Heroes 10/15/07 - "The Kindness of Strangers" (SPOILERS)

[Otto]

Last week: Claire went all weak at the knees for West, to the consternation of some 90% of the viewing public. Niki showed up at the Alchemist's office and no one cared. Maya wept bitter tears, as did the audience out of frustration for the pacing. Mohinder found the last of Isaac's series of paintings, thoughtfully left hidden in a huge crate in the middle of his office, that had bad tidings for Noah. Sylar ate Candice's brain and all he got was this lousy desert island. Hiro? Still in feudal Japan again some more. And Peter participated in an armed robbery for absolutely no reason and may or may not have healed a tattoo right off his body. If only more of those faux-Celtic and fake "tribal" armband tattoos people got a few years ago would fade away (ooh, I have an idea for the next great Hero!).

This week: based on the title I'm hoping that we see Mama Bennet in the role she was born to play, Blanche DuBois, but realistically I'm betting it's more Maya and Boy-Maya whose name I simply can't make stay in my brain.

[Terminus Est]

I think the brother's name is Alejandro. Those two are beginning to sound like a bad telenovela.

¡Maya!

¡Alejandro!

¡Maya!

¡Alejandro!

¡Maya!

¡Alejandro!

[scotandrsn]

I've poked around some interviews Tim Kring has givern, and the earliest we're getting the backstory on what happened over the missing four months is episode 8. What's this week, Ep 4? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

[Lightray]

I shall be very, very annoyed if Peter turns out to have gotten Jessica'd. The stupid, now-you-see-it, now-you-don't "godsend" tattoo last week with his "mean face" while TKing Irish Enterprise Guy and waffling personality when given the chance to open his box gave me one of those sinking feeling things.

Seriously, I'd rather watch Mayjha weep and moan for the rest of the season than go through split-personality-Peter.

[Otto]

Oh come on, as if Peter has enough personailty for one, let alone two.

[Lightray]

That's kind of why I was thinking it may be less painful to watch the Maya weepfest. Although it could be kinda fun to speculate which personality is the one who keeps taking his shirt off for no reason -- Peter, or RePeter?

Come to think, Niki/Jessica was always taking her shirt (&tc) off, as well! Another similarity! Oh, woe.

[Rubystreak]

I hope Maya! and Alejandro! get apprehended in a really lame way. Third time's the charm, after all.

[Otto]

All righty then, how's that for integrating Maya and Boy-Maya into the storyline?

I predict that Maya and Sylar will start a romantic relationship, for no other reason than their 'shipper name would be "Mylar."

[Wile E]

There was just a weird editing cut during the conversation with Nathan and Parkman, did anyone else notice that?


I think Claire suspecting daddy of being West's bad guy is just another plot point to explain why she isn't telling the parents about him.


I guess our theories about Candice and Company are wrong, apparently they really were that stupid.

[Rucksinator]

.... of DEATH!!!!!!

[BabaBooey]

Lucky to have a job in New Orleans? Are you fucking kidding me? People that don't have jobs right now simply don't want one. There's a dearth of employees and quite a few businesses still can't keep normal hours. Places like the burger joint she's in are actually paying pretty well given the low cost of living in Louisiana. Double minimum wage starting pay was pretty common.

[Otto]

OK, so Cousin Nawlins has some kind of photographic reflex/memory power.

[bouv]

OK, so Cousin Nawlins has some kind of photographic reflex/memory power.

Yeah, seems to be like Charlie, but instead of super-memory, it's like super 'monkey-see, monkey-do.'

[Wile E]

Wow, a big reveal! Daddy Parkman is Nightmare Man! Interesting.

[Otto]

Yeah, seems to be like Charlie, but instead of super-memory, it's like super 'monkey-see, monkey-do.'
More like "Monkey see, monkey do way better." Look at the difference in complexity between the tomato rose on TV and the one Cousin Nawlins made at the burger barn.

[Menocchio]

I'm liking this episode a lot better than the previous few weeks. I'm not quite sure why.

All of the acting for any character under 25 is pretty awful. The New Orleans setting is pretty schmaltzy attempt to be relevant (a bad habit no doubt inherited from the show's comic book roots).

But yet, it's working better. Perhaps it's because we're seeing some movement in the various plots. Perhaps because we've got a new character with a power that's not a rehash of something we've seen before.

And ooh! Veronica Mars next ep.

[DocCathode]

Cool, Burgerqueen appears to have photographic reflexes- she can perfectly copy whatever movement she sees. A Marvel comics character, Taskmaster, has that power and is one of the most dangerous villains in the world.

Other than that, Mya and Allejandro finally seem to be going somewhere.

How many unnamed people were in the photo? I spotted the Alchemist there.

[Lightray]

Well, looks like the "Heroes" writers yanked all the "Lost" fans' chains last week and played them for chumps with Sylar's predicament. Turns out the Lost island is... the Yucatan. Oooh.

Actually, Gabriel turning up with the Wonder Twins just made that storyline interesting. Just as West is turning Claire's storyline into a boring cliche-o-rama. The Hollywood sign? Really? That's what they came up with?

I'm absolutely shocked that they went an entire episode without Peter, or even without shirtless!Peter. But I have to admit, Adrian Pasdar -- sans his beard-parasite -- was even better looking with the longer hair than last season.

They just better not kill of Angela. Take Molly, instead. (she bugs)

Just me, or was Uhura a little... underwhelming?

I predict that Maya and Sylar will start a romantic relationship, for no other reason than their 'shipper name would be "Mylar."
Pshaw. As if Sylar likes girls. You'll have to be content with "Myhandro."

[Justin_Bailey]

Thoroughly enjoyed it.

I did not see Parkman's father as the Nightmare Man at all. I assumed he would just be some schlub that was being used by the major players like Linderman, the Petrellis and Hiro's father.

I began to hate Sylar last year as he started to become way too powerful, but his depowering and interaction with the wonder twins actually made their storyline bearable for once.

And I don't even mind the Claire/West story.

[Frostillicus]

As Claire was lying to her father for the umpteenth time in the last two episodes, I thought to myself: "The man literally took a bullet for you and this is how you repay him." Stalker-boy is really starting to piss me off.

[Justin_Bailey]

As Claire was lying to her father for the umpteenth time in the last two episodes, I thought to myself: "The man literally took a bullet for you and this is how you repay him." Stalker-boy is really starting to piss me off.

But I can see Claire's point. Making them hide that deep is going to make them sloppy. And trying to stay too far under the radar will definitely make people more suspicious than they would be if Claire were acting normal.

[Otto]

How many unnamed people were in the photo? I spotted the Alchemist there.
There was an unnamed woman next to Nightmare Dad. They pointed out the Alchemist a couple of different times. His name is "Bob." Bob the Alchmist.

Pshaw. As if Sylar likes girls. You'll have to be content with "Myhandro."
Mohinder + Sylar = "Mohair."

Speaking of which, pipe that chest hair Sylar was showing off this ep. Woof!

So...Nathan is wearing a fake beard? Not the actor, the character?

I'm kind of annoyed that Nightmare Dad turned out to be Nightmare Dad. I think Matt was the only regular who didn't have daddy issues.

[Lightray]

Mohinder + Sylar = "Mohair."
Seriously, I'm the only one getting the creepy Flowers In The Attic vibe from Maya + Alejandro?

[randwill]

Well, looks like the "Heroes" writers yanked all the "Lost" fans' chains last week and played them for chumps with Sylar's predicament. Turns out the Lost island is... the Yucatan. Oooh.I don't think the wise-asses (like me) who said Sylar was on the "Lost" island really believed Sylar was supposed to be on the "Lost" island. But I am curious, did you think we believed that?

Tonight we got more new characters. Exactly what this show didn't need.

[DocCathode]

It's not just you. I sometimes think they're a little too close.

[Otto]

Back row, L-R:
Linderman, Papa Petrelli, Angela Petrelli, Papa Sulu, Bob the Alchemist, Unidentified Woman, Nightmare Dad.

Front row, L-R:
Papa Deveaux, Man with Bad Mustache, Unidentified Guy.

So ten people, seven of whom are identified.

[Otto]

Seriously, I'm the only one getting the creepy Flowers In The Attic vibe from Maya + Alejandro?
I don't care enough about them yet to get any vibe off them.

[E-Sabbath]

I missed the last 15 minutes or so. From where the Haitian said Odessa, Russia. Spoil?

[Harborwolf]

Kind of hard to believe that Parkman's dad is the big bad. Judging by the photo, I'd guess his power is selling used cars at low low prices.

Another girl working in a diner has some form of memory power. Must be all that order taking affecting the super gene. Does this mean that Smallville will run for student body president?

Speaking of Smallville, his secondary power must be super cliches. Personally I'd have let her hit the ground after jumping off the sign. "No really. This time I'll catch you."

Have to say that there is something odd with a (near) teenaged boy using his powers to get pay per view to look at men in their underwear. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Otto]

I missed the last 15 minutes or so. From where the Haitian said Odessa, Russia. Spoil?
Matt and Mohinder had a quarrel because Matt wanted Molly to locate Nightmare Dad from the photo. Molly agreed to do it. She got as far as mentally locating an apartment in Philadelphia when she was attacked psychically. She went into shock but Matt could hear her screaming for help from inside her own mind.

Someone on Wikipedia is asserting that Nightmare Dad is also Hal, Niki/Jessica's dad. I can't say as I see a resemblance.

[enigm4tic]

Well, at least this time the show had movement in the plotlines.

