Super Bowl 2008

[Khadaji]

It is starting soon. (OK, 3 hours away...)

Here is the thread for rooting, (respectful) smack talk and wishful thinking.

I am rooting for the Giants (and probably wishful thinking) . But I believe that the Pats will win.

[DMark]

Have fun! I won't be watching - as I told my brother last week, the day my cousins get a big ol' tub of beer, some hot dogs and chips and gather around the television to watch the Oscars is the day that I will do the same at the next Super Bowl.

I will, however, be logging in later to MSNBC to see the commercials and vote for the best one.

But have fun, one and all - party hearty!

[Hal Briston]

We played it smart -- we had to run to Target this morning, so we made sure to buy a passel of new books and toys for The Littlest Briston. My daughter means the world to me, but I'm going to do all I can to keep her occupied from 6:30 on. :)

Oh, and GO GIANTS!!!

[blondebear]

I have $19 riding on the Pats.

BTW, what is everyone munching on during the game...besides chili, that is? I've got a pepperoni, onion, mushroom, roasted garlic and tomato pizza lined up.

[fachverwirrt]

Well, I grew up in New England, so I'm a hopeless Pats fan.

So, yeah, go Patriots

I have $19 riding on the Pats.

BTW, what is everyone munching on during the game...besides chili, that is? I've got a pepperoni, onion, mushroom, roasted garlic and tomato pizza lined up.
Chili, wings, chili cheese dip, various chips and dips, and whatever everyone else brings. I know there's a seven-layer dip coming, but I have no idea what everyone else is bringing.

[bouv]

I have $19 riding on the Pats.

BTW, what is everyone munching on during the game...besides chili, that is? I've got a pepperoni, onion, mushroom, roasted garlic and tomato pizza lined up.

My roomie and his brother are grilling up some ribs and chicken, and I plan to make some wings, and I'll also be getting some chips, dip, and so forth (I should probably go out and get those now...)

[Kozmik]

Let's see: good half-time entertainment, (hopefully) good commercials, and of course a storied Super Bowl game.

The game New York Giants vs. New England Patriots - on paper, but its really Manning vs. Brady. That's what I'll be watching for.

[The Scrivener]

I can't believe this game is almost one-quarter over already. Time flies when you're up by 3 (however fleetingly).

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Toomer totally got away with a facemask on that D-back. It looks like the Pats are going to have to beat the officials as well as the Giants.

[Rysto]

What a crappy way for Eli to lose his streak of not throwing interceptions. He hits Steve Smith right on the hands but the receiver manages to tip it right into the air? Ouch.

[Marley23]

The Giants looked very strong on that first drive, but they're giving up big chunks on every play on defense. Well shut my mouth, maybe they've actually made a stop! No punts for almost the first 20 minutes is pretty cool - this game is really flying by so far.

Brady doesn't look especially good, but so far he hasn't needed to be.

[Airman Doors, USAF]

Toomer totally got away with a facemask on that D-back. It looks like the Pats are going to have to beat the officials as well as the Giants.

Blah blah blah. This canard comes out every year during the Super Bowl, usually to set the table for the after-game excuses for losing. Give it a rest.

[Dag Otto]

They just showed some aerial coverage of the stadium and it looked sundown over the stadium (with streetlights already on), but here in NM it's still nice and sunny. Somehow I doubt that's live coverage.

[Wee Bairn]

This game is as boring as Troy Aikman, but better to have him than Moose and Goose I guess. Aikman damn near came close to implying the INT was Eli's fault, the moron. And is Brady going to pass the fucking ball? If he can't, he shouldn't be in the game.

[Marley23]

Two sacks in a row after they rarely got close during the first quarter! (Aside from the first play.) Whether it's a trend or not, that's going to increase the energy of the game.

[blondebear]

Randy Moss looked haunted in that shot of him sitting next to Brady on the bench.

[ArizonaTeach]

They just showed some aerial coverage of the stadium and it looked sundown over the stadium (with streetlights already on), but here in NM it's still nice and sunny. Somehow I doubt that's live coverage.I just mentioned that in the commercial thread. I live about 15 miles from the stadium, and it's still bright out. It wasn't a live shot or they heavily filtered it.

[JohnnieEnigma]

So is the final score going to be 7 to 3?

heh.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Why are the Giants getting another third down?

[Wee Bairn]

Why are the Giants getting another third down?

Becasue the play resulted in a first down, and I assume that penalty doesnt give a loss of down.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Blah blah blah. This canard comes out every year during the Super Bowl, usually to set the table for the after-game excuses for losing. Give it a rest.
First of all, the Patriots are still going to win going away, so no "table-setting" is necessary, and second of all, I've been watch NE get screwed by biased officaiting all year. Did you see the replay of that play I was talking about? The facemask was undisputable. I wasn't imaging things. Even Aikman admitted that Toomer got away with one there.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Becasue the play resulted in a first down, and I assume that penalty doesnt give a loss of down.
I guess so, but it seems like there should be a loss of down for a batted fumble. What's to stop a team from doing it on purpose on a screwed 3rd down play to get an extra down?

[Marley23]

Classic Patriots, that first down on the screen to Stallworth. The Giants would have been set up with some good field position there, too.

[Wee Bairn]

I guess so, but it seems like there should be a loss of down for a batted fumble. What's to stop a team from doing it on purpose on a screwed 3rd down play to get an extra down?

I agree that should be a loss of down type penalty.

And is it just me or this like the third or fourth game that Buck has made some comment about getting woman to Troy- either he doesn't know the rumors or he likes to make Troy squirm... :)

[The Scrivener]

Oh, I'm lovin' this big Giants D.!

[Airman Doors, USAF]

Oh, the irony! A guy named Tuck stripping the ball from Tom Brady on a pass. Good no-call this time, ref.

7-3 New England. So much for "running away".

[Diogenes the Cynic]

What a crappy half, but no matter. The Pats will step on the gas in the 2nd half. I'm sticking with my prediction of a NE blow out.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Oh, the irony! A guy named Tuck stripping the ball from Tom Brady on a pass. Good no-call this time, ref.
You mean the no-call on that blow to Brady's head that the Giants got away with? I can't agree with you on that.

[Khadaji]

I'm liking it so far. Although I would have prefered that the Giants be up, it is still close enough that they could win.

I'm not too much longer fort he game. I have a huge day tomorrow and it will start early. I guess I have an hour, maybe a little more left in me.

Go Giants!

[Airman Doors, USAF]

You mean the no-call on that blow to Brady's head that the Giants got away with? I can't agree with you on that.

More whining about the refs. Pardon me while I yawn.

[Raygun99]

On the fumble play? The Giants absolutely did not hit Brady in the head. I just replayed it, and the second guy in hit him on the shoulder.

