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sly
08-13-1999, 11:18 AM
I know for a fact that there are much worse things than chopped liver. How did chopped liver earn its reputation for implying insignificance?

How about: So what am I, haggis? So what am I, blood sausage?

BunnyGirl
08-13-1999, 11:24 AM
I, personally, love chopped liver. So, Sly, if you were chopped liver to me, you'd be special indeed! :)

C K Dexter Haven
08-13-1999, 03:03 PM
On the other hand, being "toast" has to do with being utterly annihilated, and that makes no sense to me, either.

American English is a peculiar language.

Nickrz
08-13-1999, 03:09 PM
I think "chopped liver" has distinctly negative connotations for many people. Far beyond the realm of ordinary foods lies that quivering pile of occult-blood-in-your-stool colored dead animal organ. Yugg.

BurnMeUp
08-13-1999, 03:26 PM
mmm chopped liver with alittle bacon and sauteed onions!

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Guy Propski
08-13-1999, 03:39 PM
CK--you're confusing the noun "toast" with the verb "toast". When someone is "toasted", they are metaphorically burned to destruction, not metaphorically made into a breakfast food.

Nickrz--you're forgetting that the "chopped liver" phrase is most closely associated with Jews. Since chopped liver is a pretty popular Jewish food (isn't it eaten at Passovoer--someone help me here), they wouldn't view it with the same loathing and disgust you do.

Of course, as a Gentile, I must point out that I think chopped liver is pretty yummy.

Bluepony
08-13-1999, 04:20 PM
Growing up in Catholic schools most of my life, liver was usually the Wednesday or Thursday "Mystery Meat" served in the lunch room. (Now Adam Sandler's "Lunch Lady" song has suddenly started up in my head). I can't stand the smell of it to this day.

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Nickrz
08-13-1999, 04:29 PM
Why on earth did we drag Jews into this?
I said "many people." Also note, I did not necessarily include myself in that sphere. I happen to like liver.

mr john
08-13-1999, 04:34 PM
Dex, ever had my wife's toast? OWWWWWWW! when did you get home honey?

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Mazey
08-13-1999, 05:03 PM
If chopped liver is pate de fois gras, then the "chopped liver" asignee is special indeed.

If chopped liver is braunschweiger, then it's a pretty good sandwich spread. But OY VEY! The cholesterol!!!

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Akatsukami
08-13-1999, 05:34 PM
Chopped liver is always a side dish, never the main course (chopped liver is so rich that if it were the main course, the diner would probably drop dead halfway through the meal).


To say, "What am I, chopped liver?", then, is to say, "What am I, an unimportant matter away from the main concern?"

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Xgemina
08-13-1999, 10:51 PM
Hey, I like blood sausage

or should I say

Ich liebe blutwurst!

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Guy Propski
08-14-1999, 12:46 AM
This is a WAG, but I don't think the implication of the phrase is to indicate that the person is worthless. Chopped liver is a very simple food, with almost no spices or other ingredients. I think what the phrase means is, "so what am I, something ordinary?"

curwin
06-18-2001, 07:28 AM
On this site:

http://www.ohr.edu/ask/ask217.htm

they mention the following:

William Safire of the NY Times recently wrote on this very question, the origins of the phrase, "What am I, chopped liver?" Here's an excerpt:


"According to the Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang, the earliest use of this phrase was by Jimmy Durante on his 1954 CBS-TV show: "Now that ain't chopped liver."
"In a 1980 monologue about the Reagan-Carter presidential debate, Johnny Carson noted Ronald Reagan's statement that if all the unemployed were lined up, they would stretch from New York to Los Angeles. 'He came up with another one today,' said Carson. 'If everyone on welfare were chopped liver, you could spread them on a line of Ritz crackers from here to Bulgaria.' "

Arken
06-18-2001, 08:56 AM
I don't think the idea is that chopped liver is disgusting, I think the idea is that it's hard to think of anything less important in the world than chopped liver. It doesn't have the substance to be a main course, it doesn't really work as an appetizer, being meat, it isn't usually served as a side dish and it's certainly not a desert. That's why the phrase is said when someone is ignored.

On a side note, my grandmother used to make what she called 'vegetarian chopped liver' which was made of things like eggs, walnuts and green beans. It's delicious. Doesn't taste like liver though.