Jeff Conaway is on some VH1 Addict show.

[Darth Nader]

Holy shit. I had to google a bit before it all came together.

So beware when flipping channels, you might run across Sgt. Zack Allan, sobbing drunk in a wheelchair, while useless porn stars and pop tarts wave their goods at the camera.

I hope they all get better, but I doubt they will on tv.

[Wee Bairn]

I have never seen a reality show in my life, but I am transfixed by this one. I can't wait till Jeff Conaway shits himself, for starters. And where does a guy without a job for twenty years, and the one hit wonder punk dude, get money for cocaine? And why can't Mary Carey masturbate in rehab? And I understand they want diversity, but the black chick "addicted" to a non-addictive drug is a fucking joke- YOU CANNOT BE ADDICTED TO POT DR. DREW. We can't take you seriously if you say its similar to heroin. And quit taking notes all serious like, you know this a trainwreck.

[jayjay]

What they all NEED is a show that puts them in rehab for addiction to fame-whoring...

Edited to add: Them and every other Q-List washed-up celebrity that needs to go on Celebrity Rehab or The Surreal Life or 42nd Chance At Fame or whatever...

[Darth Nader]

Sadly, for some of those folks, it's an upward career move.

This is quite possibly the most sadistic thing I've ever seen on tv, besides late '80's Japanese gameshows.

I haven't been high in years, but now I want to get SO fucking out of my head. Huh. And I'm gonna watch the whole thing, damnit.

[bbs2k]

And I understand they want diversity, but the black chick "addicted" to a non-addictive drug is a fucking joke- YOU CANNOT BE ADDICTED TO POT DR. DREW.Yes you can. Your post is my cite, he's a licensed physician.

[Wee Bairn]

The black chick is absolutely using this to get back into the mainstream after her porn stint. She obviously heard they were looking for people for this show and concocted her "addiction". And please, why did they stop the subtitles for Conaway?

[Wee Bairn]

Yes you can. Your post is my cite, he's a licensed physician.

Clarification- not physically. Maybe mentally if you're weak minded. Or you're trying to find an excuse for bad choices. For him to compare it to a herion addiction, which is physically addictive to the point that the body breaks down and cannot function without it, is pretty damn unprofessional. Her mom's concern for her had nothing to do with the drugs effects, except on her lungs. Bad Dr. Drew, bad. You may really really like getting high and really really don't want to quit, but there's a difference in not wanting to and can't. I like Twinkies and don't want to stop eating them, that doesn't mean they are physically addictive.

[8675309]

Jeff Conaway sounds as though his brain in mush at this point. How can he still afford to drink and do drugs all of the time?

[bbs2k]

Clarification- not physically. Maybe mentally if you're weak minded.I know my post seemed snarky, it wasn't meant to be. I'll dig up a better cite later when I get home, but I tremendously disagree with blaming addiction on being "weak-minded".

[cochrane]

Jeff Conaway sounds as though his brain in mush at this point. How can he still afford to drink and do drugs all of the time?
So, Bobby Wheeler is now Rev. Jim? :p

[Auntbeast]

And please, why did they stop the subtitles for Conaway?

It is my understanding that in order to put up subtitles, someone, somewhere, has to have some idea of what the person is saying.

As he rolled in, he reminded me of my 81 year old Grandfather in the nursing home with advanced Alzheimers. His girlfriend is so kind to hold the coke tube to his nose, that my friend, is love.

$2 says they find Mary mounted on Jeff before the 2nd episode.

[Wee Bairn]

It is my understanding that in order to put up subtitles, someone, somewhere, has to have some idea of what the person is saying.

As he rolled in, he reminded me of my 81 year old Grandfather in the nursing home with advanced Alzheimers. His girlfriend is so kind to hold the coke tube to his nose, that my friend, is love.

$2 says they find Mary mounted on Jeff before the 2nd episode.

The trailer for next week shows him going off on Baldwin with unbelivable clarity and focus- it looks like an entirely different person. The trailer also shows the punk guy in the swimming pool with a bunch of his homegirls and Dr Drew "pissed" about it- gee, shouldn't you have someone at the front gate to prevent this? That is, if you are really trying to help them instead of trying to get ratings- can't do both I guess.

