View Full Version : Clerk Clocks Deaf Man for Not Speaking
Monty
10-09-2007, 04:55 AM
I'm not making this up. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21156030/).
I saw the video linked in the story this morning (KST) and was stunned. I hope Mr. Goodnight comes through this okay. The clerk is facing up to twenty years in prison and a $10,000 fine. I wonder what Family Dollar will say and do in reaction to this incident.
Contrapuntal
10-09-2007, 06:46 AM
I'm not making this up. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21156030/).
I saw the video linked in the story this morning (KST) and was stunned.Hey, he was dissing him. A Family Dollar clerk has a reputation to uphold.
The clerk is facing up to twenty years in prison and a $10,000 fine.Sounds about right. I wonder what Family Dollar will say and do in reaction to this incident.My guess is attempt to settle early and often. Clubbing a deaf guy for not speaking? No way do they want a civil trial.
Chanteuse
10-09-2007, 06:47 AM
What a major JERK!! In what universe does this guy think that his actions were justified? :confused:
"Wah, wah, wah, he was being RUDE!" Yeah, well guess what, a-hole, even if that had been the case, there's no way that your response was even close to appropriate! I'll bet you've never read in Miss Manners that "when someone is rude to you, the best thing to do is club them over the head with a crowbar."
I hope they throw this guy UNDER the jail! :mad:
olivesmarch4th
10-09-2007, 07:00 AM
Jesus, what a fucking waste of space.
OneCentStamp
10-09-2007, 08:02 AM
How in the hell did that situation escalate to a crowbar beating, just by the deaf guy not replying?!? I can't even imagine the chain of events. :confused:
Jackmannii
10-09-2007, 08:04 AM
What a hideous overreaction.
Pepper spray would have been quite sufficient.
OneCentStamp
10-09-2007, 08:05 AM
What a hideous overreaction.
Pepper spray would have been quite sufficient.Or if that didn't get the guy to talk, maybe a taser (low setting, of course). But a crowbar? Total overkill.
Elenfair
10-09-2007, 08:16 AM
Maybe his defense lawyer will say that Mr. Goodnight was signing something that resembled some street-gang secret hand-shake.
;)
Yikes, man. At moments like these, you kind of wish Mr. Goodnight had a German Shepherd for a hearing dog...
Zebra
10-09-2007, 08:18 AM
Forgive me, El Guapo. I know that I, Jefe, do not have your superior intellect and education. But could it be that once again, you are angry at something else, and are looking to take it out on me?
Look buddy, if you're having a bad day, take a break, don't take it out on the deaf.
Jayn_Newell
10-09-2007, 08:21 AM
I was thinking it was almost understandable, until we got to the crowbar. The hell?
Kricket
10-09-2007, 08:23 AM
Wait a minute...my register didn't come with a crowbar!*
Seriously what the heck was he doing with a crowbar at the register in the first place? It it a bad area? I thought bars and gas stations were more likely to be held up and have a need for crowbars and such on hand. I have an ax handle under the bar at my first job (not that I would ever use it) and the bar I work at is in the sticks. Farmers and rednecks out there.
Now the guy that got hit will stress about trying to communicate more than he should.
I've had deaf people come into stores and resturants and we've been able to communicate just fine. It's really not all that hard to figure out if someone is ignoring you or can't hear you.
*I just started a seasonal job at a store like this. Not Family Dollar but close and I having a very hard time even imagining why someone would have a crowbar handy let alone feel the need to use it in this type of store.
I mean sure, some customers are a pain in the ass but we just can't go around clubbing them all day long. (or can we? :dubious: )
TokyoBayer
10-09-2007, 08:39 AM
How in the hell did that situation escalate to a crowbar beating, just by the deaf guy not replying?!? I can't even imagine the chain of events. :confused:No, you have to re-read the article. They only use chains on blind people who don't make eye contacts.
I hope that this guy gets a long time in prison.
Wee Bairn
10-09-2007, 08:51 AM
Maybe Family Dollar sells crowbars? :)
OneCentStamp
10-09-2007, 08:55 AM
Maybe Family Dollar sells crowbars? :)Well, if they don't already, they should now. In the same vein, OJ Simpson should totally be selling a line of infomerical cutlery.
Marlitharn
10-09-2007, 09:07 AM
I saw an article on this a day or two ago (unfortunately I'm not having any luck finding it again) that said the security video from the store was "lost or erased" before the police could get to it. I remember thinking, "How convenient." At least the asshole admitted to doing it.