Think of last season, all the plotlines started coming together for totally arbitrary reasons. Now Noah and the Haitian are going to be chasing the future-paintings of the people in the picture, Petrelli, Parkman, and company are going to be directly trying to prevent it...Claire is going to remain useless, Sylar is going to take the hispanics to New York (or kill them), either way, we get Sylar back in on the main plot. It looks like it's starting to come together.
There are 12 Justice League Members to look for:

Nakamura (Deceased)

Linderman (Deceased)

Mr. Petrelli (Deceased)

Charles Duvoe (Deceased)

Bob (known, power known)

Angela Petrelli (Known, Power Unknown)

Mr. Parkman (Known, Power Unknown: strong possibility that it is some form of psychic attack power, given Molly situation, Angela was psychically attacked and it left physical wounds)

Blonde Woman on far left, back row (Unknown)

Dark-Haired Woman Second From Right (Unknown)

Black Woman, seated, front row left (Unknown, very strong possibility that it is "Uhura")

Mustache Man seated front right (Unknown)

Person we have not seen, White haired older man (Unknown, high probability that this is the killer, since we have not seen a clear view of him that leaves his identity shrouded)

Also at 22:49, while Nathan is picking out people from the crowd, he clearly says "Hiro Nakamura" when identifying the Keito Nakamura

[Annie]

I predict that Maya and Sylar will start a romantic relationship, for no other reason than their 'shipper name would be "Mylar."

Taken. That's for Mohinder/Sylar. I lurk at TwoP too much. :D Nitpick du jour: Sylar found a pair of black jeans while stumbling around the Mexican hinterlands? Did he find a skinny biker to kill?

[Oslo Ostragoth]

Kind of hard to believe that Parkman's dad is the big bad. Judging by the photo, I'd guess his power is selling used cars at low low prices.

Another girl working in a diner has some form of memory power. Must be all that order taking affecting the super gene. Does this mean that Smallville will run for student body president?

Speaking of Smallville, his secondary power must be super cliches. Personally I'd have let her hit the ground after jumping off the sign. "No really. This time I'll catch you."

Have to say that there is something odd with a (near) teenaged boy using his powers to get pay per view to look at men in their underwear. Not that there's anything wrong with that.Please stop using the term "Smallville".

[Yumblie]

I was starting to be underwhelmed by this season but this episode made things a lot more interesting again. Probably because stuff actually happened.

I liked the Claire plot last season but this season it's pretty dull. Girl dates guy, keeps secret from dad. Can't get any more cliche than that. There better turn out to be something interesting about West, maybe his parents are in that photo.

I liked the Maya-Alejandro plot at first, but I agree that it did get repetative after a while. But man, meeting Sylar in this episode, wow, now I'm really interested in seeing where this is going. Especially since Sylar knows he can't just kill them and take their power just yet (which I assume was the purpose of the Sylar-Candice exchange). As much of a bastard as he is, I like having him around, he's fun to hate.

Parkman's dad turning out to be the main baddie, that's quite a surprise. He sure doesn't look all that evil in the photo. I wonder if we'll be able to connect every hero we've seen back to people in that photo. We might even get some kind of an explanation as to where these powers came from.

But then Kensei having a power hundreds of years ago kinda screws that up. Though it makes you wonder how he could live to adulthood and not find out he can regenerate. Maybe the eclipse somehow causes it? I wonder how the Kensei plot has any relevance to what's going on in modern times at all. As much as I like Hiro, it was kind of nice to take a break from that plot this week.

[Pel2na]

I was hoping for a little more information tonight before laying this out there, but Hiro was a no-show (like Peter) so here we go.

When Hiro went back in time in the last episode last season, his first look at his personal hero in full samurai gear included a shot of the warrior's banner - the symbol on it was the violin-fret hole (for want of a better term). It has also always been on the sword hilt. Now it shows up as the symbol of the nightmare man.

As Hiro has been goofing around in 18th century Japan, he has said a couple of times, "I have to get back to my time before I do something that will change the future." But he can't seem to bring himself to return, and Hiro being Hiro, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that the combination of his mucking around and the mock hero's questionable morals are going to create an outfit so bad that The Company was created to fight it.

Whaddya think?

[Priam]

But then Kensei having a power hundreds of years ago kinda screws that up. Though it makes you wonder how he could live to adulthood and not find out he can regenerate. Maybe the eclipse somehow causes it? I wonder how the Kensei plot has any relevance to what's going on in modern times at all. As much as I like Hiro, it was kind of nice to take a break from that plot this week.

The theory I subscribe to is that his power isn't straight-up regeneration like Claire, but rather a "reboot" from death to life (like using up another life in a video game). Damage really counts, but never fatally.

[Terminus Est]

Seriously, I'm the only one getting the creepy Flowers In The Attic vibe from Maya + Alejandro?
See above for my telenovela observation.

I have to agree that Sylar getting together with the Wonder Twins suddenly made that storyline more interesting. There seems to be a lot more plot movement this episode, as compared to last week. Still don't like where Claire seems to be going, though; I liked it better when her boyfriend was gay.

[SenorBeef]

The theory I subscribe to is that his power isn't straight-up regeneration like Claire, but rather a "reboot" from death to life (like using up another life in a video game). Damage really counts, but never fatally.

Didn't he intentionally cut himself at some later point to test it out, and healed?




There's a lot of lazy writing in this series. Way too many plot points happen by coincidence. Which, in a world of super powers, where people are willing to accept arbitrarily supernatural things happening, is just bad writing.

Sylar meets up with the wonder twins by coincidentally ending up in the same area as them, and passing out on a road, and they're the first ones to see him?

They did that a lot last year, though. It'll be a pattern. There's just not a whole lot of care taken to smoothly and plausibly integrate the different plot lines.

[irishgirl]

I just find any scenes in "Cork" to be too painful to watch.

What, they couldn't find any actual Irishwomen and Irishmen in the whole of America? :rolleyes:

The accents and Americanisms hurt my ears. Nobody in Ireland runs a "Sportsbook", they would have roobbed a "betting shop", "bookmakers" or "bookie's"... surely American viewers would have been able to understand the term "Betting shop"?

As for the idea that the Irish mafia family have some sort of weird "clan" symbol they use as a tattoo...bizarre. Since when were the Yakuza Irish?

[Carnick]

OK, so Cousin Nawlins has some kind of photographic reflex/memory power.
If I had that power I'd watch a ton of poker shows.

Just as West is turning Claire's storyline into a boring cliche-o-rama. The Hollywood sign? Really? That's what they came up with?
For Hollywood, masturbating all over yourself is the biggest turn on possible. Is West's smug sarcasm supposed to be charming? Because it's not working. Yeah, he doesn't want to see her get hurt - right after he humiliates her in class which is death to a teenager. I hope they're planning to turn him into a villain, because he certainly acts like one.

No Peter, no ancient Japan, no Nikki. Good episode. I hope this season starts to explore why so many people are suddenly getting superpowers. When I first saw the promos I thought the eclipse was going to play a big role in their mutations.

[SenorBeef]

What's with the eclipse thing, anyway? The way they used it originally it seemed like it was going to be a big deal. Then they pretty much forgot about it. I figured they were making it up as they went along and decided to change the backstory and the new one didn't involve eclipses. But then they bring the eclipse back this season, so it seems like it's meaningful.

[Wile E]

What's with the eclipse thing, anyway? The way they used it originally it seemed like it was going to be a big deal. Then they pretty much forgot about it. I figured they were making it up as they went along and decided to change the backstory and the new one didn't involve eclipses. But then they bring the eclipse back this season, so it seems like it's meaningful.

I said this last season and I believe it was confirmed by Kring, the eclipses were just to bookend the series. The season started with an eclipse and ended with one. Sure we see a handful of people discovering their powers around the eclipse but as things go on we also learn that there were others who knew about their powers long before that. Since the focus of the series was the handful with newly discovered powers, the eclipse was just to showcase them.

It's possible it's original intent was meant to be more but they tossed the idea out, which IMO is good because the science in the show is iffy enough without suggesting that mutations are caused or enhanced by an eclipse.

[Maus Magill]

I just find any scenes in "Cork" to be too painful to watch.

What, they couldn't find any actual Irishwomen and Irishmen in the whole of America? :rolleyes:

The accents and Americanisms hurt my ears. Nobody in Ireland runs a "Sportsbook", they would have roobbed a "betting shop", "bookmakers" or "bookie's"... surely American viewers would have been able to understand the term "Betting shop"?
I guess I should stop complaining about how every single American on the BBC sounds like he just walked out of 1930's Chicago.

I was glad that the Maya/Alejandro plot picked up. I'm still wondering how they get across the border with Claire's hot car.

I'm glad they gave a couple of plotlines a break this week. Last week was getting too confusing with too many active plotlines.

[nevermore]

This was the first episode this season that actually held my interest. Seemed like it was the first time anything actually happened at all. And I have to say, I didn't miss Peter, Nikki, or Hiro at all. I like Hiro, but there's only so much puppylike optimism I can stand. I used to like Peter, but now he's become this boring, empty-headed thing with no shirt and a puffed-up chest. I never liked Nikki/Jessica.

I can't wait to see more of the new chick with the learn-by-sight power. So many awesome things they could do with that.

I wonder if the addition of Kristin Bell's character will make Peter's storyline tolerably interesting? I'm hoping yes. Maybe she can displace that ugly Irish forehead Peter's currently banging.

[scotandrsn]

OK, no one else mentioned it, so maybe it was even more coolly subtle than I thought. I loved it when Molly's pupils briefly turned into the symbol when she announced that Parkman's dad was Nightmare Man.

[kurilla]

This far into the thread, and nobody's suggested that the woman next to Parkman's dad in the photo might be Parkman's mom? Okay, I will.