[Kozmik]

I was watching the Super Bowl at Buffalo Wild Wings (Super Bowl 42 and B'Dubs' 25 years, and I'm 25 years old) . . . . meaning of life, I guess.

[MJinks]

Ouch, I stayed up to watch this, I didn't realise half-time would last 45 minutes!

[ArizonaTeach]

Ouch, I stayed up to watch this, I didn't realise half-time would last 45 minutes!Has to. The game is actually moving fast. Advertisers must get their money's worth.

[MJinks]

Heh, the sad thing is, we don't even get to watch any of the adds.

[John Mace]

On the fumble play? The Giants absolutely did not hit Brady in the head. I just replayed it, and the second guy in hit him on the shoulder.
Yeah. I didn't see a head hit either.

Not a bad game so far. Go Patriots!

[Diogenes the Cynic]

I think Tom Petty is high. I think his whole band is baked.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

On the fumble play? The Giants absolutely did not hit Brady in the head. I just replayed it, and the second guy in hit him on the shoulder.
Afgter seeing it agin, I think he got him around the neck, but in the first look at games speed, I saw his arm raise up and then swing down and I thought he clubbed Brady in the head. My bad.

[Lamar Mundane]

Did anyone watch the most-viewed sporting event of the weekend? You know, the Hoston Rockets vs. Milwaukee Bucks? 200 million viewers. (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hJaNUJtKPA69jmMwbutne-vLimnQ)

I can only think of one thing when I hear "American Girl" - "It puts the lotion on it's skin." Creeps me right out.
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[The Scrivener]

I can only think of one thing when I hear "American Girl" - "It puts the lotion on it's skin." Creeps me right out.
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Then you should try the teenage chick flick Chasing Liberty, and turn that frown upside-down. (CL is the story of a First Daughter going AWOL in Europe, companioned by a cute guy who turns out to be an undercover Secret Service bodyguard. It's basically a remake of Roman Holiday. Not a great flick, but entertaining.)

[Kozmik]

What about Tiki Barber? Where is he? In the stands, in the boxes?

I'm wondering if he's going to be interviewed after the game. I'd like to see what he has to say about the Giants.

[Airman Doors, USAF]

Who's getting the calls now? Certainly not the Giants.

[Garfield226]

So do the Patriots not have a kicker, or what?

[Darth Sensitive]

Wes Welker can kick for the Pats!

[Marley23]

So do the Patriots not have a kicker, or what?
When he came out of college a few years ago, I remember people talking about what a strong leg he had. How long would that one have been?

[JohnnieEnigma]

I can't believe it's still 7 - 3. Well at least we know the Pats usually pull through during the last quarter. Lets hope they live up to this.

[Garfield226]

When he came out of college a few years ago, I remember people talking about what a strong leg he had. How long would that one have been?
They said it would have been 49, his career long is 52 and he'd made 50-yarders in pre-game.

[Darth Sensitive]

Question that came up in my lounge. What happens if, on a long field goal attempt, a defensive player makes a great leap at the goalposts and knocks the ball away from going in?

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Question that came up in my lounge. What happens if, on a long field goal attempt, a defensive player makes a great leap at the goalposts and knocks the ball away from going in?
Then it's a blocked field goal and a live ball.

[JohnT]

I'm beginning to think the Giants might actually pull this off...

[Airman Doors, USAF]

Go Pats! Keep running away with it!

:rolleyes:

10-7. Eat shit and die, Hoodie.

[jtgain]

I'm beginning to think the Giants might actually pull this off...

Many teams have thought that this year.....

[JohnT]

I thought it was 10-7?

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Pats will still win by double digits.

[The Scrivener]

Call it statistics, call it a jinx, call it the '72 'Fins' team mojo at work, but you know there's some powerful force going against perfect seasons... especially when the current contenders were caught in a cheating scandal this season.

And I second the "eat shit and die, hoodie" sentiment. :p

[Count Blucher]

10-7 Giants.... (Taste the Rainbow yet...? (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a362/quietman1920/092807_18051.jpg) :D )

[Airman Doors, USAF]

I thought it was 10-7?

It is. I was just a bit wound up.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

It's hard when New England is outnumbered on the field like that. Another no call on a blatant pass interference.

[rocking chair]

all of miami and dolfan-dom is rooting for ny. come on giants, put that 1 in ....

[Diogenes the Cynic]

It's not going to happen. All you jealous, bitter Patriots haters shouldn't get your hopes up.

[Airman Doors, USAF]

It's hard when New England is outnumbered on the field like that. Another no call on a blatant pass interference.

:rolleyes: yet again. Cry me a river.

[Marley23]

Shit, what do I have in the office pool - is it Pats 0 and Giants 7, or Giants 0 and Pats 7?

I forget the first year I watched the Super Bowl all the way through, but this is the dullest one I've seen in a while. Blowouts are exciting in the beginning, at least, but this has been a pretty even-keel game with few big plays or bursts of excitement. I think the Boss reception on the last drive may have been the longest play.

[Wee Bairn]

Why does the Univ of Phoenix have a stadium when they don't have a football team?

[Garfield226]

Why does the Univ of Phoenix have a stadium when they don't have a football team?
They just bought the naming rights.

[Airman Doors, USAF]

They don't have a stadium, they bought the naming rights to the stadium.

[Wee Bairn]

Question that came up in my lounge. What happens if, on a long field goal attempt, a defensive player makes a great leap at the goalposts and knocks the ball away from going in?


That used to be a legal play, but it no longer is.

[The Scrivener]

Why does the Univ of Phoenix have a stadium when they don't have a football team?

'Cause it's a shrewd business move?

[Jonathan Chance]

U2 had to record Rattle and Hum somewhere, right?

[Darth Sensitive]

That used to be a legal play, but it no longer is.

So is it analogous to goaltending in b-ball? That was what I thought, but I wasn't sure.

[Wee Bairn]

Did the Giants go to a prevent defense on this drive- why the sudden success with the pass?

The Pats should take a knee three times here to burn clock & time outs, and then socre a TD on 4th down. :)

[The Scrivener]

One more down to hold 'em, and then the Pats will have to make a key decision. They'd have to take the 3, though, and trust in OT, if it comes to that.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Moss.

[Jonathan Chance]

That was a helluva drive. Gotta admit.

[The Scrivener]

[expletive deleted, times 10]

Oh, Keee-rist! Oh bloody hell!

[Airman Doors, USAF]

Sure was a helluva drive. Let's see if Eli can lead the Giants down the field now.

Still thinking double digits, Dio?

[blondebear]

Here we go....

[Darth Sensitive]

Ow ow ow ow ow ow ow!