Wee Bairn
10-09-2007, 09:15 AM
The victims shirt (http://cgi.ebay.com/FUNNY-RETRO-HUMOR-PUNK-HIP-COOL-IM-NOT-DEAF-T-SHIRT_W0QQitemZ140165170804QQihZ004QQcategoryZ28022QQcmdZViewItem) didn't help matters.
Ponder Stibbons
10-09-2007, 09:33 AM
First of all, on topic: Dayyyyum! :eek: That's just seventeen kinds of wrong.
The victims shirt (http://cgi.ebay.com/FUNNY-RETRO-HUMOR-PUNK-HIP-COOL-IM-NOT-DEAF-T-SHIRT_W0QQitemZ140165170804QQihZ004QQcategoryZ28022QQcmdZViewItem) didn't help matters.I wonder if the "cool kids" on an all-deaf campus wear stuff like that. :cool:
Justin_Bailey
10-09-2007, 09:35 AM
Reading just the thread title I can kind of understand this. I thought it was a light tap that friends give to each other when someone says something stupid. Now that I know it involved the liberal use of crowbar-fu, I think this guy should go away for as long as legally possible.
Although this does remind me of a similar patron that comes into the library where I work all the time. He had a stroke a few months back and can no longer speak. Instead of attempting to communicate this in any way, he just steps up to the counter and stares at the clerk, waiting for them to guess what he wants. When they don't get it, he sighs loudly, rolls his eyes and reaches into his wallet to pull out a pre-printed card he has that says "I had a stroke and cannot speak."
EDIT:
I wonder if the "cool kids" on an all-deaf campus wear stuff like that.
The college I went to is affiliated with the National Technical Institute for the Deaf and I remember seeing that shirt around campus a few times.
The victims shirt (http://cgi.ebay.com/FUNNY-RETRO-HUMOR-PUNK-HIP-COOL-IM-NOT-DEAF-T-SHIRT_W0QQitemZ140165170804QQihZ004QQcategoryZ28022QQcmdZViewItem) didn't help matters.
Damnit, I'm going to hell for laughing at that. My only comfort is that I know a bunch of you guys are coming with me.
Cat Whisperer
10-09-2007, 12:16 PM
At this point, all I have to say is how cool I find the name "Mr. Goodnight."
(Hitting a guy with a crowbar because you thought he was rude? Dude. You just bitch about him with your buddies later (or on a message board). You just can't get good help these days.) (Okay, I had a little more to say.)
vetbridge
10-09-2007, 12:24 PM
Wow.
Maybe the crowbar was for the customers who keep asking, "How much is this?" at the dollar store.
A spokesman for Family Dollar said the store is conducting its own internal investigation into the incident.
What, they think maybe it was justified?
Derleth
10-09-2007, 01:27 PM
At this point, all I have to say is how cool I find the name "Mr. Goodnight."I wonder if he's a Captain (http://www.the-underdogs.info/game.php?id=3706).
OneCentStamp
10-09-2007, 01:41 PM
At this point, all I have to say is how cool I find the name "Mr. Goodnight."It'd be a cooler name if he had been the one doing the clocking with the crowbar. :cool:
Monty
10-09-2007, 02:15 PM
Maybe his defense lawyer will say that Mr. Goodnight was signing something that resembled some street-gang secret hand-shake.
I thought about including a link to the old thread about the school forbidding a Deaf or Hard of Hearing student from using Sign Language but decided against it. The school's reason for the prohibition: Sign Language resembles gang signs. Yes, the school backed down after the public outcry.
levdrakon
10-09-2007, 03:03 PM
Maybe Family Dollar is the new Cracker Barrel. Maybe needs to be closed down. My local Family Dollar is filled with the bitchiest little white girl employees you've ever had to interact with. They resent you for coming into the store and seem to resent you even more because you have actual money to pay with, and you're actually going to pay with money. I should get treated like shit because I have money, and would like to just pay and leave? Yeah, they'll treat you like shit. This one bitch rolled her eyes, looked away and practically threw my change at me. Maybe I'm supposed to shoplift? It's like they hate you for having enough money to buy something.
What is up with that place? They hate customers.
Oh, and about getting pissed off at people who continually ask "how much does this cost?" It's because hardly anything at the Family Dollar Store actually costs a dollar, and those bitches working there sure as hell can't be arsed to put price tags on most of what they sell.
