Big Brother (rest of the season) (possible spoilers for each episode)

[jayjay]

Okay, I'm opening a Big Brother thread for the rest of the season. There's just not enough interest so far to do weekly threads on this season. There will probably be spoilers for each episode for the period in which that episode is not yet aired on the West Coast.

[jayjay]

All right, past the spoiler space mark now.

Tuesday, March 18

All I have to say about this episode at this point is this. Natalie, honey, if God cared enough about you in this trashy reality show to avenge you for this, you probably wouldn't have to be a bikini barista in the first place.

[twickster]

I had to watch "Dancing with the Stars." What happened?

[jayjay]

I had to watch "Dancing with the Stars." What happened?

James won the veto. He spent half the episode trying to figure out who cast the third vote to keep him out of the house. He had it down to either Adam or Matt. He believed it was Adam all the way up to when he spoke to Sharon about it. Natalie had been working Sharon on Matt's innocence and Adam's guilt on that vote for days, but Natalie can't lie to save her freakin' life, so Sharon knew she was lying and that Matt had actually cast the vote. She told James this. James took Sheila off and put Matt up. At the very end, Natalie diaried that she was SO mad, that God was going to avenge her for James breaking his word. Hence, my comment.

[jayjay]

Incidentally, we're time-shifting Survivor back to Thursday, so tomorrow I'm only going to be watching Big Brother. I'll join you all in the Survivor thread on Thursday night.

*Thank god for DVR...I can skip March Madness!*

[The Unkempt One]

After Matt's explosion last week after James was nominated for eviction, it was nice to see him humbled a little bit. I can't believe that Matt didn't try harder than he did during the veto competition. Did he really think that Natalie's deal with James was going to keep him safe once James found out that his was the third vote not to bring him back in the house?

If Matt is evicted, I wonder who the new "bad guy" in the house is going to be. Part of me would like to see Sheila evicted, but I think that a bigger part of me wants her to stay around and spread some more craziness. Hopefully she and Natalie will form an alliance and spread more crazy around the Big Brother house than we have seen in a long time!

[Eureka]

Incidentally, we're time-shifting Survivor back to Thursday, so tomorrow I'm only going to be watching Big Brother. I'll join you all in the Survivor thread on Thursday night.

*Thank god for DVR...I can skip March Madness!*

Thank you for mentioning this. It's hardly the end of the world if I miss Survivor, but I would have been much more mad if I'd missed it because I assumed I was busy* when it aired tomorrow night and not because I couldn't be bothered to fix my tv reception. (Last night, NCIS came in fine until mostly through, but Big Brother didn't show up at all).

*Tomorrow is Maundy Thursday, so I intend to go to church. I will probably be home before the episode would have ended, but might not be in the mood to watch.

[twickster]

James won the veto. He spent half the episode trying to figure out who cast the third vote to keep him out of the house. He had it down to either Adam or Matt. He believed it was Adam all the way up to when he spoke to Sharon about it. ....
What I don't get is why he'd think it was Adam as opposed to Matt. Or did he think he and Matt were still pals? Why would he think that when it was clear that Matt and Ryan had become an ambiguously gay duo?

Anyway, I'm starting to root for James. Good for him for making it back in and then just seizing control and kicking every ass in sight. Looking forward to tonight.

[phungi]

I have to think that James confronted Matt in the same manner as he did Adam, but CBS didn't/couldn't show it for some reason. It seemed strange to leave all this up to other people's opinions.

[want2know]

I think it's bye-bye Matty this week. He went to the well of lies one too many times, and Natalie won't be able to protect him any more. Guess the houseguests will have to take their chances with the wrath of God! :rolleyes:

I'm loving the "Bible Buddies" segments. One question, though. Between their language and their attitudes, none of the guys seem particularly religious. Are there no other books in the house? I can see them not having newspapers etc., but what about regular books?