Huge amount of Kinetic Energy to the groin on that kick return. Don't care if you have a cup.

[The Scrivener]

That hissing sound you hear... all those magnums of champagne going flat in Miami (and the New York greater metropolitan area). Crap.

[Rysto]

How the hell do you leave Randy Moss in one-on-one coverage on third down in the end zone?

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Sure was a helluva drive. Let's see if Eli can lead the Giants down the field now.

Still thinking double digits, Dio?
It's possible. All it would take is a pick return for a TD.

I give the Giants credit for giving the Pats the toughest defense they've seen all year, though.

[Jonathan Chance]

Fourth and one!

[MJinks]

This game has sold me. It's just a shame the BBC only get the Super Bowl game. The normal season games are on Channel 5 in poor quality, non-widescreen format. It's going to be bloody impossible to sleep after this game, even though it's nearing 3am.

[Darth Sensitive]

Beastly!!!!

Manning wriggles free and hits way down field.

1 T.O. left.

[Drain Bead]

Well, if the Giants lose this game, it's not for Eli Manning's lack of wanting it.

[blondebear]

Oh crap.

[Garfield226]

What a scramble, what a catch.

[Stringer]

Wow crazy catch.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Eli looked like Brett Favre on that play.

[Jonathan Chance]

Great ending, either way.

[Drain Bead]

Almost exactly like Brett Favre, in that you had no idea which team was going to end up with the ball when he threw it after the insane non-sack.

[The Scrivener]

This game has sold me. It's just a shame the BBC only get the Super Bowl game. The normal season games are on Channel 5 in poor quality, non-widescreen format. It's going to be bloody impossible to sleep after this game, even though it's nearing 3am.

Hey, welcome to the club! Unfortunately for us fans, some sleep deprivation is unavoidable, even on this side of the pond, what with Monday Night Football, occasional West Coast night games, games going into OT, etc.

[Drain Bead]

And he gets out of bounds. Spectacular.

[Darth Sensitive]

Touchdown Giants!

[Garfield226]

Td Ny!

[Airman Doors, USAF]

Wow. Fucking wow.

[Jonathan Chance]

Wah! Touchdown!

[Darth Nader]

Holy Shit!!!

[tnetennba]

What a great game!

[Drain Bead]

HOLY MOTHERFUCKER OF GOD HOW DO YOU LET PLAXICO GET THAT OPEN IN THE END ZONE!!!!!

Can Tom Brady do it in 35 seconds?

[The Scrivener]

BREAK OUT THE BUBBLY!!!!


SUCK THIS, PATS!!

[kittenblue]

An exciting Super Bowl for a change!

[Darth Sensitive]

And emotion from both the Manning boys!

[rocking chair]

danke gott!!!! go eli!!!!

[Diogenes the Cynic]

The Patriots still have 35 seconds and all three timeouts and all they need is field goal. This is hardly over but we might get the first ever Superbowl OT.

[Czarcasm]

35 seconds left.

[Garfield226]

BREAK OUT THE BUBBLY!!!!


SUCK THIS, PATS!!
35 seconds and three timeouts...it's not QUITE over.

[Drain Bead]

Payton Manning claps very weirdly. Did anyone else notice that?

[tnetennba]

How you doin' over there, Doggy Knees?

[The Scrivener]

It's official now: Eli Manning is now a real-live man, on equal footing with his bro and father. (He can, like, go ahead and lose his virginity now and everything. Just kidding.)

[Drain Bead]

The 60 second rule really sucks for this thread.

I was trying to type that Maroney wasted 7 seconds on that crappy return, but now that I can say it, it's somewhat irrelevant.

[wolf_meister]

Come on now we still have 25 seconds !!!

[Tuckerfan]

HOLY MOTHERFUCKER OF GOD HOW DO YOU LET PLAXICO GET THAT OPEN IN THE END ZONE!!!!!

Can Tom Brady do it in 35 seconds?
Nope.

[Czarcasm]

Wotta sack!

[Darth Sensitive]

Boom!

[tnetennba]

How you feeling about those double digits, Dio?

[rocking chair]

ny defense has a second, third, and fourth wind now!

[MJinks]

I felt that all the way over here...

[wolf_meister]

Okay, so Brady was sacked - but 19 seconds left :)

[The Scrivener]

35 seconds and three timeouts...it's not QUITE over.

Not against this D. No mojo-busting miracle tonight.

[kittenblue]

19 now

[Darth Sensitive]

Bill needs to change his sweatshirt now!

[tnetennba]

When Moss was deep, I could totally see him pulling that thing in.

Wow. What a great finish.

[missbunny]

So is it over for the Patriots? Can they still win? They have to get a touchdown in the next 10 seconds, right? Is this even possible, considering where they are right now?

[Czarcasm]

10 seconds left-if you listen closely, you can hear the bookies in Vegas screaming.

[Drain Bead]

The Hoodie's bitter tears are like nectar to me.

[kittenblue]

damn...and I really need to run to the potty!

[Airman Doors, USAF]

This is it! 4th and 20, and a million miles away for the field goal... I don't think they can do it.

I repeat: Eat shit and die, Hoodie. :D

[JohnnieEnigma]

Its so over... I can't believe they lost... they should have never allowed the giants to get that last toughdown,

[rocking chair]

10 very, very, long seconds!

[susan]

Oy!

[Airman Doors, USAF]

OH MY GOD!!! The Giants win! :D

[tnetennba]

I don't believe it. Wow. What a hell of a game.

[Czarcasm]

2 seconds, giants run the clock down, 1 second left.................................

[MJinks]

... Are they going to play that last second?

[missbunny]

Well I can't see how they can win now. Oh well. That would have been nice to see. But good for the Giants.

[Jonathan Chance]

And that'll be that.

[wolf_meister]

Hey - stop that celebration shit !!!!!!!!!!!!
One second to go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

[kittenblue]

there's still one second...

[blondebear]

Congrats to the Giants!

[Darth Sensitive]

No one on NE on the field.

Run it up!

EDIT: Or not. :cool:

[Drain Bead]

The game should have ended with the defense on the field.

I love how the Patriots just took their ball and went home.

[tnetennba]

Bellicheck is being a big baby, too -- not congratulating the other coach. What a class act.

[Czarcasm]

Rule says they have to run a play.

[wolf_meister]

A play HAS to be run !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[RickJay]

Biggest choke in Super Bowl history?

[susan]

That was sweet!

[Czarcasm]

Another Wild Card Win!!!!

[Garfield226]

Bellicheck is being a big baby, too -- not congratulating the other coach. What a class act.He might have in the confusion before the last play, maybe?

