over like a broken record.

Such reasonable person might also presume that the whole issue of the woman's rudeness actually was supposed to have something to do with this.

There was nothing reasonable in any of your posts in this thread in either fact or deed, but please go on…

And now your "spoon-feeding" :rolleyes: to me the information that you were responding to the question "was she cute" renders your point even less comprehensible.

Here comes the big airplane…open wide, lowbrass… Jerk model and jerk photographer, at a family recreation area, during one of the first heavy weekend of tourist season, selfishly strips & shoots nude pictures regardless of the wishes of anyone else involved or the fact that it is a place completely geared towards family and children. They did this w/o without permission of the owners and against the specific instructions of the owners. They knew this wasn’t an innocent mistake by the fact that they left the park fairly quickly after they were exposed, burning rubber in the process. No amount of postings by the ‘get over it’ offenderatti change this fact.

Now don’t swim for 20 minutes or you’ll get cramps.

[Dangerosa]

That reminds me.

For those who've emoted about the classic beauty of the nekkid human (or anyway, female) form - have you taken a good look around you in public lately?

I was picking up supplies at Lowe's this weekend, and while the warm weather wasn't bringing out nudists, there was an awful lot of exposed puffy, wrinkled and sun-scorched skin that, to tell the truth, wasn't all that appetizing to see. There's a biological reason why intimate activities generally take place after dark.

Nature-in-the-buff photo enthusiasts of America - remember that others around you are planning cookouts this holiday weekend. Don't spoil their appetites. :cool:

Reminds me of most people's first exposure to nude beaches.

"Hey, we are in the Carribean, there is a nude beach on this island, lets go check it out."

"So what did you think of the nude beach?"

"Those people were old and ugly."

I suspect there is a conspiracy of lumpy middle aged German women (with facial hair) and their equally attractive husbands who hang out on nude beaches in the Carribean just for the value of teaching American tourists that nude people, in general, do not belong in Playboy photo spreads. Yes, even lumpy German women with facial hair have their own beauty, but its hard to see that when they are nude and picking up shells on the beach.

[Lute Skywatcher]

There was nothing reasonable in any of your posts in this thread in either fact or deedI suggest you read some of this person's other Pit posts. Being unreasonable is the norm.

[lowbrass]

What? You can’t follow the logic that having a nasty and ugly personality directly corresponds to whether someone finds a person cute or not? Exactly how can you not to get that…? You can’t be that shallow.

Buh? Gettin' a big whiff of straw here.


No, there were one or two reactions by people who were not yet aware that it was a family oriented area where it was inappropriate to have an adult photography session, where it was not posted that there was to be an adult photography session shot, where in fact where the shoot was done against the permission and the express wishes of the owners of the park. Of course it seemed like a lot more posts, since you kept re-posting one of those posts over and over like a broken record.

Uh, no, hon - you got blasted for making a big fucking deal about something that wasn't that big a deal. It's a human body - get the fuck over it already.


There was nothing reasonable in any of your posts in this thread in either fact or deed, but please go on…

Whereas throwing a big shit fit because you saw a naked lady hiding behind a tree is perfectly reasonable. Oh, the humanity! Won't someone please think of the children. :rolleyes:

Here comes the big airplane…open wide, lowbrass… Jerk model and jerk photographer, at a family recreation area, during one of the first heavy weekend of tourist season, selfishly strips & shoots nude pictures regardless of the wishes of anyone else involved or the fact that it is a place completely geared towards family and children. They did this w/o without permission of the owners and against the specific instructions of the owners. They knew this wasn’t an innocent mistake by the fact that they left the park fairly quickly after they were exposed, burning rubber in the process. No amount of postings by the ‘get over it’ offenderatti change this fact.

Yeah, got it the first time. You're completely bent out of shape because you saw a boob. Personally, I think you are a boob.


Now don’t swim for 20 minutes or you’ll get cramps.
Wow, that's awfully clever.

[lowbrass]

I suggest you read some of this person's other Pit posts. Being unreasonable is the norm.
Oh great, my own personal internet stalker. You wouldn't know "reasonable" if it bit you in the ass, Lute.

[lowbrass]

I've read all the posts here and never once saw someone say it was the end of the world.