And am I the only one hoping that Mr. Bennett (Butler) turns Clare over his knee and thrashes her within an inch of her life really soon now? My God, what a bitch she's been this season. (What's great about the thrashing is that SHE HEALS, can't file a criminal complaint against him, because there's no evidence.)

[Justin_Bailey]

OK, no one else mentioned it, so maybe it was even more coolly subtle than I thought. I loved it when Molly's pupils briefly turned into the symbol when she announced that Parkman's dad was Nightmare Man.

Wow, that's cool, I so didn't see that. Do you have a screencap by any chance?

Something else no one has mentioned yet is the cockroach crawling around the body of the guy the wonder twins busted out of jail after Sylar brained him with a rock.

That cockroach knows thing.

EDIT:

This far into the thread, and nobody's suggested that the woman next to Parkman's dad in the photo might be Parkman's mom? Okay, I will.

If Parkman recognized his father wouldn't he recognize his mother? Unless she abandoned him too, and then why wouldn't he mention that?

[Otto]

There are 12 Justice League Members to look for:
[list omitted]

Wait, what? Maybe my vision's not the best but there were two entire people in the photo that I didn't see? You are talking about the photo that Nathan gave to Matt, right?

[Justin_Bailey]

Wait, what? Maybe my vision's not the best but there were two entire people in the photo that I didn't see? You are talking about the photo that Nathan gave to Matt, right?

While there were 10 people in the photo, Mama Petrelli and Hiro's dad talked about how "Now there are 9" after 3 had been killed.

So two people are missing. My guess: Mr. Bennett (who took the picture) and Claude (who turned invisible to be funny).

[Otto]

This far into the thread, and nobody's suggested that the woman next to Parkman's dad in the photo might be Parkman's mom? Okay, I will.
One would think that if Parkman's mom and dad were both in the photo he would've said "that's my mom and dad" or "those are my parents."

[Otto]

While there were 10 people in the photo, Mama Petrelli and Hiro's dad talked about how "Now there are 9" after 3 had been killed.
Right, but enigm4tic listed a blonde woman and a black woman as if they were in the photo. I freeze-framed the photo so I could list the depicted here and I would be rather vexed with myself if I omitted two entire people.

[simster]

Right, but enigm4tic listed a blonde woman and a black woman as if they were in the photo. I freeze-framed the photo so I could list the depicted here and I would be rather vexed with myself if I omitted two entire people.

The first time they showed the photo, they omitted the two unknown women as well as Parkman's dad (it cut off at Bob) - the second time, they showed a larger group.

I, for one, am tiring of the symbol being inserted everywhere - I like the affect, but its gone from "cool usage" to "lets see how many places we can use it".

[Tupug Anachi]

Otto, let me be the first to say that I thought your OP was so funny, I've e-mailed the link to all my friends who watch the show.

Do we know for sure that Mollie actually meant Parkman's father and not somebody else in the photo. I know she said he was the boogeyman right after Parkman identified him, but could she have been looking at somebody else in it?

[Lightray]

Do we know for sure that Mollie actually meant Parkman's father and not somebody else in the photo. I know she said he was the boogeyman right after Parkman identified him, but could she have been looking at somebody else in it?
She confirmed that it was Parkman's dad she was talking about, she got the "Godsend" symbol in her eyes when freaking out about him, she came out later and told Parkman that she would find his dad for him, and once she did she got the whammy put on her that she'd been afraid the boogieman would put on her.

I don't think the wise-asses (like me) who said Sylar was on the "Lost" island really believed Sylar was supposed to be on the "Lost" island. But I am curious, did you think we believed that?
No. I think that the "Heroes" writers deliberately evoked "Lost" with Sylar's predicament, specifically to yank the chains of "Lost" viewers. And I think that, judging by the reactions last week, it worked. As I said.

[Otto]

The first time they showed the photo, they omitted the two unknown women as well as Parkman's dad (it cut off at Bob) - the second time, they showed a larger group.
I freeze-framed it at the second instance, when Mohinder and Matt were looking at it. I did not see these mystery women. I'll look again when I get home because I can't understand how I could have missed two entire people.

Otto, let me be the first to say that I thought your OP was so funny, I've e-mailed the link to all my friends who watch the show.
*blush*

[Terminus Est]

OK, no one else mentioned it, so maybe it was even more coolly subtle than I thought. I loved it when Molly's pupils briefly turned into the symbol when she announced that Parkman's dad was Nightmare Man.
I noticed that, too. I wonder if that means she got tattoos on her eyes?

[Bob Ducca]

So two people are missing. My guess: Mr. Bennett (who took the picture) and Claude (who turned invisible to be funny).

I believe that Mr. Bennett and Claude are both more mid-level employees of The Company, like Eric Roberts was and Suresh is now.

Claude, I think, was someone that was caught and tested on and perhaps made to flip over to their side. I don't remember what backstory they gave us for him, but I'm positive he's not one of the Original 12.

[Rasa]

Someone on Wikipedia is asserting that Nightmare Dad is also Hal, Niki/Jessica's dad. I can't say as I see a resemblance.

That was my first reaction when I saw him in the photo too.

[Justin_Bailey]

I believe that Mr. Bennett and Claude are both more mid-level employees of The Company, like Eric Roberts was and Suresh is now.

Claude, I think, was someone that was caught and tested on and perhaps made to flip over to their side. I don't remember what backstory they gave us for him, but I'm positive he's not one of the Original 12.

But Bob the Alchemist is in the picture and he seems even lower on the totem pole than Eric Roberts or Mr. Bennett.

We were also shown that Mr. Bennett ran the Texas facility and only answered to "higher ups" over the phone. Eric Roberts didn't show up until The Company thought something hinky was going on. So Mr. Bennett is at least the equal of Bob the Alchemist.

[simster]

I believe that Mr. Bennett and Claude are both more mid-level employees of The Company, like Eric Roberts was and Suresh is now.

Claude, I think, was someone that was caught and tested on and perhaps made to flip over to their side. I don't remember what backstory they gave us for him, but I'm positive he's not one of the Original 12.


I second that - Claude was most definitely not part of the "original" twelve, and so far as we know Noah hasn't been shown to have any power(s) - which seems to be a pre-req.

Did we ever learn what (if any) power Papa Sulu has/had ?

[simster]

But Bob the Alchemist is in the picture and he seems even lower on the totem pole than Eric Roberts or Mr. Bennett.

We were also shown that Mr. Bennett ran the Texas facility and only answered to "higher ups" over the phone. Eric Roberts didn't show up until The Company thought something hinky was going on. So Mr. Bennett is at least the equal of Bob the Alchemist.


Why would Bob be lower on the totem pole? He's the one with the Midas touch, and therefore the money to do what needs be done - perhaps only due to Linderman's death has he been forced to come "forward" - but I doubt that makes him a lower echelon.

That, and I think its more of a "generational" thing that makes them in the twelve.

[D_Odds]

But Bob the Alchemist is in the picture and he seems even lower on the totem pole than Eric Roberts or Mr. Bennett.

We were also shown that Mr. Bennett ran the Texas facility and only answered to "higher ups" over the phone. Eric Roberts didn't show up until The Company thought something hinky was going on. So Mr. Bennett is at least the equal of Bob the Alchemist.Noah didn't know he was working for Linderman. Bob obviously knows Linderman. Noah is, as Ted said, mid-level management.

[kurilla]

One would think that if Parkman's mom and dad were both in the photo he would've said "that's my mom and dad" or "those are my parents."

No, no, it's his BIOLOGICAL mom, not the mom he grew up with....


Okay, I got nothin'.

[Justin_Bailey]

That, and I think its more of a "generational" thing that makes them in the twelve.

The actors that play Bob the Alchemist and Mr. Bennett are only seven years apart. Mr. Bennett also had custody of Claire, a very important Company "project."

He may have been recruited in, but he's very important in the scheme of things, and no one knows when "The 12" formed.

[Baldwin]

So...Nathan is wearing a fake beard? Not the actor, the character?No; he had a beard, and then he shaved.

It's hard to see Candice being stupid enough to get killed that way; but then, the show has never really been consistent with how a given character behaves. Gee, Sylar sure does like bashin' people's heads. I wonder if we'll ever find out exactly what he does once he gets the top of your head off.

I'm disappointed in the impossible coincidences -- Maya & Alejandro are making their way north in a stolen car that just happens to be stolen from Claire, and then who should they run into (almost literally) but Gabriel, aka Sylar. What are the odds? Lazy writing. I know impossible coincidences have long been a staple of comic books, but originally I had hopes that this show would be something different -- that they'd try to show the effects of incredible powers in a realistic world.

Being able to imitate things you see on tv isn't a very inspiring power. I hope Mikah's other cousin, the useless, bitchy adolescent lump who wanted his grandmother to pony up 65 bucks so he could watch wrestling, doesn't have a power.

[Justin_Bailey]

Noah didn't know he was working for Linderman. Bob obviously knows Linderman. Noah is, as Ted said, mid-level management.

I'll have to break out my DVDs, but I'm pretty sure Mr. Bennett knew about Linderman.

[D_Odds]

I'll have to break out my DVDs, but I'm pretty sure Mr. Bennett knew about Linderman.
I'm remembering a scene in a diner with Parkman, Bennet, and Sprague(? - I think that is his name and I didn't want to call him Geico Caveman), where Sprague laughs at Bennet for not knowing Linderman was his boss.

[NailBunny]

Woo, stuff happened!! Finally starting to feel like the Heroes I enjoyed so much last season. I was spoiled on the twins coming across Sylar, but I didn't realize it was going to happen that soon! Did anyone else just want to crawl through the screen and give the poor guy a hug when he looked down at his broken watch and mumbled "I'm Gabriel." Aww.