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Ah, that's too bad. I guess the NFL really wanted to screw Belichick for Spygate. It would have been nice to see a game played on the level but congratulations to the Giants.

Of course, this means we'll have to listen to Mercury Morris run his fucking mouth for who knows how many years.

I don't know how it happened. My Vikings kicked the living shit out the Giants and we suck.

[missbunny]

Anti-climactic end, without the last second.

[The Scrivener]

MVP to the Giants D, for sure.

[rocking chair]

great day for the giants, giant fans, and dolfans everywhere.

very exciting ending!!!

[pepperlandgirl]

Wow Bellicheck is a huge asshole.


WOO! ELI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wolf_meister]

Rick Jay, I'd hardly call that a choke.

[JohnnieEnigma]

Well the Giants wouldn't allow the Pats to get a move in edgewise... and the Pats didn't do the same. So this is how it played out.

I'm sick over it.

[Drain Bead]

I guess Feagles can finally retire.

[N9IWP]

At least the Packers lost to the Superbowl champs

Best ad - The balloon Charlie brown getting the coke instead of Underdog or Stewie

Brian

[Airman Doors, USAF]

Ah, that's too bad. I guess the NFL really wanted to screw Belichick for Spygate. It would have been nice to see a game played on the level but congratulations to the Giants.

Boy, and didn't I call this sour grapes, making excuses, blaming the referees bullshit earlier in the thread? Like I said, you were just setting the table for the lame-o excuses. Well, have at it.

[Count Blucher]

The game should have ended with the defense on the field.

I love how the Patriots just took their ball and went home.


"In Perfection, you've got to run off fast, run off fast.

Tonights Superbowl might just as well be their last!

'Cause that's Perfection...." :D



PS- Poor Jesica Heslam (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1068889&srvc=home&position=0)! What's she going to write about tomorrow...?

"Oh those Giants! That testosterone of theirs is just So distasteful. All the girls at the club say so..." :D :D :D

[MsRobyn]

Bill needs to change his sweatshirt now!

Sweatshirt? Try his pants.

Robin

[RickJay]

Ah, that's too bad. I guess the NFL really wanted to screw Belichick for Spygate. It would have been nice to see a game played on the level but congratulations to the Giants.
It's funny you should say that; I actually only caught about five minutes of the first half and saw three critical calls that were quite obviously wrong and all in the Giants' favour. I thought "Huh - the officiating is always pretty bad, but isn't that strange" and then we ended up watching "Battlestar Galactica" until almost the end.

Still the Giants scored 14 of their points in the fourth quarter and so the horrible calls I saw didn't help with that.

[garygnu]

That was fun.
I watched the whole game and didn't see any bad calls.

[IvoryTowerDenizen]

Outstanding! '72 Dolphins live on.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Bellicheck is being a big baby, too -- not congratulating the other coach. What a class act.
I thought they said he tried to run out there when there was still a second left and they made him leave the field. I think congratulating the other team is bullshit anyway. I say fuck the other team. If anything, Belichick should have done that spit palm thing.

[brickbacon]

Ah, that's too bad. I guess the NFL really wanted to screw Belichick for Spygate. It would have been nice to see a game played on the level but congratulations to the Giants.

??? You're joking right?







GO GIANTS!!!

[The Scrivener]

Ah, that's too bad. I guess the NFL really wanted to screw Belichick for Spygate. It would have been nice to see a game played on the level but congratulations to the Giants.

Of course, this means we'll have to listen to Mercury Morris run his fucking mouth for who knows how many years.

I don't know how it happened. My Vikings kicked the living shit out the Giants and we suck.

The way I see it, Spygate may have unleashed a brickhouse's worth of Karma landing on the Patriots, the Vikings are always fun to watch, and the mystique of the '72 Perfect Season is, medically speaking, the only thing keeping Mercury Morris alive at this point.

I do so want to see a shot of some aging 'Fins sharing a toast, and/or sending over a few cases to the Giants' locker room. It would be a classy thing for them to do.

:)

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Boy, and didn't I call this sour grapes, making excuses, blaming the referees bullshit earlier in the thread? Like I said, you were just setting the table for the lame-o excuses. Well, have at it.
It's not sour grapes. I'm a Vikings fan. I didn't care who won. I've just made an objective observation this year that the zebras are out to screw the Patriots. Especially Moss. Defensive backs have been given license to hang all over him like they're his girlfriends all year and he can never get a PI call.

[tnetennba]

The Giants won fair and square, and it was a really fun game. Sorry you were too caught up in the bitterness and resentment to enjoy it, Dio. (Given your posts earlier, it's hard to believe you didn't care who won.)

[wolf_meister]

Okay Diogenes
I'm a Patriots fan too.
Yeah, I think that coach congratulation stuff is bullshit.
Anyway both teams played a damned good game.
It's Don Shula who deserves a kick in the ass. :mad:
I think he started complaining about the Patriots perfect streak when they reached 4 or 5 victories. What an asshole.

[Jackmannii]

Hey, can I get a refund on my book order (http://www.amazon.com/19-0-Historic-Championship-Englands-Unbeatable/dp/1600781500)?

[Drain Bead]

Eli is very cute right now. He still looks like he doesn't believe it. He definitely deserves the MVP for that last drive alone--it was incredible.

[brickbacon]

It's funny you should say that; I actually only caught about five minutes of the first half and saw three critical calls that were quite obviously wrong and all in the Giants' favour.

Complete BS. The penalty count was 5-4. With 36 and 35 penalty yards awarded respectively. The penalties were a complete non issue. To even bring it up is pathetic.

[tnetennba]

I have a feeling that children in Africa will soon be receiving shipments of over-sized "Patriots Perfect Season" t-shirts.

[Sublight]

Man, good game. The Giants just played better, especially on defense.

[RickJay]

Rick Jay, I'd hardly call that a choke.
They were 18-0 and up against a team that, statistically, they should have ripped apart limb from limb, one of the worst teams - if not absolutely the worst team - to ever appear in a Super Bowl. They led going into the fourth quarter and led with less than a minute left, and they blew it.

Of course the Giants deserved to win, but the Patriots choked, and they choked big time, and deserve to be called chokers. They came out defendinga perfect season, put on a subpar, uninspired effort, STILL had a lead, and blew it. If that ain't a choke, I don't know what is.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

The way I see it, Spygate may have unleashed a brickhouse's worth of Karma landing on the Patriots.
Karma for what? They didn't do anything wrong. The rule is bullshit. Every team videotapes signals and it confers no significant advantage. It wasn't "cheating," like so many people keep saying. NE has just been getting swiftboated because they're better than everybody else.

[bouv]

It would be a classy thing for them to do.