And bb2k, no worries, I was calling someone "addicted" to pot weak-minded, not an addict of herion, etc.

And here's a cite (http://www.druglibrary.org/Schaffer/LIBRARY/basicfax5.htm) from a somewhat official site that shows marijuana to be the least addicitvie of the six drugs, less than caffeine even. I saw one with 20 drugs on it once in The People's Almanac or Book of Lists and IIRC it was 19th out of 20, ahead of only aspirin or something. Lock Miss Pot Addict in a room for a week with all basic needs sans drugs, she'll come out fine. Do the same for Conaway and if he's not dead, he'll be covered in piss, shit, blood, vomit, in a cold sweat, have tremors, seizures, etc.

Or just look at show- Conaway did drugs on the ride in and was babbling, incoherent, incontinent, couldn't walk. The girl got high that morning and was fully functional. All the others on the home videos had moments where they were falling down and completley out of it. Her horror video- laughing it up on the couch.

[Chimera]

IMDB shows that Conaway worked on six projects in 2006 and is listed for two projects in post-production for 2008. So apparently he got cleaned up enough somewhere along the line, before or after this show, to do more work.

[Wee Bairn]

IMDB shows that Conaway worked on six projects in 2006 and is listed for two projects in post-production for 2008. So apparently he got cleaned up enough somewhere along the line, before or after this show, to do more work.


Amazing- he's had a pretty decent body of fringe work since Taxi- who knew? And per IMDB is an acting coach?

[Ceejaytee]

I haven't seen this, but if you'd seen Conaway on Celebrity Fit Club, this wouldn't come as such as surprise. He was really messed up then (in 2006).

[fatgail]

The reason Mary isn't allowed to have her 'toys' or masturbate while in rehab is that she's trying to break free of her addiction to her life as a porn star, and showing off her toys and asking fellow addicts if they want to f**k is not really conducive to that. They of course can't keep her from diddling the coin purse, but carrying around a 12" dildo and talking about it is a different issue.

[jayjay]

The reason Mary isn't allowed to have her 'toys' or masturbate while in rehab is that she's trying to break free of her addiction to her life as a porn star, and showing off her toys and asking fellow addicts if they want to f**k is not really conducive to that. They of course can't keep her from diddling the coin purse, but carrying around a 12" dildo and talking about it is a different issue.

Announcer: Ladies and gentlemen, one of your 2003 California gubernatorial recall election candidates! Let's hear it for her!

*applause*

And I would clap, but Ms. Carey wants to give that to you herself...

[Tamerlane]

And bb2k, no worries, I was calling someone "addicted" to pot weak-minded, not an addict of heroin, etc.

Which is a very unfair statement IMHO - psychological addiction is generally key with most drugs, including heroin, and I wouldn't characterize it as "weak-minded" in any perjorative sense.

Barbituates can habituate you physically to the point that they will kill you if withdrawn suddenly. But they're an extreme example. By contrast heroin, if you were to knock someone out for the duration of the withdrawal so the psychological effects didn't magnify it, would just cause symptoms equivalent to a moderate cold. It's the psychological stress that is the killer for it and most drugs.

Pot is about as benign a recreational drug as you can find, definitely more than alcohol in my experience. But it can still create addicts with worrisome issues from time to time. I've known a couple.

Sorry for the hijack.

[thirdname]

If Conaway is in such bad shape, I don't understand how he could even legally consent to be on a TV show.

[fatgail]

By contrast heroin, if you were to knock someone out for the duration of the withdrawal so the psychological effects didn't magnify it, would just cause symptoms equivalent to a moderate cold. It's the psychological stress that is the killer for it and most drugs.
Sorry for the hijack.

I'm skeptical of this. Early last year I did a cold turkey withdrawal off of Oxycontin, an opiate similar to heroin, and I was told by my doctor that in doing so I had put my body at risk for seizure, stroke or heart attack, even with the Clonidine and Valium I was prescribed to sort of be in a coma throughout the withdrawal. I was taking 400 mgs a day and should have tapered off the dose over a month's time.

[Indygrrl]

By contrast heroin, if you were to knock someone out for the duration of the withdrawal so the psychological effects didn't magnify it, would just cause symptoms equivalent to a moderate cold.