That's funny, because I never once saw anyone say it was "totally fine":

I'm not sure why there's this consistent argument from some people that we should be totally fine with people breaking hundreds of years of socially proper behavior.


Do you even listen to yourself?

[lowbrass]

Also....

No, there were one or two reactions by people who were not yet aware that it was a family oriented area where it was inappropriate to have an adult photography session, where it was not posted that there was to be an adult photography session shot, where in fact where the shoot was done against the permission and the express wishes of the owners of the park. Of course it seemed like a lot more posts, since you kept re-posting one of those posts over and over like a broken record.


I count AT LEAST 10 people who were of the general opinion that you overreacted. And I could be wrong, but I didn't see ANYONE who said what happened was perfectly acceptable; only that you overreacted.

[Jophiel]

Just wanted to support the OP. I have an eight year old boy and I wouldn't have wanted to stumble across that on our nature hike either. For the record, my kid has been to museums and know about how babies are made but that doesn't mean that I leave Playboy on the coffee table for him to flip through. As long as he's my young child, I'd like to decide the circumstances of his being exposed to nudity. There's a time & place for it and "public nature trail in broad daylight" is neither.

I don't see any over-reaction on the part of the OP. Hustling his kid off out of sight and giving the people who were breaking the rules the stinkeye isn't exactly "end of the world" kind of stuff. Maybe his post contained a bit of venom but I had thought that was standard in attempting to make an entertaining Pit read.

[Musicat]

I can see why you might have been embarassed, Count Blucher. But if you had any questions, I'm sure your 10yo son would have been able to answer them, so don't be shy. Speak right up.

[Martin Hyde]

That's funny, because I never once saw anyone say it was "totally fine":

And what's the have to do with anything said in this thread? No one, including you, has said it is totally fine; my assertion was you feel people should be "totally fine" with this kind of stuff, not that you thought the behavior was in and of itself totally fine I base this on your repeated claims that the OP is overreacting or should "get over it."

However, when you said "Never said it was "perfectly OK"; it's just not the end of the world when someone sees a breast." It was pretty clear you were saying that the general tone of the OP, or someone in the thread was that "this was the end of the world." It was hyperbolic overstatement based only on some extreme imbalance in your psyche and not based on anything posted in this thread by anyone.

The part where you describe the OP as "having a shit fit" is also representative of how stupid you are. There's no evidence to support you saying that. From what I can tell, your big motivation here is making hyperbolic, antagonist, bullshit statements because it pisses you off the OP has some general distaste for people posing in the nude in a privately owned, family-oriented park.

Such is your distaste that it's lead you to say the OP has had "a shit fit" (when he most certainly hasn't, he's behaved fairly rationally, you've behaved like a mouth-breathing, brain damaged lunatic) as well as to rebut the claim (that no one even remotely made) that nudity was the "biggest deal in the world."

There was an incident around here a few years ago where a woman was actually running through a mall nude, it made the local papers and even got some humorous attention throughout parts of the net. People taking note of stuff like this, or even mildly complaining about it is not some great hatred of nudity or an inability to "get over" nudity, it's more an interest or dislike for outrageous and inappropriate behavior. Nudity in many settings isn't normal, it's bizarre, and bizarre things are worth mentioning, bizarre things which are likewise inappropriate in context are worth mentioning and possibly complaining about when they are being perpetrated by individuals. Are they worth having a shit fit over? No, but no one has had a shit fit here, other than you.

[Martin Hyde]

I count AT LEAST 10 people who were of the general opinion that you overreacted. And I could be wrong, but I didn't see ANYONE who said what happened was perfectly acceptable; only that you overreacted.

And those people are off-base, the Count Blucher barely reacted at all. Posting on the forums to complain about something isn't actually much of a reaction, from his account he didn't confront or react outlandishly at all during the incident itself.

Posting about general displeasure about an event can't really be construed as "overreacting", it can be construed as what about 50% of the pit threads are about.

[Evil Captor]

Just wanted to support the OP. I have an eight year old boy and I wouldn't have wanted to stumble across that on our nature hike either. For the record, my kid has been to museums and know about how babies are made but that doesn't mean that I leave Playboy on the coffee table for him to flip through. As long as he's my young child, I'd like to decide the circumstances of his being exposed to nudity. There's a time & place for it and "public nature trail in broad daylight" is neither.