:)

Really? Gloating over a good season over thirty years ago is classy? And then giving a "prize" to a completely different team that still allowed them to hold on to their one fucking claim to fame is classy? Even though the team that got beat STILL won more games than you? That's classy? Sorry, class would be congratulating both teams. Congrats to the Patriots for having the most wins of any football team in one season ever, and congrats to the Giants for winning the Super Bowl. They both deserve praise, and any member of the '72 Dolphins who is suddenly a big Giants fan is also suddenly a big douche.

[wolf_meister]

Okay, 2 chicks are going done on each other on the 'L Word'.
Can't type with one hand. :)

[Siege]

That was as good a game as any I've seen for a while. I was rooting for New England, but New York just plain out-played them. So much for my local paper's prediction that New England would win it 41-10.

[vison]

That was the first football game I've ever watched. It was sorta interesting.

But even I was surprised at the winning touchdown. The guy was down there, all alone, just waiting for whatshisname to chuck him the ball, and he did and then he did. He caught it. Good work, I say.

Did the Patriots choke? I don't know, but I thought they were outplayed.

(I didn't really watch every single minute, but when I did look, it looked to me like the Giants were trying harder.)

[EddyTeddyFreddy]

Sigh. :(

Congratulations to the :( Giants :( .

I have to say, Dio, even if the refs did slant the field (I didn't catch a lot of the game), still the Patriots should have been able to overcome it, as they have all year. The Giants played their best, the Pats didn't, and on this given Sunday the better team won.

Much as it gravels me to say it. :(

And I would love to hear that Mercury Morris chokes to death while swigging champagne. :mad:

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Complete BS. The penalty count was 5-4. With 36 and 35 penalty yards awarded respectively. The penalties were a complete non issue. To even bring it up is pathetic.
Most of the fixed officiating involves non-calls against gang-raping defensive backs, facemasks, and other illegal contact. They also rang up the Patriots a couple of times for false starts which were really caused by jumping D-Linemen.

The League was embarrassed about Spygate so obviously the word came down to screw the Pats. I think the packers were actually intended to b the desinated "champions" but they unexpectedly choked in the NFC final game. The officials can't stop Favre from throwing game killing picks.

[JohnnieEnigma]

Sigh. :(

Congratulations to the :( Giants :( .


yeah, what he said. :(

[EddyTeddyFreddy]

Really? Gloating over a good season over thirty years ago is classy? And then giving a "prize" to a completely different team that still allowed them to hold on to their one fucking claim to fame is classy? Even though the team that got beat STILL won more games than you? That's classy? Sorry, class would be congratulating both teams. Congrats to the Patriots for having the most wins of any football team in one season ever, and congrats to the Giants for winning the Super Bowl. They both deserve praise, and any member of the '72 Dolphins who is suddenly a big Giants fan is also suddenly a big douche.
Shoulda checked on preview so I could add, "What bouv said."

[The Scrivener]

I have a feeling that children in Africa will soon be receiving shipments of over-sized "Patriots Perfect Season" t-shirts.

Good one!

Karma for what? They didn't do anything wrong. The ruke is bullshit. Every team videotapes signals and it confers no significant advantage. It wasn't "cheating," like so many people keep saying. NE has just been getting swiftboated because they're better than everybody else.

Sounds like cynicism curdling into nihilism. Every team does it, huh? You got any proof of that? Then how is NE so much better at it then?

[Sublight]

Dio, you're embarrassing yourself. And as a Pats fan, you're embarrassing me.

[Czarcasm]

The answer is The Giants.
The question is 42. :D

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Good one!



Sounds like cynicism curdling into nihilism. Every team does it, huh? You got any proof of that?
Just ask them. They tape from the stands. Taping from the stands is legal. Taping from the sidelines is not, but I heard Lincoln Kennedy say that every team does that too.
Then how is NE so much better at it then?
Obviously, they're not better at it, they got caught.

[brickbacon]

Most of the fixed officiating involves non-calls against gang-raping defensive backs, facemasks, and other illegal contact. They also rang up the Patriots a couple of times for false starts which were really caused by jumping D-Linemen.

The League was embarrassed about Spygate so obviously the word came down to screw the Pats. I think the packers were actually intended to b the desinated "champions" but they unexpectedly choked in the NFC final game. The officials can't stop Favre from throwing game killing picks.

WOW. Just you and the Pats against the world huh? Pretty pathetic that you point to the officiating when the Pats have been getting most of the calls all season (see Ravens game). Either way, they won those games fair and square (for the most part) and LOST this game the same way. Get over it.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Dio, you're embarrassing yourself. And as a Pats fan, you're embarrassing me.
You're just not cynical enough.

[Rilchiam]

Mr. Rilch and Boss were leaping about and woohooing when the Giants scored. I said, "Yeah, and you also think it's cool to shoot a ten-point buck. Whereas I think that if a deer has managed to survive long enough to have ten points on its antlers, if it avoided hunters and cars and stayed off private property and didn't starve to death, it deserves to live. It's earned it. The Patriots survived for sixteen games; why do you want them to lose?"

Boss: "Because the Giants are that other, younger deer who has the guts to take on the alpha male, find its vulnerable spots and go for it. If the ten-pointer can't use his antlers to defend itself, then it hasn't earned it."

Also, the NY coach approached Belichek during that stampede before the last second of play. Belichek didn't rebuff him as far as I know.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

WOW. Just you and the Pats against the world huh? Pretty pathetic that you point to the officiating when the Pats have been getting most of the calls all season (see Ravens game). Either way, they won those games fair and square (for the most part) and LOST this game the same way. Get over it.
Not me and the Pats. I'm a Vikings fan. I had no rooting interest in either team tonight. My observations are purely detached and objective.

[JohnnieEnigma]

I just saw this on another board and had to laugh in spite of the major blow tonite...

like that black kid on the mighty ducks said: "you cant even win when you cheat!"

all kidding aside, all this talk about cheating and karma is just making your win ugly... take the high road already. what the hell, you won. what more do you want.

Edited to add the quote in my sig:

"Our guy keeps a pair of binoculars on their signal-callers every game,with any luck, we have their defensive signals figured out by halftime. Sometimes, by the end of the first quarter" - Mike Shanahan, 2002

[Hal Briston]

For the record: Fuck. Yeah.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

People who call the Patriots "cheaters" are just showing their ignorance of the game and of the league. Deciphering signals is routine. Videotaping them for future reference is routine. You're just not supposed to do it from the sideline. It's a trivial technical violation that confers no real competitive advantage.

[Kiros]

Congrats to Eli & the Giants on a game well played.

[Airman Doors, USAF]

People who call the Patriots "cheaters" are just showing their ignorance of the game and of the league. Deciphering signals is routine. Videotaping them for future reference is routine. You're just not supposed to do it from the sideline. It's a trivial technical violation that confers no real competitive advantage.