So every stupid theory of mine has, so far, been completely blown out of the water. I suck at this game.

Matt and Mohinder make a very cute bickering old couple.

[Lightray]

It's hard to see Candice being stupid enough to get killed that way; but then, the show has never really been consistent with how a given character behaves. Gee, Sylar sure does like bashin' people's heads. I wonder if we'll ever find out exactly what he does once he gets the top of your head off.
Last season, Candice taunted the super-strong crazy woman whose child she'd kidnapped... and got smacked all to Heck for her efforts.

This season, she teased the psycho multiple-murderer... and got her brain eaten for her efforts.

Looks consistent to me.

I'm disappointed in the impossible coincidences -- Maya & Alejandro are making their way north in a stolen car that just happens to be stolen from Claire, and then who should they run into (almost literally) but Gabriel, aka Sylar. What are the odds? Lazy writing. I know impossible coincidences have long been a staple of comic books, but originally I had hopes that this show would be something different -- that they'd try to show the effects of incredible powers in a realistic world.
All of last season was an endless series of the heroes bumping into each other, over and over. Niki sleeps with Nathan. Nathan flies to the diner where Hiro just happens to be there to see him land. On and on, the whole season through, until they'd just about all met each other (tho' Matt and Nathan seemed to have missed hooking up).

Their intention from the start has been to mine the tropes of comic books for a tv series -- incredible powers, yes; realistic world, not so much.


Which reminds me: how the heck did Noah miss West flying away with Claire... in their completely flat, suburban wasteland that has no landscaping other than some palm trees -- in broad daylight??? Seriously, dude needs to get a new prescription for his horn-rimmed glasses.

Also, West needs to find a different pose for his flying. The arm-up, one knee bent pose may work for Superman in the comics, but on tv it looks about as hokey as a George Reeves flight pose.

[Sam Lowry]

I freeze-framed it at the second instance, when Mohinder and Matt were looking at it. I did not see these mystery women. I'll look again when I get home because I can't understand how I could have missed two entire people.

Here (http://heroeswiki.com/Image:Group_of_twelve.jpg) is a screencap of the photo. It's not the clearest, but you can see 12 people in the photo- four sitting in front and eight standing up.

[enigm4tic]

Here (http://heroeswiki.com/Image:Group_of_twelve.jpg) is a screencap of the photo. It's not the clearest, but you can see 12 people in the photo- four sitting in front and eight standing up.

Beat me too it. Nathan *says* "It's a group shot, 10 maybe 12 people in it"

Later we see the photo that Sam linked to, and there are 12 people, the same 12 that I described in my original post. Although given that screencap I guess I take back my original assertion of the guy in the lower-right being the most likely killer because we don't get a good view of him.

That said, the hoodie-killer does NOT at *ALL* match the physical description of Parkman's father, and I think that much of an obvious difference rules him out (of course, it doesn't rule out a group of more than one that INCLUDES Parkman's father, either)


Actually, come to think of it, I think Parkman's father is fighting off Molly because he believes it's the company trying to chase him down, since last he knew Molly was company property.

[amarinth]

OK, so Cousin Nawlins has some kind of photographic reflex/memory power.
so far, though, it's only been for stuff she sees on TV.
Which makes her different than Sylar (who could figure things out) or Peter (who just kind of absorbed stuff). She might need to see it captured on film first.

[Otto]

No; he had a beard, and then he shaved.
I thought I remembered his having a beard at the bar, then no beard when he visited Mom at the police station, then a beard again with his kids in DC then no beard again with Mom in the hospital.

Being able to imitate things you see on tv isn't a very inspiring power. I hope Mikah's other cousin...doesn't have a power.
The power to instantly become equal to the most skilled athlete or martial artist in the world or become equal to the most skilled dancer or artisan? Seems pretty cool to me. Agreed on hoping the brat does not have a power.

Here is a screencap of the photo.
That appears to be taken from earlier in the episode than what I reviewed. Which makes me feel much better. What I watched didn't go any further left than Linderman.

Interesting that Papa Petrelli is partially turned away from the camera. Are those horn-rimmed glasses he's wearing? Hmmmm. Anyone want to offer me odds on his still being alive?

[Gukumatz]

Actually, come to think of it, I think Parkman's father is fighting off Molly because he believes it's the company trying to chase him down, since last he knew Molly was company property.


Those were my thoughts when Molly picked him out of the photo, as well. The guy looks too likeable to be the villain, and he's too fat to be the pusher. Further, the pusher upped and ran away afterwards, unhurt, or flew off in mid-air. Not a very psychic power, is it?

Of course, I can't rule out that Mr. Parkman has more than one power, but that would be very weak and a bit of a deus ex machina to salvage the inconsistency.

Actually, my money is on that it is Kenzei come to the future, regally pissed, Peter Petrelli further confused and mislead and/or West the Villain. Push and fly, boy.

[Maus Magill]

I thought I remembered his having a beard at the bar, then no beard when he visited Mom at the police station, then a beard again with his kids in DC then no beard again with Mom in the hospital.He saw his kids before he went to the hospital.

[Otto]

He saw his kids before he went to the hospital.
Right. The sequence I remembered was: Ep 1, Nathan in a bar with a beard; Ep 1, Nathan at police station without beard; This ep, Nathan with kids with beard; This ep, Nathan at hospital without beard.

[Santos L Halper]

Yeah, this episode was quite a bit better that the earlier ones this season. But it was the same for the first season. It wasn't until episode 3 or 4 until the show really seemed to hit its stride.

Someone on Wikipedia is asserting that Nightmare Dad is also Hal, Niki/Jessica's dad. I can't say as I see a resemblance.

Niki's dad was played by Graham Beckel (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0065320/), while Papa Parkman is Louis Giambalvo (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0316080/). Also, I haven't seen anyone mention that the woman between Papa Parkman and the Alchemist is Joanna Cassidy (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001026/).

And I agree, the black woman is almost certainly Nichelle Nichols' character. They introduced her and the picture at practically the same time, and they love to have interconnections between all the characters and storylines.

Here are a couple more screen caps:

one (http://www.toymiata.com/temp/heroes3.jpg) two (http://www.toymiata.com/temp/heroes2.jpg) three (http://www.toymiata.com/temp/heroes1.jpg)

[Maus Magill]

police station without beardNote to self:
Police station <> hospital

Was that Nathan at the station? I thought it was her counsel. I could be misremembering, though.

[Lightray]

I'm remembering a scene in a diner with Parkman, Bennet, and Sprague(? - I think that is his name and I didn't want to call him Geico Caveman), where Sprague laughs at Bennet for not knowing Linderman was his boss.
You are correct. Ted was making fun of Noah for being middle management. Noah isn't one of the original SuperFriends.

I thought I remembered his having a beard at the bar, then no beard when he visited Mom at the police station, then a beard again with his kids in DC then no beard again with Mom in the hospital.
This is the first episode this season where Nathan didn't have that hideous beard. I've found it very distracting and annoying, so it's particularly memorable. Although they didn't show him shaving it, the beard apparently went away after he talked to his kids and had made the decision to get his life back.

Those were my thoughts when Molly picked him out of the photo, as well. The guy looks too likeable to be the villain, and he's too fat to be the pusher. Further, the pusher upped and ran away afterwards, unhurt, or flew off in mid-air. Not a very psychic power, is it?
The killer could be able to project a body elsewhere, or be able to possess other people, which would very well be comic booky "psychic powers." And reconciling Kaito's and Angela's attack as with the same power is no different than reconciling the memory-erasing and power-blocking that the Haitan is capable of, really. Some of these powers are pretty darn vague.

And we don't know that Matt's dad is the killer. We know that he uses the same damn symbol that half the cast are using at this point, but that doesn't really tell us anything. We know that Mr. Nakamura recognized the killer, and suggested to Angela that it was one of the original SuperFriends -- but that leaves, what, a half-dozen suspects including Matt's dad?

[Otto]

Also, I haven't seen anyone mention that the woman between Papa Parkman and the Alchemist is Joanna Cassidy (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001026/).
I read this as Joanna Cameron (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0131622/) for a second and got way too excited at the prospect.

[D_Odds]

At the end of last season, I offered up the idea that just because the guy can look back (and maybe is trying to hide), it doesn't make him a big, bad guy. It could just be a child's misinterpretation because she is not used to people being able to see her when she uses her abilities. While I think that would be a cool twist, I put the possibility of that kind of swerve very low. Still, if it happens, you heard it here first!

[John Mace]

Yeah, this episode was quite a bit better that the earlier ones this season. But it was the same for the first season. It wasn't until episode 3 or 4 until the show really seemed to hit its stride.
I really liked this episode. I'm back to being interested in most of the characters again, as they are not acting completely stupid.

I wonder if Nathan's kids have any powers. Are they the only offspring from our current crop of Heroes?

[Cuckoorex]

I wonder if West might be Nathan's clone. Powers might not be inherited exactly, but wouldn't a clone potentially have the same abilities?

[randwill]

Being able to imitate things you see on tv isn't a very inspiring power. I hope Mikah's other cousin, the useless, bitchy adolescent lump who wanted his grandmother to pony up 65 bucks so he could watch wrestling, doesn't have a power.But EVERYBODY has a super power on this show. That's why it's called "Heroes", right? Some are less obvious; Burger Bonanza manager has the power to look like Chi McBride and Uhura has super-napping powers that allow her to doze while kids talk and watch TV in the same room. Mikah's cousin can make water drip on your face (he'll probably be able to control larger bodies of water later on) and who knows what eerie power the friend-of-Burger Queen possesses. Merely the power to reveal a character's backstory or much, much more? Super-french frying, perhaps?

