all men are created equal - geek

[bj0rn]

in the end we are all the same...then does that not mean that we are created equal?
yet i belive i can successfully argue that we are not all created equal in the physical life we now live in.

the word, or question that made me think about this was the branding of a certain group of people as "geeks", just as i could call all joks stupid or all americans self centered bastards.

the human race is a group of individuals, we are social beings and yet we have individual needs...our individual needs are sometimes based on what other individuals need or want...and even more when a group of individuals say its what you need. its the need to fit in!

ok, considering this, i now have the need to know your opinion on the matter: are all men created equal? or are some created geeks...

bj0rn

[kellibelli]

Good to see you back geek, where ya been? ;)

[bj0rn]

hehehe....good to be back

eh...ive been hibernating...until i realized im not supposed to do that ;)

bj0rn

[Momotaro]

How about 'all men are not created equal, but deserve equal respect', i.e. we should treat people not equally, but equitably.

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Only humans commit inhuman acts.

[bj0rn]

you bloody well deserve the respect you earn.
asking somebody to respect you without him knowing your actions or deeds it not vaguely silly, its quite frankly dumb...
what we should do is not to judge people in any way

bj0rn

[AuraSeer]

What makes you think "geek" is an insult? I prouly proclaim my geekdom!

-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
v3.1 GCS/S/M d- s:- !a C++++$ UL++$ P+ L++
E--- W+ N+ o++ !K w-- O- M-- V- PS+ PE Y+
PGP-- t@ 5++(++++) X- R++>$ tv+ b+++ DI++++
D++ G+++ e++>++++ h--- r++ y++
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

[UncleBeer]

Is that your final judgement, bjOrn?

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"The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind." - Humphrey Bogart

[bj0rn]

i never said geeks are geekish...i was talking about general branding of groups by somewhat larger group of the same species

bj0rn

[bj0rn]

never named a single soul...i just posted it for others to see ;)

bj0rn

[Satan]

Well, we are all created equal. After all, the geek shall inherit the earth...

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Yer pal,
Satan

So, BJ, what's the point here?

Did someone call you a geek and you what the Board to tell you that they shouldn't have because all men are created equal? (unlikely, this being the pit)

Or are you looking for an excuse for yourself to trash geeks? (unwise, since many of us here are self-admitting geeks)

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2) It's Chinese.
3) The symbols are tone marks.
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5) Just call me John, OK?

[Globe-trotter]

Beef #1 : What the hell is this thing doing in the Pit in the first place?

Beef #2 : Ever heard of upper case?



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I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts.
Will Rogers (1879-1935)

Whoops, never mind my comments. Folks, you should probably read the "DUngeons and Dragons (sic)" thread started by *shudder* Brithael to figure out why the hell Bj0rn did this.

It also clears up his meaning- fr'instance, "joks"="Jocks". I thought he meant "jokes" at first...

--John

[bj0rn]

hehehe...
obvious that you are not a jock ;)

bj0rn

[Polycarp]

::::::Leaping to Bjorn's defense::::::

Moosie, he's trying to compensate for all the troll postings in SOLID CAPS. With outrageous amounts of punctuation!!!!!!!!!! And lUdiCrouS IDeAS in what they think is CReatiVe tYpogrAphY!!!@!@!@!@!


::::drawing deep breath:::::

There, I feel better now.

[bj0rn]

brilliant posting polycarp....
:)
and you got it half right...comparing other people didnt get any of it..
its strange how he human brain works, if he doesnt understand something someone is saying, he discards it as bullshit....
bj0rn

[UncleBeer]

What would you suggest we do with it? Save it and stink up the room?

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"The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind." - Humphrey Bogart

[kellibelli]

Hey, if it looks like bullshit, and it smells like bullshit, and it tastes...nevermind.

[bj0rn]

well, its certainly better to discard it rather than throw it back!

bj0rn

[andros]

I was not created a geek, Bjorn. I made myself into one. I behave in a geek manner, enjoy geek activities, spend time with geeks. I have embraced the societal stereotype, as defined by the good looking, the charismatic, and the wealthy. I enjoy what I am and what I do.

I have clawed my way up the geek ziggurat.

I do NOT wish to be accepted in society, and I have (finally, thank ghod) grown out of wanting the "popular" people to like me. Fuck 'em. I behave as a geek without fear of censure, because the opinions of the ignorant do not matter to me.

And in return, I give jocks, politicians, and my uptight coworkers the benefit of the doubt. I try not to judge them too harshly, but I don't give a rat's ass how they judge me.