The league dispelled my ignorance on the matter by fining the Patriots and taking away one of their draft picks. I guess the league is ignorant of their own rules, eh? How else do you explain the fact that the Patriots were penalized for cheating?

[Hentor the Barbarian]

18 - 1 *


* Lost the Superbowl!

[tnetennba]

It's not going to happen. All you jealous, bitter Patriots haters shouldn't get your hopes up.

Not me and the Pats. I'm a Vikings fan. I had no rooting interest in either team tonight. My observations are purely detached and objective.

I'm having a hard time reconciling these two statements.

[brickbacon]

People who call the Patriots "cheaters" are just showing their ignorance of the game and of the league. Deciphering signals is routine. Videotaping them for future reference is routine. You're just not supposed to do it from the sideline. It's a trivial technical violation that confers no real competitive advantage.

What's the reason for the rule in your opinion?

[RikWriter]

Beautiful game, best Superbowl I've ever seen. The Giants deserved it and anyone whining about the refs should start an IV of class and shut the heck up.

[saoirse]

That was unbelievable. I was watching the Giants a lot at the beginning of the season. If you'd told they were the going to win the Super Bowl, I'd have laughed in your face, and then called frineds to come over and laugh in your face, too.

The rush on Brady was terrific. The way to beat the Patriots has always been to keep the ball out of his hands and knock his ass down when you can't. Everyone knew it, but no one seemed able to do it. The Giants did it. Like the Steelers a couple years ago, they played their best football at the end of the season, and they earned the championship.

Well done, Giants.

[JohnT]

The past two Super Bowls have been about getting monkeys off the backs of the Manning brothers. Hope they're happy. ;)

The Patriots defense played a pretty good game in limiting the Giants to two touchdowns, it's the Patriot's offense who played poorly/were dominated which cost them the game. I remember thinking at the beginning of the game that the Pats looked tired and unpracticed. Did anybody notice any signs that Brady's "injuries" were affecting his play?

[Harborwolf]

What's the reason for the rule in your opinion?Because the league is a bunch of jealous, bitter Patriot haters. Perfectly obvious.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

The league dispelled my ignorance on the matter by fining the Patriots and taking away one of their draft picks. I guess the league is ignorant of their own rules, eh? How else do you explain the fact that the Patriots were penalized for cheating?
They did it because they had already warned Belichick and he kept doing it anyway. The league was just trying to win a dick measuring contest. It had nothing to do with the Pats gaining any genuine advantage.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

The past two Super Bowls have been about getting monkeys off the backs of the Manning brothers. Hope they're happy. ;)

The Patriots defense played a pretty good game in limiting the Giants to two touchdowns, it's the Patriot's offense who played poorly/were dominated which cost them the game. I remember thinking at the beginning of the game that the Pats looked tired and unpracticed. Did anybody notice any signs that Brady's "injuries" were affecting his play?
He sailed a bunch of deep throws. That's a prtetty good indication that he couldn't plant good on his ankle. He's usually got a laser beam on those rainbows to Moss. I do think his ankle might have been more screwed up than he was letting on. High ankle sprains can really hinder QBs on deep throws.

[Death of Rats]

Karma for what? They didn't do anything wrong. The rule is bullshit. Every team videotapes signals and it confers no significant advantage. It wasn't "cheating," like so many people keep saying. NE has just been getting swiftboated because they're better than everybody else.



...except the SUPER BOWL CHAMPION NY GIANTS!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[MaxTheVool]

The long play in the Giants' last drive when first Eli somehow didn't get sacked and then the receiver caught the ball by holding onto his helmet was one of the best, clutchest plays ever. It should be up there with the Montana-Clarke "The Catch". Wow. Just wow.

[Rilchiam]

Man, Belichick looked dejected. Like Charlie Brown after the spelling bee. I can see him staying in his pitch-black room all day tomorrow. Tom Brady will have to go in and say, "But you know what, coach?...The world didn't come to an end."

Reason I have Charlie Brown on the brain, of course, is because of that commercial! I LOVE that for once, the round-headed kid won something!

ETA: Diogenes, WTF are you saying? They only enforced the rules because they're the rules? And if it's okay to video signals, just not from the sidelines, then don't do it from the sidelines.

[Mister Rik]

Since this was the only game I actually watched on TV all season, I just have a quick question:

Is Pam Oliver a robot?

[Hentor the Barbarian]

I have to say that one of the most surprising things to me, a Steeler fan, was that Plaxico Burress actually caught the ball in the end zone at a critical moment.

He also was entirely correct that it would be a relatively low scoring game. Of course, Tom Brady had a good laugh, suggesting that predicting the Patriots would score only 17 points was crazy. Tom Brady is a whiny pussy, and the Giants D kicked his ass.

I thought it really sucked that they gave Hoodsie a review of the 12 man on the field play, and that they called it in his favor. I'm just glad that it didn't make a difference. The Patriots luck ran out, right at the right time, and it was beautiful.

[Count Blucher]

The long play in the Giants' last drive when first Eli somehow didn't get sacked and then the receiver caught the ball by holding onto his helmet was one of the best, clutchest plays ever. It should be up there with the Montana-Clarke "The Catch". Wow. Just wow.


That was an over-the-shoulder Willie Mays catch.

[garygnu]

The long play in the Giants' last drive when first Eli somehow didn't get sacked and then the receiver caught the ball by holding onto his helmet was one of the best, clutchest plays ever. It should be up there with the Montana-Clarke "The Catch". Wow. Just wow.
Even as a 49er fan I have to agree with you. About even I'd say. It wasn't a touchdown, but it kept a TD drive going, and it was in the Superbowl.

Oh, and there's no "e" in Clark.

[Gorgon Heap]

YEEEHAH! Giants win!!!


(Actually I'm a Philly fan, but I really wanted to stick it to the Brady Bunch)

[Diogenes the Cynic]

ETA: Diogenes, WTF are you saying? They only enforced the rules because they're the rules? And if it's okay to video signals, just not from the sidelines, then don't do it from the sidelines.
I'm not saying it wasn't against the rules, I'm just saying it wasn't "cheating" in the sense that it gave them any unfair advantage.

[Harborwolf]

The long play in the Giants' last drive when first Eli somehow didn't get sacked and then the receiver caught the ball by holding onto his helmet was one of the best, clutchest plays ever. It should be up there with the Montana-Clarke "The Catch". Wow. Just wow.I was lucky enough to catch that play while channel surfing. Unbelievable.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

The long play in the Giants' last drive when first Eli somehow didn't get sacked and then the receiver caught the ball by holding onto his helmet was one of the best, clutchest plays ever. It should be up there with the Montana-Clarke "The Catch". Wow. Just wow.
I agree that was the play of the game and one of the best plays at both ends that I can remember seeing in a Superbowl.

