An SDMB World of Warcraft guild

[Gary "Wombat" Robson]

Okay. Over in the WoW level 60 thread (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=457521), we've all been talking about creating a guild on WoW just for Dopers. You guy want to go for it? I'll start:

I will donate a pre-built guild with a guild bank (one tab: 98 slots) and tabard, and put all of my Alliance toons in it (70 frost mage, 58 shadow priest, 30 warlock, and some little dudes, including a bank toon). It's on a PvE normal server. The last time I had a wait queue to log in was the week of the Burning Crusade release.

I have a 375 tailor that will make bags & things for Doper guildies for free (you supply mats, of course), and a 300+ cook that will do the same with the good buff foods. I can probably get my son to bring in his 70 hunter that's 375 leatherworking to do the same thing. I'll also pitch in a bunch of low-level mats to help people get started with crafting professions (herbs, ores, leather, etc.).

BUT: I won't run the whole thing. I'd want three officer volunteers: one to coordinate raiding (assuming we get enough people and want to do it), one for regular instance runs, and one for helping people quest, grind, and level.

So who's in? What can you volunteer to get it off the ground?

[Lightnin']

I'm interested... but what server?

[aruvqan]

Which server, i am on thunderhorn [2 70 locks, one alliance and one horde] but for a number of reasons I really dont want to leave the server, I just transferred my horde 70 there about a week ago...

[ShibbOleth]

Yeah, leaving a server is the hard part, especially if you've built up relationships there. I'd be willing to start a new toon on this one.

So, which server?

Also, what is the guild name? Flaming Cecils? Ultimate Compendium of Knowledge? Smartazzes?

[Eonwe]

I just started playing a trial version a few days ago; I'm not locked in to anyplace, and would love other people to play with.

[Jragon]

Yeah, leaving a server is the hard part, especially if you've built up relationships there. I'd be willing to start a new toon on this one.

So, which server?

Also, what is the guild name? Flaming Cecils? Ultimate Compendium of Knowledge? Smartazzes?
Teeming Millions? :p

Unfortunately I don't have any ally toons of a decent level, I'd gladly start a new one and join, though leaving my only higher level toon that I've actively played since release will be hard. As such I'd volunteer to help with levelling and such as an officer, but my lack of ally experience (I only have experience up to ashenvale on NEs really) and the fact that I'm the slowest leveller in the world (oooh... shiny... let's go explore and not level for a week of /played time!) may make me unqualified for the position. :/

Edit: Other names I've used and my guildies have liked:
Gilded Rose
Sols Shade

[ShibbOleth]

FWIW, from the linked thread:

I'd be up for an SD guild, preferably on a PvE server (I like RP because there's a much better signal-to-noise ratio on trade chat). I'm Alliance on Khaz Modan, and just started Horde on Kirin Tor. Anyone else there?

[Snarky_Kong]

If this happens I might have to resubscribe. All my toons are on gorgonnash, I would be willing to start new characters, but getting back to a high level, if raiding was an interest, would be a chore. Although I've almost exclusively played DPS, so a new role might be interesting.

[counsel wolf]

There are rumours afoot that those of us with the EU version of the game will have access to the American servers soon (and vice versa). If that happens I'll transfer one 70 over and join you guys wherever you end up. Timezones and the uncertainty of the above being what they are I'd not really be available for a position of responsibility though.

[Pixilated]

Cool, I'm glad to see my hint-dropping was noticed for our own guild on the other thread.

I was thinkin more along the lines of everyone starting at 0 & workin up - everything from ground zero. No money, no help but from eachother. No one person running the guild and financing it.... it'll take everybody. We can all RP our character/situation, or not (I like to RP)

I thought this might be better than someone doin the "level 60 now what".... or it least it'll take awhile before getting there if we all start from scratch.

[Gary "Wombat" Robson]

As noted, I'm on Khaz Modan. If you folks want to take me up on the existing guild, it's called Rebels Without a Khaz. As far as I know, we can't change guild names. We could always just collect donations and start a new one if everyone wants a more appropriate name. If I recall correctly, the guild petition, tabard, and guild bank cost a bit over 110 gold.

If there's a consensus that we should use a different server, I'd consider moving one of my toons, but I'm not going to move them all. I'd probably start at least one new alt on the new server.

[Pixilated]

oh - guild names related to Dopers exclusively.... "Ask Cecil"?
"No New Threads" lol "Cite?!" "fighting Ignorance" ? Of course, we'd have to be carefull since the term "doper" can be misleading.

And these characters can be our back-up to our main.... think of it as a WoW version of D&D where we eventually meet, form a guild, earn monies, trades, & respect. Yup, thats the best way I can explain what I had in mind is a version of D&D - and on a server noone has ties with so theres no temptation for handouts.

It'd be fun to have it challenging & to see where we go

just a thought (under the influence, too)

[Darwin's Finch]

Hey, I'm on Khaz Modan! But I won't roll Alliance. Ever. So I'll be content to just to kill you all if/when I see you in the BGs :p

[Lady of the Lake]

I like the way you think Pixilated ;) I'm in on that!

Er...not that I have a problem with joining an existing guild like Rebels without a Khaz (I like the name) ;), if we're doing that, I'd be all over that - but I do like the idea of starting from scratch - maybe this could be a nice place to escape if you're feeling pressured or bored with your regular toon. It would be nice to eventually have a name that is doper-esque too.

My vote on servers: PVE or RPPVE
My vote on Horde or Alliance: Either. :)

[bbs2k]

I got to about 46 three months ago and just dropped out. I didn't feel like I had anyone to "play" with. Just a bunch of kids to kick my ass and make fun of me for not know where the heck everything was or what to do.

I might consider joining again if there is a guild of you guys though.

[Pleonast]

I've dabbled in WoW a little. I'd be interested to try a SDMB guild. Either starting a new character or transferring would be acceptable. I have a slight preference for Horde and an RP server, but it's not strong. A PVP server is not an option for me (I'm a casual player and getting ganked would take too much of my playtime).

[Palooka]

There is about as much PvP on a PvP server as there is RP on a RP server.

[Snarky_Kong]

There is about as much PvP on a PvP server as there is RP on a RP server.

Especially leveling as a group in the old world. I doubt you'd even see another person that wasn't power-leveling an alt.

[Pixilated]

I prefer Horde characters on RP (no pvp, please) - but I'm easy goin. Heck, most likely I'll make a couple of characters for each side.

There is a brand new realm - Cairne, normal, low pop

All the rest low pops are pvp but there are still plenty of rp & norm realms w/medium pops open.
We just need to come together and decide on a realm & such. I just know that I suck at being a warrior - so that class is out for me.

[FlightlessBird]

I'm in for PvE. I would prefer to start a new character to lvl with the rest of the dopers.
So any server/faction will do for me.

[Jayn_Newell]

Name a server and faction and I'll think about it. It's unlikely you'd see me much though--I'm currently on a high-end raiding guild on my home server and after spending 16 hours a week alternately getting my ass handed to me and handing bosses their own asses...well, my interest in non-raiding content waned a while ago. But leveling with a group would be fun--I tend to be terrible with alts mainly because I tend to wind up soloing everything. Even though they lessened the leveling curve, it still kinda sucks.

(Note--stay the hell away from Baelgun. That's my home server and while I'd like to see you there, we do NOT need more people on it.)

[Brainiac4]

I'm out of WoW for now, but a Straight Dope guild might just pull me back in.

Over in City of Heroes, we use CECIL (or C.E.C.I.L.) -- Cecil's Extraordinary Counter-Ignorance Legion.

Waaaay back a few years ago, there was talk of starting up a WoW guild for Dopers. My favorite suggestion at that time was Burning Dog Legion. :)

[appleciders]

Burning Dog Legion. :)
I love it!

[Infovore]

How about <Sock Puppets>? :)

[Septima]

I'd love to join an SDMB guild somewhere, but I don't think us Yurpeans get to play with the rest of you ... :(

[CreaseMunky]

I'm in. Solo levelling character #4 to 70 is getting boring.

I'm an altoholic, so I have a toon collecting dust in an inn somewhere (both Horde and Alliance) that I'll transfer as well as starting a fresh one.

I'll also volunteer as a part-time Old World Instance Run coordinator.

If we're starting fresh, I like <Burning Dog Legion>. The other idea I vaguely remember floating around a while back that I liked was <Knights Of Cecil> and all new toon names had to end in "gry". I also vote for a regular PvE server.

[Gukumatz]

I'd be in - gladly! - but I'm an EU doper and, well, can't be done.

*sigh*

Any EU dopers want to form a guild? I have a 65 toon on Emerald Dream that I don't play any more (abandoned two weeks after BC came out) but I will also gladly form a new toon on a fresh server. (Horde preferance, but will of course play Alliance if that is the consensus)

[MindWanderer]

I'm definitely in.

I like Knights of Cecil or Sock Puppets for Guild name.

[Jragon]

I'd be in - gladly! - but I'm an EU doper and, well, can't be done.

*sigh*

Any EU dopers want to form a guild? I have a 65 toon on Emerald Dream that I don't play any more (abandoned two weeks after BC came out) but I will also gladly form a new toon on a fresh server. (Horde preferance, but will of course play Alliance if that is the consensus)

Wait. Isn't ED a US server? I have a character on Emerald Dream (my main) unless they recycled the name and theres one for US and one for EU.

Anyway, I made a survey for many of the relevent questions.
http://www.esurveyspro.com/Survey.aspx?id=5103b9d2-1347-4c12-82d9-0ad22b20b5a5

I'd like if everyone took it quickly so we can have a database of results (some of the quesitons I'll need to post the results to like guild name so we can vote).

The password is cadams

[Septima]

Hey! I have a lvl 35ish bloodelf on the european emerald dream. I'd really like to play with other dopers.

[The Hamster King]

I'd be willing to join.

I'd rather everyone rerolled though. Part of the fun is leveling together. Getting charity from level 70s and getting walked through instances is boring.

Personally I'd prefer PvE or RP. I'm currently playing on Moon Guard. It's one of the last RP servers created and it's VERY RP. Lots of people RP in General and in public chat. Probably not the best choice if most people aren't interested in that.

[Jragon]

Doh, same link as above for the survey, I purged the responses though as I forgot a question:
Faction.

Anyway the 5 of you that took it before, if you'd please retake it as well.

[Jragon]

Sorry for double post:

I apologize to anyone who got booted out of the survey, if you can't go back and complete it tell me. There were some odd issues and the survey kept getting closed. This is the official, final version of the survey that's up now and shouldn't be closed again unless we have another restart because someone couldn't get back in.

[Darkhold]

I'm out of WoW for now, but a Straight Dope guild might just pull me back in.

Over in City of Heroes, we use CECIL (or C.E.C.I.L.) -- Cecil's Extraordinary Counter-Ignorance Legion.

Waaaay back a few years ago, there was talk of starting up a WoW guild for Dopers. My favorite suggestion at that time was Burning Dog Legion. :)Wasn't just talk we started the guild and one by one the dopers dropped out it got to the point where the only people playing were people who had never heard of the straight dope and even they left the guild when larger more active guilds started courting them.

Sad because at least in the beginning everyone seemed to be enjoying playing and everyone was quite generous with sharing goods chatting helping each other out.

[Pixilated]

Sounds like a lot of us are in to start from scratch - Shall we take a vote on a server?

[NajaNivea]

I'd be down though I don't get a lot of extra play time--my guild does endgame instances so much of my WoW time is spent in raiding.
As far as the survey, I was forced to answer some questions I really don't much care about, the first two or three pages even. Really the only thing I had an opinion on is I'd rather roll alliance than horde. Also, my guild is on Azgalor and part of a network of high-level smaller guilds. It's a great system and might be a good alliance for this new guild.