And not only does every single character have a super power, some are getting new ones. Nathan now has the power to make his reflection look like the Phantom of the Opera. He's done it twice now. It might not seem like a very useful power, but just you wait.

Yeah, yeah I know there are two or three characters who don't SEEM to have powers yet, but who'll be the least bit surprised when Claire's brother sprouts a third eye in the middle of his forehead or Mohinder's hair develops a separate consciouness?

[Otto]

I wonder if Nathan's kids have any powers. Are they the only offspring from our current crop of Heroes?
Micah of course is an offspring of the current crop. Future-Matt had a son who apparently had powers, but mainstream Matt believes that the baby his ex was carrying was not his.

[D_Odds]

For anyone besides me who cares, that was Rey Misterio Jr. wrestling Randy Orton. The move is called the "619" because it is Rey's area code, and after he hits it, it is time to go home.

[simster]

I think it bears repeating:

The person/persons killing the 12 does not have to be one of them - Papa Sulu's recognition of him/her does not make him a member.

Molly being scared of the "boogeyman" does not make the boogeyman bad - just scary to Molly.

I think these two ideas will play out better than the alternative(s).

I also get the feeling that 'BurgerGirl' will be the first to don costume and fight villany in that fair city.

[Bob Ducca]

Being able to imitate things you see on tv isn't a very inspiring power. I hope Mikah's other cousin, the useless, bitchy adolescent lump who wanted his grandmother to pony up 65 bucks so he could watch wrestling, doesn't have a power.

Is is just me or did that kid look distractingly like former American Idol contestant Melinda Doolittle (http://www.musicforthesoul.org/images/melindaddoolittle.jpg).

[Terminus Est]

I wonder if Nathan's kids have any powers. Are they the only offspring from our current crop of Heroes?
One of Nathan's kids - Claire - has a power.

And not only does every single character have a super power, some are getting new ones. The Haitian also has the power to move wind chimes (although we may already have seen that last season).

[NailBunny]

Forgot to add - did anyone else do a double-take when Matt admitted the reason for the divorce was his wife was pregnant as the result of her affair?! Had they already established this? I watched the entire first season recently, and just remember the two of them being all shmoopy and stupidly-happy about her being pregnant, and when I heard that last night my heart broke for Matt a little.

[Lightray]

I wonder if West might be Nathan's clone. Powers might not be inherited exactly, but wouldn't a clone potentially have the same abilities?
Why on Earth would you think that this show -- which foreshadows plot points for entire episodes before they're realized -- would pull clones out of nowhere to explain something that they've already told us happens?

Powers repeat. Claude knew another empath before Peter. Claire and Kensei both heal. Nathan and West both fly.

No clone goofiness required.

The Haitian also has the power to move wind chimes (although we may already have seen that last season).
I think the windchimes were moving because of a big ol' whoosh. They were established last season as Claire's signal to alert the Haitan she needed to talk to him. Now Noah is using the same signal. So, they'd move because they're wind chimes, hung out in the wind.

[Cat Whisperer]

<snip>Did we ever learn what (if any) power Papa Sulu has/had ?
He had the power to teach mastery of swordfighting in half an hour.

How about Joanna Cassidy for Niki's mom? Did we ever see her mom?

[Terminus Est]

I think the windchimes were moving because of a big ol' whoosh. They were established last season as Claire's signal to alert the Haitan she needed to talk to him. Now Noah is using the same signal. So, they'd move because they're wind chimes, hung out in the wind.
I hear wind chimes. The Haitian must be near. ;)

[Promethea]

I thought this was pretty great - best episode of the new season so far and a big relief after last week when I was beginning to think the show was starting to lose its way.

Mind you, I'm even more confused about Angela Petrelli's injuries now. So they were self-inflicted, technically? So are we dealing with some sort of astral projectionist here, a powerful telepath... or are her nails just really that lethal and she staged the whole thing? But why do that?

I'm presuming she's not faking it as
A) she has confessed to the crime anyway.
B) Matt the telepath believes her.
C) Nathan believes she's innocent and she doesn't so much argue as deem it irrelevant compared to worse crimes she actually has carried out. This does not seem like someone trying to go the extra mile to hide a crime.

Any thoughts?

By the way, Christine Rose was AWESOME this week - I really hope they keep her around. As was Adrian Pasdar - so glad to see him back and onscreen for longer than two minutes this week too. I think the show really suffers when he's not around.

[Otto]

So they were self-inflicted, technically?
Presumably the medical conclusion, since there was no one visible in the room with her, is that they are self-inflicted.

I'm presuming she's not faking it as
A) she has confessed to the crime anyway.
B) Matt the telepath believes her.
Matt does not believe that she killed Papa Sulu. She told him mentally that her confession was the only way to keep "them" from finding out "what we can do."

[Cuckoorex]

No clone goofiness required.


Agreed...but it would be a very comic book thing to do. (Looking at YOU, Spider-Clone)

[scotandrsn]

... and then who should they run into (almost literally) but Gabriel, aka Sylar. ...

Now this reminds me of an interesting point. What are we to make of Sylar's behavior this ep? He deliberately does not refer to himself as Sylar, giving the sense that perhaps he is trying to distance himself from his past and start anew, but then he bashes Surf-boy's head in before taking off with the Wonder Twins.

So is he reformed, reforming, failing to reform, or just the same miserable sonovabitch he's always been and proud of it? With no power-sucking ability, what does he want with Maya and Alejandro?

[D_Odds]

So is he reformed, reforming, failing to reform, or just the same miserable sonovabitch he's always been and proud of it? With no power-sucking ability, what does he want with Maya and Alejandro?He wants Suresh to make him better again, to make him Sylar again. Probably hasn't yet figured out how he'll convince the addled doctor to help a sociopath, though.

[scotandrsn]

Those were my thoughts when Molly picked him out of the photo, as well. The guy looks too likeable to be the villain, and he's too fat to be the pusher. Further, the pusher upped and ran away afterwards, unhurt, or flew off in mid-air. ...

Or turned invisible after either surviving the fall or grabbing onto something on the way down until the coast was clear.

Honestly, I don't know what peoples' problem is with thinking the unseen killer is Claude.

After all, just this week there have been two (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/2007/10/13/christopher-eccleston-on-life-after-doctor-who-86908-19945930/) articles (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a77689/eccleston-bombarded-with-tea-on-heroes.html) from apparently the same interview where Christopher Eccleston talked, not about his current stinker of a movie, but how much he enjoyed being served tea on the set of Heroes when he was filming his scenes a million years ago, and he refuses to confirm or deny that he'll be on this season.

Ergo Claude is the killer. QED.

[Morbo]

Matt does not believe that she killed Papa Sulu. She told him mentally that her confession was the only way to keep "them" from finding out "what we can do."

I think she's either doing the killing herself, or knows who is and is involved with that person in an evil way. There was a very quick smirk on her face as she was led out of the police station that was kinda like "Heh. I tricked the empath."

You heard it here first.

[Geobabe]

Presumably the medical conclusion, since there was no one visible in the room with her, is that they are self-inflicted.That was my interpretation, too; there was no other explanation that they could give the doctors. She wasn't about to tell them she was attacked by psychic powers, nor would they have believed her.

Matt does not believe that she killed Papa Sulu. She told him mentally that her confession was the only way to keep "them" from finding out "what we can do."And I found that interesting--there's been lots of speculation on whether she has a power, and this confirms it, though it's still unclear precisely what it is.

[D_Odds]

And I found that interesting--there's been lots of speculation on whether she has a power, and this confirms it, though it's still unclear precisely what it is.No it doesn't. She knows Matt is a telepath and she puts the thoughts she wants him to hear in the front of her mind, just like when she told him to "Get out of my head!" I'd say it is still inconclusive, though I'm leaning towards no powers.

[Otto]

He wants Suresh to make him better again, to make him Sylar again.
Which would be quite the feat, since Sylar bashed Chandra Suresh's head in about ten months ago.

Honestly, I don't know what peoples' problem is with thinking the unseen killer is Claude.
I'm not sure which unseen killer you mean. If you're talking about the person who killed Papa Sulu, then s/he wasn't unseen. S/he was quite visible before and during the bum rush off the roof. Which argues against its being Claude, because even if Claude for whatever reason wanted Papa Sulu to know it was him, how would he do that while concealing his face and why after allowing Papa Sulu to figure out who he was would he stay visible during the bum rush? If you're talking about the person who attacked Angela, then the reason it's not Claude is, because unless Claude can make himself intangible, there is no way that he could continue the attack on Angela while Matt and Nathan were in close quarters. They were simply too close to her at the precinct for there to have been a tangible person of Claude's size working her over.

[Otto]

I'd say it is still inconclusive, though I'm leaning towards no powers.
I'm leaning slightly toward "power" myself, which is a reversal of my position last season when I was firmly in the "no power" camp.

[D_Odds]

Which would be quite the feat, since Sylar bashed Chandra Suresh's head in about ten months ago.After the whole sword through the gut thing, he's still a little woozy on the fine points - Mohinder, Chandra, what's the difference? (besides the hair). It's not like Gabriel would ever intentionally lie to someone to get their aid. :cool:

[DustyButt]

Maybe I'm missing something but I detect a repeating of certain superpower themes...

