What to do in Milwaukee?? Lavern and Shirley Brewery?

[Phlosphr]

Leaving for Milwaukee in a few days what shouldn't I miss? Is it too far to drive to Chicago? I have relatives there. If it is too far for a day trip forget it... What should I see in Milwaukee Museums? Attractions? Lavern and Shirley Brewery?

[N9IWP]

Well, Marquette University has Tolkien's original manuscript of LOTR and The Hobbit (ands some other stuff). My favorite was the moon phase and travel calculator on the back of Oxford luch menus.

Brian

[hekk]

Chicago is about 1.5 hours away, an easy day trip.

As for what to do, this has a lot to do with your interests.

Brewery tours:
Miller (http://www.planet99.com/milwaukee/tour/5587.html)
Sprecher (http://www.sprecherbrewery.com/tours.php)
(both include free beer)

Museums:
Milwaukee Public Museum (www.mpm.edu) is okay...
but the new Discovery World Museum (www.discoveryworld.org) looks freakin' awesome, but I've never been.
Obligatory Art Museum recommendation (www.mam.org), it has this Calatrava designed moving art deal thing in the front that is waaaaaaaay overrated.

And much more, but that really depends on what you want to do, and where your interests lie...

[Phlosphr]

Well, Marquette University has Tolkien's original manuscript of LOTR and The Hobbit (ands some other stuff). My favorite was the moon phase and travel calculator on the back of Oxford luch menus.

Brian
:eek:

OMG! I will take pictures of that if they allow. I wonder if I can touch it. It would completely trump my other reasons for being there. :D

[N9IWP]

They don't allow close up photography (copyright reasons). There is some stuff on display (cases of framed), most is on microfilm. We wnet as a group and Matt brought out some of the stuff. Wouldn't hurt emialing him to see what you can arrange.

http://www.marquette.edu/library/collections/archives/tolkien.html

Brian

[Phlosphr]

WOW- Thank you very much! I will let you know what happens. :)

[Qadgop the Mercotan]

WOW- Thank you very much! I will let you know what happens. :)
If you get something set up, can I tag along?

[NurseCarmen]

My old college pal was born and raised in in Milwaukee. She claims that Milwaukee has seven smells. You could try to track them all down.

[cmkeller]

The Clown Hall of Fame is in nearby West Allis.

[Zebra]

Do the scary clowns have their own hall of fame or is it just a wing of this one?

[Critical Mass]

Maybe not for everyone, but if I was looking for things to do in Miwaukee, I would take a tour of the Harley Davidson manufacturing plant.

[Miss Purl McKnittington]

Do the scary clowns have their own hall of fame or is it just a wing of this one?
Well, all clowns are scary, so I guess you could say that the entire thing is a salute to terror. This is also the place where professional clowns have their faces registered, through being painted on eggs. (I think it's eggs; it might actually be plates.)

I'm by no means suggesting you visit all these places in a single week. I think you'd go mad trying.

If you like airplanes/aeronautics, there's The Mitchell Gallery of Flight (http://www.mitchellgallery.org/), an aviation museum. It's in General Mitchell International Airport. It showcases the contributions Wisconsin Residents have made to aviation. General William Mitchell, the guy it's named after, grew up in Milwaukee and is considered the father of the U.S. Air Force.

The Bristol Renaissance Faire (www.renfair.com/bristol/index.php) runs until Labor Day, Saturdays and Sundays, and it's about an hour drive from Milwaukee.

I was going to recommend The Hoard Historical Museum and Nation Dairy Shrine (http://www.hoardmuseum.org), because I felt honor-bound to do so, but I see they're closed and under construction this summer. Bummer. It's in Fort Atkinson, should you feel moved to return once the construction is finished. ;)

The Pabst Mansion (http://www.pabstmansion.com/) is pretty cool. Basically, it's a huge mansion built by a beer baron, that was nearly razed for a parking lot in the '70s, and finally purchased by folks with historical preservation in mind. Bizarre, bizarre antler chandelier (http://www.pabstmansion.com/phototour/2.html) in the foyer. The main attractions are the oppulence of the place and the art collection. Oh, and the Pabst Archives, but I don't know of how much interest they'd be to a casual visitor.