Anyway, I love the discussions. Between Jacob "getting busy" with the housemaid and planning an expedition to search for the Ark of the Covenant, it's absolutely priceless!

I think Ryan is finally realizing what a couple of assholes his "boys" are. If he survives this eviction, look for him to strengthen his alliance with Joshuah and make peace with James.

Current final four prediction: Ryan, James, Sheila, Chelsia.

[jayjay]

I'm loving the "Bible Buddies" segments. One question, though. Between their language and their attitudes, none of the guys seem particularly religious. Are there no other books in the house? I can see them not having newspapers etc., but what about regular books?


It's been BB rules since at least Season 2 that the only reading material in the house is the Bible and the BB rulebook. And believe me, some of these people (not so much this season, but several seasons before this) become major rules lawyers...I'm surprised there haven't been more attempts to finesse the rules in the history of this show, actually.

It should be noted that they ALSO do not allow them to have things that they can write with. I was surprised they let Natalie do her nail polish portraits, actually. They've yelled at Amy Cruise (remember her?) for writing a note to Marcellus in lipstick on a napkin when she thought he was being voted out of the house.

[twickster]

Glad to say "buh-BYE" to Matty. I loved his interpersonal tone-deafness -- "These girls are supposed to feel sorry for me! What the fuck is wrong with them that they're not feeling sorry for me!" It's a sign of how obnoxious he is that even after he correctly pointed out that Ryan had done more actual damage than he had, he couldn't get off the hook.

There was no footage of Ryan talking to folks before the vote -- did he not do a lot of it, or was it just less entertaining than Matty twisiting in the wind?

[cainxinth]

What I'm dying to find out is Chelsia's reaction when she finds out James was a gay pornstar before entering the house.

[been lurking]

Matty was my favorite along with Chelsia, so I guess I'm rooting for her now. She is bad ass, yet totally playing under the radar. I think James is going to have a big target on him, he was already voted out once, what was it, 5-1? So, now the same people want him gone, only they think he is a dick.

This, of course, is all said in context of the game, since I don't actually know these people.

[twickster]

My question going into last night was -- is Adam really that stupid, or do his pop eyes make him look stupider than he actually is?

My answer -- no, he really is that stupid.

Baby food!?!?!?!?!?

[jayjay]

My question going into last night was -- is Adam really that stupid, or do his pop eyes make him look stupider than he actually is?

My answer -- no, he really is that stupid.

Baby food!?!?!?!?!?

Well, yes, when you have to have your beads read by Natalie*, of all people, because you're about to consider pissing off a person who's usually, at least, a solid vote for your alliance, then yes, you really are that stupid.



*She of the Crazy Eights Conspiracy Theory (8 curtains, 8 vases, 8 pillows, 8 cups, 8 plates, 8 chairs, 8 houseguests...it was starting to sound like a Sesame Street short), and the long, deep, silent conversations with the deer head. That girl's got boiling bunnies, hockey masks, and sledgehammers in her future...

Oh, may I also mention that NOW, because she's managed to predict that Evel Dick is going to come into the house and he actually IS, she's going to be convinced that all of her psychotic pattern-tracking is actually prophetic!

[twickster]

I'm going to be missing Tuesdays for the rest of the season -- who won POV last night? And did they use it?

[Liberal]

James won it and used it on himself. It was one of those drink-awful-cocktails competitions where the more concoctions you force down, the more chances you get. James drank all ten. (Evel Dick presided.) Joshua then talked the hapless Sharon into volunteering herself to replace James, and talked the hapless Adam into fulfilling her "wishes". That, of course, left Joshua safe. So it's Chelsia and Sharon.

[twickster]

Yanno, Joshuah shows a certain ability to play this game. As does James. Tonight should be interesting.

[been lurking]

James won POV and used it on himself.

The POV contest was a repeat from last year, where they had to drink gross concoctions, and the more they drank, the more croquet shots they got.