Have you ever been through opiate withdrawal? It sucks far more than a "moderate cold." I can't even imagine how horrible it would be for someone on heroin, but even for oxycontin it is hell.

[Wee Bairn]

By contrast heroin, if you were to knock someone out for the duration of the withdrawal so the psychological effects didn't magnify it, would just cause symptoms equivalent to a moderate cold. It's the psychological stress that is the killer for it and most drugs.



Uh, no. With heroin, you body becomes so used to it that you have tremors, chills, the shits, things like that when you don't get it- your body loses the ability to function normally without it. When addicts say at some point they need a certain amount just to not have their body go haywire, that's not an exaggeration. There are tons of shows on cable that show this, so you don't have to go by anyones word.

And sorry, I know too much about pot and know too many potheads to believe that you can be addicted to it- look at my cite upthread- its less addictive than caffeine. Have you ever seen anyone go into caffeine rehab? Its like sex- you really really like it because it gives you a pleasurable feeling, but its a feeling you can do without if forced, without rehab. Someone who says they can't live without sex doesn't really mean the can't, they means they don't want to- same with pot. That chick on the show is a joke and a fraud.

I probably smoked pot 300 of the 365 days of 2007 and haven't since Jan 1 due to factors out of my control and guess what- no problems at all. And I'm not a unique case- I have many friends who get high when they can or when they have it, and when they don't, no biggie.

[fatgail]

Have you ever been through opiate withdrawal? It sucks far more than a "moderate cold." I can't even imagine how horrible it would be for someone on heroin, but even for oxycontin it is hell.

yup. It was the one and only time in my life when I genuinely believed I was dying. Constant shivers, chills, your body manufactures pain in order to get more narcotics, crying all day, sensitive to light and sound, dizzy, brain shiver, pounding headache, sweating. I'd rather have a cold for the rest of my life than go through that again.

[bbs2k]

Okay, I opened a GD thread, because I helped derail this one. (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=9358815#post9358815)

[Tamerlane]

I'm skeptical of this. Early last year I did a cold turkey withdrawal off of Oxycontin, an opiate similar to heroin, and I was told by my doctor that in doing so I had put my body at risk for seizure, stroke or heart attack, even with the Clonidine and Valium I was prescribed to sort of be in a coma throughout the withdrawal. I was taking 400 mgs a day and should have tapered off the dose over a month's time.

Uh, no. With heroin, you body becomes so used to it that you have tremors, chills, the shits, things like that when you don't get it- your body loses the ability to function normally without it. When addicts say at some point they need a certain amount just to not have their body go haywire, that's not an exaggeration. There are tons of shows on cable that show this, so you don't have to go by anyones word.

My information came from Dr. Alexander Shulgin ( wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Shulgin ) who taught a class I took on the chemistry of psychoactive drug interactions. According to him ( and I'm quoting roughly from memory here - this was a good twenty+ years ago ), "If you were somehow able to render an otherwise healthy heroin addict unconscious for a period of days while they detoxed, the physically observable symptoms would be about equivalent to what you'd see with a cold - chills, low fever, aches and pain, general malaise."

Have you ever been through opiate withdrawal? It sucks far more than a "moderate cold." I can't even imagine how horrible it would be for someone on heroin, but even for oxycontin it is hell.

I have not, but I have a very close friend who was a junkie and have seen him through withdrawal ( and backsliding ) multiple times.

Have you ever seen anyone go into caffeine rehab?

I've done it ( involuntarily, while hospitalized ). Truly horrible headaches.

And I'm not a unique case- I have many friends who get high when they can or when they have it, and when they don't, no biggie.

Same here. Like I said, I think it is about as inoffensive drug as there is out there, less than either alcohol OR tobacco. But addiction isn't limited to just physical addiction, it subsumes psychological addictions as well. And I know people ( three that I can think of out of a couple hundred I've known that have smoked pot ) that have a dependency bad enough to cause them financial hardship on their limited incomes. And they WILL forgo paying their bills to feed that habit.

To me that = addiction.