Along the lakeshore, Villa Terrace Decorative Arts Museum (http://www.cavtmuseums.org/vt/home.html) is another mansion turned museum. It has a huge formal garden and lots of art.

Old World Wisconsin (http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/oww) is about forty minutes from Milwaukee, and it basically recreates 19th-century rural life in Wisconsin -- frontier life. Check out the website. There are lots of exhibits and events.

Milwaukee also has The Black Holocaust Museum (http://www.blackholocaustmuseum.org/), which I'm pretty much offering up as an information point, as it's closed Aug. 19-24 this year for summer break.

[Phlosphr]

If you get something set up, can I tag along?
I can email or IM you when I arrive and we can go from there. My wife is an equally voracious Tolkien fan and will be with me. :)
I'm actually staying in Brown Deer - I think that's just a burb of Milwaukee though.

[Uncommon Sense]

If August West pops in, he can tell you a little about his Brewery which is only a few minutes from Brown Deer. How long will you be in town and when?

If you want to browse some websites ahead of time then check out onmilwaukee.com.

There is also a neat auto museum in Hartford which is only a half hour from BD.

[Qadgop the Mercotan]

I can email or IM you when I arrive and we can go from there. My wife is an equally voracious Tolkien fan and will be with me. :)
I'm actually staying in Brown Deer - I think that's just a burb of Milwaukee though.
Cool, thanks!

Try to visit Larry's Market while you're in Brown Deer. It's a tiny yet upscale specialty grocery which caters to the rich folks in nearby River Hills. Their selection of cheeses, olive oils, and pastas are out of this world!!

The River Lane Inn in Brown Deer has some of the best seafood in the state, too.

[Harmonious Discord]

While in the Milwaukee area heading towards Elkhorn, keep your camera ready for the Beast of Bray Road. You may feel safer, if you think it's a descendant of a troup of dancing bears escaped from a Delavan circus.

http://www.cnb-scene.com/brayupdate.html

[Phlosphr]

Cool, thanks!

Try to visit Larry's Market while you're in Brown Deer. It's a tiny yet upscale specialty grocery which caters to the rich folks in nearby River Hills. Their selection of cheeses, olive oils, and pastas are out of this world!!

The River Lane Inn in Brown Deer has some of the best seafood in the state, too.
If things go as planned I'll be able to be at Marquette sometime on Tuesday. The trip is for business but we'll see. Wow! Tolkien's original manuscript. I'm going to make every effort to get there.

[Qadgop the Mercotan]

If things go as planned I'll be able to be at Marquette sometime on Tuesday. The trip is for business but we'll see. Wow! Tolkien's original manuscript. I'm going to make every effort to get there.
Sadly, I must work all week, an hour from Milwaukee. But if the timing is right, I'm willing to blow off a bit of the afternoon to drive there.

It's really mind-boggling to see JRRT's original, hand-drawn title page to his sequel to "The Hobbit".

At first, he titled it "The Magic Ring" in that spidery handwriting of his. Then he drew a line through it, and under that, he wrote "The Lord of the Rings".

And the original artwork of his is amazing!

I hope you get the chance to see it, at any rate!

[Phlosphr]

Sadly, I must work all week, an hour from Milwaukee. But if the timing is right, I'm willing to blow off a bit of the afternoon to drive there.

It's really mind-boggling to see JRRT's original, hand-drawn title page to his sequel to "The Hobbit".

At first, he titled it "The Magic Ring" in that spidery handwriting of his. Then he drew a line through it, and under that, he wrote "The Lord of the Rings".

And the original artwork of his is amazing!

I hope you get the chance to see it, at any rate!
I cannot wait! I am very excited. I'm only going to be 1/2 mile from Larry's Market, I'll post a review when I get back. Also, I just got on their website, and am impressed they already have the specials menu for the coming week already posted on a Sunday! Very nice!

[Walloon]

International Clown Hall of Fame (http://www.theclownmuseum.org/), in the Milwaukee suburb of West Allis.

[Joey P]

And since no one else answered your other question. Chicago is an easy day trip. From Brown Deer it's probably a little over 90 minutes each way.

[Joey P]

My old college pal was born and raised in in Milwaukee. She claims that Milwaukee has seven smells. You could try to track them all down.
I don't know about seven smells, but we got "seven bridges".