STUPID, STUPID, STUPID Sharon volunteered to be a pawn to get Chelsia out of the game after being talked into it by Josh, since it would have been him or her replacing James.

Josh was also saved by Ryan, who are in a secret alliance together. That will make for some intersting TV when it comes out. Josh is SUCH an a-hole, but I love the gameplay of that alliance and it makes me realize both guys have the wool pulled over the houses eyes as far as how they are playing the game.

[want2know]

What I'm dying to find out is Chelsia's reaction when she finds out James was a gay pornstar before entering the house.

OK, is that a whoosh or are you serious?

Anyhoo, looks like Chelsia will go tonight (there goes 1 of my final 4). In fact, I think it'll be a clean sweep. James has shown that he really doesn't give a rat's backside about Chelsia, and he'll join the rest of the house in evicting her.

If Josh wins HOH tonight, he'll go all the way to the end. He's playing the house better than just about anyone (except maybe Dr. Will), and I see him with Ryan at the end.

[twickster]

OK, is that a whoosh or are you serious?

Whoosh that he's done gay porn (he has), or that Chelsia doesn't know (which, if he's been making out with Joshuah, seems unlikely)?

[twickster]

Wow -- so what do you call the BB equivalent of suicide by cop?

[jayjay]

Wow -- so what do you call the BB equivalent of suicide by cop?

That was actually more the equivalent of delivering a mocking "last words" before you're marched out to the electric chair. She knew she was going already. Although I can hardly credit her for actually having "retained her dignity"...there are more than a couple of live feed scenes where I'm pretty sure Daddy wouldn't have been amused.

[jayjay]

Oh, and get ready for another week of invoking God to smite the Evil Ones, counting things that are eight, and talking to stuffed deer heads. I'm almost afraid to see what she's going to have in her HOH room.

[ShermanAter]

OK, is that a whoosh or are you serious?

Anyhoo, looks like Chelsia will go tonight (there goes 1 of my final 4). In fact, I think it'll be a clean sweep. James has shown that he really doesn't give a rat's backside about Chelsia, and he'll join the rest of the house in evicting her.

If Josh wins HOH tonight, he'll go all the way to the end. He's playing the house better than just about anyone (except maybe Dr. Will), and I see him with Ryan at the end.


James is gay porn is no woosh


I agree that it looks like Chelsia will take the walk of shame tonight. I wish they would have back doored Josh. It is going to be hard to get James out of there anytime soon it seems.

I don't know if this has been posted before, but if you'd like to see some revealing pictures and even a few video clips of the Big Brother crew here you go. There are links to previous seasons as well.

Link is safe. It goes to a page with clickable links

http://realitybbq.com/nudes/

[twickster]

James is gay porn is no woosh
...

And the pictures in the link make it clear why. My goodness.

[been lurking]

I freakin' loved Chelsia up until this week. She certainly like Nattie enough when they were making out topless in the pool with each other and anyone else who happened to be there.

It really annoys me when people are all "game" when they are the ones doing the eliminating but get all personal when their number comes up.

I guess I'm stuck rooting for Ryan & Nattie the rest of the way.

[twickster]

Nattie? How can you possibly root for anyone that annoying?

[The Controvert]

Boobies tend to nullify personality flaws.

[twickster]

:rolleyes:

[been lurking]

It isn't the boobies, its that I hate her the least.

[phungi]

(shudder) the nice boobage left the house on Wed night.

My take on the remaining houseguests:

Natalie is a kook. A kook who talks to god when convenient. She clearly shows that plastic surgery cannot make up for failure to pay attention in school... your eyes may wander but you still hear what she blathers about.

Matt is a parody of the worst that Philly/Cherry Hill NJ have to offer. He isn't as stupid as they make him look at times, but we are dealing with more than a case of mush-mouth. He actually could win this, but I can't root for him.

Sheila is a former Penthouse Pet with serious attention/esteem/confidence issues. She has been battling her real self which came out Day 1.