I've always thought the Montana-Clark play was kind of overrated, though (and that wasn't even in a Superbowl).

[Count Blucher]

They were 18-0 and up against a team that, statistically, they should have ripped apart limb from limb, one of the worst teams - if not absolutely the worst team - to ever appear in a Super Bowl. They led going into the fourth quarter and led with less than a minute left, and they blew it.

Of course the Giants deserved to win, but the Patriots choked, and they choked big time, and deserve to be called chokers. They came out defendinga perfect season, put on a subpar, uninspired effort, STILL had a lead, and blew it. If that ain't a choke, I don't know what is.

Given the Giants were a distant wildcard spot.

Given the whole de-emphasis on beating the Giants but total emphasis on 'achieving perfection'.

Given the whole 'I'm going to stroll around Manhattan in a cast before the game as a goof.'

Given the whole 'Not only do our teams out-class yours, but our fans out-class yours' POV of the Herald.

Yeah. That's a Choke.

Super-size that Karma for you for just 39 cents more...

[Cervaise]

My girlfriend, in Boston, says she's not really mad that the Pats lost the game, so much as disappointed that because of it Wes Welker won't win MVP, because "he's so cute."

[Airman Doors, USAF]

For you disgruntled Patriots fans (and all other interested parties), I have a silver lining for you.

Bundchen: 'If the Pats Lose, I'll Run Naked Through Mid-Town Manhattan' (http://www.sportsline.com/spin/story/10613134)

If she wants to wait until it's warmer, that's perfectly OK with me. Of course, if it's cold out those turkeys will be done better than any ever seen on any Thanksgiving table, so I'm thinking that sometime this week will be good.

[mobo85]

Man, Belichick looked dejected. Like Charlie Brown after the spelling bee. I can see him staying in his pitch-black room all day tomorrow. Tom Brady will have to go in and say, "But you know what, coach?...The world didn't come to an end."

Reason I have Charlie Brown on the brain, of course, is because of that commercial! I LOVE that for once, the round-headed kid won something!

I was thinking after the game of Charlie Brown, too- an old Peanuts strip where Linus tells Charlie Brown about a football game he saw on TV and how happy the team was when they won and how exciting everything is. Charlie's response: how did the other team feel?

Not only was that Coke ad the best of the night, but it was prophetic: a true underdog (not Underdog) overcoming bigger and more powerful forces. You're a good team, New York Giants.

[Rilchiam]

For you disgruntled Patriots fans (and all other interested parties), I have a silver lining for you.

Bundchen: 'If the Pats Lose, I'll Run Naked Through Mid-Town Manhattan' (http://www.sportsline.com/spin/story/10613134)

If she wants to wait until it's warmer, that's perfectly OK with me. Of course, if it's cold out those turkeys will be done better than any ever seen on any Thanksgiving table, so I'm thinking that sometime this week will be good.

What an idiot! She should have offered to do that if the Pats WON! That would have been their incentive!

And mobo85, great analysis on that commercial!

[drm]

Re: Burress

Happiest man on the field. He's been getting shit all week for his final score guess.

Re: Choking

The giants D played great and the really deserved to be MVP, especially after they stopped the drive, then they had a stupid 12 man penalty then they stopped them on forth down to get the ball back. It wasn't a choke, the Giants D played out of it's mind.

The Pats' opponents have been in games the last few weeks so the fact that a team could beat them doesn't mean that THEY choked.

He sailed a bunch of deep throws. That's a prtetty good indication that he couldn't plant good on his ankle. He's usually got a laser beam on those rainbows to Moss. I do think his ankle might have been more screwed up than he was letting on. High ankle sprains can really hinder QBs on deep throws.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but that last deep deep bomb to Moss was right on the money. It was a perfect throw that was well covered. Everyone in the group that I was watching the game with had their jaws on the floor.

[Love Rhombus]

Oh, there was ref favortism! :p New England's been shoved down our throats as the flawless perfect machine, and now the myth is broken. Don't be a Hateriot, it was a damn good game! Those guys were Giants, and they just tore at Brady the whole game (who I still dislike for the Bridget Bridget Moynahan thing, sorry I just have a crush on her). At least whoever one they had the right confetti.

That was a nailbiter!

[VarlosZ]

Unreal. The most amazing thing to me is that it wasn't a fluky win. I figured that for the Giants to have a shot, they'd have to block a punt, recover four fumbles, or return a couple of kicks for TDs. But they just outplayed the other team. It was amazing.


Oh, and what's up Dio's ass? I mean, he's been generally grumpy for a couple of years now, but this is beyond the pale.

[vibrotronica]

Is Pam Oliver a robot?Android.

[robby]

I can't believe the Pats lost. :(

My son (11 years old) has watched every game this season. He was never much of a football fan before this year, but he really started getting more and more interested in the game as the season went on.

He just broke down and cried at the end of the game. :( I had to give him a hug and a talk about how all good things come to and end, you've got to take the bad with the good, etc. Poor kid.

[TheBigTripleD]

I can't believe the Pats lost. :(

My son (11 years old) has watched every game this season. He was never much of a football fan before this year, but he really started getting more and more interested in the game as the season went on.

He just broke down and cried at the end of the game. :( I had to give him a hug and a talk about how all good things come to and end, you've got to take the bad with the good, etc. Poor kid.

Nah, the real lesson of this is the only "sport" to watch is pro-wrestling. That way if the guy you like loses you can tell yourself that's because it's fixed and you'd be right.

[It's Not Rocket Surgery!]

Yay! The Giants are champs. They did it for my dad (a huge Giant fan who passed away in September).

One thing that hasn't yet been discussed was that Belichick, for once, got outcoached. It took him until the late 3rd/ early 4th quarter to have his receivers run shorter routes, even though it was pretty obvious the offensive line couldn't protect Brady on the longer routes.

And Belichick had one of the all-time coaching gaffes in the 2nd quarter, when the Pats went for it on 4th and 13 at the Giants 31. With a kicker who has the leg strength to kick it that far. And in an indoor stadium! Not that the kick (about 48 yds) is a gimme, but it's better than 4th and 13! And, as it turned out, they needed those 3 points.......

[Colibri]

They were 18-0 and up against a team that, statistically, they should have ripped apart limb from limb, one of the worst teams - if not absolutely the worst team - to ever appear in a Super Bowl.

It's a quite remarkable coincidence that that very very bad team came within a few points of defeating them in the regular season, then. Amazing.