[Joey P]

If August West pops in, he can tell you a little about his Brewery which is only a few minutes from Brown Deer. How long will you be in town and when?
Since I don't want to resurrect the other thread, I'll tell August West here....
August...I like beer now!
...Well, I like it a whole hell of lot more then I did a few weeks ago.

[Walloon]

And since no one else answered your other question. Chicago is an easy day trip. From Brown Deer it's probably a little over 90 minutes each way.See post #3, above.

[Joey P]

See post #3, above.
Well. in that case, change "Since no one answered your question" to "I agree with hekk"

[Uncommon Sense]

I cannot wait! I am very excited. I'm only going to be 1/2 mile from Larry's Market, I'll post a review when I get back. Also, I just got on their website, and am impressed they already have the specials menu for the coming week already posted on a Sunday! Very nice!
Where are you going to be? I can swing by and drop off some Kringle (breakfast treat) and/or some other local food goodies. I drive through BD twice a day to and from work. How bout a bottle of homemade wine?, I think I've got three or four left here (more like three or four dozen!). :cool:
Consider it a Milwaukee Doper care package...

[Ottoerotic]

You could catch a baseball game at Miller Park. IMHO its worth going just to see the stadium, Its also a great place to go if you enjoy watching home teams consistently blow a 5+ lead in the 9th inning.

[Phlosphr]

Well let's see I'm at the jobsite right now, right down the street from Milwaukee Public Museum. I'll check in later with how the day starts to unfold.

[Bayard]

I cannot wait! I am very excited. I'm only going to be 1/2 mile from Larry's Market, I'll post a review when I get back. Also, I just got on their website, and am impressed they already have the specials menu for the coming week already posted on a Sunday! Very nice!
If you're in Brown Deer, you can see my in-laws' house. My wife grew up there! OK, so that's not interesting to anyone but me and the missus. But, if you want to go to a fun bar in downtown Milwaukee, there's the Safe House (link (http://www.safe-house.com)). It's a spy-themed place that you get to by an unmarked door in an alley. It's a cool place, with lots of fun stuff like a secret exit that you get to through the phone booth.

Have fun!

[Lamar Mundane]

But, if you want to go to a fun bar in downtown Milwaukee, there's the Safe House (link (http://www.safe-house.com)). It's a spy-themed place that you get to by an unmarked door in an alley. It's a cool place, with lots of fun stuff like a secret exit that you get to through the phone booth.

Have fun!
Safe House - uhg. It is a bar to go to on your 21st birthday and never again. Save your money and go to a McDonald's Playland instead.

[Bayard]

Safe House - uhg. It is a bar to go to on your 21st birthday and never again. Save your money and go to a McDonald's Playland instead.
Your words wound me. I was there maybe 5-6 years ago (I was over 21), and thought it was good, geeky fun.

[Uncommon Sense]

Your words wound me. I was there maybe 5-6 years ago (I was over 21), and thought it was good, geeky fun.
It is.

I think Larry is upset because he didn't know the password and had to jump through hoops to get in the place. Then he found out that everyone in the bar could see the silliness on the closed circuit TV's. Right? ;)

[Ellen Cherry]

I enjoyed eating at Three Brothers Restaurant when I was in Milwaukee. I toddled over to the OnMilwaukee (http://www.onmilwaukee.com/dining/) web site to check the name, and lo and behold I see a review!

The restaurant features authentic Serbian food, and it's located in "an historic triangular Schlitz tavern." These taverns, we were told, were built by the brewery back in the day to sell their wares.

Three Brothers
2414 S. St. Clair St.
Milwaukee, WI 53207
414-481-7530

[Bayard]

It is.

I think Larry is upset because he didn't know the password and had to jump through hoops to get in the place. Then he found out that everyone in the bar could see the silliness on the closed circuit TV's. Right? ;)
Ah... thanks for backing me up. Thankfully, one of my friends told me the password, so I didn't have to embarass myself to get in.

[Uncommon Sense]

Ah... thanks for backing me up. Thankfully, one of my friends told me the password, so I didn't have to embarass myself to get in.

Yeah, and I quoted the wrong member, I should have said, "Lamar....", not Larry. Don't know where that came from. :smack:

[August West]

Hello!

Is it time for another Doper tour of the brewery? I am willing to host a tour.