Josh lost me when he went off on Amanda, and continues to keep me away when he continuously talks about how great he is. I predict that he does not last the entire season, as he will snap his spine attempting to self-fellate.

James is not long for the house. He is an enigma, as he is playing the game very well at times, but people want him out.

Sharon is a chameleon and she made out with Matt, for there isn't enough alcohol in the world to explain that error.

Ryan is the only "salvageable" person left. He really doesn't have a bad side, and is smart enough to have a secret alliance with Josh. I hope he wins.

[jayjay]

You know, Sheila goes on and on about how ugly and weird Adam is...the woman lived with Bob Guccione for ten years. She dated 40-year-old Scott Baio. She wasn't apparently that picky outside the house, why did she suddenly start being picky inside the house?

[twickster]

Matt is a parody of the worst that Philly/Cherry Hill NJ have to offer. He isn't as stupid as they make him look at times, but we are dealing with more than a case of mush-mouth. He actually could win this, but I can't root for him.
I believe you mean Adam.

[Liberal]

What a mess. Natalie, with the brain of Lucy Ricardo on crack, is now HOH and James is apparently Matting her — meaning that he is blowing his man-breath on her face, captivating her in a love-spell. Dude knows how to work it. He and Josh are up, but he had a big backyard fight with Sheila, and now Sheila is all drama queen and wants to be put up so she can go home. Nat tells James that if he wins POV, they'll have to talk and maybe she'll grant Sheila's wish. So there we are. Nat wins HOH and will be sending home an ally all because a boy is paying attention to her. Matt who?

[The Controvert]

You know, Sheila goes on and on about how ugly and weird Adam is...the woman lived with Bob Guccione for ten years. She dated 40-year-old Scott Baio. She wasn't apparently that picky outside the house, why did she suddenly start being picky inside the house?Older ex-playmates tend to be attracted to men of fame and fortune, in lieu of good looks or personality. Adam is 0 for 4 in those departments, sadly.

[ShermanAter]

Natalie is an airhead no doubt...She did predict Evil Dicks return out of her ass though....

wait that didn't come out right

[phungi]

I believe you mean Adam.

Yes, absolutely!

[Eureka]

jayjay,

You are now the latest Doper to make an appearance in my dreams. I did not post this in this thread as the best way to get your attention. I posted it in this thread because in my dream, I was on Big Brother, and you were my electronic helper.

In the dream, CBS decided that they needed to do something to shake up this season, so they added me to the hamsters living in the house. What exactly a shy plump, dumpy, 30-something, female adds to the mix, I'm not sure, but they added me. And to level the playing field, I got to communicate electronically in text with jayjay, so that I'd have his insights into telling my fellow hamsters apart, and remembering who betrayed whom, etc.

I went on to win 3 competitions in a row. One I don't remember, one was a simply classic game of Truth or Dare which I won when one of the female hamsters refused to make out with me on camera. (She was the person being Dared, I was just the unfortunate victim, remniscent of a real life incident where I watched part of a game of Truth or Dare and ended up being kissed on the cheek by a guy everyone knew had a crush on me. That was bad enough, what was worse was when he told me that a particular song from the 60's was "our song" because he kissed me one summer night. Um, yeah, that's a romantic memory. )

The next competition involved searching for small plastic Easter eggs which had candy--SweetTart or Smartie type candy--with the words No or Yes written on it. I was the only one who could be bothered to search, and so I found the egg with yes in it, and got to choose between a guarenteed 10% share of first place and it's associated prize money (don't ask me how one can have a share of first place, but that was part of the prize) or the opportunity to double the first place prize money if and only if I actually won first place. I took the ten percent, and was congratulated for winning my third competition in a row.

At this point, the door in the basement opened, and another player climbed up the stairwell that didn't have any stairs, and was introduced as Cindy. Cindy was an attractive natural strawberry blonde beauty, who had appeared on the first couple of episodes of Big Brother before developing the Flu and being removed. She was now being returned to the show, to further the shake things up theme.