[Jragon]

Sounds like a lot of us are in to start from scratch - Shall we take a vote on a server?
So far 6/9 want us to have completely fresh characters.
7/9 want a guild (meaning no tabard etc) that starts totally from scratch.

Also, we're surprisingly barely tilted towards horde (5/8)

[MindWanderer]

I tried out the Survey but it kept crashing on me, so I will put my preferences here.

I'd like to start new and try a class I haven't done before, and be able to team with people.

I'd prefer either PVE, or RP. I'm not a big fan of PVP servers. Beyond that, I don't mind either faction. I've done a lot of alliance, so changing things up with horde would be cool but not a biggie.

[Jragon]

I tried out the Survey but it kept crashing on me, so I will put my preferences here.

I'd like to start new and try a class I haven't done before, and be able to team with people.

I'd prefer either PVE, or RP. I'm not a big fan of PVP servers. Beyond that, I don't mind either faction. I've done a lot of alliance, so changing things up with horde would be cool but not a biggie.
Try it again, I kept screwing with it which made the survey automatically "close". It's final now.

[Jragon]

Alright closed and collected, the results are as follows:

Server, winner is:
Normal 7 votes
other choices:
RP 2 votes
RPPvP 1 vote
PvP 1 vote

Population, winner is:
Medium pop 7 votes
others:
Low/New 2 votes
High pop 2 votes

Character winner is:
I'd like to start from the ground up, no (or minimal) help. No 70's sending gold to me, a fresh start. with 8 votes

others:

I'd like to have a bit of help (for example having our mount payments assured), but still be relatively independent. 1 vote

I'd like to have a lot of help and have a lot of preexisting characters transferred, while the few that want to start over or can't transfer can have quite a bit of help from the existing characters.
2 votes

Guild history -

Keeping with above let's just say from scratch won (with 9 votes)
The "fully decked out guild" only had two, the other had zero.

Faction:
Horde wins with 6
Ally had 4 votes

Name suggestions:
Goat Feltchers
Ignoramus
Too Dope

Already Suggested that people liked:
Burning Dog Leigon (x2)
Sock Puppets
Teeming Millions

Officer Nominations:
<Anonymous> Said to stick him where you need him.
<Anonymous> Is a rank and file guy
by-tor is rank and file
Pleonast is rank and file
<Anonymous> could preside over instance runs
Palooka says he could do anything he needs to
Pochacco could also be stuck anywhere
I could also be stuck somewhere
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As for how it's handled

It's a toss up between a merit system and a "free city" electoral system with 3 votes each. Static leadership lost by one vote.

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One person suggested thunderhorn as a server


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One person brought up he'd like lots of instance help and such.



So those are the results, if enough people really wanna go I'll reopen it otherwise chime in here.

[aruvqan]

Alright closed and collected, the results are as follows:

Server, winner is:
Normal 7 votes
other choices:
RP 2 votes
RPPvP 1 vote
PvP 1 vote

Population, winner is:
Medium pop 7 votes
others:
Low/New 2 votes
High pop 2 votes

Character winner is:
I'd like to start from the ground up, no (or minimal) help. No 70's sending gold to me, a fresh start. with 8 votes

others:

I'd like to have a bit of help (for example having our mount payments assured), but still be relatively independent. 1 vote

I'd like to have a lot of help and have a lot of preexisting characters transferred, while the few that want to start over or can't transfer can have quite a bit of help from the existing characters.
2 votes

Guild history -

Keeping with above let's just say from scratch won (with 9 votes)
The "fully decked out guild" only had two, the other had zero.

Faction:
Horde wins with 6
Ally had 4 votes

Name suggestions:
Goat Feltchers
Ignoramus
Too Dope

Already Suggested that people liked:
Burning Dog Leigon (x2)
Sock Puppets
Teeming Millions

Officer Nominations:
<Anonymous> Said to stick him where you need him.
<Anonymous> Is a rank and file guy
by-tor is rank and file
Pleonast is rank and file
<Anonymous> could preside over instance runs
Palooka says he could do anything he needs to
Pochacco could also be stuck anywhere
I could also be stuck somewhere
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As for how it's handled

It's a toss up between a merit system and a "free city" electoral system with 3 votes each. Static leadership lost by one vote.

---
One person suggested thunderhorn as a server


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One person brought up he'd like lots of instance help and such.



So those are the results, if enough people really wanna go I'll reopen it otherwise chime in here.
I was out trying to pry my laptop out of ITs grubby little paws and didnt get to vote=(

I was the one who suggested thunderhorn - an american server [sorry eu peeps, but I did hear a rumor that they were going to let us play together sometime in the near future...]

if it is going to be on thunderhorn, I could go alliance or horde, I love playing warlocks, but would be willing to make a priest or mage, or even a feral druid. Id be willing to be an officer or not as needed. I will admit I would prefer not to be an officer....

[Palooka]

Thunderhorn looks like it fits all of the criteria.

[Pixilated]

I never could get the survey thing to work, btw, but not a big deal.

As for my characters - I'm not highly into raiding (ok, maybe cuz I never been on one). What I enjoy most is the profession work - tailoring, alchemy, etc etc - anfd helping to keep the members aided in that regard.

so Thunderlord?

Can we get a count on race/class and professions?

I usually play hunters, priests, & warlocks; herbalist/alchemy, tailor/enchanting, mining/jewelcrafting

[The Hamster King]

ThunderHORN, I believe, not Thunderlord.

I tend to play hunters, rogues, warlocks and mages, in that order.

I usually start with two gathering professions and doing start crafting until I hit 40.

[Jragon]

I use warlocks and druids. My professions are mining/eng and maybe JC, though I tend to stick with what I feel fits the class in my twisted RP mind. Engineering/Mining for my warlock ebcuase I can, but I usually go herb/alch for druids.

Undead is my favored race.

I may change my vote to ally though, not sure. It would tie the votes and require a tiebreaker. I say this because I feel I've exhausted all horde content. :/

[Pixilated]

[QUOTE=Pochacco]ThunderHORN, I believe, not Thunderlord.[QUOTE]

ummmm, yeah, thats what I said.... my fingers have a tendency to ignore me sometimes :D

did i mentioni'm still medicated??? =P

Anywho - Thunderhorn.... Horde?

[Pleonast]

I prefer classes with healing ability. I've done Priest and Paladin; I'd like to try Druid or Shaman. I'm a casual player, and I rarely have time to do instances, so I spec for damage rather than healing. But I'm happy to heal whenever in a group.

I keep to two gathering professions for selling on the AH. I'll trade raw mats to guildies in exchange for finished goods.

[wonderlust]

I just so happen to be trying to decide whether to play WOW. It's not my first MMO, but I'd be a total N00b. Would I be welcome?

[5 time champ]

Me too. I would like try WoW, is there still room? Funny, this thread is i written in English, but I only understand about half of it.

[Snarky_Kong]

Considering differing levels of play time, different time zones, and just the nature of the game I think it's extremely unlikely that too many people would be interested. If everybody got hooked and ended playing for the next year something like 35 would be too much.

If I do resubscribe I think I'd be up for creating pretty much anything that's needed.

[wonderlust]

What I meant is that it sounds like most of you are experienced WOW players. Are you hoping to only attract other experienced players for the guild, or are you interested in taking some new WOW players under your wings?

Me, I think I'd prefer Alliance for my first character, PvE. If I do this.

[Jragon]

Considering differing levels of play time, different time zones, and just the nature of the game I think it's extremely unlikely that too many people would be interested. If everybody got hooked and ended playing for the next year something like 35 would be too much.

If I do resubscribe I think I'd be up for creating pretty much anything that's needed.

Well assuming everyone who answered the poll is "in" we have 14* members already. If the last 3 that answered (including you) want to try it out and like it, we have 17. Due to TZ differences and such you're correct we may not have the largest, or most elite guild (certainly the most elitist though :p) but until (if) the guild fizzles out we can still have a good time I'd reckon.


*3 had to be purged due to them answering what I deemed to be too few questions to be counted (in two cases, zero were answered).

What I meant is that it sounds like most of you are experienced WOW players. Are you hoping to only attract other experienced players for the guild, or are you interested in taking some new WOW players under your wings?

Me, I think I'd prefer Alliance for my first character, PvE. If I do this.

With me newbies are fine, it's all about having a doper guild, this isn't OMG speed run Sunwell (highest raid instance) in 13 seconds pros only recruitment discussion.

So we (iirc) have 6 for ally and 7 for horde so far, if I changed my vote ally would win, (not sure if I want to still). Snarky and the 5th could vote as well and we could see where that leads.

[Snarky_Kong]

What I meant is that it sounds like most of you are experienced WOW players. Are you hoping to only attract other experienced players for the guild, or are you interested in taking some new WOW players under your wings?

Me, I think I'd prefer Alliance for my first character, PvE. If I do this.

Oh, WOW isn't hard to pick up. Leveling up is a learning experience, but if you group with some more experienced people, and listen to advice I don't imagine there would be a problem. There are lvl 70s in raiding guilds that get by without being fantastic players so don't be intimidated.

[The Hamster King]

What I meant is that it sounds like most of you are experienced WOW players. Are you hoping to only attract other experienced players for the guild, or are you interested in taking some new WOW players under your wings?

Me, I think I'd prefer Alliance for my first character, PvE. If I do this.Personally I like playing with new players. I play a lot, but I'm pretty casual about it.

[The Hamster King]

So we (iirc) have 6 for ally and 7 for horde so far, if I changed my vote ally would win, (not sure if I want to still). Snarky and the 5th could vote as well and we could see where that leads.I voted for Horde but I don't really care one way or the other.

[Jragon]

I voted for Horde but I don't really care one way or the other.

You took the poll right? Then I think we still have a 6/7 split.

[FlightlessBird]

I missed the poll, but I'm in for either. I'm well versed in all the Alliance starting areas (except Draenei) So I can hit lvl 10 in just a few short hours. but I think it'd be fun to try some Horde.

The only other question I'd like to chime in on is the money. 10-60 is so much easier if you have plenty of bag-space. Even starting the game with just 2g helps so much before level 20. (About then you start getting enough for what you need.)

As for newer players, I love partying with newer players. Jump in, the water's addictive!

[Gukumatz]

Hey! I have a lvl 35ish bloodelf on the european emerald dream. I'd really like to play with other dopers.

Yup, that's the same server I usually play at. (Also based in Oslo, curiously. You wouldn't belong to, or have heard of, the Dream Catcher guild, would you?)

[The Hamster King]

If we have beginning players, can I recommend that we start on a newer server?

Thunderhorn is 4 years old. The gates are open and the auction house will have twink prices for a lot of low-level gear. It's also harder to find low-level PUGs on older servers.

We could start on Cairne which just went live last week. The gates are still closed, giving people who have never experienced the war effort a chance to go through it. And there will be lots of other low-level characters around. I checked the Cairne forums and it sounds like it's trending toward a good horde/alliance balance. (Can't check the census -- it's too new!)

[ArrMatey!]

Okay, I'm all for horde and a new server. And burning dog. That cracks me up.

Definately going to play either a Tauren (moo!) or a Belf. I've never been able to level up a Hordie because I've never had anyone to play with, and the whole WoW experience to me is about interacting with other folks, even if it's just in guild-chat.

So, as I'm a self-proclaimed lore junkie, anyone know, of Tauren and Belfs, which one has a more 'rich' lore to their stuff?

[Pleonast]

New players are certainly welcome. The game basics are fairly simple and as long as you're considerate of others you'll do fine. We're not going to be a hardcore raiding guild speed-leveling to the endgame, so don't be worried about your skill level.

My preference for Horde is only slight, either way is okay for me.

