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The Hamster King
12-10-2007, 05:04 PM
I was reading the Wikipedia article about Easter Island and it's kind of amazing to realize that it supported an entirely self-sufficient community of humans for hundreds of years even though it's only about 65 square miles in area. North Sentinel Island is even smaller (25 square miles) and it supports a self-sufficient population of several hundred at least.

What's the smallest island (in land area) that's been self-sufficient over the long run, i.e. over multiple generations? The inhabitants needn't have been entirely isolated -- just capable of taking care of themselves without constant supply shipments from somewhere else.

jayjay
12-10-2007, 06:02 PM
Pitcairn Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitcairn_Island)? 2 sq mi, occasional trading with cruise ships and a ship from Tahiti that comes around every few months. Mostly subsistence farming.

Chief Pedant
12-10-2007, 06:21 PM
Awfully tough not to quote John Donne here...




sorry

Shagnasty
12-10-2007, 06:28 PM
Pitcairn Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitcairn_Island)? 2 sq mi, occasional trading with cruise ships and a ship from Tahiti that comes around every few months. Mostly subsistence farming.

That was my guess as well. If you thought you had it tough in school, try getting a decent prom date on Pitcairn Island. A population of 50 people produced by over 200 years of inbreeding makes that hillbilly banjo family on Deliverance look positively cosmopolitan and diverse. Still, they press on and survive somehow. Somewhere I read that half of the 50 people can't stand the other half and vice-versa. It is Gilligan's Island gone bad with no Mary Anne in sight.

A.R. Cane
12-10-2007, 06:29 PM
Awfully tough not to quote John Donne here...




sorry

That rings a bell. :p

jayjay
12-10-2007, 06:35 PM
That rings a bell. :p

*smack*

coffeecat
12-10-2007, 07:11 PM
I get the sense that Pitcairn's self-sufficiency is balanced on the point of a pencil.
The inhabitants of this tiny isolated economy exist on fishing, subsistence farming, handicrafts, and postage stamps. The fertile soil of the valleys produces a wide variety of fruits and vegetables, including citrus, sugarcane, watermelons, bananas, yams, and beans. Bartering is an important part of the economy. The major sources of revenue are the sale of postage stamps to collectors and the sale of handicrafts to passing ships. In October 2004, more than one-quarter of Pitcairn's small labor force was arrested*, putting the economy in a bind, since their services were required as lighter crew to load or unload passing ships.

*i.e., 4 men out of a labor force of 15

jtgain
12-10-2007, 08:19 PM
That was my guess as well. If you thought you had it tough in school, try getting a decent prom date on Pitcairn Island. A population of 50 people produced by over 200 years of inbreeding makes that hillbilly banjo family on Deliverance look positively cosmopolitan and diverse. Still, they press on and survive somehow. Somewhere I read that half of the 50 people can't stand the other half and vice-versa. It is Gilligan's Island gone bad with no Mary Anne in sight.


Are they all descendants of Fletcher Christian? That dude did a whole lot of screwing when he was there...

jayjay
12-10-2007, 08:40 PM
Are they all descendants of Fletcher Christian? That dude did a whole lot of screwing when he was there...

Well, Christian and the other mutineers.

Siam Sam
12-10-2007, 09:00 PM
This island Earth?

MikeS
12-10-2007, 09:08 PM
Somewhere I read that half of the 50 people can't stand the other half and vice-versa. It is Gilligan's Island gone bad with no Mary Anne in sight.
A rape trial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitcairn_sexual_assault_trial_of_2004) in 2004, and further allegations of endemic sexual abuse, will do that to a community.

Meurglys
12-11-2007, 07:49 AM
The inhabitants of St.Kilda, off the west coast of Scotland, survived for hundreds of years virtually isolated until 1930, when they asked to be evacuated...
wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Kilda%2C_Scotland) Scroll down to 'way of life' to see how remote it was!
Almost the only visitor was the annual visit to collect the rent!

jjimm
12-11-2007, 07:59 AM
Great Blasket, off the coast of Kerry, Ireland, is 1 sq mile and supported a tiny community of subsistence farmers and fishermen (that's allowed, isn't it?) until they were resettled in the 1950s.

It's where Peig Sayers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peig_Sayers), unfortunate Irish language writer, lived.

GorillaMan
12-11-2007, 03:14 PM
Great Blasket, off the coast of Kerry, Ireland, is 1 sq mile and supported a tiny community of subsistence farmers and fishermen (that's allowed, isn't it?)...
I suppose defining self-sufficient is a bit tricky! As I suspect this case demonstrates, things such as healthcare and education are impossible to provide in most cases. The Pitcairners weren't self-sufficient, financially or materially, when it came to providing for a full criminal trial.

TV time
12-11-2007, 04:01 PM
In whatever Micronesia is called these days, there is an island (in the outer islands of Yap) a little bit larger than a football field called Eurapik. It is relatively self sufficient. The main food source is fish, with a taro patch and a couple of breadfruit trees and of course a lot of coconut trees. It also has a couple of planteen trees. It was, when I was in the area, near a source of Green Sea Turtles.

A field trip ship (often a copra boat) comes out ever three or four months or so. It could be down to every two or three months threse days for all I know. Between 30 and 60 people live there as I remember.

Like most of the small islands in Micronesia these are "low islands" (basically mini coral atolls with the highest soldid spot on the island about five feet above sea level) unlike Pitcarin Island which is actually a large hunk of earth sticking out of the ocean. When the ocean rises ala global warming these are going to be under water. Then when you talk about small islands, well, wow.

The government of Micronesia is really worried about what to do with the people inhabiting these islands with the probability of global warming. Who they are is closely tied to their islands and if their islands no longer exist, there are social implications that are shaking the social structure of the Western Pacific.

The Hamster King
12-11-2007, 08:00 PM
In whatever Micronesia is called these days, there is an island (in the outer islands of Yap) a little bit larger than a football field called Eurapik.Wow. That's small. It's hard to imagine living out your entire life never travelling more than 100 yards from where you were born.

brazil84
12-11-2007, 08:11 PM
Wow. That's small. It's hard to imagine living out your entire life never travelling more than 100 yards from where you were born.

I imagine they go on boat excursions now and then. Just guessing though.