At approximately this point, I started questioning why and how exactly Big Brother had found me to add me to the cast, and soon after I woke up.

[Liberal]

James won POV.

[jayjay]

jayjay,

You are now the latest Doper to make an appearance in my dreams. I did not post this in this thread as the best way to get your attention. I posted it in this thread because in my dream, I was on Big Brother, and you were my electronic helper.

That's freaky. But COOL! Now I want to be someone's electronic helper, like a giant Ziggy...

[The Unkempt One]

James won POV.

That is insane! What is that, three POV victories in a row for James? It seems like no one will ever be able to get rid of him.

[jayjay]

That is insane! What is that, three POV victories in a row for James? It seems like no one will ever be able to get rid of him.

He's well on his way to tying Janelle and Dani D's shared record of 5 veto wins in a season.

[twickster]

Okay -- so who's on the block?

[jayjay]

Okay -- so who's on the block?

Josh and Sharon. As things stand right now, Sharon SHOULD be going. Josh made a deal with Natalie, with Ryan supporting, that if he could get 2 people to vote for Sharon, forcing a tie, that Natalie would break the tie to evict Sharon. If things go as planned, James and Ryan will vote for Sharon, Adam and Sheila will vote for Josh, and Natalie will break the tie.

IF things go as planned. A plan in that house is like an ice cube on top of a hibachi...

You're really not watching? Probably a wise move...there were many tears in last night's episode...all cried by James and Josh. There was also much teenyweenybeekeenee-wearing by James. Much. Ew.

[twickster]

You're really not watching? Probably a wise move.
Just on Tuesday, when it's in conflict with the Dancing with the Stars results show.

[Liberal]

The parallel editing, with Sheila extoling Josh's virtues to Sharon in the bathroom (a camera view we seldom get to see) while Josh campaigns against her in the kitchen and HOH room, was pretty damn good. Hitchcock would have been proud.

Incidentally, in the tears litany don't forget Sharon's.

ETA:

It was a pretty good scene, too, where Josh is whimpering in the supply room after having been whimpering for hours, when suddenly he realizes, "Hey. Why should I be the one to go home?" And then he gets to work.

[jayjay]

ETA:

It was a pretty good scene, too, where Josh is whimpering in the supply room after having been whimpering for hours, when suddenly he realizes, "Hey. Why should I be the one to go home?" And then he gets to work.

I have serious doubts that those parallel discussions actually took place simultaneously.

[Liberal]

You could be right, jayjay. I've stopped watching the After Dark.

[jayjay]

You could be right, jayjay. I've stopped watching the After Dark.

Oh, I don't have any inside information. It just seems too perfect for those two scenes to have happened simultaneously. And we know the BB editors are dirty cheaters already.

[twickster]

Oh, I don't have any inside information. It just seems too perfect for those two scenes to have happened simultaneously. And we know the BB editors are dirty cheaters already.
Well thank god -- imagine how tedious it would be watching these poor idiots if there weren't someone creating some story lines.

[twickster]

Okay, that was fairly entertaining.

ETA -- and his exit speech -- WTF?

[twickster]

Who won HOH?

[jayjay]

Who won HOH?

Sheila. This should be entertaining, since Sheila's likely to nominate based on who looked at her funny that morning or what phase the moon is in. However, as of right now, she made a deal with Natalie so Natalie would drop out. Whether Sheila holds to that deal or not (if she's smart, not) remains to be seen.

[Liberal]

If Natalie wins this thing, I'll never watch Big Brother again.

[twickster]

Ya think Natalie had plastic surgery on her eyes when she had her boobs done? That would explain the overwide, startled expression she sports.

Reminds me of Johnny Depp in Ed Wood.

[jayjay]

If Natalie wins this thing, I'll never watch Big Brother again.