I agree that getting big bags is essential for new characters. That's why I'll be going two gathering professions. It doesn't take long to save up for fairly big bags if you sell a lot of stuff at the auction house (AH).

Actually, older server make this easier. Those high prices are great for sellers. A new server will be much harder to start anew--more competition in the leveling areas, lower prices in the AH in general (no twinks yet), but higher prices for essentials like bags. Of course, it is easier to find groups for instances on servers. Whatever the guild decides is fine.

[Lady of the Lake]

I hadn't finished the survey as my main opinion was 'not pvp'. :)

Everything sounds great - and I love grouping with people brand spankin' new to the game - I get to feel knowledgeable (even if I'm the one getting us lost) ;)

'Lessee newbie...looking at the map we have to go East! Follow me!' *head's West*

Lady

[lisacurl]

I'd love to have a place I can occasionally hide out from my WoW "job"... I'm an officer in what I believe is one of the largest guilds in the game, the fan guild for The Instance podcast. Let me know what is finally decided. :)

[wonderlust]

I don't know if anyone thanked InvisibleWombat for his generous offers in the OP, but I'd like to do so now. I hope you will still be in this, IW, despite the plans taking a different turn.

I just signed up for a trial, but was disappointed that I'm not offered Draenei. I hope that will come if/when I sign up. Anyway, I'm still walking into walls and getting dizzy from camera swing. I'll try to get the hang of the controls before we get things going. :D

[The Hamster King]

I just signed up for a trial, but was disappointed that I'm not offered Draenei. I hope that will come if/when I sign up.Unfortunately you'll need to buy the Burning Crusade expansion to play draenei and blood elves.

[Pixilated]

I couldnt get through the survey before it was closed, so, if needed add my vote for new server/low or med pop, horde, rppve or reg server

As for an older server - although it is easier to acquire a bank roll through the AH, it's hard being a buyer. My gods - 2+gold for a freakin lvl 6 item???? Are they nuts????

[Skammer]

I missed the survey, but I like the idea of starting new toons on a young server. I probably would've voted for Alliance, but actually, Horde is intriguing. So I don't care. So if it gets started, count me in!

[Koldanar]

Damn. I would completely love to do this, were I not entrenched in a fairly old and highly populated server (4 chars over 60). Bastards. Wherever this goes down let me know and I'll make a lowbie to come say hi and such, but I don't think I'd ever have the time to join all of you. :(

[Palooka]

As for an older server - although it is easier to acquire a bank roll through the AH, it's hard being a buyer. My gods - 2+gold for a freakin lvl 6 item???? Are they nuts????Yes, they are. Don't buy it.

You'll get plenty of gear from instances and questing (now worth doing!).

An old server is definitely the way to go. I know you all voted medium, but high pop is also way better. There are enough alts on a high pop server to fill out the lower level areas nicely. If it weren't PvP, I'd say something like Mal'Ganis. Always high pop. Central time. Older than time.

I don't think PvP matters, especially if you're on horde.

[Pleonast]

Are we at the point when someone picks a course of action (server, faction, guild name) and then we can all vote yay or nay? Anyone want to volunteer?

Monday nights are my best time for gaming, so if we can make a decision this afternoon, I at least can be online.

[The Hamster King]

Are we at the point when someone picks a course of action (server, faction, guild name) and then we can all vote yay or nay? Anyone want to volunteer?Well, in Jragon's survey Horde barely won. But the majority who have chimed in since have also said Horde so it looks like that's how we're leaning.

The big question is the server. We've had two specific proposals: Thunderhorn and Cairne. They're both PVE and central time zone. The big difference is that Thunderhorn is four years old and Cairne is one week old.

So:

Horde, Thunderhorn?

-- or --

Horde, Cairne?

(Even though I was one of the people who suggested Cairne I'm actually totally cool with Thunderhorn if that's how people want to go.)

[FlightlessBird]

My ignorant opinion is to go with the newer server. If someone can fight my ignorance and tell me why that's a bad idea, I'm all ears.

Once we get that decision made, we can go make characters and decide on the guild name later on.

Also, should we use our SDMB-username as our character names? (I suppose our Guild-Member notes can include our posting names...)

[Pleonast]

For the new players, I think a new server will ultimately be the better choice. So, my vote is Cairne, Horde, "Burning Dog Legion".

[Jragon]

I vote we go Horde (more people want horde, even me changing my vote owuldn't help at this point) and Cairne because then the newbies can experience stuff. I never thought about that. If someone really wants a normal pop please speak up but a new server would be good.

Let's have whoever gets the prereqs first makes the charter/guild and we can sort out leadership in the meantime/afterwords.

Edit: By the way I'll be rolling both a Druid and an Undead Warlock but I'm not sure which I'll main.

[MindWanderer]

I say Horde (I've done alliance alot, and I think Horde would be an interesting direction), and the newer server. On old servers I rarely find that many people in the low level zones, plus having logon queues would suck.

(added)
On the subject of user names, some of them probably wouldn't work. I don't think mine would be good for a character, but we could put them in guild notes.

I've played a priest and a mage before, so I think I will try a warrior to experience the melee side of things, or possibly a druid.

[Jayn_Newell]

I know you all voted medium, but high pop is also way better. There are enough alts on a high pop server to fill out the lower level areas nicely.
My only reservation with this would be that high pop can all too quickly turn into 'OMG I have to wait HOW LONG to play?" Even my home server, Baelgun, which was medium before the holidays had a few small queues lately--though still much better than the 500+, 45 min to an hour waits that Blackhand regularly had before we switched.

[Palooka]

I think I was the only other one favouring an old server, and it doesn't matter that much.

2nd'd: Cairne, Horde, "Burning Dog Legion".

[Skammer]

Hmmm... I'm thinking, Undead... maybe a priest. This will be fun!

[Jayn_Newell]

Female orc....something. Don't know what yet, just know there's nowhere near enough female orcs around. She'll be some sort of caster though, or maybe a hunter--I've tried melee, and while I enjoy tanking, DPS really doesn't do it for me. I'd rather heal, and we all know how popular that is.

[The Hamster King]

I'm planning on rolling undead rogue.

[Tastes of Chocolate]

I'd give this a shot. I love finding a group of people in WoW that are mature enough not to spend all their time discussing whether Chuck Norris could take Onyxia.

[FlightlessBird]

I'll roll something tonight! (Cairne - Horde)
If someone gets the guild rolling we need a way to let others know it's ready (for charters and such) Maybe some secret message in Trade or General:
"Where are the Burning Dogs?" That will indicate people who are reading this thread at least :cool:

[Jragon]

I'll roll something tonight! (Cairne - Horde)
If someone gets the guild rolling we need a way to let others know it's ready (for charters and such) Maybe some secret message in Trade or General:
"Where are the Burning Dogs?" That will indicate people who are reading this thread at least :cool:

Or we could like... post our names here. My Druid will be names Jsor and my Warlock will be named Jragonmiris.

[Palooka]

I'm on and will be for a while. /tell Frotty or join the channel sdmb.

[Jayn_Newell]

I made a warlock named Jayn (original, eh?) I won't be on again until tomorrow (Mount Hyjal, woot!), but feel free to look me up.

[Eonwe]

So, is this a go then?

As I said earlier, I'm completely new to this. How do I find/join a guild?

[Eonwe]

Hm. I logged in but I was unable to join in the channel. I think it had to do with me being on a 'trial' version, though I'm not sure.

[Lady of the Lake]

Hm. I logged in but I was unable to join in the channel. I think it had to do with me being on a 'trial' version, though I'm not sure.

Heya! I think this is the case - you can use the /say channel and talk to people in your direct area or talk to people who you are grouped with in the trial version - er but not reply or do certain channels I believe.

[Eonwe]

Heya! I think this is the case - you can use the /say channel and talk to people in your direct area or talk to people who you are grouped with in the trial version - er but not reply or do certain channels I believe.

I tried /[channel number] [text], and it told me I didn't have permission to speak.

[lisacurl]

So server is Cairne? Rolling Horde. Gotcha.

I'm thinking of a female Orc shaman. Unsure on name. Will join sdmb channel.

[Lady of the Lake]

I tried /[channel number] [text], and it told me I didn't have permission to speak.

Yes, It is because you're trial - you can't trade with people either yet. :( *hug*

If you share where you are, I'll try to come say 'hi'! (I'm going to see if the name 'Stampy' is taken first though!) :)

[Eonwe]

Yes, It is because you're trial - you can't trade with people either yet. :( *hug*

If you share where you are, I'll try to come say 'hi'! (I'm going to see if the name 'Stampy' is taken first though!) :)

I've moved on to getting some work done for tonight; looks like I'll need to decide whether or not I want to actually pay for this. Hm . . .

[Lady of the Lake]

I've moved on to getting some work done for tonight; looks like I'll need to decide whether or not I want to actually pay for this. Hm . . .

Quite the decision. :) Well, have a good night! :)

[wonderlust]

I'm on a trial version too, but it says I can only /tell someone who has made me their friend. We trial folks can post our names here, and someone from the guild can friend us so we can communicate.

[Jragon]

So we have some propaganda loving pics of our guild, unfortunately immolate refused to show up well ont he mob so you get to be treated to a not so burning dog. :/

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3853/wowscrnshot030308192517zf6.jpg

Oh and for election purposes the de facto leader is Frotty/Palooka (he made the charter) but I throw my hat into the GM running ebcause I'm a masochist with a napolean complex and enjoy tedious GM work.

[Jragon]

Well that was fun, didn't get much grouping due to slight variations in loging time, but ti'll even out around the higher levels when everyone pretty is close to the same track.

To those on when I left sorry I didn't say bye, my router crashed (again) while I was typing ym goodbyes in the inn.

Also the names of the ranks are up for discussion now.
Proposed
Initiate (not really nescessary): Lurker
Member: Legionarre
Guildmaster whatever he wants it to be in reason

Throw anything else out there for any of the ranks.

[Skammer]

I didn't get to log in last night, but I'll be along tonight or tomorrow.

[Nava]

There are rumours afoot that those of us with the EU version of the game will have access to the American servers soon (and vice versa). If that happens I'll transfer one 70 over and join you guys wherever you end up. Timezones and the uncertainty of the above being what they are I'd not really be available for a position of responsibility though.

Wonder if my enEN guildies will be mighty pissed at the loss of "that unguilded alt of Cora's who makes all the potions"...

Or I might start another toon. Or transfer the mage instead of the alchie rogue.

Given my play hours, there might be some of you "still on" by the time I am "already in." :p Not too good for raiding, but heck, I just like a guild with a nice /g chat, you know?

[Nava]

The only other question I'd like to chime in on is the money. 10-60 is so much easier if you have plenty of bag-space. Even starting the game with just 2g helps so much before level 20. (About then you start getting enough for what you need.)

Get at least one collecting profession, even if you plan on changing later; sell what you get, until you get your netherweave bags, even if what you are collecting would be mats for your crafting profession. Since I started doing that with my "baby" toons, I've been consistantly able to get them 3-4 netherweave bags by level 20 at the most, without hand-me-down gold from their elder sisters.

You just have to learn that second-best if often much better value-for-your-gold than top-best. Enchanted netherweave bags are only 2 more slots but the prices hurt.

[tonedef]

I got a 70lock & 60 shammy on Amun thul. With the names tonedef & tondeff if anyone else who plays on the server wants to hit me up.

As for the straightdope guild, what server & who do speak to in game about it>

[Lady of the Lake]

I got a 70lock & 60 shammy on Amun thul. With the names tonedef & tondeff if anyone else who plays on the server wants to hit me up.

As for the straightdope guild, what server & who do speak to in game about it>

The server is Cairne

The guild is: "Burning Dog Legion" - Frotty (Palooka) is the leader, but we were all given invite rights (I believe, haven't tested anything).