The problem I have with "time and place for "it" is that when you actually start making inquiries, the time is "never" and the place is "nowhere."

So, what's the right time and place, Jophiel?

[Jophiel]

The problem I have with "time and place for "it" is that when you actually start making inquiries, the time is "never" and the place is "nowhere."

So, what's the right time and place, Jophiel?In reference to nude photography: some place private and at a time when the public won't be wandering by? Mid-day on a public trail doesn't fit either of those criteria. Many, many other locations do.

It's not really rocket science.

[lowbrass]

I'm not sure why there's this consistent argument from some people that we should be totally fine with people breaking hundreds of years of socially proper behavior.



And what's the have to do with anything said in this thread? No one, including you, has said it is totally fine; my assertion was you feel people should be "totally fine" with this kind of stuff, not that you thought the behavior was in and of itself totally fine I base this on your repeated claims that the OP is overreacting or should "get over it."

Whatever obscure distinction you think you are making exists only in your mind. I neither said it IS totally fine, nor did I say people should BE totally fine with it.(whatever the hell your think the difference is).

I, and the 10+ others who responded, are simply saying that the OP overreacted.


The part where you describe the OP as "having a shit fit" is also representative of how stupid you are. There's no evidence to support you saying that. From what I can tell, your big motivation here is making hyperbolic, antagonist, bullshit statements because it pisses you off the OP has some general distaste for people posing in the nude in a privately owned, family-oriented park.

From what I can tell, your big motivation here is making hyperbolic, antagonist, bullshit statements because it pisses you off the OP has some general distaste for people posing in the nude in a privately owned, family-oriented park.

Such is your distaste that it's lead you to say the OP has had "a shit fit" (when he most certainly hasn't, he's behaved fairly rationally, you've behaved like a mouth-breathing, brain damaged lunatic) as well as to rebut the claim (that no one even remotely made) that nudity was the "biggest deal in the world."

There was an incident around here a few years ago where a woman was actually running through a mall nude, it made the local papers and even got some humorous attention throughout parts of the net. People taking note of stuff like this, or even mildly complaining about it is not some great hatred of nudity or an inability to "get over" nudity, it's more an interest or dislike for outrageous and inappropriate behavior. Nudity in many settings isn't normal, it's bizarre, and bizarre things are worth mentioning, bizarre things which are likewise inappropriate in context are worth mentioning and possibly complaining about when they are being perpetrated by individuals. Are they worth having a shit fit over? No, but no one has had a shit fit here, other than you.
Hmmm...yes, well we wouldn't want to make any hyperbolic, antagonistic statements here, would we? :rolleyes:

[lowbrass]

I don't see any over-reaction on the part of the OP. Hustling his kid off out of sight and giving the people who were breaking the rules the stinkeye isn't exactly "end of the world" kind of stuff. Maybe his post contained a bit of venom but I had thought that was standard in attempting to make an entertaining Pit read.
Maybe a little confusion here. I understood most of the comments to mean that the pit thread is an over-reaction, not that Blucher over-reacted at the time. Could be that people are talking past each other.

[Raygun99]

Which quite frankly, strikes me as the silliest distinction ever. "You reacted appropriately at the time, but later on, you expressed your frustration with that incident on an Internet message board where the subjects of the rant are likely to never see it or know that it has been expressed! Why don't you take it easy on them!"

[lowbrass]

Which quite frankly, strikes me as the silliest distinction ever. "You reacted appropriately at the time, but later on, you expressed your frustration with that incident on an Internet message board where the subjects of the rant are likely to never see it or know that it has been expressed! Why don't you take it easy on them!"
But I don't think anybody said "Why don't you take it easy on them", either literally or by implication. I think that's your misreading. The responses were simply reactions to the ire expressed in the OP. In other words, not "We think you acted inappropriately", but rather "We think you are too upset about an incident that wasn't that big a deal". Dunno, seems like a pretty valid distinction to me.