Sounds like you're upset because you don't want to accept an apellation of "geek." So don't. But get over the "can't we all just get along" bullshit. It isn't going to happen. Crying about being called names will not make the names go away.

-andros-

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"Listen Children Eternal Father Eternally One!" Exceptions? None!
-Doc Bronner

[andros]

WHAT was I thinking? I just re-read BJ's old posts. This is only going to encourage him. . .

Ummm . . . sorry all.

-a-

[tracer]

Ai\ Yue- Ha\n wrote:

Did someone call you a geek and you what the Board to tell you that they shouldn't have because all men are created equal?

I'm sorry, Ai, but my parser just couldn't handle that sentence. I think I'll lie down now.

[UncleBeer]

I think it's supposed to read "you want the...

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"The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind." - Humphrey Bogart

[BenDover]

Bjorn, first you need to define what you mean by the term 'created'. Are you referring to the Biblical creation of Adam and Eve? Or are you referring to the 'creation' of a person that occurs when the sperm and egg merge to form an embryo? Or do you mean that, at birth, all humans are helpless, innocent dependents who are then molded by their enviroment to become good or bad, successful or unsuccessful, happy or unhappy? Or are you saying that all humans are 'created equal' in that we are all members of the same species?

Clarify, please.

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The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best. - Henry Van Dyke

[bj0rn]

andros: right you are ;) but not really about the encourage thing though...
1. what other people think of you does not matter
2. what you do to other people matters

ben: how about your definition of 'created'?
shouldnt that work...its true that the words are from the bible, but it doesnt matter where the words are, or who said em...its...yes a question if we are created equal, in both physical and spiritual way!

that is, do we all have the same possibilities in life...but some outside effects like (insert name of your worst troll) either diminish our possibilities or increases it...

and one just for the purposes of the pit...
you are all wonderful beings, deserving what you want for yourselves!

bj0rn

[Konrad]

Bjorn: I think that was only supposed to refer to the law. As in "The law should treat all men AS IF they were created equal and not give preference to kings and so on...".

Do all men weight the same? Have an equal number of hairs on their head?

[BenDover]

Gee, isn't ~Konrad~ just the smartest thing? Doesn't he continue to amaze all of you with his wit and insight? We are SO PRIVILEGED to have him as a member of this message board!

But I think its perfectly obvious that SOME people are clearly superior to others, at least intellectually. Konnie has proven time and again that he is SO intellectually superior to the other board members that we often can't even understand his posts! What a terrible burden that must be for you, Konnie!

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The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best. - Henry Van Dyke

[On The Edge]

Hey-I took a physical before I went into the Army. Hell No....all men are not created equal.

[bj0rn]

yes, im really glad we are not all created equal in the terms you are referring to, my fellow clones. and im real glad we have superior beings intellectually than the rest of us who can think out smart things to say so we can enjoy reading it here on this message board. but you dont seem to be getting it through your thick heads what im talking about "created equal". what i mean in so many words is, although we arent born equal, arent we supposed to treat each other like equals in order to maintain the spiritual balance the world bloody well needs. and i can tell you this is not being practiced, proof being ongoing wars all over the world, the people who suffer because of other people who do not suffer in the same way (pretty general statement, but surves its purpose).

so bendover, bloody well lay off konrad, he got it right! you didnt...

bj0rn

[Momotaro]

Bj0rn, if you knew the answer to your own question....

[Sake Samurai]

How come almost every thread degenerates like this?

"i like Pokemon."

"I hate Pokemon. You're a ninny and you should really capitalize your i's"

"shut up your a ninny!"

"It should be you're a ninny, as in you are a ninny"

geeesh.

I'm weighing in as firmly in the "All Men are NOT Created Equally" camp. I believe prejudice is necessary too, so there!

Bj0rn- Why does my confusion because of your spelling errors mean I'm not a jock? Or was that comment directed at someone else?

Tracer- Yeah, it should have been 'want' not 'what'. Thanks UncleBeer.

Bj0rn(again)- BenDover is pursuing Konrad all over teh Board because of a disagreement they had in the Catholic Bashing thread. Konrad betrayed a slight homophobia, so BenDover is now pretending to flirt with him, in order to creep him out.

SakeSamurai- Threads in the Pit don't degenerate into name-calling and nit-picking, they start there. People who feel compelled to do that in the main boards shold probably come here. On the other hand, if typos make a post incomprehensible, someone should say something. (like Tracer did.)

--John

[tracer]

Actually, he's bj0rn, not bjOrn. With a zero.

[UncleBeer]

Thanks, Tracer. Now I understand completely.

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"The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind." - Humphrey Bogart

[Sake Samurai]

John: Sure, the Pit's for getting frustration and hatred flowing like wine at an orgy, but you don't pleasure an elephant with a toothpick!