For those that don't know I work at a satellite brewery of the Leinenkugel's (http://www.leinie.com) company here in Milwaukee

Late afternoon/early evening works best for me, but I can be flexible.

What dates/times work for everyone, and should I start another thread for it?

[Phlosphr]

Hello!

Is it time for another Doper tour of the brewery? I am willing to host a tour.

For those that don't know I work at a satellite brewery of the Leinenkugel's (http://www.leinie.com) company here in Milwaukee

Late afternoon/early evening works best for me, but I can be flexible.

What dates/times work for everyone, and should I start another thread for it?
Well I am still neck deep in meetings but will post back tonight. I'm in town until Thursday - I may miss a doper get-together. I also don't drink, but that has never stopped me from going out with friends to a local pub...I'll just order something else. I like your town so far, I'm up in Brown Deer and am going to a friends for dinner tonight. If I can sneek out tomorrow I'd like to go to Marquette to see the Tolkien manuscript.

[Joey P]

Hello!

Is it time for another Doper tour of the brewery? I am willing to host a tour.

For those that don't know I work at a satellite brewery of the Leinenkugel's (http://www.leinie.com) company here in Milwaukee

Late afternoon/early evening works best for me, but I can be flexible.

What dates/times work for everyone, and should I start another thread for it?

How late is late afternoon/early evening? As a new beer drinker, I'd be interested. Looks like I'm about an 45 minuets to an hour from Farmington. Is that where the brewery is?

[Uncommon Sense]

How late is late afternoon/early evening? As a new beer drinker, I'd be interested. Looks like I'm about an 45 minuets to an hour from Farmington. Is that where the brewery is?
Uh, no. It's right smack dab in the middle of Milwaukee. Right off the freeway (I-43) and just north of the Marquette interchange. You've seen it a million times. There's a big Leinie logo on the side of the building facing the freeway, that's it.

[August West]

Uncommon nailed it, it's the big place with the big mural. The "old Val Blatz brewery" is how some people remember it.

I know, everyone says "That's a BREWERY?!" Indeed it is.

I would consider late afternoon/ early evening to be between 4:30pm-6:30pm. But like I said, I'm flexible.

[Joey P]

Uncommon nailed it, it's the big place with the big mural. The "old Val Blatz brewery" is how some people remember it.

I know, everyone says "That's a BREWERY?!" Indeed it is.

I would consider late afternoon/ early evening to be between 4:30pm-6:30pm. But like I said, I'm flexible.
Oh, of course, I just read satellite brewery of Liene's in Milwaukee and though it was a different one. Tuff to miss a big mauve building.

[Joey P]

Oh, of course, I just read satellite brewery of Liene's in Milwaukee and though it was a different one. Tuff to miss a big mauve building.
I mentioned this to a friend and he said "oooh, that's all the way in Chippewa Falls, we'll have to make a day out of it"
Now I get it, a satellite of Liene's...in Milwaukee, not a satellite of 'Liene's in Milwaukee." I didn't know the brewery was based elsewhere. I've gotten so used to seeing that mural...I guess I'm just kinda...umm...Milwaukee-ist.

[Boyo Jim]

Sorry I came to this late.

I highly recommend the Milwaukee Art Museum. It is outstanding, and it was a huge surprise to me to find such quality in Milwaukee. I used to work at the Smithsonian and the National Gallery in DC, and I've seen most of the other big art museums in the US, and this is right up there.

But i do agree that the moving architectural "sail" on the building is just a piece of overblown crap.

[Joey P]

Sorry I came to this late.

I highly recommend the Milwaukee Art Museum. It is outstanding, and it was a huge surprise to me to find such quality in Milwaukee. I used to work at the Smithsonian and the National Gallery in DC, and I've seen most of the other big art museums in the US, and this is right up there.

But i do agree that the moving architectural "sail" on the building is just a piece of overblown crap.
And it looks really strange connected to something that could have been designed by Mike Brady at the pinnacle of his career.

[Boyo Jim]

And it looks really strange connected to something that could have been designed by Mike Brady at the pinnacle of his career.

Ooh, where can I find the architectural wonders of the head of the Brady clan?
Well, yes the building is rather strange, can't say as I paid much attention to it, but the art inside is excellent. Actually there is some overemphasis on beer art (my guess would be the Miller being a major donor might be related to that), but that's easy to skip over.