Yep. Ryan's an idiot. He should have voted to keep James and convinced Sheila to do the same to save Adam, because Adam's who Nat wants out next. If Sheila caves to Natalie like Adam and Ryan have, the boys can wave goodbye because Nat's gonna bulldoze them.

[jayjay]

Ya think Natalie had plastic surgery on her eyes when she had her boobs done? That would explain the overwide, startled expression she sports.

Reminds me of Johnny Depp in Ed Wood.

I think Natalie has that surprised look all the time because she's been going Jack Nicholson in The Shining for the last month, counting things again and again and again and again. If she had a typewriter there'd be a sheet of paper in it saying "All work and no play makes Nat a dull girl". The woman is WHACK by this point.

[twickster]

I did like the peeks into the jury house last night. Heh. Matty and Chesia and Joshuah. Heh.

[jayjay]

I did like the peeks into the jury house last night. Heh. Matty and Chesia and Joshuah. Heh.

Yeah, I'm kind of glad that all that "I'm going to sleep with your MATTY in Jury House!" from Chelsia was all just poking at Natalie. Not that Matt would've minded if she did, apparently...Horndog had her in the house all of about a minute before the come-ons started.

(Not that I think the entrances they show are the actual entrances...I'm fairly certain they block and stage it all for filming later.)

[jayjay]

What would Jesus do, Natalie?

Well, for one thing, he wouldn't go on Big Brother. So you're about 2 months too late to actually emulate your professed savior.

Sharon's got the right of Natalie...the girl talks religion like she only discovered the existence of a Bible after she'd been in the BB house for a month. She apparently has no real idea what constitutes actual Christian theology or philosophy, preferring window-sign platitudes to actually thinking things through from a Christian perspective. Natalie is the worst kind of pseudo-Christian, the kind who filters Jesus through their own unaltered worldview instead of filtering that worldview through Jesus.

[twickster]

Natalie is the worst kind of pseudo-Christian, the kind who filters Jesus through their own unaltered worldview instead of filtering that worldview through Jesus.
Wow, that is very true.

Hope Sheila's plan works -- she's the last of the people I really can't stand left in the house.

Who'da thunk Sheila and Adam would make it this far?

[want2know]

What would Jesus do, Natalie?

Well, for one thing, he wouldn't go on Big Brother. So you're about 2 months too late to actually emulate your professed savior.

Sharon's got the right of Natalie...the girl talks religion like she only discovered the existence of a Bible after she'd been in the BB house for a month. She apparently has no real idea what constitutes actual Christian theology or philosophy, preferring window-sign platitudes to actually thinking things through from a Christian perspective. Natalie is the worst kind of pseudo-Christian, the kind who filters Jesus through their own unaltered worldview instead of filtering that worldview through Jesus.
Agreed. IANAC; in fact, I've gotten into the habit over the past few seasons of rooting against "born-agains" in the house. That being said, I respect Sharon a heckuva lot more than "Team OhChrist!" and would rather see her win than those wannabes. At least she's sincere about her beliefs.

Either Adam or Sharon has to win POV tonight. If they don't get Natalie out of the house now, she'll be there to the end.

And the answer to your "WWJD" question, Nattie? He'd vote to evict your lying, hypocritical ass!

[jayjay]

Either Adam or Sharon has to win POV tonight. If they don't get Natalie out of the house now, she'll be there to the end.

Don't read if you don't want to know...

Chill...it all turns out okay.

[Yeeter]

Don't read if you don't want to know...

Chill...it all turns out okay.

Ha! I don't know why I looked.

Outside of Sharon, this whole group of people is annoying to the nth degree. And that's not just a regional bias. :)

[Liberal]

Jayjay, you're like forty kinds of cool. :cool:

[jayjay]

Jayjay, you're like forty kinds of cool. :cool:

Thanks! :D

For the spoiler or for the post about Nat's "Christianity"? Or just my awesomeness in general, which, while obvious in person, usually isn't picked up as much online? :cool:

[Liberal]

All that. And more. :) I just like that you have a good heart. I think we value the same things.