I had great fun - followed around a wise guildy in the newbie Tauren area. Taurens ftw!

[wonderlust]

My son's been playing for a couple of years. His account was stolen, so he lost all his characters. :( He's got a new account now and he's interested in the Dope guild too.

So just to be sure I got this right, we're a guild of new characters, not transfers?

Could we have one or two designated contacts, that could be PM'd on the Dope so an ingame contact can be arranged to get set up with the guild - or trial account character names, to be friended, so /talk can be enabled?

Forgive my ignorance, but what's the Burning Dog reference? Why the name?

[ArrMatey!]

Created 'Laughingedge' ('laughingblade' has too many characters), a belf pallie. I plan on going retrib just cos no one in my current guild will let me. So nyah! :)

[MindWanderer]

I created a Tauren Warrior named Leoril. Lady of the Lake was just starting out in the Tauren area when I made level 5 so I offered to help with the questing. We finished up the starting area and had plenty of fun.

The guild seems pretty spiffy, we'll see how many show up in the next few days I guess.

[Pleonast]

Once you're on Cairne, type /join smdb to enter our chat channel. Introduce yourself with your SDMB name, so we know who you are. Someone will send you an invite.

I've started two characters, an Orc Shaman with skinning and leather-working, and Tauren Druid with skinning and herbalism. Once I get my leather supply together, I can make leather armor for anyone who'd like it. If we have any Alchemists, I'll send my herbs to you. No charge for guildies, but in-kind trades are much appreciated.

Our class balance is looking good so far. Amazingly, no Hunters yet. I highly recommend the class to anyone new to the game.

[Pleonast]

So just to be sure I got this right, we're a guild of new characters, not transfers?Forgot to answer. Cairne is a new server, so transfers are disabled for something like six months.

Important Question: what's our policy for guild invites? Should we restrict to Dopers? Allow family?

Personally, I'm fine with Doper family, but I'd rather not allow other non-Dopers in. Keep it in the Cecil family, since that's the founding point of the guild.

[wonderlust]

deleted, oops

[Jayn_Newell]

Nevermind.....

[shijinn]

nothing to see here..

[Gary "Wombat" Robson]

Hmmm. Hamsters ate my post yesterday. That survey wasn't up for long, so I didn't get a response in before it closed, but I would have chosen a low- to medium- population server anyway, and if we're all starting new toons I really don't care whether we go Horde or Alliance. Anyone have a good feeling for what classes/professions we'll need the most?

My main is a frost mage and my favorite alt is a shadow priest. I'm also leveling a shaman. I'd do another one of any of those classes, but since most guilds seem to lack tanks and healers, I'm leaning toward the priest.

I don't know if anyone thanked InvisibleWombat for his generous offers in the OP, but I'd like to do so now. I hope you will still be in this, IW, despite the plans taking a different turn. I'm definitely still in on it, and I'll be rolling a new toon shortly.

[FlightlessBird]

I rolled 2 chars last night. Someone had the brilliant idea of leveling one while the other gets rested xp up. So I rolled an Undead Mage and a BElf Priest. I figure the Priest will come in handy on dungeon runs. Oh and names are Rottingbird and Healingbird.
I went herb/alch on the mage (need health pots), but not sure which to go with on the priest, maybe tailor so we can get bags. (or should I go skinning for the money?)

It seems like if we all are collecting mats, we can have one character be the super crafter. Ie everyone sends wool to Frotty the Tailor (not sure if he is...) then he can just pump out a ton of bags for everyone to get some. (He won't even need to go to AH for mats) we can do the same for Leatherworker and Blacksmith. I can volunteer for Guild-Alchemist, and make tons of healing potions.

We will really need that guild-bank to make this work best...

Is this beneficial to the guild, or am I just being stupid?

[Long Time Lurker]

I don't have a lot of free time, and when I do play WoW, I usually play by myself on a PVP server (I'm a bit of a masochist).

If you don't mind a guild member with an erratic and limited time schedule, it would be nice to have someone to talk to once in while.

I've played DPS mostly (rogue, warlock) and wouldn't mind trying something new. Any role under-represented at the moment? I assume a healer is always welcome? I could try my hand at priesthood.

[MJinks]

When/If will the American servers open up for Europeans to play on?

[Lady of the Lake]

I've played DPS mostly (rogue, warlock) and wouldn't mind trying something new. Any role under-represented at the moment? I assume a healer is always welcome? I could try my hand at priesthood.
It would be nice to know what we have - though I suppose many people are still in the 'planning to make their character stage' anyway. :) I know you can view guild members though somewhere...is it the armory? *confused*

But, yes I wish to make another character as well with the same xp saving goal in mind (I have a Tauren Druid - Stampy), and would pick a not over represented class. (...plus, I er...want to make a belf...)

I've enjoyed that we can talk and plan here on the sdmb - we're here anyway so it's awfully convenient. :)

I created a Tauren Warrior named Leoril. Lady of the Lake was just starting out in the Tauren area when I made level 5 so I offered to help with the questing. We finished up the starting area and had plenty of fun.
Thanks again - Your lively banter helped drive the image of the naked dancing Tauren I'd encountered when I logged into the world quite away! :D

[Jayn_Newell]

I say feel free to pick a class that can heal if you're willing to do it--they all have much more DPS utility than ever (yes, even paladins) so you still have some play if you decide not to heal, but you can go that way if you choose. My guild has a ret pally, a prot pally, a feral druid (tank mainly), a balance druid, a shadow priest, at least a couple elemental shaman, and an enhancement shaman among our regular prime-time raiders. That's pretty much every offspec there is.

[Vihaga]

My guild has a ret pally, a prot pally, a feral druid (tank mainly), a balance druid, a shadow priest, at least a couple elemental shaman, and an enhancement shaman among our regular prime-time raiders. That's pretty much every offspec there is.

No laser chickens! For shame!

(My druid's feral; my main is a holy priest and I just couldn't bring myself to spec moonkin.)

[Pleonast]

It seems like if we all are collecting mats, we can have one character be the super crafter. Ie everyone sends wool to Frotty the Tailor (not sure if he is...) then he can just pump out a ton of bags for everyone to get some. (He won't even need to go to AH for mats) we can do the same for Leatherworker and Blacksmith. I can volunteer for Guild-Alchemist, and make tons of healing potions.First off, I think we should each take the professions that look fun. No one should pass on one just because someone else has already taken it. Note: don't expect to make money on any crafting profession--take one for fun, not profit.

That said, professions will be much easier/cheaper/funner if we work together. Until we can get a guild bank, it'll be tricky to coordinate. For now, in the guild roster, we're having everyone list their Doper name and their professions. That way, you know who to ask for something. I'll be happy to mail mats or goods to anyone who needs them.

Edit: fixed weird spelling.

[Snarky_Kong]

First off, I think we should each take the professions that look fun. No one should pass on one just because someone else has already taken it. Note: don't expect to make money on any crafting profession--take one for fun, not profit.

That said, professions will be much easier/cheaper/funner if we work together. Until we can get a guild bank, it'll be tricky to coordinate. For now, in the guild roster, we're having everyone list their Doper name and their professions. That way, you know who to ask for something. I'll be happy to mail mats or goods to anyone who needs them.

Edit: fixed weird spelling.

Yeah, to make money crafting you need rare patterns, and nowadays I don't think there is anything that's that rare. I think I was the second 375 tailor on my server, and got the spellstrike pants pattern fairly quickly, so I made a decent amount of money off that, but transmutes and gathering is the way to make money with professions.

[Skammer]

I'm still planning to do an Undead Priest, unless it looks like we're going to have too many healers and not enough DPSers?

[Vihaga]

It seems like if we all are collecting mats, we can have one character be the super crafter. Ie everyone sends wool to Frotty the Tailor (not sure if he is...) then he can just pump out a ton of bags for everyone to get some. (He won't even need to go to AH for mats) we can do the same for Leatherworker and Blacksmith. I can volunteer for Guild-Alchemist, and make tons of healing potions.



That works well for some things; my current guild has a semi-official enchanter and jewelcrafter. For things like tailoring and blacksmithing, though, a lot of the good items require a specialization and are BoP.

[wonderlust]

I think I might go Bloodelf Paladin - I guess that's the only Horde race for Pally. I don't want to go Holy, so probably Protection (forgive my awkwardness with new terms). I still need to install Burning Crusades this afternoon, and I'll get in touch then.

[Snarky_Kong]

I'm still planning to do an Undead Priest, unless it looks like we're going to have too many healers and not enough DPSers?

Go shadow then. Shadow priests are generally more sought after than holy priests at higher levels.

[Jayn_Newell]

That works well for some things; my current guild has a semi-official enchanter and jewelcrafter. For things like tailoring and blacksmithing, though, a lot of the good items require a specialization and are BoP.
Not only that, but it's better to have the crafting professions shared, so that one person doesn't have all the rare patterns. It's generally a bad idea to have one person be the main anything as if they vanish for a while, or straight out quit, you're hosed.

[Pixilated]

ok here's my list:

the 3 sister bloodelfs - Cliodhna/priest, Thvia/warlock, Visaria/mage
Orc hunter - Niobrara
Undead Priest - Mullo

I'll probably play the hunter the most.

[Jragon]

Forgot to answer. Cairne is a new server, so transfers are disabled for something like six months.

Important Question: what's our policy for guild invites? Should we restrict to Dopers? Allow family?

Personally, I'm fine with Doper family, but I'd rather not allow other non-Dopers in. Keep it in the Cecil family, since that's the founding point of the guild.
I vote family and close personal (read: real life) friends, though we may want a screening process for the latter.

Once you're on Cairne, type /join smdb to enter our chat channel. Introduce yourself with your SDMB name, so we know who you are. Someone will send you an invite.

I've started two characters, an Orc Shaman with skinning and leather-working, and Tauren Druid with skinning and herbalism. Once I get my leather supply together, I can make leather armor for anyone who'd like it. If we have any Alchemists, I'll send my herbs to you. No charge for guildies, but in-kind trades are much appreciated.

Our class balance is looking good so far. Amazingly, no Hunters yet. I highly recommend the class to anyone new to the game.
I have a belf hunter named Ophielenis for alting (I don't think my druid will be much needed, though I may level him just to have a good gatherer).

[Basandre]

Chiela, tauren druid. Tailoring, and I can make linen bags. If you want a bag, send me 6 scraps of linen.

[Pleonast]

Once you're on Cairne, type /join smdb to enter our chat channel. Introduce yourself with your SDMB name, so we know who you are. Someone will send you an invite.Stupid dyslexia. It's /join sdmb. We have quite a turn out. More are welcome!

[Jragon]

Stupid dyslexia. It's /join sdmb. We have quite a turn out. More are welcome!
Well at least you didn't type /join bdsm. :p That would be some REALLY bad dyslexia and a VERY interesting discussion in the channel. ;)

[Skammer]

Okay, I got started last night - Kene, Undead Priest. Got to lvl 7 in a little over two hours, so not too bad. I found out that starting a new character on a new server is challenging, because you've got 50 lvl 1-2 players trying to kill the same mobs and complete the same quests in the starting area. But once I got out into the world it was better.

I've got tailoring/enchanting, so I'll let you know when I can start making bags. In the meantime if anyone needs a linen shirt...

[bbs2k]

Hmm, should I resubscribe? I am mulling it over now.

The reason I bailed the first time was specifically because I didn't feel like I had anyone to play with. Even on "teh internets" I've always had trouble introducing myself to people.

[Gary "Wombat" Robson]

When/If will the American servers open up for Europeans to play on?There are a bunch of people in our (American) guilds that are playing from Europe.