[Shot Clock]

The Giants Win The Pennant!!!......The Giants Win The Pennant!!!......The Giants Win The Pennant!!!......The Giants....... what's that? Sorry, wrong sport.

Congrats NY Football Giants!

[HubZilla]

With the Red Sox winning the World Series and the Celtics having the best NBA record, Boston could've gone for the trifecta.

Oh well.

[What Exit?]

I am late to the party as I just got home, you may have heard me screaming "The Giants Win!" from my brother's balcony a few hours ago.

I can't believe it and if LOUNE is following this thread, I just want to know...

How do you feel about Eli now?

That 3 sack evasion and pass to Tyree was one of the greatest plays in Superbowl history.

The defense was incredible. They shut down the "greatest offense" in NFL history and rattled the unrattleable Brady!

YooHoo!

Jim

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Yay! The Giants are champs. They did it for my dad (a huge Giant fan who passed away in September).

One thing that hasn't yet been discussed was that Belichick, for once, got outcoached. It took him until the late 3rd/ early 4th quarter to have his receivers run shorter routes, even though it was pretty obvious the offensive line couldn't protect Brady on the longer routes.

And Belichick had one of the all-time coaching gaffes in the 2nd quarter, when the Pats went for it on 4th and 13 at the Giants 31. With a kicker who has the leg strength to kick it that far. And in an indoor stadium! Not that the kick (about 48 yds) is a gimme, but it's better than 4th and 13! And, as it turned out, they needed those 3 points.......
If they had missed the kick, the Giants would have gotten the ball at the spot of the kick (which would have been the 38), so the Giants would have gotten better field position from a missed kick thn a failed conversion attemp. Going for it was actually a lower risk, higher reward play.

[Raygun99]

But the chances of hitting a 48 yard FG are much higher than converting a 4th and 13.

[What Exit?]

It's weird, I wasn't that surprised Belichick went for the 4th and 13. I thought the 48 yard field goal was high risk and a punt was only likely to net an extra 25 yards. The Pats are suppose to have the best offense ever, why not go for it.

[Ellis Dee]

But the chances of hitting a 48 yard FG are much higher than converting a 4th and 13.Especially considering the play call, which ended up being a 40+ yard pass attempt.

Hey Dio, just so you know, when the refs swallow the whistles and let the players play, that's what's known as GOOD officiating. Not sure what sport you watch, but when the refs roll out a bunch of pussy calls, it makes NFL games suck.

Looks like Eli has one thing Tom Brady lacks: a true signature play, on par with Montana's "the catch" and Elway's helicopter.

How about that class of 2004, eh? It's not looking too shabby against the class of 83. Big Ben, Eli and Rivers have now combined for the same number of rings as Elway, Marino and Kelly. The youngsters don't have anywhere near the kind of statistical proficiency as those guys yet, but toss in a couple more rings and I think they'd hold their own in the conversation. (And I'm almost positive Rivers will get at least one.)

[Raygun99]

I wasn't surprised either, as it's right in that sweet spot where it makes some sense to go for it, and it's totally Belichick's style. I'm just not buying that it was the absolute smartest tactical move in that situation.

[DSYoungEsq]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but that last deep deep bomb to Moss was right on the money. It was a perfect throw that was well covered. Everyone in the group that I was watching the game with had their jaws on the floor.
Actually, no it wasn't. He left it short and Moss had to slow down, allowing the defensive backs to catch up and knock the ball away. If he'd thrown it sooner, or longer, it would have been a Moss catch going away.

Brady looked anything but sharp. Some of that was the Giants' D, but some was his inability to throw the ball like he wanted.

[appleciders]

I agree- going for it on 4th and 13 on the 31 isn't nuts, it's just a little ballsy and risky for the second quarter. Early in the game, I think a field goal makes more sense. Late in the game and trailing, though, Belichick's decsion would look a lot better. But a 48 yard field goal is quite makable, especially in a dome.

[Rysto]

That 3 sack evasion and pass to Tyree was one of the greatest plays in Superbowl history.
That sack evasion was incredible, but face it, Eli threw that ball up for grabs and his receiver made a great catch.

When I saw that play, I said to myself "That was absolutely Farve-esque", and I didn't mean that as a compliment.

[DSYoungEsq]

They also rang up the Patriots a couple of times for false starts which were really caused by jumping D-Linemen.
So? This shows that your emotions are getting the better of you (not surprising since I've seen how you get all vitriolic about Bret Favre). The D-line is ALLOWED to jump. They just have to get back on their own side before the ball is snapped, assuming they even cross it. It's still a false start if the offensive line jumps, regardless.

And you know that. So shut up and stop whining about the fact that the Giants outplayed to Patriots. Barely.

[drm]

You throw the ball 60 yards in the air and you're that close, your arm is okay. He did make some mistakes today (the bad pass in the end zone to moss comes to mind) but I don't buy the injury nonsense one bit. I can buy the throwing it sooner bit, though, I'll give you that one.

Edit: In response to DSYoungEsq a few posts up, I'm slow.

[What Exit?]

That sack evasion was incredible, but face it, Eli threw that ball up for grabs and his receiver made a great catch.

When I saw that play, I said to myself "That was absolutely Farve-esque", and I didn't mean that as a compliment.
I had a different read on that, he threw a good bullet to an open receiver and only one Pat was nearby. The play where he did not see an open Toomer and threw to Plex in 3 coverage was the Farve-esque play.

[flickster]

I'm more than thrilled that Moss' TD wasn't the game winner.

Go Giants!!

[JCorre]

I'm just glad that all the rabid pats fans can STFU about the "greatest team ever" arguments.

[appleciders]

That sack evasion was incredible, but face it, Eli threw that ball up for grabs and his receiver made a great catch.

Right, that's why it's such an amazing play. Manning's evasion was spectacular, and so was Tyree's catch. Both players made an amazing effort.

[What Exit?]

Here is the official NFL video replay of SB XLII Can't-Miss Play: Eli miracle (http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8067d05e)
You need to sit through a 30 second commercial. At the 10 second mark, you will the coverage on Tyree was in his favor and the ball was throw well but a little high.

I think it was a good pass and not a high risk pass. Try watching it and see if you still disagree.

Jim

[Death of Rats]

They did it because they had already warned Belichick and he kept doing it anyway. The league was just trying to win a dick measuring contest. It had nothing to do with the Pats gaining any genuine advantage.


If it was not giving an advantage, why did Belicheat keep doing even after both the whole NFL and him specifically were warned by the commish to stop?

[Diogenes the Cynic]

If it was not giving an advantage, why did Belicheat keep doing even after both the whole NFL and him specifically were warned by the commish to stop?
You'd have to ask him that. The "Belicheat" thing is very childish, by the way. He didn't cheat. Period.