[fatgail]

My information came from Dr. Alexander Shulgin ( wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Shulgin ) who taught a class I took on the chemistry of psychoactive drug interactions. According to him ( and I'm quoting roughly from memory here - this was a good twenty+ years ago ), "If you were somehow able to render an otherwise healthy heroin addict unconscious for a period of days while they detoxed, the physically observable symptoms would be about equivalent to what you'd see with a cold - chills, low fever, aches and pain, general malaise."



The point here is that the addict is basically in a coma. So you don't see them having mental breakdowns, throwing up, crying, screaming, not being able to open their eyes in the sunlight. Everything's easy if you're unconscious.

[Tamerlane]

The point here is that the addict is basically in a coma. So you don't see them having mental breakdowns, throwing up, crying, screaming, not being able to open their eyes in the sunlight. Everything's easy if you're unconscious.

Well, exactly - that's just my point. The physical symptoms aren't, taken in isolation, that severe. It's the psychological reaction - the mental breakdowns, the cravings, that cause the most angst and difficulty.

[Miller]

Well, exactly - that's just my point. The physical symptoms aren't, taken in isolation, that severe. It's the psychological reaction - the mental breakdowns, the cravings, that cause the most angst and difficulty.

Are those symptoms strictly speaking a psychological reaction, or are they physiological reactions that can't be expressed because the patient is in a state of enforced unconsciousness? If you try to remove my appendix without anesthetic, I'm going to react pretty differently than I would if you removed it with anesthetic, but that doesn't mean that all the screaming and thrashing around is just a "psychological" symptom.

[fatgail]

Are those symptoms strictly speaking a psychological reaction, or are they physiological reactions that can't be expressed because the patient is in a state of enforced unconsciousness? If you try to remove my appendix without anesthetic, I'm going to react pretty differently than I would if you removed it with anesthetic, but that doesn't mean that all the screaming and thrashing around is just a "psychological" symptom.

Exactly. You don't feel the worms crawling out of your skin when you're in a medically induced coma, but it's a pretty damn severe reaction. As is uncontrollable diahhrea. The simple fact is this. On paper, your research tells you how it's supposed to be. I've had a cold. I've had the flu, I've given birth vaginally...and i'd rather do all of those concurrently than go through the physical withdrawal of oxycontin again.

[Wee Bairn]

Well, exactly - that's just my point. The physical symptoms aren't, taken in isolation, that severe. It's the psychological reaction - the mental breakdowns, the cravings, that cause the most angst and difficulty.

The physical symptoms are absolutely 100% severe- thats whay makes it such hell. Its the sweats, the fever, the shakes- which yes you wouldn't see in a coma victim.

[F. U. Shakespeare]

Announcer: Ladies and gentlemen, one of your 2003 California gubernatorial recall election candidates! Let's hear it for her!One of my all-time favorite Onion items was a reply to a What Do You Think? survey on Schwarzenegger's low approval ratings as governor: "Don't blame me, I voted for the porn star".

[Vinyl Turnip]

Well, exactly - that's just my point. The physical symptoms aren't, taken in isolation, that severe. It's the psychological reaction - the mental breakdowns, the cravings, that cause the most angst and difficulty.
Someone having his chest sawed open for open-heart surgery looks fairly tranquil too, but try it when he's awake and you're likely to hear a bit of griping.

I saw a few minutes of this show last night. Recent years have seen a seemingly neverending cascade of reality shows, and each time I'm convinced that this one has to be the absolute bottom of the barrel. There was the Flavor Flav show, then the "I Love New York" spin-off. Then I swore that nothing could ever be worse than the "Tila Tequila" thing. I'm no longer foolish enough to think that they've reached a nadir, but with this show I've finally hit something like a personal ethical barrier. I could see absolutely nothing entertaining or redeeming about watching a slurring, gibbering Jeff Conaway slouching in a wheelchair, babbling like he'd suffered a severe brain injury, and obliviously showing off his ass-crack to the camera. I don't mind a good freakshow, but enough is enough.

I understand now that today's rock bottom will be tomorrow's cathedral ceiling. There is no bottom of the barrel; it's just barrels all the way down. It'll have to go on without me, though. Best of luck.