[wonderlust]

Being new to WOW, I'm not really finding a Horde race/class I want to play yet. I'm on a PvP server to play with my son, but I'm not enjoying the PvP aspect. For the SDMB guild I'm looking for a less complex class than I've played in past games, and I'm not very twitch. Any suggestions?

Otherwise I was wondering what PvE server some of you folks are on. I'm going to make a Draenai Paladin.

Thanks. And I still don't know what Burning Dog refers to.

~ Clueless

[The Hamster King]

For the SDMB guild I'm looking for a less complex class than I've played in past games, and I'm not very twitch. Any suggestions?Hunter. Playing a hunter well requires fair amount of finesse, but you can do an adequate job practically on auto pilot.

[wonderlust]

Hunter. Playing a hunter well requires fair amount of finesse, but you can do an adequate job practically on auto pilot.Hm, maybe a girly Tauren then. Herb gathering.

[Long Time Lurker]

And I still don't know what Burning Dog refers to.
A gem from this rant against pet rocks.. in a box.. or something:

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=203185

[Jayn_Newell]

Hunter. Playing a hunter well requires fair amount of finesse, but you can do an adequate job practically on auto pilot.
Not to mention an all-purpose panic button in the form of feign death.

I like hunters, I really do. I even married one. But lord do I hate that ability, and not just because of jealousy.

[Snarky_Kong]

Hunter. Playing a hunter well requires fair amount of finesse, but you can do an adequate job practically on auto pilot.

I'd say the same thing, but about a rogue. Rogue's generally won't have to do any CC during combat either.

[counsel wolf]

But lord do I hate that ability, and not just because of jealousy.

That and ice block have killed my shadow priest so often its not funny. Anyone who raids with me regularly has heard the ice block/FD rant.

[wonderlust]

I'm officially a girly troll hunter now on Cairne, named OomBipBipYah. I thought it was a PvP server, and boy am I glad it's not! Old folks will get the song reference. ;)

[Pleonast]

I'd say the same thing, but about a rogue. Rogue's generally won't have to do any CC during combat either.Rogues are too clicky for me. It's an easy class, but if you're looking for not twitchy, I wouldn't recommend it.

I've trained my Leatherworking up to a reasonable level. If you wear leather, talk to me in-game and I'll fix you up with some new armor.

[Risha]

Hi, just spotted this thread. I'm assuming that the new guild isn't all filled in yet. :D

I've actually started a couple of Horde characters, but without a guild lost interest fairly quickly. I've been fairly busy leveling up my Alliance level 60 elemental shaman, but if you can put up with my irregular schedule (sometimes playing all day for days on end, and other times not at all for a few weeks) then I'd like to join.

I'll probably start another shaman (I <3 hybrid classes), no idea of race yet. My name, like all of my toons, will have "Risha" in it somewhere. I'll give you guys a shout sometime in the next few days once I've created her.

[Demo]

I'll be rolling a character tonight. I'm looking at the armory and I only see a Burning Dog Legion guild on Thunderhorn. I thought you were joining Cairne. Which realm is it again?

[Dunawake]

I'll be rolling a character tonight. I'm looking at the armory and I only see a Burning Dog Legion guild on Thunderhorn. I thought you were joining Cairne. Which realm is it again?

It's definitely on Cairne, the armory is probably not up to date or something.

[Snarky_Kong]

It's definitely on Cairne, the armory is probably not up to date or something.

The armory updates on server resets on Tuesday and doesn't display characters below lvl 10.

[wonderlust]

Is there any way to transfer or mail money or items between servers? I'd like to repay bags with linen, but it's on my other character, another server.

[Snarky_Kong]

Is there any way to transfer or mail money or items between servers? I'd like to repay bags with linen, but it's on my other character, another server.

No, thank god. Server economies would be so screwed.

[Skammer]

I'm very close to being able to tailor bags; I need 3 or 4 more skill levels which I will get in my next session. So I'd be glad to make some for anyone who wants to send me some linen (mail to Kene).

[Basandre]

Yeah, Chiela has been making and sending linen bags, and now it can be Kene's turn - Chiela is getting to the end of the skill she can make on them.

[Nava]

I'm still planning to do an Undead Priest, unless it looks like we're going to have too many healers and not enough DPSers?

Shadow Priest FTW. Plus your casters will love, love, love, love you after level 40.

One of my small chars is a Sholy Priest: since I don't plan on using her for raiding and the most common healing spell in 5-man instances is Renew, I got those 5 talent points and the rest is going into Shadow. She can heal instances her level like nobody's business (I even have some +heal items), then melt faces during solo or if someone else wants to heal.

There are a bunch of people in our (American) guilds that are playing from Europe.

We still need to get and pay for a separate US account :(

[Jayn_Newell]

We still need to get and pay for a separate US account :(
I think the main reason for seeing Europeans on American servers is that the EU release was later, so some people went for the US version to get into it sooner.

And as I said before, don't worry about 'too many healers'. There isn't a class in the game that can't kick ass at DPS nowadays if they spec for it--even paladins.

[Skammer]

I was able to log in for a little while today and got the linen bag recipe, so I'm all set. I also leveled up to 20 on fishing :)

[CreaseMunky]

Hordie on Cairne... got it. I'll roll later today after this real life stuff is done and look for you.

Are we in need of any particular classes and/or professions? I'm going to roll 2 toons anyway (I always make a mule) so they can be whatever we need. Except shammys. I hate playing shammys.

[Pleonast]

I think we're fairly well covered for classes and professions (too bad the Armory is slow or you could check easily), so do what's fun for yourself first. Once you're in and can see the guild roster directly, you're welcome to make an alt. We're having everyone put their SDMB name and professions in their guild notes, so it's easy to check.

See you in Azeroth.

[Palooka]

So I've realized that I hate the PvE Cairne and the terrible players who rolled on it, so someone needs to take over whatever it is I do as the de facto guild leader.

[Jragon]

So I've realized that I hate the PvE Cairne and the terrible players who rolled on it, so someone needs to take over whatever it is I do as the de facto guild leader.
Oooh me, me!

What have you been doing (It's play time for me, especially since I'm off from wednesday of next week to monday the week after).

[Skammer]

So I've realized that I hate the PvE Cairne and the terrible players who rolled on it, so someone needs to take over whatever it is I do as the de facto guild leader.
What? I hope you mean the other players and not your guildmates. Are you dropping out?

I've noticed a high percentage of "Bush is teh suxxors!!!1" in General Chat, but I've been pretty free with the Ignore button. Your area might be worse than mine also. But I hate to see you give up after only a few days!

[Jragon]

What? I hope you mean the other players and not your guildmates. Are you dropping out?

I've noticed a high percentage of "Bush is teh suxxors!!!1" in General Chat, but I've been pretty free with the Ignore button. Your area might be worse than mine also. But I hate to see you give up after only a few days!

I interpreted his post to mean he needs a little break until things reach equilibrium or he won't be playing as much (inanity tolerence per hour) so he needs someone tot ake over because of this.

[Palooka]

I interpreted his post to mean he needs a little break until things reach equilibrium or he won't be playing as much (inanity tolerence per hour) so he needs someone tot ake over because of this.This is right.

[wonderlust]

Here's hoping there's no mass exodus now. I hope you'll be back later, Palooka.

Just a thought folks, but I don't think we should require our Doper names in the character notes. I've been happy to post my character name in this thread, but I'd like my Doper name to remain at SDMB, and not available to real life friends and family who happen to be on WOW. I like thinking of guildies in WOW terms, moreso than Doper terms, anyway.

[jayjay]

I'm a hopeless and unrepentant misanthrope who usually soloes everything. And yet I created toons on Cairne...

I'll be on soon.

[Skammer]

Great jayjay!

We had a pretty good crowd last night, considering everyone who was in & out over the few hours I was there. I think there was going to be an effort to get some dungeon parties together this weekend.

And once again, I'm trying to level tailoring, so if anyone needs any bags just mail me (Kene) in-game with linen (at least 6 pieces). I'll even supply the thread.

[Palooka]

Here's hoping there's no mass exodus now. I hope you'll be back later, Palooka.Yeah, I'm cool now. I played some Team Fortress and now I'm fine. Sort of ragequit'd after some stuff and made my post in haste.

Jragon is going to take over, since he volunteered a few days ago (the fool!).

[The Unkempt One]

I just found this thread. Awesome!

I will be rolling a horde character tonight. I have always wanted to play a healing class, so maybe a priest of some sort...

[Pixilated]

Just FYI - IME on new servers you always have the abundance of inconsiderates running around. the key is to hang in there because they will be weeded out - it just takes a few. Ignore button is your friend, guildies are your partners in crime ;)

[Jayn_Newell]

Just FYI - IME on new servers you always have the abundance of inconsiderates running around. the key is to hang in there because they will be weeded out - it just takes a few. Ignore button is your friend, guildies are your partners in crime ;)
IME there's always a bunch of inconsiderates aro9und--on new servers you just haven't had a chance to outlevel them yet.

[wonderlust]

By popular demand, the song my Troll Hunter (OomBipBipYah) is named after: Seven & Seven Is (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEC4LWbI1VU) via You Tube. Gotta dig the surf guitar and rhythms!

I think my Hunter will name her pet "Wooly Bully".

I don't know who originally did it in the 60s. It's hard to look up because everyone spells the refrain differently.

Lyrics for the psychotics among you:

When I was a boy
I thought that someday I would be a man
I'd sit beside the fireplace
Pretending I was in a can
Go inside my room
And put my mind in an ice cream cone
And you can throw me if you wanna
I'm a ball, and I go
Ooh bip bip, ooh bip bip yeah!

Now if I don't start cryin'
It's because that I have got no eyes
My heart lies in the fireplace
My dog lies hypnotized
And then there was the time
I wasn't able to find my way
And I'm trapped inside a night
But I'm a day, and I go
Ooh bip bip, ooh bip bip yeah

(Ad lib)

Now when I was a boy
I thought that someday I would be a man
I'd sit beside the fireplace
Pretending I was in a can
Go inside my room
And put my mind in an ice cream cone
Now you can throw me if you want
'Cause I'm a ball, and I go
Ooh bip bip,ooh bip bip yeah

(Ad lib)

Ooh bip bip, ooh bip bip yeah

[wonderlust]

I guess it was Love, with Arthur Lee that did it originally...before someone corrects me.

[bbs2k]

Ug.

I re-upped

I have a new character (toon?) in Cairne. He's a lonely rogue zombie wandering around UC.

His name is "bigbabysweet".

How the uck do I join a guild?

[Verminary]

How the uck do I join a guild?If you /join SDMB when you first log in, and then chat on that channel for a guild invite, anyone on that channel will see the request. Since we all have invite privileges, you should get one almost immediately. If you don't, just wait a few and ask again. Occasionally we will miss that channel in the scroll, but that doesn't happen too often.

Also, I know everybody's probably very poor right now, but if we all drop a couple of silver into the guild bank now and again, it will add up pretty quickly and we'll be that much closer to getting the first tab.

[jayjay]

And wouldn't ya know, just when I'm ready to get on and ask for a guild invite, my WoW comes up corrupted? I'm redownloading the client now...my CDs, for some reason, haven't ever worked beyond the first few times.

I'll be on eventually...pinkie swear!

[Skammer]

If you /join SDMB when you first log in, and then chat on that channel for a guild invite, anyone on that channel will see the request. Since we all have invite privileges, you should get one almost immediately. If you don't, just wait a few and ask again. Occasionally we will miss that channel in the scroll, but that doesn't happen too often.

Also, I know everybody's probably very poor right now, but if we all drop a couple of silver into the guild bank now and again, it will add up pretty quickly and we'll be that much closer to getting the first tab.
Is there a place for us to donate money now or do we have to wait until we can scrounge up the 100g? I didn't know there was anywhere to set the money aside until then.

