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Don't Call Me Shirley
05-30-2007, 09:19 AM
I think by now it is pretty well established that Bush has done some serious damage to this country both at home and abroad. Thousands upon thousands of threads have discussed this; but as my mom always said, there's no use complaining about something if you're not trying to make it better.

So, what do you think the next president should do to repair some of the damage? What should the priorities be? Here are some ideas of mine, in no particular order:

Get out of, or at least drastically alter our military's role in, Iraq

Get rid of the Department of Homeland Security

Work with, instead of against, the UN

UN reform

Change the prescription drug benefit into something besides a straight giveaway to the pharmaceutical industry

Fiscal responsibility

Firing all the horse judges and replacing them with people who actually have some experience in the area that their federal agency is supposed to cover

Reestablish some government oversight of industry

Sensible energy policy written by someone other that energy company executives

I could go on and on. What are your ideas? BTW, if you disagree with my premise that Bush has done serious damage to the country, feel free to take me to the pit. But I don't really want this thread to turn into an argument about Bush. I know that may not be possible when discussing what his successor should fix, but I thought I'd give it a shot.

Apos
05-30-2007, 09:26 AM
Work with, instead of against, the UN

UN reform

Pretty much mutually incompatible. Until we are ready to actually confront nations like, say, China, on their bullshit, the UN is basically going to remain a venue for largely superfluous and meaningless yammering for the time being.

Mosier
05-30-2007, 09:30 AM
The best thing that could happen for America (and the world!) is a substantial decrease in the size of the American military. Substantial meaning more on the lines of a percentage of government revenue similar to other countries. The stronger the military is compared to our "rivals" the more tempting it becomes to use it to conquer and occupy foreign nations.

The size of the military isn't Bush's fault, though. If I had to choose from only things that he screwed up, the highest priority would be Iraq. Among domestic issues, I'm probably most annoyed by his education reforms. No child left behind is a pretty broken system, created by a panel that included not a single educator.

Of all the lies he's told us, though, the most disappointing one was when he almost convinced me he was serious about another moon landing, and the potential for a permanent moon base.

Mosier
05-30-2007, 09:33 AM
Pretty much mutually incompatible. Until we are ready to actually confront nations like, say, China, on their bullshit, the UN is basically going to remain a venue for largely superfluous and meaningless yammering for the time being.

What bullshit? Their military is increasing, but they've shown a lot more restraint in international affairs than we have.

Little Nemo
05-30-2007, 10:45 AM
Rebuild FEMA and our other federal disaster relief programs.

Reform our veterans care program.

marshmallow
05-30-2007, 12:47 PM
Some of these changes would require a friendly Congress and are beyond the reach of a president, but I can still fantasize:

Change the warrantless wiretapping program so it's in compliance with FISA.

Purge the appointed "Bushies" (their term, not mine) and call back as many of the competent people who were fired or who resigned in protest.

Open up actual, serious dialogue with Iran.

Make way more nuclear plants.

Dramatically reduce our nuclear weapon stockpile. We obviously still need some, maybe a thousand or you know, enough to turn an entire continent into glass, but the amount we have now and their cost is just obscene.

Steadily cut back military funding to a sane level, introduce counter insurgency training.

Attempt to lure as many Arab speakers into the intelligence services as possible, even if they’re gayer than Richard Simmons.

Do something with our schools. I don't know what, but I'd try to get people who know what they're talking about to help. Introduce more college monies.

It looks like the FDA needs some reforming.

Do as much as I can to make socialized health insurance a possibility.

Fix crumbling infrastructure, especially our electrical lines. This one would be a bit pricey.

Bush has signed so many bad laws. We'd have to go through with a team and attempt to get rid of 'em -- especially the ones which expand executive power and harm the environment.

scotandrsn
05-30-2007, 01:13 PM
Before anything else:

Secure all points of entry into the United States of America, borders, coasts, ports, international airports. Shoulda been done 5 years ago, and still hasn't been.

Fiver
05-30-2007, 01:55 PM
Before anything else:

Secure all points of entry into the United States of America, borders, coasts, ports, international airports. Shoulda been done 5 years ago, and still hasn't been.Yes, yes, let's do that. And at the same time, let's build a shield over U.S. airspace that makes it impervious to neutrinos.

lonih
05-30-2007, 02:30 PM
Can't we have him quarantined by the Health Department? Perhaps "for observation" at Camp X-ray.

BrainGlutton
05-30-2007, 04:03 PM
Do something with our schools. I don't know what, but I'd try to get people who know what they're talking about to help.

As with many other problems, the first step there should be to look at how foreign countries whose educational systems outperform ours are doing it.

But for some reason Americans never seem to think they have anything to learn from foreigners. (The Japanese are much smarter in that regard, xenophobic as they are.)

Richard Parker
05-30-2007, 05:17 PM
As with many other problems, the first step there should be to look at how foreign countries whose educational systems outperform ours are doing it.