Why do I even shop there? Because at the moment, there's one three blocks away and if I want a bottle of Clorox Toilet Bowl Cleaner they're closer than Wal-mart. But man, do they like to treat you like shit for even walking in there.
It wouldn't surprise me at all you have to belong to the right gang to shop there.
OneCentStamp
10-09-2007, 03:10 PM
Oh, and about getting pissed off at people who continually ask "how much does this cost?" It's because hardly anything at the Family Dollar Store actually costs a dollar, and those bitches working there sure as hell can't be arsed to put price tags on most of what they sell.Yeah, Family Dollar is not a "dollar store." And I've always had really poor service there too, to the point that I've avoided them for two or three years. But if I ever go back, you can be damn sure I'll at least say "hello" to the cashier! :eek:
BTW, what's the matter with Cracker Barrel? I always thought their food was pretty good and the service was never so bad that I noticed.
vetbridge
10-09-2007, 03:13 PM
Oh, and about getting pissed off at people who continually ask "how much does this cost?" It's because hardly anything at the Family Dollar Store actually costs a dollar, and those bitches working there sure as hell can't be arsed to put price tags on most of what they sell.
Sorry, the only "dollar store" I've ever been in had every item for sale for a buck. :smack:
Swallowed My Cellphone
10-09-2007, 03:14 PM
BTW, what's the matter with Cracker Barrel? I always thought their food was pretty good and the service was never so bad that I noticed.I dunno. Maybe they hit you with a crowbar before you order or something.
Contrapuntal
10-09-2007, 03:21 PM
BTW, what's the matter with Cracker Barrel? I always thought their food was pretty good and the service was never so bad that I noticed.Google "Cracker Barrel Anti Gay" (no parentheses needed.)
levdrakon
10-09-2007, 03:23 PM
BTW, what's the matter with Cracker Barrel? I always thought their food was pretty good and the service was never so bad that I noticed.Beats me. I've never been to one. But years ago I think they were getting boycotted for supposedly treating different types of folks unfairly.
I've had deaf people come into stores and resturants and we've been able to communicate just fine. It's really not all that hard to figure out if someone is ignoring you or can't hear you.
That's not the issue at all. Even if the guy was being deliberately rude, that doesn't justify an attack with a crowbar. In my opinion, it doesn't even justify the clerk to get upset - store clerks are not entitled to cheerful and happy response from every customer! Not that I'd take out my anger on a store clerk, but I'm not going to fake a smile either if I'm in a bad mood.
Unauthorized Cinnamon
10-09-2007, 04:11 PM
BTW, what's the matter with Cracker Barrel? I always thought their food was pretty good and the service was never so bad that I noticed.Obviously you're not a black gay woman working for campaign finance reform! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracker_Barrel)
Was I the only one who immediately thought of this? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1900A_ktEg)
OneCentStamp
10-09-2007, 04:14 PM
Huh. And all these years, I thought "Cracker Barrel" was just a clever name. :eek:
Sitnam
10-09-2007, 07:27 PM
This wasn't cool, but the deaf guy is fine, 20 years?
OneCentStamp
10-09-2007, 07:30 PM
This wasn't cool, but the deaf guy is fine, 20 years?I agree that's probably a lot for a non-lethal case of asshattery, but judging from the article, I think they're probably just naming the maximum sentence allowable by law. "Assault and Battery," after all, has to cover a lot of territory.
Ike Witt
10-09-2007, 07:34 PM
I agree that's probably a lot for a non-lethal case of asshattery, but judging from the article, I think they're probably just naming the maximum sentence allowable by law.
So, what sort of slap on the wrist do you think the clerk should get? I'd rather have a guy responds to a mild slight with a crowbar be in jail than not.
OneCentStamp
10-09-2007, 08:01 PM
So, what sort of slap on the wrist do you think the clerk should get? I'd rather have a guy responds to a mild slight with a crowbar be in jail than not.I think jail time would be very appropriate for the guy. If he has no other violent crimes on his record, I think a year sounds about right. Of course, that's me talking off the cuff without knowing many of the particulars, but I'd want him to see at least some prison time.
Green Bean
10-09-2007, 08:06 PM
So, what sort of slap on the wrist do you think the clerk should get?
Perhaps one administered with a crowbar.