Woah, sorry about that load of crap I just wrote. I'm metaphorically challenged. Yeah, similes get me too.

[Kat]

UncleBeer, you ninny, you're always supposed to do German first. (please insert insipid smiley guy of your choice here)

[TVeblen]

Deep sigh.
Oh, this one is hard....

All PEOPLE (yeah! even women) are created equal in their humaness. They deserve respect for that simple fact alone. We have the chance--and choice--to make of our lives what we will.

Some people choose one path (geek), some choose others (jock), ad infinitum. We live with one another and scrap and fight and stereotype other's choices.

It's messy, emotional, irrational and no one (in fact) has the rule book.

It's called Life.

We do the best we can.

Insert your own rules: e.g. "judge not", "glass houses", "quality of mercy", etc.

IMO, the way one stereotypes speaks much more eloquently about the speaker than about the subject.

Too tired to enjoy pettifogging,
Veb

[UncleBeer]

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Hope this helps clear up the confusion being spread by bjOrn.



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"The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind." - Humphrey Bogart

[bj0rn]

accually its björn, but since ö doesnt exist in all languages (im excluding non-latin languages entirely) i use 0. i do not use o or O because that is a different letter.

but back to the thread.
its always good to know that there are always some sods not fully capable or willing to accept the fact that they cant be equals. the truth is that no one is better than anybody else, but some arent as good as others. how so? by treating someone badly you are diminishing his opinion in you.
dont get me wrong, it still stands that what other people think of you doesnt matter to you. but if you are the fault of that opinion then that opinion is formed by your actions towards that person, be it for better or worse. that is what matters, how you treat other people. and that is how we are created equal, we are capable of treating each other like equals, like everybody was your best friend or just simply like everybody was you.

bj0rn

[UncleBeer]

Thanks, Kat and here's some insipid smilies for you. :) I left my translation calculus text book at home yesterday. :( By the way do you really have elves under your desk? ;)

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"The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind." - Humphrey Bogart

[Coldfire]

Hmmmm,

I don't usually post here, but I couldn't resist.

CAN SOMEBODY SHIP A BOX OF APOSTROPHES TO ICELAND ??

Thank You....


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Coldfire
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"You know how complex women are"
- Neil Peart, Rush (1993)

[UncleBeer]

Yep, the apostrophes and assorted punctuation marks are on the way.

After all we did ship a shitload of vowels to Bosnia. http://www.wap.org/ifaq/society/voweldeployment.html


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"The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind." - Humphrey Bogart

[Kat]

By the way do you really have elves under your desk?

Well, that's the only explanation I have for the stuff that keeps disappearing on me. It could be worse. It could be trolls and goblins like one of the guys I work with has to contend with.

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"The secret of life is, there ain't no secret, and you don't get your money back."

[bj0rn]

yeah...do ship the lot of it over there, we need something to keep us warm during the winter, and i think apostrophes will make a good fire.

bj0rn

[UncleBeer]

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And some extra apostrophes in substitution for the periods you don't need. Just split up some of those ellipses and you'll have plenty.
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Please remit payment in full within 30 day of receipt. - The United Nations Multinational Commission on Proper Punctuation.

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"The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind." - Humphrey Bogart

[bj0rn]

hehehe...i want you to keep em, so you can insert em in proper places. i cant be trusted with something flammable.

bj0rn

[UncleBeer]

Bj(zero)rn, why do I get such satisfaction from tormenting you? Maybe it's the occasional witty reply like the last one. Good response.

The punctuation has already been shipped though. If you would like to return them please call 1-800-NO-COMMA for the proper return procedures and an authorization code.

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"The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind." - Humphrey Bogart

[bj0rn]

i called 1-800-NO-COMMA, but they only had an answering machine saying: "There is nobody available to answer your call, currently every member of our staff is working on a big shipment of apostrophes, with destination: Iceland. Please try again."
what i would like to know, how the hell did they manage to insert em bloody capital letters and all onto an answering machine?

bj0rn ;)

[speakeasy]

It's blindingly obvious that all men are NOT created equal. One of my best friends is nearly 60 pounds lighter than I am. Another happens to be female in a very interesting sorta way.

What I've always wondered about are the knee jerks who think that means something. Who thought up that bullshit anyway? None of that shit makes anybody particularly better than anybody else. To me it's just different people, different talents. Snap out of it.

[bj0rn]

different people?? different talents!!
of bloody course. but thats not what i sodding said. i said we are all created equal in the way of respect for each other. aside from appearances and behavior.

bj0rn