[Rilchiam]

There was an incident around here a few years ago where a woman was actually running through a mall nude, it made the local papers and even got some humorous attention throughout parts of the net. People taking note of stuff like this, or even mildly complaining about it is not some great hatred of nudity or an inability to "get over" nudity, it's more an interest or dislike for outrageous and inappropriate behavior. Nudity in many settings isn't normal, it's bizarre, and bizarre things are worth mentioning, bizarre things which are likewise inappropriate in context are worth mentioning and possibly complaining about when they are being perpetrated by individuals.

My sister and BIL live and work in Vegas. Between them, they've seen two separate incidences of men streaking and another separate incidence of a woman flashing. Because one man and the woman had run through all their money, and were exposing themselves in exchange for $100 or so. The other guy was just drunk in the bar.

RilchSis: "And this is why you shouldn't bring kids to Vegas...What, Rilch? Yeah, they'd probably laugh at a naked guy. But I wouldn't want to have to explain why he was doing it. Kids don't have to know that there are people who get so drunk they don't know what they're doing. Or that there are people who will spend everything they have in the casinos, and have to degrade themselves for money to get home."

I was on the side of "Eh, seeing a boob won't scar him," until the OP recounted the wannabe Larry Flynt as saying "Shake it for Daddy," or whatever he'd been saying. That attitude automatically makes a photo shoot lewd, regardless of what anyone looks like. If it had really been a "beautful setting, back to nature, bodies are beautiful" setting, bystanders would have taken little notice if any. But it sounds like they were just making a scene, and it would have been a scene even if the subject had been fully clothed, or at least still wearing her bikini.

And as far as only beautiful people being allowed to be publically nude, I guess no one's seen Calendar Girls (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0337909/)!

[Jophiel]

In other words, not "We think you acted inappropriately", but rather "We think you are too upset about an incident that wasn't that big a deal". Dunno, seems like a pretty valid distinction to me.*Shrug*, he was told he was "over reacting".

As long as one's sole response is an internet message board post, I don't think it can ever be considered "over reacting". Besing peeved and making a post about something seems like a perfectly acceptable response to me. I guess you're saying people just wanted to crap on his thread because they wouldn't have ever cared if that happened so how dare someone make a thread about it.

Which sure seems like "over reacting" to me :D

[lowbrass]

*Shrug*, he was told he was "over reacting".

As long as one's sole response is an internet message board post, I don't think it can ever be considered "over reacting". Besing peeved and making a post about something seems like a perfectly acceptable response to me. I guess you're saying people just wanted to crap on his thread because they wouldn't have ever cared if that happened so how dare someone make a thread about it.

Which sure seems like "over reacting" to me :D
I don't see how disagreeing with someone is "crapping on their thread". I agree with you - whoever said "how dare you make a thread about it" was wrong. Who was it who said that? ;)

I mean, this is getting silly. Since when are we not allowed to disagree with someone else's viewpoint?

[Jophiel]

I mean, this is getting silly.Oh, it was silly many, many posts ago.

[Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor]

And yet, we still have no lasciviously-detailed description of the young woman.

How our standards are declining...tsk-tsk-tsk.

[Lute Skywatcher]

Oh great, my own personal internet stalker. You wouldn't know "reasonable" if it bit you in the ass, Lute.Blow me.

[kidchameleon]

Blow me.

Well, that would be pornography.

[DSeid]

Y'know Kid, when I saw your name as the last post I had half expected you to be taking umbrage at the op insulting her being a size 2!



:)

[kidchameleon]

Y'know Kid, when I saw your name as the last post I had half expected you to be taking umbrage at the op insulting her being a size 2!



:)

That was an insult? :eek: :D

Now if he'd said, "I'm outraged because the model was a size 2, how can I explain to my son that real women have curves?", why there'd be a nasty and poorly written reply or two, I'll tell you!

[lowbrass]

Blow me.
No thanks.

[Antinor01]

I had hoped not to have to use phrases like 'please ignore the naked tart behind the birch tree'.

Sounds like an educational experience to me. You got to show him what a birch tree is and how to identify it.

[Trans Fat Og]

Naked women != porn unless you're amazingly uptight. Given the setting -- a waterfall -- my first impression would be that the photographer was aiming for, if not art, certainly not sleaze.

Well, yeah, I don't see it as necessarily going for porno either.

But... doesn't it all depend on what use the waterfall - perhaps a small splash-off, actually - was going to be used for? ;)

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