Robot Arm
10-09-2007, 08:13 PM
I'd be very curious what the assailant said, and how he acted when he found out the guy was deaf. After you make a mistake like that, there's a bit of a difference between a guy who says "oh, shit, I didn't know" and a guy who says "well, yeah, but he had it coming anyway." In the mugshot, he doesn't look regretful.
Darth Nader
10-09-2007, 10:00 PM
He said "oh."
And the tapes were erased.
And how the fuck is there a difference between trying to kill a guy and , uh , trying to kill a guy-- because?
After you make a mistake like that, there's a bit of a difference between a guy who says "oh, shit, I didn't know" and a guy who says "well, yeah, but he had it coming anyway."
The guy thinks it's OK to beat up a rude customer with a crowbar. What more do you need to know??
danceswithcats
10-09-2007, 10:39 PM
Maybe Family Dollar is the new Cracker Barrel. Maybe needs to be closed down. My local Family Dollar is filled with the bitchiest little white girl employees you've ever had to interact with. They resent you for coming into the store and seem to resent you even more because you have actual money to pay with, and you're actually going to pay with money. I should get treated like shit because I have money, and would like to just pay and leave? Yeah, they'll treat you like shit. This one bitch rolled her eyes, looked away and practically threw my change at me. Maybe I'm supposed to shoplift? It's like they hate you for having enough money to buy something.
What is up with that place? They hate customers.
Oh, and about getting pissed off at people who continually ask "how much does this cost?" It's because hardly anything at the Family Dollar Store actually costs a dollar, and those bitches working there sure as hell can't be arsed to put price tags on most of what they sell.
Why do I even shop there? Because at the moment, there's one three blocks away and if I want a bottle of Clorox Toilet Bowl Cleaner they're closer than Wal-mart. But man, do they like to treat you like shit for even walking in there.
It wouldn't surprise me at all you have to belong to the right gang to shop there.
Whoa! Since when is it important or necessary to point out that the bitchy employees are white? Why the white-hatin'?
lizardling
10-09-2007, 10:43 PM
20 years is excessive? It's not like crowbar assault is like getting a kiss from a nerf bat.
Also, that's some customer service right there. :eek: :dubious:
Robot Arm
10-09-2007, 10:48 PM
The guy thinks it's OK to beat up a rude customer with a crowbar. What more do you need to know??It's assholish behavior of the first order either way, no question. I just think it goes to the question of punishment and long-term rehabilitation. It's one thing to beat up someone who has slighted you, but I just wonder if he has the self-awareness and humility to feel regret when he found out that the slight never actually happened.
Monty
10-09-2007, 10:53 PM
It's not just beating up someone. It's Assault ith a Deadly Weapon. And all because the clerk thought someone wasn't showing him the proper respect?! Which brings up another question: what does he think the proper respect should be for a discount store clerk? I mean, besides the normal courtesy one shows to another person.
Paul in Qatar
10-09-2007, 11:40 PM
The clerk is obviously dangerous and needs to be removed from society. If luck had landed his crowbar a quarter-inch one side or the other, a man would be dead.
levdrakon
10-09-2007, 11:52 PM
Whoa! Since when is it important or necessary to point out that the bitchy employees are white? Why the white-hatin'?Oh, I dunno. I guess I figured if I didn't hate on 'em for being white, it'd be assumed I was hatin' on blacks or other minorities. I wanted to point out it appears IMHE, employees of Family Dollar are all trailer park ghetto trash scum.
Oops, I probably just insulted someone else, didn't I?
EddyTeddyFreddy
10-10-2007, 12:05 AM
Oh, I dunno. I guess I figured if I didn't hate on 'em for being white, it'd be assumed I was hatin' on blacks or other minorities. I wanted to point out it appears IMHE, employees of Family Dollar are all trailer park ghetto trash scum.
Oops, I probably just insulted someone else, didn't I?
You really ought to make up your mind: Trailer park or ghetto? Trash or scum? You've got four possible combinations here, me bucko -- which will it be?
I'd go with "trailer park trash", but then I'm a sucker for alliteration.
GusNSpot
10-10-2007, 12:59 AM
They are having ice water in hell tonight because I agree with Monty about this.
The fact that there are more and more people like this clerk out in the world today is one of the reasons I have my CC permit.
Too bad he did not try that crowbar stunt on an off duty State Trooper.....
The fact that there are more and more people like this clerk out in the world today is one of the reasons I have my CC permit.
Interesting how you twist it around to your position. Me, I think this incident demonstrates why most people shouldn't be allowed to own firearms.
slaphead
10-10-2007, 10:08 AM
Interesting how you twist it around to your position.