Of course, after I trained today I had 60c left and had to sell some of my food to a vendor just to afford the bat back to Silverpine -- so it's not that urgent yet.

bbs2k, I'm Undead also (Kene, 15 priest) and in and out of UC a lot. If you need bags let me know. I also have some minor enchants available.

[jayjay]

Is there a place for us to donate money now or do we have to wait until we can scrounge up the 100g? I didn't know there was anywhere to set the money aside until then.

Of course, after I trained today I had 60c left and had to sell some of my food to a vendor just to afford the bat back to Silverpine -- so it's not that urgent yet.

bbs2k, I'm Undead also (Kene, 15 priest) and in and out of UC a lot. If you need bags let me know. I also have some minor enchants available.

If you are already a guild member, you can use the Guild Bank, I believe. In Undercity, for example, the big faces on the corners of the regular bank are the Guild Banks. You should be able to just use them like you do the regular one.

Here (http://www.wowwiki.com/List_of_bank_locations) is a page at WoWWiki that shows the locations of all the guild banks.

[Skammer]

If you are already a guild member, you can use the Guild Bank, I believe. In Undercity, for example, the big faces on the corners of the regular bank are the Guild Banks. You should be able to just use them like you do the regular one.

Here (http://www.wowwiki.com/List_of_bank_locations) is a page at WoWWiki that shows the locations of all the guild banks.
Cool, I didn't realize that we could put money in before we had a tab. I'll start dropping change in whenever I'm passing through.

[jayjay]

Cool, I didn't realize that we could put money in before we had a tab. I'll start dropping change in whenever I'm passing through.

Tabards are completely cosmetic. There's nothing in a tabard that makes your guild legit or makes you a legit guildmember. They're just for show.

As long as the guild is a legitimately chartered guild that's recognized by the servers, guildmembers should be able to use the Guild Vault.

[jayjay]

Gah...disregard that. I thought you meant "tabard"...never even thought of the tabs in the Guild Vault. I'm not sure, actually, if that's possible. Money doesn't go in a slot, so it's uncertain...

[wonderlust]

Could someone please explain what the tab is that we're contributing to?

[Skammer]

Okay...
I did mean "tab" in terms of slots in the bank, not a tabard. But since I was at the bank anyway, I clicked on the guild vault to see what came up.

There are no slots to place items, of course - I think we need 100G for that. But indeed you can make a monetary contribution to our guild balance. Some of you already know this because there are a few G's in there already. I tossed in what change I could spare at the time.

Did any of us do RFC this weekend, as advertised? If so I must have missed it.

[Lady of the Lake]

I'm really enjoying the *feel* of the server at the moment, it's enjoyable that most people are around the same level, that we're ALL starting out together.

Though it was a crazy experience trying to level past five as a blood elf - blood elves here, blood elves there, blood elves everywhere!

One thing I've done is group with people at important spots - when you need to get someone's head it's better to just join up for a second than waiting as all five of you try to kill him only to have a last minute arrival ninja it anyway.

The only negative has been the general chat - but maybe this is just because lately I've been in the blood elf zones. Maybe it's better near Taurens or Trolls or Orcs. (I'd say undead as well, but half the people I run into in the Ghostlands are undead) ;)

And maybe it's just me, but I've noticed more mining nodes/flowers popping than on other servers - maybe it's the number of people playing that affects this? It's been heaven for leveling mining though and My holy Pallie loved it!

Ah - I had two green cloth items I had wanted to donate to the guild for a low teen caster. If the bank won't work, I'll try offering in guild chat. :)

[jayjay]

The only negative has been the general chat - but maybe this is just because lately I've been in the blood elf zones. Maybe it's better near Taurens or Trolls or Orcs. (I'd say undead as well, but half the people I run into in the Ghostlands are undead) ;)

Yes, Eversong Forest General channel is getting a reputation as the new Barrens General, i.e. home of the stupidest, most obnoxious chat on the realm. One thing to keep in mind is that this does improve as you move out from the newbie zones, as the kool kiddies drop off from boredom, dilettantism, altitis, etc.

[Verminary]

For those of you who aren't familiar with the guild bank (it just came out in patch 2.3, so it's a fairly recent additon), the quick explanation is that it gives us a collective place to store money and items we want to make available to other guild members, such as the greens Lady of the Lake mentioned. Unfortunately, unlike the regular bank, there is no automatic free storage space in the guild bank, and we have to raise 100g to buy the first "tab," which has 98 slots for us to fill with itemy goodness. WoWWiki (http://www.wowwiki.com/Guild_bank) has a breakdown of all the features, if you want to explore in depth.

I'd like to get the tab set up as soon as we can. So far we've just been using guild chat, but that's limited to whoever happens to hear the offer, and it would be a lot easier to distribute the mats and greens we're accumulating via the guild bank. It also helps if you list your professions in your guild note, because then we can look there and see that Soandso has tailoring, and might therefore have a use for those umpteen stacks of linen we've collected.

[Tamex]

I just rolled Linai, a blood elf hunter, and got her up to level 5. I'll be asking for an invite next time I play--probably tonight.

What times do you guys usually play? I'm only on this early because I'm home sick today--normally, it would be evenings and weekends.

[Gary "Wombat" Robson]

It also helps if you list your professions in your guild note, because then we can look there and see that Soandso has tailoring, and might therefore have a use for those umpteen stacks of linen we've collected.I thought we decided we were all going to put our Dopernames in the guild notes, so we could connect the two environments.

[Skammer]

No reason not to do both - my guild notes show my Doper name as well as my professions. Although I'm leaning toward dropping enchanting and picking up mining or skinning, since I'm having trouble coming up with money for training. I'm having more fun with the tailoring, though, so I'll keep that.

[Trollhaugen]

Just found this thread. I will create a toon tonight, probably a troll shaman since I have not played that yet. I will use the doper name. I do not play much, so I will not level as fast as some of you, but it will be fun to have something in common and a guild. full of people to play with.

[FlightlessBird]

Just wanted to post a note that 4 of us went through Ragefire Chasm yesterday. We finished all the quests, and 3 of us leveled (well one was a pet I think). We cleared it out, but it did take a little longer than I thought it would (and we wiped 3 times:( ). Big thanks go to our lvl 20 Druid, Democritus, who both tanked and healed! And big gratz go to our newbie OomBipBipYah. First instance, and you did great!
After a bit of trouble with the Voidwalker, our Warlock did mass damage too. Well done. (I love VW on VW fighting:) )
As I get a bit higher I'll run anyone through RFC, but we're definitely going to need a healer and a tank.
Wailing Caverns are next for me!

[Gary "Wombat" Robson]

That sounds great, Bird. What's the level range for Ragefire? My shaman is level 10, and with the new "easy-level" system ;) from the last patch, I should be able to move him up pretty quickly. It's going to be fun doing a new low-level instance I've never run before.

[jayjay]

That sounds great, Bird. What's the level range for Ragefire? My shaman is level 10, and with the new "easy-level" system ;) from the last patch, I should be able to move him up pretty quickly. It's going to be fun doing a new low-level instance I've never run before.

I think it's something like 14-20, though I can't check since game sites are blocked here at work. RFC is fun...it's relatively short, there aren't TOO many quests inside to keep track of, and the loot's pretty good for the levels.

[Algher]

I will log in today and create a troll hunter on Cairne. if all goes well, same character name as my dope name.

I like herbs & alchemy (so that I can heal myself when needed)

[Yllaria]

Got my troll hunter to 10th level and I'm almost ready to get a pet. This is my first time as a troll or a hunter, and I'm inexperienced at grouping. Her name is Missanthrope. She does mining and blacksmithing. I'll have sharpening stones and weight stones available from time to time. I'll update the guild notes later, when I've figured that out.

We seem to be getting a spate of troll hunters. One of my kids told be I'd be better off with an orc, as they have a ranged damage boost. But so far I'm liking the regen during battle. I can stand back and trade shots with every ranged target I've met so far.

[jayjay]

Got my troll hunter to 10th level and I'm almost ready to get a pet. This is my first time as a troll or a hunter, and I'm inexperienced at grouping. Her name is Missanthrope. She does mining and blacksmithing. I'll have sharpening stones and weight stones available from time to time. I'll update the guild notes later, when I've figured that out.

We seem to be getting a spate of troll hunters. One of my kids told be I'd be better off with an orc, as they have a ranged damage boost. But so far I'm liking the regen during battle. I can stand back and trade shots with every ranged target I've met so far.

Hunters are always overpopulated...they're the second most popular class. I think rogues or warlocks are first.

May I make a suggestion? A gathering skill that has a minimap tracking component isn't usually a great idea for a hunter, since you can only have one tracking ability running at a time. Hunters have great class-specific tracking abilities and if you have mining as well, you're going to have to either not use the hunter tracking abilities or you'll have to be switching off all the time, which is really annoying. I would suggest overhauling your tradeskills completely. Maybe pick skinning and leatherworking or skinning and enchanting or skinning and tailoring...just so you have two tradeskills that don't take up a tracking slot.

It's up to you, though. I just find it really annoying to switch out the tracking abilities all the time. Sometimes the hunter tracking is just too beneficial to not use.

[lisacurl]

That sounds great, Bird. What's the level range for Ragefire? My shaman is level 10, and with the new "easy-level" system ;) from the last patch, I should be able to move him up pretty quickly. It's going to be fun doing a new low-level instance I've never run before.Most of the Azeroth instances were adjusted slightly downward with the EZ leveling change. RFC is now 13-16.

[Gary "Wombat" Robson]

Most of the Azeroth instances were adjusted slightly downward with the EZ leveling change. RFC is now 13-16.Cool. I'll be in range with one more quest/grind session.

[wonderlust]

I had a blast in RFC with our guildies! I'm pleased to report that I've worked out my computer's sound issues, so I now am getting the auditory feedback I need to help keep track of all that's going on around me. Thanks for your patience, guys. What drove me nuts was a full inventory (petfood taking up one bag) and trying to make snap decisions about lottery gear, with battle all around. But with my first instance under my belt, I'm ready for future ones!

My troll hunter is almost level 18 now, I'm in love with my pet, and thanks to great advice from Verminary, I've now tamed another beast to learn his skills and have passed them along to my own pet. For a WOW newbie, hunter rocks! My pet and I are doing some nice damage, and I feel like I can explore new areas with confidence that I won't get killed too often.

I'm skinning, fishing, and cooking. Fishing's fantastic! I have herbalism, but so far am in mostly desert areas without much to gather. I'm having way too much fun.

[Skammer]

Hey, I'd love to do RFC -- I've never done it before. The only instance I've done is VC with PUG's and those have never been too successful.

I'm a lvl 17 priest, so I can probably take healing duties if you're patient with me.

I'll be on 8:30-10:30 tonight, is that enough time? Is anyone up for it?

[jayjay]

My troll hunter

<snip>

I'm skinning, fishing, and cooking. Fishing's fantastic! I have herbalism, but so far am in mostly desert areas without much to gather. I'm having way too much fun.

I offer the same suggestion to you that I did to Yllaria. A gathering skill that has a minimap tracking component can be cumbersome for a hunter.

Again, as with her, it's up to you. :)

[Palooka]

So I dumped enough money into the guild bank to pay for a guild crest, so we need to agree on a design. I suggest this (http://www.merciless-gilde.com/tabbard/tabbard-32-0-14-101-14.jpg) design. It's blue and white like the SDMB and sort of dog themed.

If you don't like it, you can go here (http://www.merciless-gilde.com/index.php?show=tools&tool=3) to make your own design.

[FlightlessBird]

Fishing's fantastic!
:dubious: Never before have those words been spoken! Fishings such a grind to level. Of course it pays off in free food.