Flying: Nathan, West

Healing: Linderman, Claire, Kensei

Atomic/Field Manipulation: The Toaster Melter (killed by Sylar), Sprague, Bob the Alchemist, Micah (arguably), InvisibleMan

Psycic: Candice, Parkman & Son, Mama Patrelli, Shaft (I can't recall his character's name), The Black Eyed Twins, Jessica

Time/Space: Hiro, FuturePainter (arguably)

Enhanced Learning/Teaching: Charlie, Sylar, Peter (arguably), Nawlins, Keito Nakamura (arguably but more likely time manipulation)

Enhanced Physical Ability: MiracleEar (killed by Sylar), Nikki

Most of these abilities have an original Justice League member and an abductee.
Do you think the Justice League was trying to clone themselves due to their age? I'm willing to bet Kensei is still alive due to his powers. I think Linderman got old because he could heal others but not himself.

The real Bad Guy is probably some genetic Monster that got out of control. Sylar will save everyone and kill it at the end of this season, and go back to being the bad guy next season.

That's my early prediction.

[SenorBeef]

Angela Petrelli seems like she might have some power of influence, but more subtle than... uh... big ear girl. Eden?

They do audio manipulations of her voice sometimes when she's speaking (and in this episode, her mental voice, IIRC), which could be a cue that she's using her power.

She's also been quite the manipulator at various times in the show - I can't think of a specific instance, but hasn't she talked people into drastically changing their minds? Nathan, multiple times, with the whole blow up New York thing, for instance.

[scotandrsn]

...I'm not sure which unseen killer you mean. If you're talking about the person who killed Papa Sulu, then s/he wasn't unseen. S/he was quite visible before and during the bum rush off the roof. Which argues against its being Claude, because even if Claude for whatever reason wanted Papa Sulu to know it was him, how would he do that while concealing his face and why after allowing Papa Sulu to figure out who he was would he stay visible during the bum rush? If you're talking about the person who attacked Angela, then the reason it's not Claude is, because unless Claude can make himself intangible, there is no way that he could continue the attack on Angela while Matt and Nathan were in close quarters. They were simply too close to her at the precinct for there to have been a tangible person of Claude's size working her over.

All reasonable enough, but IMO it assumes a level of attention to detail that has not been consistently in evidence on this show.

ETA: Oh, and by unseen, I meant AFTER the fall from the roof. Most assume the killer left by some means. I allow the possibility that they did not.

[Lightray]

She's also been quite the manipulator at various times in the show - I can't think of a specific instance, but hasn't she talked people into drastically changing their minds? Nathan, multiple times, with the whole blow up New York thing, for instance.
We had this meme keep cropping up last season. Yes, Angela kept putting her hands all over Nathan, and arguing that he should do what she wanted him to do. Time and again, he agreed with her -- and then did whatever it was that he wanted to do. She also tried arguing with Peter. No luck there, either.

So, unless her power is to convince people to do the things they were going to do anyway, doubtful that is her power.

It is probably the dream-visions power that Peter has displayed a few times -- he had to have empathed it off of someone, and either Angela or Mr. Deveaux are really the only candidates for it. Since Mr. Deveaux had some sort of power that allowed him to realize that Peter was on the Rooftop Of Blue Sadness in the past, I'm thinking the dream-visions thing is probably momma's.

[WaryEri]

The going wild-ass theory in my household is that the oddly blurred Arthur Petrelli in the photo looks a little like Kensei. Powers skipping a generation?

[GuanoLad]

So Bob the Alchemist's last name was rather deliberately not mentioned. Ten to one that his surname will be a significant revelationary twist.

I've merged together all the images of the photo to make one picture (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7403998@N05/1594644811/).

[Pel2na]

Another wild-ass theory. If the signs of old age all result from some breakdown in the physical system, and if the healing/regenerative powers exhibited by Claire, Peter, and now Kensei instantly detect any breakdown in the physical system and repair it to it's healthy state, then those three characters are, as long as they have their power intact, functionally immortal. Which would put Kensei into the Prime Suspect spot. Questionable morality, similar structure, someone Papa N would recognize, and escapability after the drop.

[Oslo Ostragoth]

If I had that power I'd watch a ton of poker shows.Bingo.

[Rich Mann]

I missed the last 15 minutes or so. From where the Haitian said Odessa, Russia. Spoil?
I believe he said Odessa, Texas. One of the most awful smells I've ever experienced was near Odessa. A mixture of oil refinery and cowshit. You can't imagine.

In other news, no-one has mentioned that the group photo was apparently taken on the Inexplicably Blue Roof so I thought I'd point it out.

[Sampiro]

I believe he said Odessa, Texas. One of the most awful smells I've ever experienced was near Odessa. A mixture of oil refinery and cowshit. You can't imagine.

The Haitian said "Odessa" to which Bennet asked "Texas?" and Haitian responded "Ukraine". I wonder if Odessa, Ukraine also has a Primatech Paper.

Definitely the best episode this season due to a manageable number of characters and the better actors at that (minus Bad Charo and her enabling brother). A few plotholes, though, one already mentioned (the "can't find service jobs in New Orleans" one).

Wouldn't it make a lot more sense for the Bennets to (with complete legality) homeschool their kids? So many people do it today it wouldn't raise eyebrows, and Mr. Muggles would love the company.

I don't think the woman in the photo is Nichelle "my character has nothing to do but it's free money on a hit show" Nichols' character. May be Devoe's daughter, though (name eludes me at the moment), or perhaps she's Hispanic and a tie-in to either the twins or Isaac Mendez. (Odd is that none of the uber-elite uber-secret uber-selective international societies I've belonged to have posed for group photos, but then we all want to drop a few pounds first.)

Evidently Matt's wife's baby daddy was determined in the past 4 months. If he's telling the truth, which there's no reason to doubt.

Anybody else hear the theme to "Let your Soul Glooooooooooooo...." when they see Micah's hair? Or hear "I'm Just a Human Being (http://youtube.com/watch?v=CKhYoeC-X-Q)" when Cousin was with the burger manager?

[Gukumatz]

Anybody else hear the theme to "Let your Soul Glooooooooooooo...." when they see Micah's hair? Or hear "I'm Just a Human Being (http://youtube.com/watch?v=CKhYoeC-X-Q)" when Cousin was with the burger manager?

Dunno, in my head, the Lionel Richie soundtrack is on loop whenever he enters the frame.

[Maus Magill]

(Odd is that none of the uber-elite uber-secret uber-selective international societies I've belonged to have posed for group photos, but then we all want to drop a few pounds first.)Amateur. All the best secret societies have group photos taken, so the police can use them years later to track down our mysterious killers.

Seriously, the photo gave me a Crimebusters from Watchmen vibe. Anyone else?

[ouryL]

Was/Is that Kensei on the bottom right?

They showed Nathan's doppleganger again.
Hmm?
Who else do we know who has a mirror double?
:rolleyes:

[Sampiro]

Who else do we know who has a mirror double?
:rolleyes:

Well, at least if he ever meets her they can go on a double date, and then write a children's book called Micah Has Two Mommies and Three Daddies.

[Promethea]

Well, at least if he ever meets her they can go on a double date, and then write a children's book called Micah Has Two Mommies and Three Daddies.

Or maybe they can just rent space in a church basement in which they set up a support group for alcoholics who are being stalked by their own Evil Mirror image.

[Sampiro]

How long before an episode called Mirror/Mirror (if there hasn't been one already)?

The irritating thing to me about Heroes is that it's a good show that could and should be a GREAT show.

[Otto]

Well, at least if he ever meets her...
They've met. And by "met" I mean screwed like bunnies in Linderman's casino.

I'm trying to recall if Niki had a line in the season finale about Jessica's being gone. I kind of remember it. In "Five Years Later" Future-Niki was involved with Future-Peter (that sounds dirty) and F-P said something then about Jessica's being gone.

They've never specified whether "Jessica" is just Niki's other personality or whether it's her dead sister Jessica having set up shop in Niki's body. If the latter, it's possible that Jessica's now inhabiting Nathan which is why he's seeing the reflection. But that would suck. Alternatively, Nathan could have been healed up by someone (Linderman if he survived which, I hope not, or another as-yet unrevealed healer) and he's seeing his burned-up reflection because of guilt.

[Cat Whisperer]

Is it possible that Peter healed Nathan? Was Peter ever in contact with Linderman?

[Otto]

Is it possible that Peter healed Nathan? Was Peter ever in contact with Linderman?
No.

[Sampiro]

They've met. And by "met" I mean screwed like bunnies in Linderman's casino.


:smack: Of course...

With all of the characters it's getting harder to keep up with who has met/shagged/not met whom; they need a glossary.

[Lightray]

They've never specified whether "Jessica" is just Niki's other personality or whether it's her dead sister Jessica having set up shop in Niki's body. If the latter, it's possible that Jessica's now inhabiting Nathan which is why he's seeing the reflection. But that would suck. Alternatively, Nathan could have been healed up by someone (Linderman if he survived which, I hope not, or another as-yet unrevealed healer) and he's seeing his burned-up reflection because of guilt.
Even if Jessica is some kind of body-jumping hero, Niki never interacted with Nathan before he flew Peter away to go boom on the plaza. And we know that Jessica was still in Niki's head when she smacked dead Candice around just before that.

I suspect that the key to Jessica is in that now-you-see-it, now-you-don't tattoo of hers (and Peter. maybe.). And that's probably what Niki wants the Company to "fix," so we'll probably see that plotline advance next Monday (along with Peter's Oirish Gang and Kensei & Hiro's Excellent Adventure).

... okay, now I'm envisioning next season being Kensei & Hiro starting up a band named Wild Stallyns to save the future. hrm.

[Terminus Est]

Even if Jessica is some kind of body-jumping hero, Niki never interacted with Nathan before he flew Peter away to go boom on the plaza. And we know that Jessica was still in Niki's head when she smacked dead Candice around just before that.
Sure she did. Niki (not Jessica) spoke with Nathan right before he went to see Linderman. She told him to kill Linderman and gave him her (or rather Jessica's) gun.