[Tamerlane]

Are those symptoms strictly speaking a psychological reaction, or are they physiological reactions that can't be expressed because the patient is in a state of enforced unconsciousness? If you try to remove my appendix without anesthetic, I'm going to react pretty differently than I would if you removed it with anesthetic, but that doesn't mean that all the screaming and thrashing around is just a "psychological" symptom.

A fair question and one I can't answer fully - of course the two are going to work in concert, each amplifying the other. I don't want to have Qadgop or someone else with a medical/biochemisty degree come in here and metaphorically kick me in the nuts for spouting off semi-informed any more on the subject than I already have. So I won't belabor the point other than to say my junkie friend pretty much agreed with what I've written above - the cravings and knowing he could instantaneously end his discomfort at any time with one shot outweighed his physical discomfort, miserable as it was.

But you know what they say about anecdotes and this was from a biologist who used to voluntarily introduce different biting insects to his arm to chart the varying sensations ;)...

My basic point was that most additions have strong psychological dependencies associated with physical addictions and to label someone who has a largely ( or even wholely ) psychological addiction as "weak-minded" is crass and disrespectful.

There are more alcoholics out there than there are people who are physiologically dependent on alcohol ( the two are not synonomous ).

[Miller]

My basic point was that most additions have strong psychological dependencies associated with physical addictions and to label someone who has a largely ( or even wholely ) psychological addiction as "weak-minded" is crass and disrespectful.

I agree with you on that entirely.

Also, on the fear of a Qadgop-induced nad-kicking.

[Lemur866]

But the thing is, heroin addicts don't stay heroin addicts because they're afraid of withdrawl symptoms. Sure, withdrawl sucks, and could even be fatal for some people. But you can check yourself into a hospital and detox and a month later you're OK.

But once you've gone through withdrawl, you'll go right back to heroin if the reasons you started using heroin still exist. Whatever those reasons might be. Or you switch to some other substance.

That's psychological addiction. You remember how good heroin used to make you feel, and one day you start using again. If it was just physical addiction, then once a heroin addict went through detox they'd be no more likely to start taking heroin than anyone else. But that's not true. Heroin addicts kick heroin lots of times, and go back to heroin lots of times. Why do they go back to heroin after they've detoxed?

Sure, physical addiction is one part of it, but psychological addiction is probably 10 times more important. Treat the physical addiction without addressing why the addict turned to heroin in the first place, and 99 times out of 100 the addict will be scoring heroin on their way home from the rehab clinic.

[Wee Bairn]

My basic point was that most additions have strong psychological dependencies associated with physical addictions and to label someone who has a largely ( or even wholely ) psychological addiction as "weak-minded" is crass and disrespectful.

There are more alcoholics out there than there are people who are physiologically dependent on alcohol ( the two are not synonomous ).

I wouldn't say that about a crack, meth, cocaine, herion, PCP, alcohol, etc. addict, ever. Only a pot addict- a) from experience with it, b) from knowing dozens of users and c) from the cite above showing legit medical studies that its less addictive than caffeine!

[Lemur866]

Well, saying that THC is less addictive that caffiene doesn't mean that it can't be addictive. Caffiene is addictive, heavy caffiene users suffer physical withdrawl symptoms when they can't get their drug.

So the fact that pot is a lot less addictive than legal coffee, beer, tobacco and cough syrup doesn't mean it's not addictive at all, just that our laws regulating drug use are completely irrational.

[fatgail]

That's psychological addiction. You remember how good heroin used to make you feel, and one day you start using again. If it was just physical addiction, then once a heroin addict went through detox they'd be no more likely to start taking heroin than anyone else. But that's not true. Heroin addicts kick heroin lots of times, and go back to heroin lots of times. Why do they go back to heroin after they've detoxed?

This is so true. It's been almost six months since I 'kicked' oxycontin and although I know damn well how it wreaked havoc on my body, my liver, my mind, my marriage, my family...I still wake up sometimes in agony and say "What I wouldn't do for a 40mg of Oxycontin right now."

You know what sucks about painkiller addiction? Painkillers work at killing pain.

[Geobabe]

But the thing is, heroin addicts don't stay heroin addicts because they're afraid of withdrawl symptoms. Sure, withdrawl sucks, and could even be fatal for some people. But you can check yourself into a hospital and detox and a month later you're OK.