But for some reason Americans never seem to think they have anything to learn from foreigners. (The Japanese are much smarter in that regard, xenophobic as they are.)

I don't think the comparisons to other countries are especially useful. Many cross-national studies do not compare similar populations (e.g. the TIMSS compared some types of learning disabled students in the States who are not included in the Japanese version). But more importantly, many of the problems in US education are social and not pedagogical--family issues, violence, drugs, etc. Can you cite a single study that suggests that when you control for socio-economic issues and test similar groups of students that the US is underperforming?

scotandrsn
05-30-2007, 05:56 PM
Yes, yes, let's do that. And at the same time, let's build a shield over U.S. airspace that makes it impervious to neutrinos.

You seem to have "securing" confused with "closing off and boarding up".

Der Trihs
05-30-2007, 06:09 PM
You seem to have "securing" confused with "closing off and boarding up".The point he/she is likely making is that it can't practically be done. And even trying would be horrendously expensive, and fail anyway.

BrainGlutton
05-30-2007, 06:12 PM
The point he/she is likely making is that it can't practically be done. And even trying would be horrendously expensive, and fail anyway.

Of course it can be done! Look at the Maginot Line! Errr . . . Look at the Great Wall of China! . . . wait . . .

BrainGlutton
05-30-2007, 06:22 PM
I don't think the comparisons to other countries are especially useful. Many cross-national studies do not compare similar populations (e.g. the TIMSS compared some types of learning disabled students in the States who are not included in the Japanese version). But more importantly, many of the problems in US education are social and not pedagogical--family issues, violence, drugs, etc. Can you cite a single study that suggests that when you control for socio-economic issues and test similar groups of students that the US is underperforming?

No, but here's a fairly new online journal (http://www.wwwords.co.uk/rcie/) devoted to comparative and international education research, particularly the methodological problems.

Larry Borgia
05-30-2007, 06:26 PM
How about a real program aimed at reducing the risk of terror. Use diplomacy and intelligence to account for and reduce the number of loose nukes, the only way Al-qaeda could even become close to an existential threat. Implement the reccomendations of the 9/11 comission. (Despite their promises, the dems have dropped the ball on this.) Get rid of Homeland security and concentrate on improving communication between the CIA and the FBI, lack of which allowed 9/11. Push for a real peace between Israel and Palestine, including the establishment of a Palestinian state not under Israeli military control. Get the hell out of Iraq, with a sincere apology and financial reparations for devastating their country.

Take simple steps to address global warming. Increased non-carbon emitting power, nuclear or "alternative," or why not both. Apply strict emissions standards to SUV's. Encourage use of hybrids and institute a gas tax.

Fiver
05-30-2007, 08:42 PM
The point he/she is likely making is that it can't practically be done. And even trying would be horrendously expensive, and fail anyway.She, just for the record. Otherwise you are correct.

Intravenus De Milo
05-30-2007, 10:50 PM
Here's something I'd like to see happen: slash the tax breaks for Big Oil and maybe give a portion of them to the fast food producers as an incentive for donating their used "zero-trans-fat! :D " cooking grease to the biodiesel (http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/altfuel/biodiesel.html) industry.

Least Original User Name Ever
05-31-2007, 12:50 AM
Turn the Department of Defense into a department that deals strictly with just that: defending the populace. Defending the populace does not equal preemptive wars and defending the populace doesn't necessarily jive with a lot of current military project spending.

scotandrsn
05-31-2007, 06:45 AM
The point he/she is likely making is that it can't practically be done. And even trying would be horrendously expensive, and fail anyway.

Meh. Same goes for half the stuff in this thread.

BrainGlutton
05-31-2007, 11:16 AM
Take simple steps to address global warming. Increased non-carbon emitting power, nuclear or "alternative," or why not both. Apply strict emissions standards to SUV's. Encourage use of hybrids and institute a gas tax.

Plus new nuclear power plants, urban streetcar and light-rail transit, and interurban high-speed rail. (http://www.newtrains.org/pages/354049/index.htm)

alphaboi867
05-31-2007, 11:56 AM
The best thing that could happen for America (and the world!) is a substantial decrease in the size of the American military...

Or increase the size of the regular Army and Reserves so that the National Guard is actually available for domestic emergencies.

Loach
05-31-2007, 12:10 PM
Or increase the size of the regular Army and Reserves so that the National Guard is actually available for domestic emergencies.

:rolleyes: The main function of the National Guard is as a reserve force for combat units of the army. The National Guard has always been made up of combat arms units such as armor, infantry and artillery. There is no sandbag filler or snowstorm transporter MOS. The guard does not train year round on tactics and combat techniques in case of the next hurricane. I was not made an armor officer in the guard because my M1 might be needed to rescue a kitten during a flood. We are combat troops. That is what we are here for. We are also here to help with disasters as the governor deems necessary. The combat support units are mostly in the Army Reserve.

Bush did not do this.

AtomicDog
05-31-2007, 04:25 PM
Frogmarching him out of the White House in handcuffs works for me...