[twickster]

I'm thinking I'll watch this instead of the Clinton/Obama debate tonight. Does that make me a bad person?

[jayjay]

All that. And more. :) I just like that you have a good heart. I think we value the same things.

Thank you. :) Even if we do come at those things from different directions politically. :D

[Hampshire]

Y'know who Natalie reminds me of?

One of Cheri Oteri's deranged characters from SNL.

[want2know]

Y'know who Natalie reminds me of?

One of Cheri Oteri's deranged characters from SNL.

Oh, wow, you're right! Sort of a cross between her crazy alcoholic and the co-host of Morning Latte !

I loved the POV competition with the houseguests' heads on Evel Dick's body. Of course, ED is my favorite houseguest of all time (along with Chilltown), so I'm kinda biased. And now that Sheila has revealed that her ideal man would be a cross between ED and Dr. Will, I'm officially pulling for her to win it all!

[jayjay]

BULLSHIT!

Well, obviously Ryan's going to win the whole thing. I can see from that bullshit answer to that last HOH question that Ryan is the producers' pick to win, so there's probably going to be blatant manipulation with the jury.

That question was bullshit. Who thinks about the fucking pets when the questions are supposed to be about the houseguests? The producers didn't want Sharon to win. Period.

I may be done with this stupid show.

[The Controvert]

Wasn't the episode live? If so, I find it hard to believe your allegations. They'd have to manipulate the answer on the fly and also change the graphic on the screen.

[jayjay]

Wasn't the episode live? If so, I find it hard to believe your allegations. They'd have to manipulate the answer on the fly and also change the graphic on the screen.

It's not that hard to do, really. And there's so much producer manipulation going on behind the scenes already that the general public never sees that I don't find it a stretch at all.

[twickster]

I wasn't paying 100% attention: what was the tiebreaker question?

[Liberal]

Yeah, that was the boner question of the ages. It sounded like one Chenbot would have concocted. Stupid stupid stupid. I'm done with it too.

[randwill]

I'm confused. How does the stupid question relate to the producers manipulating things so Ryan will win?

[jayjay]

I wasn't paying 100% attention: what was the tiebreaker question?

How long the four houseguests stayed in the glass boxes for this past HoH competition. I wasn't paying a lot of attention to the question itself since I was cursing a blue cloud over the stupid goddamn guinea pig bullshit, so I'm not clear whether they specified that the answer was to be cumulative or concurrent. Sharon's answer was approximately correct for concurrent time (about 3 hours), but Ryan's was over that but under cumulative time (500-some minutes).

If you listen to the live feeds (or read transcripts), there's a LOT of Diary Room manipulation going on. They pressure houseguests to vote certain ways, they pressure heads of household to nominate certain people, they kind of manipulate houseguests' perceptions of certain events or incidents by asking leading questions to elicit certain reactions so they have good footage. They reshoot some competitions, which they never tell you about. There's some speculation that there was some Diary Room dealmaking to get a split vote last night. Don't know if that involved the granting of the HoH or not...

It would have been negligently easy to mess with the results last night. All they had to do was have two possible "right" answers for the last regular question and switch them out depending on which one Sharon chose. The risk for them was that Ryan would choose the same, but no plan is perfect, right? And there was plenty of time with that LONG hesitation to grab the correct cue card for the Chenbot to read.

Because, seriously, that question was pure unadulterated crap. That's the kind of question that NOBODY who wasn't an idiot would have ever gotten. The freakin' GUINEA PIGS constitute a pre-show couple?!

[Eureka]

The tie-breaker question was how many combined minutes did all the houseguests stay in their little glass houses in the glass house challenge.

But the question jayjay objects to (I think) was before that, setting up the tie, about whether there was a third pre-existing relationship still in the house, to which the answer was fact, but the relationship is that of the hamsters, not houseguests.

[twickster]

Yeah, the guinea pigs question was freaking bogus.