[MovieMogul]

Originally Posted by Carnick
If I had that power I'd watch a ton of poker shows.Bingo.Sorry, but I do think you could make more money on poker than on bingo. ;)

[Lightray]

Sure she did. Niki (not Jessica) spoke with Nathan right before he went to see Linderman. She told him to kill Linderman and gave him her (or rather Jessica's) gun.
That was way before the final episode! We saw Jessica turn up in Niki many times after that. The last time we saw Jessica for sure, it was when Niki confronted Candice. After that she schlepped DL and Micah out into the plaza, conked Sylar with a parking meter, and didn't talk to Nathan at all when he showed up to fly Peter away.

[Terminus Est]

I didn't realize we were just talking about the final episode.

[Cat Whisperer]

:smack: Of course...

With all of the characters it's getting harder to keep up with who has met/shagged/not met whom; they need a glossary.
I need a diagram. With pictures.

[DustyButt]

I've merged together all the images of the photo to make one picture (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7403998@N05/1594644811/).

Nice work...

Why is Anderson Cooper in the lower right hand corner?

I wonder if the final face is Kensei?

I wonder what the story is behind Papa Petrelli having his head turned?

[Green Eyed Stranger]

One thing about the picture...who took it?

I didn't see it mentioned anywhere in this thread, but what was with the roach on the brick that Sylar used on the car thief?

Slightly off topic, my wife noticed that one of our local weather (http://www.ksnt.com/about/bios/weather/3268751.html) guys looks just like Sylar (http://heroeswiki.com/Zachary_Quinto). Kinda creepy.

GES

[Rubystreak]

I wonder what the story is behind Papa Petrelli having his head turned?

My totally wild guess is that he was turning his head really fast, so the camera couldn't capture him but for a moving blur... maybe super speed was his power?

[Saltire]

The power-folks are falling into clear age groups: Parents, their kids, and the kid's kids.

I forsee Claire, Micah, West, Micah's cousin and the new girl from next week forming an angsty teen super-group!

More seriously, the only thing I'm going to predict is that when they give us more history on Maya and Alejandro (probably in the online comic) we'll find out that they didn't grow up together. They only found out they were twins recently, when their powers started showing up. Their meeting will have been a miraculous coincidence.

The only reasons I predict this is that it's a plot often used on twins, and the fact that only Maja seems to have learned English. If they'd known each other all their lives, they'd have had similar educations and I'd expect Alejandro to be at least a little bilingual.

Of course, this is a totally meaningless plot point to predict. But by writing it, I can claim to have figured something out before its reveal. If I'm right, that is.

[simster]

My totally wild guess is that he was turning his head really fast, so the camera couldn't capture him but for a moving blur... maybe super speed was his power?

Only half right - he was trying to beat the shutter.

[Rubystreak]

Only half right - he was trying to beat the shutter.

Do we know this for certain, and if so, how? I'm new to this show (just watched the first ep in real time this week, after catch up via DVD), so fill me in.

[Loach]

All reasonable enough, but IMO it assumes a level of attention to detail that has not been consistently in evidence on this show.

ETA: Oh, and by unseen, I meant AFTER the fall from the roof. Most assume the killer left by some means. I allow the possibility that they did not.

I'll have to go back and look but I believe it clearly shows the unibomber going over the side with Sulu. Claude is invisible. He can't fly or bounce off the pavement. Maybe his corpse was invisible on the pavement but I doubt it. It wasn't Claude.

[Otto]

The only reasons I predict this is that it's a plot often used on twins, and the fact that only Maja seems to have learned English. If they'd known each other all their lives, they'd have had similar educations and I'd expect Alejandro to be at least a little bilingual.
Maybe he studied French instead.

Do we know that he doesn't understand English? I thought I remembered a few subtitles where he was reacting to an English statement without a translation (i.e. Sylar: "Where are you going?" Alejandro in Spanish: "don't tell him.").

[GuanoLad]

Just thought of something.

Noah Bennett is not part of the team in the photo. I was sort of expecting that the 8 paintings of Isaac's would all be of that team.

So there may be a possibility that it's Bob the Alchemist in that painting? Unlikely, I suppose, but I'll cling to that idea for a while yet.

[Oslo Ostragoth]

Sorry, but I do think you could make more money on poker than on bingo. ;)Poorly phrased.

[enigm4tic]

Noah is clearly not part of the photo team *unless* he is the photographer. Given his relatively low status in *the company* this is highly suspect. I suspect that the photographer is irrelevant to the show, the people *In* the photo are what matters, we can vaguely identify all of them.

[Cuckoorex]

OK, the Company 'tagged' Parkman, and they also tagged Ted and Isaac, and we now know that Parkman's dad was one of the "Originals", so does that mean that Ted was the son of one of that group? And Isaac? What about Hana 'Wireless'? Was she the daughter of someone in that photo? Is the new generation of "Heroes" limited to the offspring of that original group? What about Sylar? One argument against this would be the Haitian, who appears to have no connection at all to the original group. I got nothin'.

If the killer was Claude, why would he have appeared at all to Nakamura? He could have pushed him off the ledge without being seen at all. Then again, he CLEARLY went over the side with him, so he would have to have some way of surviving. Maybe there are multiple killers? A Legion of Doom, so to speak? I say "Legion of Doom" in jest, since it may in fact be that these killings represent long-delayed justice for all of the horrible things that Mrs. Petrelli claims that she (and presumably others in that photo) did.

[DrDeth]

Bob (known, power known)



What's Bob's power?

[DrDeth]

What's Bob's power?

Never mind I remember now. :smack:

[DrDeth]

Matt does not believe that she killed Papa Sulu.

The characters name is Kaito Nakamura. I am suprised you don't know that.

[Otto]

OK, the Company 'tagged' Parkman, and they also tagged Ted and Isaac, and we now know that Parkman's dad was one of the "Originals", so does that mean that Ted was the son of one of that group? And Isaac? What about Hana 'Wireless'? Was she the daughter of someone in that photo? Is the new generation of "Heroes" limited to the offspring of that original group? What about Sylar? One argument against this would be the Haitian, who appears to have no connection at all to the original group. I got nothin'.
The Company "bagged and tagged" any of the supers they came across. West is tagged and there's been no suggestion that he's related to anyone.

The characters name is Kaito Nakamura. I am suprised you don't know that.
"Papa Sulu" is easier for me to type and you obviously know exactly who I was talking about. Get over it.

[Lightray]

Do we know this for certain, and if so, how? I'm new to this show (just watched the first ep in real time this week, after catch up via DVD), so fill me in.
No, it isn't known for certain. It's more goofy conjecture, just unlabeled as such.

More plausible: he's looking at Kaito, because Kaito is standing right next to his wife Angela, and they'd slept together.

The only reasons I predict this is that it's a plot often used on twins, and the fact that only Maja seems to have learned English. If they'd known each other all their lives, they'd have had similar educations and I'd expect Alejandro to be at least a little bilingual.
Since Majjja and Alehhhandro managed to grow up as twins who have two completely different Spanish accents, it's not too surprising that one of 'em learned English too, and the other didn't.

[Wile E]

Another daddy issue, didn't Sylar's dad also abandon him when he was a kid? Maybe there's some super who just ran around spreading his super seed so he could see how many super offspring he could produce?

[E-Sabbath]

Why do you think Papa Sulu is dead? We saw _a_ body...

[Lightray]

Why do you think Papa Sulu is dead? We saw _a_ body...
If there's a murder investigation, then there was an autopsy. And we know that Ando was there as a witness, so they had someone who could have identified the body. And it has been long enough since for Ando to have returned to Japan, returned to his job, and be slacking off from his job again. All during that time, no sign of Mr. Nakamura. And I can't think of an instance on this show where the writers had a wild plot-twist that they hadn't foreshadowed well beforehand. We've seen nothin' like that.

[Maus Magill]

If there's a murder investigation, then there was an autopsy. And we know that Ando was there as a witness, so they had someone who could have identified the body. And it has been long enough since for Ando to have returned to Japan, returned to his job, and be slacking off from his job again. All during that time, no sign of Mr. Nakamura. And I can't think of an instance on this show where the writers had a wild plot-twist that they hadn't foreshadowed well beforehand. We've seen nothin' like that.
Would Bob the Alchemist be able to transmute a random dead guy into Papa Sulu?

[Yumblie]

Would Bob the Alchemist be able to transmute a random dead guy into Papa Sulu?

Wait, I thought Bobchemist's power was just changing things into gold. Can he change stuff into other stuff?

[simster]

No, it isn't known for certain. It's more goofy conjecture, just unlabeled as such.


True - its meant as 'humourous' conjecture - but it does nicely explain who took the picture!

(otherwise, in true mystery form - its the picture taker that doing the murdering!)

[Maus Magill]

Wait, I thought Bobchemist's power was just changing things into gold. Can he change stuff into other stuff?
We know he can turn things to gold for certain, but are other transmutations possible?

[Lightray]

Would Bob the Alchemist be able to transmute a random dead guy into Papa Sulu?
Truly, there is nothing beyond his vast and plot-breaking powers. He actually transformed West into Peter so he could fly cross-country at supersonic speeds invisibly to look like someone Kaito knew while knocking him off a building for no particular reason.

And let's not get into the unspeakable things he did to Nathan's beard.

[Otto]

And let's not get into the unspeakable things he did to Nathan's beard.
Leave Heidi out of it!

[DrDeth]

"Papa Sulu" is easier for me to type and you obviously know exactly who I was talking about. Get over it.