But once you've gone through withdrawl, you'll go right back to heroin if the reasons you started using heroin still exist. Whatever those reasons might be. Or you switch to some other substance.

That's psychological addiction. You remember how good heroin used to make you feel, and one day you start using again. If it was just physical addiction, then once a heroin addict went through detox they'd be no more likely to start taking heroin than anyone else. But that's not true. Heroin addicts kick heroin lots of times, and go back to heroin lots of times. Why do they go back to heroin after they've detoxed?

Sure, physical addiction is one part of it, but psychological addiction is probably 10 times more important. Treat the physical addiction without addressing why the addict turned to heroin in the first place, and 99 times out of 100 the addict will be scoring heroin on their way home from the rehab clinic.Exactly. Marijuana may be very low on the physiological addiction scale, but clearly, some people do become psychologically dependent on it. Jaimee Foxworth talked about how all she wanted to do was get high, and would blow off auditions in favor of staying home and getting her smoke on. And then there's continuing to smoke despite the lung problems. People who are not addicted usually stop doing something when it begins to negatively impact their lives in ways like that.

Dr. Drew did seem to be claiming that there is physical withdrawal for pot, so I'll be very interested to hear if she reports any such symptoms.

[ZebraShaSha]

A fair question and one I can't answer fully - of course the two are going to work in concert, each amplifying the other. I don't want to have Qadgop or someone else with a medical/biochemisty degree come in here and metaphorically kick me in the nuts for spouting off semi-informed any more on the subject than I already have. So I won't belabor the point other than to say my junkie friend pretty much agreed with what I've written above - the cravings and knowing he could instantaneously end his discomfort at any time with one shot outweighed his physical discomfort, miserable as it was.

But you know what they say about anecdotes and this was from a biologist who used to voluntarily introduce different biting insects to his arm to chart the varying sensations ;)...

My basic point was that most additions have strong psychological dependencies associated with physical addictions and to label someone who has a largely ( or even wholely ) psychological addiction as "weak-minded" is crass and disrespectful.

There are more alcoholics out there than there are people who are physiologically dependent on alcohol ( the two are not synonomous ).

Interesting you mention him, as not only is he a doctor, I believe he also has overcome opiate addiction. Some kind of addiction, at least - I remember him posting about it in the past. (Unless I'm completely wrong, in which case, mea culpa.)

[Wee Bairn]

...Jaimee Foxworth talked about how all she wanted to do was get high, and would blow off auditions in favor of staying home and getting her smoke on.



All back to is that considered addiciton? If I didn't need my job that's all I'd do as well. If I win the lottery that's probably all I'd do. But again, this is the word of someone with no credibility. She has had zero non porn movie or TV credits since 1993- do we know that these auditions even existed? And surely they weren't auditions to be the next Bond girl, more like typist #2- easy to blow that off, pot or no pot. I say these are excuses for a career that ended early.

And she damn sure doesn't get as high as Snoop Dogg has and since 1993, he's done albums, movies, TV shows, tours, etc. In fact, aren't there hundreds of successful rappers who brag about their pot exploits, and go to work every day and get rich? All can do it except this girl. Puh-lease.

[Geobabe]

All back to is that considered addiciton? If I didn't need my job that's all I'd do as well. If I win the lottery that's probably all I'd do. But again, this is the word of someone with no credibility. She has had zero non porn movie or TV credits since 1993- do we know that these auditions even existed? And surely they weren't auditions to be the next Bond girl, more like typist #2- easy to blow that off, pot or no pot. I say these are excuses for a career that ended early.

And she damn sure doesn't get as high as Snoop Dogg has and since 1993, he's done albums, movies, TV shows, tours, etc. In fact, aren't there hundreds of successful rappers who brag about their pot exploits, and go to work every day and get rich? All can do it except this girl. Puh-lease.And now it's back to why are you so determined to label her not an addict? Your experience doesn't prove that marijuana addiction doesn't exist. Other people not getting addicted doesn't prove that it doesn't exist. She feels that she is addicted to pot, and needs help to quit.