Well, I disagree with both of you, I think this demonstrates why people shouldn't be allowed to breed without passing lengthy written and practical exams on How Not To Raise An AssHat.
Concealed Carry permits, meh. Competent Conceiver permits, rock on.
Cat Whisperer
10-10-2007, 11:28 AM
<snip>Competent Conceiver permits, rock on.
Now, THAT'S a cause I can get behind!
levdrakon
10-10-2007, 11:54 AM
Competent Conceiver permits, rock on.When do I get to vote for this? I'm there!
Li'l Pluck
10-10-2007, 12:26 PM
<snip>I think this demonstrates why people shouldn't be allowed to breed without passing lengthy written and practical exams on How Not To Raise An AssHat.
Concealed Carry permits, meh. Competent Conceiver permits, rock on.
A-FUCKING-men!
And extensive psych examinations, too.
And, really, if that POS goes to prison for 20 years for this, society won't be the poorer. Maybe there someone'll give him the "respect" he feels he deserves. With...well, y'all aleady know.
Sitnam
10-10-2007, 12:39 PM
Interesting how you twist it around to your position. Me, I think this incident demonstrates why most people shouldn't be allowed to own firearms.
Or crowbars....wait! That doesn't make sense.
Green Bean
10-10-2007, 05:06 PM
This reminds me of something from my old job. A customer walked in. Someone called out a greeting. She just walked by. The following conversation ensued:
Salesperson #1: Did you see how that lady just walked by.
Salesperson #2: That was so rude. I hate when people do that.
Salesperson #1: Yeah. Like they were deaf or something.
Salesperson #3: What if she really was deaf?
Salesperson #1: Well, then we're gonna feel like a couple of real assholes!
Sure enough, she turned out to be deaf, and we all had a good laugh at #1 and #2. :p
Plynck
10-10-2007, 05:43 PM
It wouldn't surprise me at all you have to belong to the right gang to shop there.The Carmel Crips?
And in the clerk's defense: The customer was deaf, not mute.
teals & trots
danceswithcats
10-10-2007, 10:20 PM
When do I get to vote for this? I'm there! Never happen. Spreading stupid spooge is a fundamental right, and a pile of pinheads would rally against any efforts to reduce the population of dim bulbs.
Monty
10-10-2007, 10:40 PM
And in the clerk's defense: The customer was deaf, not mute.
teals & trots
I actually had to rework the OP a couple of times. My first draft was to have the link with the text "Words fail me." The second draft was "I don't know what to say."
I'm glad I resisted the urge to go with either of those!
Never happen. Spreading stupid spooge is a fundamental right, and a pile of pinheads would rally against any efforts to reduce the population of dim bulbs.
On the other hand, most people think they're above average, so they may well support reproductive limits on the below-average people. It's like the widespread support (or non-opposition) to eliminating estate tax and other tax cuts for the rich - they seems to think they'll eventually get rich enough to benefit from them.
The other thread on this
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=439292
Monty
10-11-2007, 10:39 AM
Well, that thread title & opening post aren't exactly descriptive. If the mods wish, they can close this one and perhaps re-title the other one. Or they can just close this or leave things as they are.
Wait a minute...my register didn't come with a crowbar!*
Seriously what the heck was he doing with a crowbar at the register in the first place?
I live in this neighborhood....that store is litterally within walking distance of my house...If i woked retail around here I would have at LEAST a crowbar by the register, in case I ran out of ammo.
sqweels
10-11-2007, 11:13 AM
Or if that didn't get the guy to talk, maybe a taser (low setting, of course). But a crowbar? Total overkill.
What's sign language for "Don't tase me, bro"? :eek:
But seriously, I heard not too long ago that deaf people occasionaly get beaten up when their sign language is mistaken for gang hand signals.
lizardling
10-11-2007, 06:04 PM
What's sign language for "Don't tase me, bro"? :eek:
But seriously, I heard not too long ago that deaf people occasionaly get beaten up when their sign language is mistaken for gang hand signals.
I've heard that, but I'm still not sure if that's an UL or not. The occasions that I've heard about an actual person as opposed to a FOAF are pretty vanishingly small.