[jayjay]

:dubious: Never before have those words been spoken! Fishings such a grind to level. Of course it pays off in free food.

And at higher levels there are fish that you can sell for a fair amount of money. On one of my other characters on another server, I basically made up the last 60 gold to buy my mount (old system) on Stonescale Eels fished off of the dock east of Gadgetzan.

[Lady of the Lake]

Hey, I'd love to do RFC -- I've never done it before. The only instance I've done is VC with PUG's and those have never been too successful.

I'm a lvl 17 priest, so I can probably take healing duties if you're patient with me.

I'll be on 8:30-10:30 tonight, is that enough time? Is anyone up for it?

I am definitely up for this tonight if we get a group together! I'm a 15 Paladin.

I can try tanking if we need, or secondary heal if we get another tank - I did the quest to get rez and am going holy.

Quick question: Any advice for tanking with a Paladin? I've mainly played healers in groups as my main is a priest. I know tanks hold aggro, but as of yet, I haven't seen any spells that *gain aggro* - maybe just haven't gotten it yet. *grin* I'll have to research this when I get home. :)

Otherwise I'll just try swinging my sword aggressively and shouting obnoxious and ribald lyrics at our opponents!

[Skammer]

I am definitely up for this tonight if we get a group together! I'm a 15 Paladin.

I can try tanking if we need, or secondary heal if we get another tank - I did the quest to get rez and am going holy.

Quick question: Any advice for tanking with a Paladin? I've mainly played healers in groups as my main is a priest. I know tanks hold aggro, but as of yet, I haven't seen any spells that *gain aggro* - maybe just haven't gotten it yet. *grin* I'll have to research this when I get home. :)

Otherwise I'll just try swinging my sword aggressively and shouting obnoxious and ribald lyrics at our opponents!
My main is a Prot Pally, and I can tell you it's very hard to tank at the lower levels, epsecially multiple mobs. Do you have "consecrate" yet? That helps. Single mobs, you'll probably be fine if you have good armor (including a shield) and a decent 1-handed weapon. Just keep using your seals (I like Crusader) to add holy damage, and judge them when they are about to expire.

Tanking as a Pally gets a lot easier in your mid-30s --- or so I'm told, my main is only 27 right now and I've been ignoring him to level up my priest for this group.

[Lady of the Lake]

My main is a Prot Pally, and I can tell you it's very hard to tank at the lower levels, epsecially multiple mobs. Do you have "consecrate" yet? That helps. Single mobs, you'll probably be fine if you have good armor (including a shield) and a decent 1-handed weapon. Just keep using your seals (I like Crusader) to add holy damage, and judge them when they are about to expire.

Tanking as a Pally gets a lot easier in your mid-30s --- or so I'm told, my main is only 27 right now and I've been ignoring him to level up my priest for this group.

Ah - thank you for the advice. :) I don't believe I have 'consecrate' yet - doing searches I *think* get it at level 20 unless I'm wrong.

Will do with the seals and judgement - I always like to have *something* up either buffing me or hurting them. :) But then I'm coming at the Paladin from a casters perspective so my fingers get twitchy if I'm not spelling something at them. ;)

[Gary "Wombat" Robson]

I'd love to do the run tonight, but I don't think I can gain four levels between the time I get off work and the time you want to start a run. I'm up for the next one, though!

[wonderlust]

I offer the same suggestion to you that I did to Yllaria. A gathering skill that has a minimap tracking component can be cumbersome for a hunter.I agree, I almost never have the herb tracking up. I might as well drop that. But fishing/cooking/skinning/first aid are perfect matches, and I may take up leather later.

Palooka, I like the crest you made! Can you add flames? Or scorching?

:dubious: Never before have those words been spoken! Fishings such a grind to level. Of course it pays off in free food.Well then, never play FFXI. You can put in a 40-hour week of fishing before leveling a single point. After that, fishing in WOW is like a sprint. There's something addicting about chasing pool spawns and fishing up closed crates. I can't wait until my character is high enough to fish better spots without my getting ganked.

I wonder how high my fishing needs to be before I can do the Sunday fishing competition!

At what level should I move on from the Barrens? Otherwise I could be doing quests there until my 30s.

[aruvqan]

Just wanted to post a note that 4 of us went through Ragefire Chasm yesterday. We finished all the quests, and 3 of us leveled (well one was a pet I think). We cleared it out, but it did take a little longer than I thought it would (and we wiped 3 times:( ). Big thanks go to our lvl 20 Druid, Democritus, who both tanked and healed! And big gratz go to our newbie OomBipBipYah. First instance, and you did great!
After a bit of trouble with the Voidwalker, our Warlock did mass damage too. Well done. (I love VW on VW fighting:) )
As I get a bit higher I'll run anyone through RFC, but we're definitely going to need a healer and a tank.
Wailing Caverns are next for me!
why thanks, i love my void also=)

i tend to go demon spec until i hit outlands and respec to destro for raids. i forgot to hit the dps meter to let people know what we all did ... ill try to remembe rnext time=)

[jayjay]

I agree, I almost never have the herb tracking up. I might as well drop that. But fishing/cooking/skinning/first aid are perfect matches, and I may take up leather later.

Palooka, I like the crest you made! Can you add flames? Or scorching?

Well then, never play FFXI. You can put in a 40-hour week of fishing before leveling a single point. After that, fishing in WOW is like a sprint. There's something addicting about chasing pool spawns and fishing up closed crates. I can't wait until my character is high enough to fish better spots without my getting ganked.

I wonder how high my fishing needs to be before I can do the Sunday fishing competition!

At what level should I move on from the Barrens? Otherwise I could be doing quests there until my 30s.

Mid-20s, probably. I believe Ashenvale is 20-30 and 1000 Needles is 30-40.

[jayjay]

Palooka, I like the crest you made! Can you add flames? Or scorching?

How about this (http://www.merciless-gilde.com/tabbard/tabbard-6-1-1-101-1.jpg)?

[Verminary]

How about this (http://www.merciless-gilde.com/tabbard/tabbard-6-1-1-101-1.jpg)?I like that one. It's probably the closest we'll get to anything resembling a combination of flames and dogs, too.

[wonderlust]

I like that too. It's the Horde colors. Good job!

[wonderlust]

Is anyone interested in doing Wailing Caverns this weekend?

[Pixilated]

Dont know if everyone was aware that the server has started the collection of goods & you get rewards in exchange - Horde Supply request or something like that. Blah - sorry, eyelids drooping... just go to Ogrimar and check out all the !'s by the First Aide trainer.

[jayjay]

Dont know if everyone was aware that the server has started the collection of goods & you get rewards in exchange - Horde Supply request or something like that. Blah - sorry, eyelids drooping... just go to Ogrimar and check out all the !'s by the First Aide trainer.

The An'Qiraj War Effort is still going on because it's a new server. They're going to collect all that stuff, then at some point someone will be able to open the Gates of An'Qiraj, a HUGE instance in Silithus in the southwest corner of Kalimdor. It's a great opportunity to grab other-racial reputation, as you can get commendations for collecting things they need, then trade those commendations in at the racial commendation officer of your choice for rep.

[jayjay]

You can tell there are Dopers on Cairne...I tried to name my new Belf Mage "Marianas"...already taken. "Hiyopal"...already taken. "Gotchaya"...already taken. I finally hit paydirt with "Rioduran"...

[Lady of the Lake]

Dont know if everyone was aware that the server has started the collection of goods & you get rewards in exchange - Horde Supply request or something like that. Blah - sorry, eyelids drooping... just go to Ogrimar and check out all the !'s by the First Aide trainer.

I was not aware of this! I'll check it out. :)

[FlightlessBird]

Is anyone interested in doing Wailing Caverns this weekend?
Definitely! I'll try and grab as many quests as I can, and then get some guildies in on a run. maybe Sat morning, but I assume I'll see plenty of people online. Last night there were 20 people online...it was great!

[Skammer]

I'd like to do WC, but I'm not sure what times I'll be on this weekend. I can't really commit to running an instance until after the kids are in bed (8 or 8:30).

[Jragon]

Okay guys, sorry. I'll be on this weekend. Some of you may have been on when my router made funny noises and then I DCed right after. You may also have been perplexed that I posted right after. Well you see for some reason my router/modem has been crashing on and off recently, and it seems to happen frequently when I'm in a game like WoW or WCIII, it also happens every morning (or if I'm not there in the morning to see it still there when I get home) I'm not sure what the issue is, but it could be overheating or soemthing. All I know is this router/moden set is anceint (okay a few years but still) so I'm getting it replaced this saturday (tomorrow). Have fun in WC if you go (or backdated good luck if you already went).

[aruvqan]

squeeee - just bought a second laptop *technically* for work [am trying to convince them to let me use my new used hp dv9000 as the screen is bigger and it doesnt make that whining noise when it is on ac power...] but as an added attraction, I can play WOW on it, so mrAru and I can both actually play at the same time.

Unfortunately it has serious lag issues because it has the gimpy video card with no memory but adding a second gig of ram helped a bit. Unfortunately it is a vista box which sucks, but at least he will be able to play at the same time.

[Cerowyn]

I created a character on that server for the fun of it, a BElf Hunter, 'cause it's one combination I've never played.

I used the incredibly original name of... Cerowyn. So, now I'm gender confused in WoW, too.

Of course, nobody was answering on the sdmb channel tonight. Can someone take pity on me and invite me to the guild at some point? (i.e. friend me so you know when I'm online) That would be excellent. Thank you.

[jayjay]

Okay...I figured out what was wrong with my computer (bad RAM board), and it's working again. Hopefully for longer than a week...

[Skammer]

I created a character on that server for the fun of it, a BElf Hunter, 'cause it's one combination I've never played.

I used the incredibly original name of... Cerowyn. So, now I'm gender confused in WoW, too.

Of course, nobody was answering on the sdmb channel tonight. Can someone take pity on me and invite me to the guild at some point? (i.e. friend me so you know when I'm online) That would be excellent. Thank you.

What time were you on? We'll definitely invite you if we see you on the SDMB channel.

It looks like we had a number of runs through WC this weekend. Now that we have a number of people level 20-25, I have a bunch of quests for Shadowfang Keep I could use help with...

[Kene]

[Pleonast]

I'll be on most of the evening tonight, in the sdmb channel. "Omencaller" or "Riverheart".

And don't feel like you need to keep up with the faster levelers. My characters are still in their mid teens.

[Cerowyn]

What time were you on? We'll definitely invite you if we see you on the SDMB channel.

It looks like we had a number of runs through WC this weekend. Now that we have a number of people level 20-25, I have a bunch of quests for Shadowfang Keep I could use help with...I was on for an hour or so from about 1:30 AM Eastern.

I hit 8th, and I think I can hit 20th within a session or two (with the new accelerated progression, it seems ridiculously easy these days). I'm always up for re-running dungeons with characters who need a little help.

[Skammer]

Oh, okay... my days of playing on the computer at 2am are well behind me. Eventually someone will be on who can invite you to join, though.

[FlightlessBird]

One run through the Wailing Caverns:
We took our time, to the point that the initial mobs respawned by the time we were ready to do the escort quest.
Notes:
2 Mages = lots of sheep!
2nd time in an instance with a druid tank - at least someone was able to get all the leather items. 3/5 of the Fang gear!
The Priest and Pally worked really well in the main Boss battles as Heal, and off-Heal.
Otherwise, Priest was extraordinary and Pally punched up our dps too.

The biggest news was that everyone in the party leveled! I even leveled twice! Leads me to encourage instance runs for xp value. Whatever it takes to get out of the Barrens!
Shadow Fang Keep - next!

[Gary "Wombat" Robson]

Just hit level 13, so hopefully I'm in on the next run. I'm definitely looking forward to it.