[Wee Bairn]

And now it's back to why are you so determined to label her not an addict? Your experience doesn't prove that marijuana addiction doesn't exist. Other people not getting addicted doesn't prove that it doesn't exist. She feels that she is addicted to pot, and needs help to quit.

I'll allow there may be one person in a million who has something in their body composition that makes them addicted to a substance proven to be less addictive than caffeine. I'm also willing to allow there may in fact be one or two legitiamte aspirin addicts in the world.

But if I were laying my money on it, I'd say this is a washed up child actress looking for any way to get back in the public eye. Since she smokes pot and can show that she does she claims thats her addiciton. She doesn't do the other drugs and thus couldn't successfully claim an addiciton to an addicitve drug becasue she would have none of the symptoms and it wouldn't show up in her body, so this was her only shot at getting back into the mainstream. Which simply ain't gonna happen after porn anyway. If she is an addict and not using the TV show for fame, then why not get help anonymously?

So anythings possible. But this particular person to me has more reasons to be faking it then telling the truth. And fuck, could she have at least been logical about it- she says she smokes 12 blunts in a row? What would be the point? Could you get any higher than you would be after oh, about blunt number four? Isn't that either just a waste of blunts five through twelve, or a lie? And how long exactly would it take to smoke twelve blunts- six hours? Wouldn't you black out after blunt four or so as well? And an aside- wouldn't that be like hundreds of dollars a day in weed for a jobless person?

[Wee Bairn]

I'd also like to add I find it odd the pot kept her from auditioning for legit jobs, but it didn't stop her from auditioning for More Black Dirty Debutantes #32?

[Geobabe]

Yes, it's definitely possible that she's only doing this for the publicity, but I didn't pick up anything in her demeanor that really twinged my BS-meter at all, so I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt on this for now. If you haven't been through addiction, it can be hard to fully understand the psychological element of it; it's a kind of insanity, and treatment, beyond the couple of days required for detox, is really almost entirely therapy. Even if she's not really physically addicted to pot, treatment will help her if she is psychologically dependent.

[Geobabe]

I'd also like to add I find it odd the pot kept her from auditioning for legit jobs, but it didn't stop her from auditioning for More Black Dirty Debutantes #32?I can see her, like Mary Carey as well, feeling like she doesn't deserve better than doing porn at this point. Porn is what they know, and the prospect of going for legitimate work after that is probably pretty intimidating. There's likely an element of self-sabotage, and she may be using the pot as an excuse.

[GingerOfTheNorth]

I found this online due to the thread. It breaks my heart to see someone so broken down due to addiction. Jeff Conway is barely functional.

[Sierra Indigo]

Interesting you mention him, as not only is he a doctor, I believe he also has overcome opiate addiction. Some kind of addiction, at least - I remember him posting about it in the past. (Unless I'm completely wrong, in which case, mea culpa.)

You are right, he has overcome an opiate addiction.

Speaking of, has anyone seen the good Doctor around recently? Or is he still on vacation over Christmas/New Year?

[Great Dave]

I'd just like to approximately quote Bob Saget in Half Baked:

Have you ever sucked dick for marijuana? I sucked dick for coke for six years! Addicted to marijuana? Get out of here.

The point being, there are crackwhores, but in all of my pot smoking, I've never met a potwhore (but it might not have been so bad if I did)

[8675309]

Watching this show, I can't believe Jeff Conaway is still alive. His girlfriend on the show is a classic co-dependant and I doubt he'll ever get better with her around.

[Darth Nader]

Hi Jenny!

[Chimera]

These VH1 Reality shows (this one, Brady, Baio) are pissing me off with their repetetive previews and endless repeats. I've probably seen the same 30 seconds of each show more than a dozen times, hoping to actually see something new. I seem to have the bad timing to keep tuning in at that exact same 30 seconds, every bloody time.

Then there's the 20 Second preview of dramatic event at every commercial break and at least once every 5 minutes in between. When you finally get to the part in the show where that event occurs, the entire sequence is...25 seconds long! So you've already seen 80% of it a dozen times before you get the payoff, which usually amounts to nothing more than another five seconds of the same thing. No new drama, no release of tension, just more of the same.

[Merijeek]

Eh, someone covered it.