In fact, I can think of exactly one, at most two incidents in nearly thirty years that I personally have heard about straight from reputable online news sites. Here (http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=3854425) is an incident from L.A. that happened last year. Oh, and here's a listing that asks the same question. From tafkac.org (http://tafkac.org/death/gangs_kill_sign_language_users_more.html), which seems to be a page collating cites from alt.folklore.urban. Given the newsgroup source, I'm leaning toward UL.
Maybe I just hang out with the wrong people. I don't know. But I tend to view that sort of thing with a lot of skepticism.
Sampiro
10-11-2007, 07:50 PM
Never happen. Spreading stupid spooge is a fundamental right...
And the base for an underseen and underrated movie (http://imdb.com/title/tt0387808/).
levdrakon
10-11-2007, 07:58 PM
And the base for an underseen and underrated movie (http://imdb.com/title/tt0387808/).I love that underrated movie.
Omega Glory
10-11-2007, 08:59 PM
I'm with the person who'd like the rest of the timeline for this story. I'll admit to laughing at this section: "Ricky Young, 20, told them he thought Goodnight was being rude by not talking to him and hit him in the head with a crowbar. " Not because someone getting hit with a crowbar is funny, but because it's such a wild leap that it's right out of a comedy sketch.
The college I went to is affiliated with the National Technical Institute for the Deaf and I remember seeing that shirt around campus a few times.
RIT, eh?
Monty
10-11-2007, 09:57 PM
I love that underrated movie.
I'm sure I've read a SciFi story, predating the movie, with a very similar plot.
E-Sabbath
10-12-2007, 05:40 AM
The Marching Morons, C K Kornbluth. A true classic.
gytalf2000
10-12-2007, 09:02 AM
Now, THAT'S a cause I can get behind!
I like this idea!
Liberal
10-12-2007, 10:38 AM
I'm with the person who'd like the rest of the timeline for this story. I'll admit to laughing at this section: "Ricky Young, 20, told them he thought Goodnight was being rude by not talking to him and hit him in the head with a crowbar. " Not because someone getting hit with a crowbar is funny, but because it's such a wild leap that it's right out of a comedy sketch.
RIT, eh?My understanding is that it's not so much of a leap in context of the ethos of some urban cultures, where showings of respect are the most revered rituals in the social canon. I seem to recall that, especially in gang cultures, the perception of disrespect is casus belli.
OtakuLoki
10-12-2007, 10:52 AM
Competent Conceiver permits, rock on.
I know this is a mostly tongue-in-cheek comment, but I can't let it pass by.
I do not trust the idea of a bureaucracy choosing who can and cannot have children. It is generally considered to have been a human rights violation when the Eugenics movement in the US supported sterilization of the mentally infirm, and I see no reason to take on faith that no one in such a bureaucracy wouldn't use his or her position to do some backdoor eugenics work.
I agree a whole shit-pot full of people are having kids who really shouldn't be trusted with a guppy. I just think that this proposed cure is worse than the disease.
Monty
10-12-2007, 11:44 AM
It is generally considered to have been a human rights violation when the Eugenics movement in the US supported sterilization of the mentally infirm,
IIRC, in at least one state in the US, the Deaf were included in the "must be sterilized" group.
OtakuLoki
10-12-2007, 01:33 PM
IIRC, in at least one state in the US, the Deaf were included in the "must be sterilized" group.
I didn't remember that, but Alexander Graham Bell did advocate just that. Even though he'd married a deaf woman, himself.
Cite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Graham_Bell#Eugenics) .
OneCentStamp
10-12-2007, 01:34 PM
I didn't remember that, but Alexander Graham Bell did advocate just that. Even though he'd married a deaf woman, himself....and if they sterilized her, that meant he wouldn't have to wrap it up anymore. Devious, Bell. Devious. :cool:
D_Odds
10-12-2007, 02:29 PM
I agree a whole shit-pot full of people are having kids who really shouldn't be trusted with a guppy. I just think that this proposed cure is worse than the disease.Yeah, but if you could make it work...
Lobohan
10-12-2007, 03:17 PM
Maybe he was hoping that hitting him with a crow bar would make him hear again.
danceswithcats
10-12-2007, 03:54 PM
...and if they sterilized her, that meant he wouldn't have to wrap it up anymore. Devious, Bell. Devious. :cool: Plus, he never had to worry about calling out the wrong woman's name whilst in the throes of passion.
Manduck
10-12-2007, 09:02 PM
Plus, he never had to worry about calling out the wrong woman's name whilst in the throes of passion.
And she wouldn't be on the phone all damn day.
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