[Joey P]

Well, that took some finding. This is what the Calatrava building is currently attached too. It l

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fei%3DUTF-8%26p%3DEero%2BSaarinen%2BBuilding%2B%26fr%3Dsfp%26b%3D21&w=500&h=375&imgurl=static.flickr.com%2F163%2F417794066_c38c633a08_m.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fjoethelion%2F417794066%2F&size=117.1kB&name=417794066_c38c633a08.jpg&p=Eero+Saarinen+Building&type=jpeg&no=27&tt=117&oid=bfc06f3d5eb1e3ec&fusr=JoetheLion&tit=I+still+like+it&hurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fjoethelion%2F&ei=UTF-8&src=p

[Uncommon Sense]

Plosphr, liking our weather so far? It's not usually this nice.

[Phlosphr]

Plosphr, liking our weather so far? It's not usually this nice.
This is nice? What is it usually like this time of year? I feel like I'm back in CT. :)

[Uncommon Sense]

This is nice? What is it usually like this time of year? I feel like I'm back in CT. :)

Just kidding. You caught the end of the drought. Grass was dead and it was hotter than hades for a few weeks. This is atypical for August, for sure. It's usually about 85 and humid, though being near the lake makes a huge difference.

[Phlosphr]

Just kidding. You caught the end of the drought. Grass was dead and it was hotter than hades for a few weeks. This is atypical for August, for sure. It's usually about 85 and humid, though being near the lake makes a huge difference.
I just want to say to you Land Lubber Big Lake Folk - Very nice indeed! I like your lake a lot! Can't see across it, has an ocean feel without the salt air and you even have sea gulls! :)

[Uncommon Sense]

I just want to say to you Land Lubber Big Lake Folk - Very nice indeed! I like your lake a lot! Can't see across it, has an ocean feel without the salt air and you even have sea gulls! :)
Too bad there isn't squat near the lakeshore to draw people to the lake. Let's see there's the stinky marina, the stinky waste water treatment facility and the museum.
That's about it.

[Walloon]

You're forgetting — the Summerfest grounds! All summer long, one festival after another right by the lake.

[Uncommon Sense]

You're forgetting — the Summerfest grounds! All summer long, one festival after another right by the lake.
Well, sure, that's seasonal. Aside from the art museum, veterans park, and Pieces of Eight there aren't any permanent features that I consider to be attractive to a large number of people. Bradford Beach and the surrounding lake shore could be soooo much more than it is right now. Think of Newport Beach, Daytona, etc. of course not to the same scale, but you have to start somewhere.

[Joey P]

I think the problem is that alot of the beach is at the bottom of a 200 foot bluff. North of the lakefront there are large houses at the top of the bluff. You could probably do something on the south side where I think everything is a bit more level, but that would invovle getting rid of houses, condos and park.

[August West]

Well, sure, that's seasonal. Aside from the art museum, veterans park, and Pieces of Eight there aren't any permanent features that I consider to be attractive to a large number of people.

That Pier Wisconsin deal is supposed to be pretty cool. The Dennis Sullivan is usually there in the summer too.

[Stranger On A Train]

International Clown Hall of Fame (http://www.theclownmuseum.org/), in the Milwaukee suburb of West Allis.That's right, scar the boy for life. I hesitate to quote Maxim magazine, but they were correct in listing it as the worst "attraction" in Milwaukee.

Is there some reason no one has yet mentioned The Safehouse (http://www.safe-house.com/)? You really ought to go with a local, though. I'll also recommened eating at Elsa's, Apollo, and Abu's Jeruselam of the Gold. And stop in at Paddy's off of North Ave. for a drink; you'll have to ask a local or a taxi driver how to find it.

Stranger

[Joey P]

That's right, scar the boy for life. I hesitate to quote Maxim magazine, but they were correct in listing it as the worst "attraction" in Milwaukee.

Is there some reason no one has yet mentioned The Safehouse (http://www.safe-house.com/)? You really ought to go with a local, though. I'll also recommened eating at Elsa's, Apollo, and Abu's Jeruselam of the Gold. And stop in at Paddy's off of North Ave. for a drink; you'll have to ask a local or a taxi driver how to find it.