For Papa Sulu, yes, for others such as Mustache Man, I have no idea. Look Otto, you often have entertaining and informative posts. But you insist upon using the sill-asssed nicknames gleaned from another MB. However, that MB likes to confuse and confound outsiders, it's members are seriosu TV fanwanks. They love stuff like knowing that a new character played a minor part on a obscure show years ago, and then referring to him by that name. But that's them, not us. Here at the SDMB we are dedicated to fightig ignorance, not increasing it. There, anyone reading a thread will already know tons of obscure stuff about that show. Here we have dudes who have never watched the show, or are at best casual watchers, who would still like to find out what's up. They can't do that if we use silly obscure nicknames.

So I am asking you as a favor to me, as a fellow SDMB Charter Member, to please stop using silly confusing nicknames. Do it also as a favour to the casual watcher here on the SDMB. Please also keep on with your amusing and helpful posts. But Please, as a favour, stop with the nick-names. OK?

[Otto]

But you insist upon using the sill-asssed nicknames gleaned from another MB.
I assume you mean TWoP, and that is incorrect. I do not frequent those boards and I have no idea what nicknames if any are used there. The nicknames that I've used here either I've made up or have picked up from someone else here.

So I am asking you as a favor to me, as a fellow SDMB Charter Member, to please stop using silly confusing nicknames. Do it also as a favour to the casual watcher here on the SDMB. Please also keep on with your amusing and helpful posts. But Please, as a favour, stop with the nick-names. OK?
Well, you know what, no. I'm going to continue to do as I have been, which is to maybe use a nickname if I have no idea what the character's name is as a convenient shorthand, and then once I know the character's name use the character name and on a very rare occasion if it's easier to type or if the nickname would be humorous in a particular context, use it. Honestly, I'm getting more than a little bit tired of being singled out and attacked for this. I've been taking shots starting with the first episode of the season over this and it's bullshit. I realize that some may be more obscure than others (and I don't use nicknames like "Mustache Man") and I'm sorry if people can't figure out that for instance "Papa Sulu" might be referring to the character played by the same guy who played Sulu for 30 years or that "Cheerbleeder" could possibly be a reference to the cheerleader character, but I hardly think it rises to the level of "promoting ignorance." So with all due respect, I have to decline to do you this favor.

[Lightray]

Eh. As nicknames go, "Papa Sulu" isn't too bad. After all, Heroes deliberately cast Sulu, and have made in-jokey references to that fact (e.g., his lisence plate).

And -- as with the Wonder Twins -- Kaito Nakamura just isn't a name that's easy to bring to mind (for me, at least). That nickname at least has a good chance of identifying the character by association.

Now, "Smallville" is just trying so hard to be clever that it's confusing. The character (West) flies, whereas one of the main points in Smallville is that Clark Kent does not fly. Furthermore, the actors don't even resemble each other beyond "dark hair, playing an age they're 10 years past." Reading that in someone's post not only adds confusion, it makes me inclined to disregard whatever they might be trying to say, out of annoyance.

Others of the (hopefully dead) nicknames were equally as grating. "Doppelbanger" in particular, mostly because people seemed to want to misspell it "dopplebanger" because most people know of the Doppler effect, but unless you're German or played D&D you're unlikely to know what a doppelgänger is. Stuff like that really detracts from the thread conversation.

[Terminus Est]

I don't mind nicknames, especially if they're clever. "Papa Sulu" is just obvious. I'll continue to refer to Claire's boyfriend as "not-Zach", to express my annoyance at his not being Zach. "Mystery Sock" was just mystifying. So is "Sark", for that matter. What does the villain from Tron (http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/f/ff/Sark.jpg) have to do with this show?

[Frosted Glass]

Eh. As nicknames go, "Papa Sulu" isn't too bad. After all, Heroes deliberately cast Sulu, and have made in-jokey references to that fact (e.g., his lisence plate).

And -- as with the Wonder Twins -- Kaito Nakamura just isn't a name that's easy to bring to mind (for me, at least). That nickname at least has a good chance of identifying the character by association.

Now, "Smallville" is just trying so hard to be clever that it's confusing. The character (West) flies, whereas one of the main points in Smallville is that Clark Kent does not fly. Furthermore, the actors don't even resemble each other beyond "dark hair, playing an age they're 10 years past." Reading that in someone's post not only adds confusion, it makes me inclined to disregard whatever they might be trying to say, out of annoyance.


I really don't see the big deal with the nicknames at all. Not sure why they're so offensive to everyone and why everyone else is defending them so sternly. They're convenient and you can figure it out if you read the whole thread. As far as "Smallville" goes, that just seems to agitate fans of the show Smallville. I have never liked the character of Superman and I think the show, Smallville, went far down hill so to me it is a fitting nickname for a character that I dislike. Really though, who cares. I say use whatever you please if it gets your point across.

Anyways, I was wondering if Monica can only "learn" things that she sees on television. So far, she has gained both of her talents from tv shows. I have also been wondering what the shelf life is on her newly acquired talents. Is it permanent or does it only last for a limited time. My guess, for now, is that her learning is temporary.

I am enjoying the "Peter in Ireland" storyline and I am looking forward to us getting back there. My only, very minor, complaint is that it feels too much like a separate show to me as opposed to the "Hiro in Time" storyline which still feels intimately connected to the main storyline.

GuanoLad thanks for the picture. That will likely prove extremely helpful over the course of this season.

[Sampiro]

Now that I have Papa Sulu Papa Sulu going through my head to the tune of Rock Me Amadeus, everybody else must as well.

[Otto]

What does the villain from Tron (http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/f/ff/Sark.jpg) have to do with this show?
I almost said something about that in my previous response because that was the first thing I got jumped for this season and it wasn't even intended as a nickname. The actor who plays Kensei (or however it's spelled) played, on and off for five seasons, Julian Sark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Sark) on Alias. When I recognized him I posted something like "Mmm, Sark. Sarky goodness." Which provoked howls, howls of outrage. Sorry if I overestimated the crossover fan base between two sci fi shows in making my one line reference.

[NailBunny]

Now that I have Papa Sulu Papa Sulu going through my head to the tune of Rock Me Amadeus, everybody else must as well.

Sorry, no. Every time I open this thread, I get (from the Simpsons musical Street Car): "You can al-ways depend on the kind-ness of strangers..."

[scotandrsn]

Not to interrupt the superbly fascinating continuing discussion of the merits or lack thereof of character nicknames, but i have a mild spoiler.

Maybe this has been brought up before, but Heroes producer/director Greg Beeman has a blog (http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/) where he recaps the shows, and reveals behind-the scenes tidbits. Interesting reading.

Stuff from past episodes:

Claire's toe was not supposed to grow back, but she was supposed to be able to reattach it. It looked horrible in post, and turned out to be easier to show it regrowing.

Candice and Sylar were supposed to have a multi-episode story arc, but then the actress got a lead on Reaper, so they killed her off.

Beeman seems to have no clue on how leaden the pace was in the opening episodes.

And upcoming:

That’s it for this week. Next week Micah and Monica explore what the heck is happening to Monica, Matt and Nathan meet “The Nightmare Man,” Peter resumes his adventures in Ireland… And a new super baddie enters the fray!!!

[Maus Magill]

Now that I have Papa Sulu Papa Sulu going through my head to the tune of Rock Me Amadeus, everybody else must as well.
Drop me, Papa Sulu.

[Terminus Est]

I almost said something about that in my previous response because that was the first thing I got jumped for this season and it wasn't even intended as a nickname. The actor who plays Kensei (or however it's spelled) played, on and off for five seasons, Julian Sark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Sark) on Alias. When I recognized him I posted something like "Mmm, Sark. Sarky goodness." Which provoked howls, howls of outrage. Sorry if I overestimated the crossover fan base between two sci fi shows in making my one line reference.
A throwaway comment like that is fine, especially since Greg Grunberg was also in Alias. (See, I do know something about that show, despite my only watching it for 1/2 a season.) But others picked it up and continue to use it, which is just confusing. No one refers to Parkman by his character's name on Alias, why do it for Kensei?

And to further my own personal confusion: "Kensei" means "sword saint". It's also one of the character classes you can choose in the video game Baldur's Gate 2. The villain's very distinctive voice in that game was provided by David Warner, who also played - yup, you guessed it - Sark on Tron.

Maybe this season would be better if Hiro got digitized into the cyber Tron world and fought Sark with a frisbee rather than running around feudal Japan trying to help Sark with a sword.

[Sampiro]

Sorry, no. Every time I open this thread, I get (from the Simpsons musical Street Car): "You can al-ways depend on the kind-ness of strangers..."

Which also features Dr. Zaius Dr. Zaius- it's one of those weird coincidences that can only be explained by Mohinder (who I'm nicknaming "Vidvana McDreamy").

[scotandrsn]

...Stuff from past episodes:...

Oh yeah, and the reason we didn't see any of Kensei's fight with the 90 angry Ronin is that the entire castle and the approaching samurai were all CGI.

[Otto]

But others picked it up and continue to use it, which is just confusing.
hope you're not blaming me for this.
And to further my own personal confusion: "Kensei" means "sword saint". It's also one of the character classes you can choose in the video game Baldur's Gate 2. The villain's very distinctive voice in that game was provided by David Warner, who also played - yup, you guessed it - Sark on Tron.
I really hope you're not blaming me for this.

Which also features Dr. Zaius Dr. Zaius.
No, this song is from A Fish Called Selma.

[Terminus Est]

I really hope you're not blaming me for this.
It's all your fault, Otto. Curse you! ;)

[Drunky Smurf]

I love that Sylar is back and how they are re-including him to the show. Also I loved the ticking clock sounds when he realized that the twins had powers. Could his powers be coming back? I hope so.

I'm excited to meet the Nightmare Man.