I didn't recognize some of the names in the guild, so I thought it might be fun to start a new thread (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=9584979) connecting the WoW names to the Dopernames. Stop in and introduce yourself!

[Skammer]

One run through the Wailing Caverns: I had a ton of fun, and it was the first time I've been with a group that finished an instance. I wish I had had more of the quests.

Thanks, Bird, for your patience with the newer folk. I'm glad I was able to pull my weight. Everyone did a great job! I got a nice staff, but I hope that SFK will have some nicer cloth armor drops :)

[Pleonast]

We had a run through Ragefire Chasm last night. Thanks, everyone who helped!

[wonderlust]

I've been feeling like I need to slow down my leveling, especially being a hunter. This is my first character in WOW, so I've been fishing and doing a lot of quests to get the feel of an area before moving on to the next area. I'm realizing that the quests will keep coming forever if I let them, so I'm trying to put a damper on my sense that I might miss something fun. I guess I should leave something for future characters to do.

Now I'm in Ashenvale, and I could level super-fast with the mobs there, but there are probably some great quest lines there that I wouldn't want to miss. :sigh:

[jayjay]

I had a ton of fun, and it was the first time I've been with a group that finished an instance. I wish I had had more of the quests.

Thanks, Bird, for your patience with the newer folk. I'm glad I was able to pull my weight. Everyone did a great job! I got a nice staff, but I hope that SFK will have some nicer cloth armor drops :)

I can't really tell from what I've read from you how much of this you already know, but your comment about wishing you had more of the quests makes me think you might not know this. Are you aware that you can share quests with your party (and vice versa)? If someone had quests that you didn't for WC, they could actually give you the quest as if they were the original questgiver (though you'd turn it in at the original questgiver, not your partymate).

Also, there's a small quest hub right above the main entrance to the caves in one of the "eyesockets" of the skull-shaped rocks. You have to do some exploring to get in there, but there are about five or six quests (mostly leatherworking-related) for inside WC.

[Pleonast]

I've been feeling like I need to slow down my leveling, especially being a hunter. This is my first character in WOW, so I've been fishing and doing a lot of quests to get the feel of an area before moving on to the next area. I'm realizing that the quests will keep coming forever if I let them, so I'm trying to put a damper on my sense that I might miss something fun. I guess I should leave something for future characters to do.

Now I'm in Ashenvale, and I could level super-fast with the mobs there, but there are probably some great quest lines there that I wouldn't want to miss. :sigh:You can go back to zones and do quests, even if you've out-leveled them. It's a little tricky to find them, since they won't have the gold "!" over their heads. You'll need to talk to all the NPCs in an area to find if they have any low-level quests for you. Some have interesting things to say.

You won't get xp or useful gear from doing old quests, but you will get cash and reputation. And rep is useful--you'll get a price discounts based on how high your rep is with their faction.

[Infovore]

You can go back to zones and do quests, even if you've out-leveled them. It's a little tricky to find them, since they won't have the gold "!" over their heads. You'll need to talk to all the NPCs in an area to find if they have any low-level quests for you. Some have interesting things to say.
I'm not in front of the machine with WoW right now and I can't remember off the top of my head, but I believe now even the low level quests will show on your minimap as dimmed exclamation points. You still won't see the ! over the questgiver's head if you outlevel the quest, but if you check the minimap and mouse over the dimmed ! there, you should be able to find the questgiver without too much trouble.

You guys sound like you're having a lot of fun with this new guild! I wish I could join you, but I'm trying to be realistic about time, since my 70 mage just joined a hardcore raiding guild and is getting ready to go to Hyjal and BT (we're on an RP server and are the first guild on the server to get to these and the farthest progressed--I was so proud that they took me!), and I'm trying to level up my level 41 hunter alt on the same server. I'd have a hard time eking out any more play time for a different server, which is a bummer.

[jayjay]

In addition, there's an add-on called TourGuide that has all the quests in each zone that you can skim through and figure out whether you got them or not. It's not available online anymore...I've searched for it already. However, I do have it saved on my computer, so if you want it, my email is in my profile. I can send it to you, though you'll have to wait until I get home tonight.

[Skammer]

I can't really tell from what I've read from you how much of this you already know, but your comment about wishing you had more of the quests makes me think you might not know this. Are you aware that you can share quests with your party (and vice versa)? If someone had quests that you didn't for WC, they could actually give you the quest as if they were the original questgiver (though you'd turn it in at the original questgiver, not your partymate).

Also, there's a small quest hub right above the main entrance to the caves in one of the "eyesockets" of the skull-shaped rocks. You have to do some exploring to get in there, but there are about five or six quests (mostly leatherworking-related) for inside WC.

Thanks, several of the quests got shared with me, which was great (although I think I only finished one or two... I'll have to go back). The others were part of quest chains that I didn't have the pre-reqs for, since I had not done any questing in the Barrens.

And I've got several for SFK to share as soon as we get a group together for that one...

[jayjay]

Thanks, several of the quests got shared with me, which was great (although I think I only finished one or two... I'll have to go back). The others were part of quest chains that I didn't have the pre-reqs for, since I had not done any questing in the Barrens.

And I've got several for SFK to share as soon as we get a group together for that one...

Ooh...that's unfortunate. There is a REALLY nice staff that's a quest reward for the Barrens chain that ends in WC. I can't look it up to link it right now since work blocks gaming sites, but it's very nice. My old troll priestess was using it into her 30s.

If you are going to go back to WC for something else, I'd do the chain first...if you talk to the tauren just inside the south gate of Crossroads, by the tailor tent, he begins the chain. It's not that long, and it's pretty easy. I think there are something like four or five steps.

[Skammer]

Ooh...that's unfortunate. There is a REALLY nice staff that's a quest reward for the Barrens chain that ends in WC. I can't look it up to link it right now since work blocks gaming sites, but it's very nice. My old troll priestess was using it into her 30s.

Is it Living Root (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=6631)? If so I got that without the quest. If not, I can't imagine one that would be much of an improvement. The DPS doesn't matter to me (as a priest I rarely melee) but the +12 Spirit and +6 spell damage are huge.

I don't want to sound like I'm complaining about not having the quests, I had a ball in WC even without them and got a great staff out of it.

[jayjay]

Is it Living Root (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=6631)? If so I got that without the quest. If not, I can't imagine one that would be much of an improvement. The DPS doesn't matter to me (as a priest I rarely melee) but the +12 Spirit and +6 spell damage are huge.

I don't want to sound like I'm complaining about not having the quests, I had a ball in WC even without them and got a great staff out of it.

By sidestepping the filters with Google, I can tell you to look up "Crescent Staff". It's supposedly the best staff possible for lvl 20-30.

[Skammer]

Okay, I investigated on Thottbot and realized you were talking about Crescent Staff (http://thottbot.com/i6505), which is a quest reward for WC. That one's nice, too -- +7 Stam, Int, and Spirit; slightly less DPS (20.3 vs. 21.2).

It's nice but not worth going after if I already have the other one (except for reputation, xp, gold, and fun).

[Lazlo]

Oh fun! If y'all don't mind a (mostly) lurker, I think it'd be fun to join up.

Is there any class in particular you need? I'm kind of partial to making a cow warrior. Everyone needs tanks, but I'm flexible.

/moo

ETA: I'm in a hardcore guild at the moment, so this would be "vacation" time for me. :)

[Skammer]

Oh fun! If y'all don't mind a (mostly) lurker, I think it'd be fun to join up.

Is there any class in particular you need? I'm kind of partial to making a cow warrior. Everyone needs tanks, but I'm flexible.

/moo

ETA: I'm in a hardcore guild at the moment, so this would be "vacation" time for me. :)
I'm pretty sure we have plenty of room for another warrior. Actually I've been impressed at how well-balanced we are in terms of classes.

Once the server update completes today, I hope that our guild info will show up in the Armory -- then you'll be able to see better where we might be lacking.

[wonderlust]

I need a coordinates add-on. The more add-ons I look at, the less I know. Now I'm wondering if what I really need is a quest helper tied into Wowhead or Thottbot, with map notes functionality, because I keep logging in and out to research quests and locations, etc. I also want to mark good spots to return to, like for fishing.

Anyway, I'm sooo leery of add-ons, after playing Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion with mods. I'm hoping someone experienced can point me in the direction of something lightweight, tested, easy-to-use, and stable.

[FlightlessBird]

Well to start with, you shouldn't need to log-out to check other apps, control-M makes WoW run in a window, so you can alt-tab to a browser to look up stuff. As for finding addons, I just search curse.com or wowinterface.com or really google "world of warcraft" addons.
The nice thing is that installing addons is relatively simple as is deleting them. So you can try stuff out, and see if it works for you. I fit doesn't just remove and try another.
I'm like you, I stay away from the addon-packages and prefer the simple ones.

[jayjay]

I need a coordinates add-on. The more add-ons I look at, the less I know. Now I'm wondering if what I really need is a quest helper tied into Wowhead or Thottbot, with map notes functionality, because I keep logging in and out to research quests and locations, etc. I also want to mark good spots to return to, like for fishing.

Look for TomTom, which is a coordinates and waypoint mod. Also, look for LightHeaded, which imports Thottbot info and forum replies into your quest log.

As for making notes on the map, Cartographer lets you do that, but I'm not sure if it's been updated in the last few patches...it may have problems. There are other mapnotes mods, though.

[wonderlust]

I did see TomTom and LightHeaded, but do you recommend them from personal experience
because they're lightweight, tested, and stable?

[jayjay]

I did see TomTom and LightHeaded, but do you recommend them from personal experience
because they're lightweight, tested, and stable?

I've been using them for several months now. I haven't had any problems with either of them. Cartographer, I'd not really recommend...it throws errors constantly, and there are other mods that just have the map notes function (though I can't think of any offhand and can't look for them here at work). I only use it because without it my minimap has an unsettling habit of "jumping" slightly, probably because of some other mostly-forgotten mod in my interface folder...

[Raza]

I used to be a mod-head, but since restarting with TBDL I've only installed two, and one of them is Titan Panel. It includes coordinates display, among other things you might find handy (like gold display, empty bag slots, ammo remaining, etc). Very configurable as to what you want to display.

[Long Time Lurker]

I am not a fan of extensive mods, so I use only bare bones additions. For coordinates I use: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/240/

It's very simple. Coordinates under your picture, and at your cursor when in map mode.

I also use a quest mod which I made myself that adds the actual quest level and nothing else. Example log:
[6] Quest Name A
[8] Quest Name B
[10] Quest Name C

I know this is contained in larger software, but if anyone is interested in my low overhead version, let me know and I'll get it online.

[Long Time Lurker]

I may have linked an out of date version of mapcoords, I think this is a better link: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/3440/

[wonderlust]

Has anyone used the Wowecon UI Mod? Because Cairne is a new server, there aren't always comparable prices available at the AH. It seems like having ingame global and local price histories would be a big help in determining asking prices and reasonableness.

[jayjay]

Has anyone used the Wowecon UI Mod? Because Cairne is a new server, there aren't always comparable prices available at the AH. It seems like having ingame global and local price histories would be a big help in determining asking prices and reasonableness.

Auctioneer. You can scan your own server's auction house from time to time to get a database of prices. It's still a good idea to take a browse through for the object you want to sell, because even Auctioneer can be fooled by gold sellers selling rough stone for 100G.

[Long Time Lurker]

Auctioneer. You can scan your own server's auction house from time to time to get a database of prices. It's still a good idea to take a browse through for the object you want to sell, because even Auctioneer can be fooled by gold sellers selling rough stone for 100G.
Seconded. And it also comes with a handy tooltip program that tells you the price at which each item will sell at a vendor. Very handy for choosing between quest rewards you cannot or do not want to use.