Stranger
Safehouse was mentioned and shot down. If you want to go to a bar that's hard to find, look for Wolski's. (Besides, it's owned by a friend of mine)
PS Don't look for Wolski's, ask someone how to get there.

[Phlosphr]

Safehouse was mentioned and shot down. If you want to go to a bar that's hard to find, look for Wolski's. (Besides, it's owned by a friend of mine)
PS Don't look for Wolski's, ask someone how to get there.
We're going to some Irish Pub this evening with the corporate jimjam so It'll probably be a hair better than Applebees. But who knows the guy bringin us is a like long Milwaukeeite.

[Bayard]

Is there some reason no one has yet mentioned The Safehouse (http://www.safe-house.com/)? You really ought to go with a local, though.
Ahem... There appears to be wide disagreement regarding the merits of the Safe House. Uncommon Sense and I (and, I take it, you) liked it. Others are less enthusiastic. As my wise father likes to say, "That's why they make chocolate, strawberry, and vanilla." But, I guess YMMV has more of a ring to it than TWTMCSAV.

[Walloon]

Is there some reason no one has yet mentioned The Safehouse (http://www.safe-house.com/)? Good morning, see posts #29, 30, 31, above.

[Uncommon Sense]

Safehouse was mentioned and shot down. If you want to go to a bar that's hard to find, look for Wolski's. (Besides, it's owned by a friend of mine)
PS Don't look for Wolski's, ask someone how to get there.

I closed Wolski's.

[Stranger On A Train]

Safehouse was mentioned and shot down. If you want to go to a bar that's hard to find, look for Wolski's. (Besides, it's owned by a friend of mine)
PS Don't look for Wolski's, ask someone how to get there.The Safehouse is high camp, to be certain, and it's definitely not a local's bar (although I know the original Miss Moneypenny), but if you're touring Milwaukee, it's worth going in just to get your Spy's Demise glass (try to pitch the actual drink) and bring a quarter for the back alley escape. Plus, it leads you onto Water Street if you want to do the high style tour, and you can finish up at Trocadaro, which opened up just a few months before I left but has expanded.

Wolski's is nice in an authentic, blue collar, neighborhood bar way, but you have to close Wolski's. It's best to start out at Paddy's for a couple of early beers, work your way down North Ave. From Lankmark to The Uptowner (or maybe Judges), take a cab to the west end of Brady Street and work your way up from The Roman Coin ($1 draws of Blatz, which you have to order just to say you've done it) up to Nomad, have a late night bite at Apollo, and then walk over to Wolski's to close.

Do not let anyone talk you into going to the Uptowner. You've been warned.

We're going to some Irish Pub this evening with the corporate jimjam so It'll probably be a hair better than Applebees. But who knows the guy bringin us is a like long Milwaukeeite.Would that be County Claire? Because if it ain't, it should be. And it's a wee bit more than a hair better than Crabapplebee's, with Murphy's Stout and Smithwick's on tap. If you get there early grab a table in the snug, else, sit along the west windows. I like the pork tenderloin (which I rarely get otherwise) but the Irish stew and the pot roast are also highly recommended. Mostly, though, I go for the mashed potatoes.

Stranger

[Uncommon Sense]

Wow, that's quite a memory there Stranger. Once again, you do not fail to impress....
I can't remember what bars I went to last Friday. You've got the Downtown-Walker's Point-Water Street pub crawl all figured out. :cool:

Ever been to Pigsville?

[Phlosphr]

<snip>

Would that be County Claire? Because if it ain't, it should be. And it's a wee bit more than a hair better than Crabapplebee's, with Murphy's Stout and Smithwick's on tap. If you get there early grab a table in the snug, else, sit along the west windows. I like the pork tenderloin (which I rarely get otherwise) but the Irish stew and the pot roast are also highly recommended. Mostly, though, I go for the mashed potatoes.

Stranger

Well we are not really going to be bar hopping all night, well I won't be, but thee are some younger people in the group who went out last night and looked like death warmed over this morning... :D Oh do I remmber those days...no more thank you!

Yes, we are going to County Clare, I believe there are some people staying there and they really like it. As long as they have Sheperds Pie and good smashed potatoes I'll be fine.

[N9IWP]

I hope this isn't considered a zombie thread. I'm just curious if teh Tolkien collection was visited and what the impressions were. (yes, I visted, but that was at the old location)

Brian