And I do remember the glass-box question, and it was clear (to me anyway) that they were asking for a cumulative answer -- I was quite WTF on Sharon's answer.

Now, as to the other stuff, I don't know -- but I'd be shocked, shocked to learn that there was any trifling with reality in a reality show.

[The Controvert]

Y'all seem awfully invested in a reality show. Do you subscribe to the extra for-pay content or something? As for Sharon's answer, she dropped first due to a hurt back. Since the question has a built-in penalty for going over, it is conceivable she would guess low.

Ryan had to guess Fact on the last question, since that's the only way to force a tie-break. As for why the producers made a question with a trick answer, they want paranoia in the house. All of the preceding questions were correctly answered "Fiction", so the last one would have been lame to be fiction as well. And insinuating an extra relationship stirs the pot nicely, with the added bonus of a smug Chen-bot reveal at the finale.

As for Natalie, she had every opportunity to win the last HoH for herself, but chose to trust Sheila and give her a gift. That would have given her an advantage should she make it to the end, since she would get Sheila's vote. She was also making a play for Sharon's vote with the girl power argument.

But the critical mistake was giving up the HoH powers, and Natalie paid dearly for that.

As such, Ryan and Adam were correct to eliminate Natalie as a threat at a time when she could not hold it against them (Sheila cast the decisive vote and one of the boys can always claim they "had her back" in the split vote).

Thus far, everybody has been playing to advance themselves, so why would you believe there is an ulterior motive?

[jayjay]

Where does an ulterior motive come in? Yes, the houseguests are all playing for themselves, and the producers want good tv. Nobody's motives here are ulterior...they're all right out in the open.

That last non-tiebreaker question was just so full of crap, though...goddamn Team Oh Christ...

[cainxinth]

My first reaction to the guinea pig question was, bullshit. It was either the producers, a. manipulating the show in favor of Ryan, b. trying to sow seeds of doubt in the players, c. just being really stupid.

I find all three possibilities equally likely.

[Dante]

You'd think that with all the diary room tampering going on, they'd at least clue Natalie into the fact that she has a microphone so she DOESN'T HAVE TO YELL!

Also, I can't wait to see her go all Fatal Attraction on Matt in the Jury House. My prediction is that he'll greet her with a firm handshake and a "My, you've put on a few pounds!".

[phungi]

I only wish someone would've told Natty "it's God's will" after the eviction.

The Hamsters question was totally out of place, yet I figured Ryan was taking a chance to catch up. Sharon blew the final question. I said "400" while watching and was still 100+ minutes off.

[randwill]

Those math tie-breaking questions are meaningless anyway. Julie never gives them enough time (or what would be enough time for me) to come up with a well considered answer. Or even a semi-well considered answer. It's more lucky guessing than any kind of measure of observational or memory skill. She might as well say, "I'm thinking of a number, whoever gets closer..."

[stanger]

I haven't followed the live feeds or boards, but I did notice some re-shooting going on.

On one episode, they showed a competition where the houseguests had to guess numbers about various things without going over. It showed a couple of them giving their answers and showing their chalkboards to the camera. It looked to be sometime past noon juding from the shadows.

The following week, while showing clips from the earlier show, they showed the same housequests giving the same amswers, but this time the sun was much farther down and everyone had shadows covering them.

For such simple shots, why would they re-stage that and show different versions of it?

[twickster]

I can handle a little product placement, but using half the freaking episode to promote a movie seems a bit much. 'Twas fun watching them bash each other over the head, though.

So -- physical or mental POV competition, do you think?

[jayjay]

I can handle a little product placement, but using half the freaking episode to promote a movie seems a bit much. 'Twas fun watching them bash each other over the head, though.

The SECOND film this season, at that. And both of them were Vegas-based, too. And even at that, it seems like the episode ended early. On my VCR clock, it was 8:53 when they went to last commercial spots before credits...that seems at least a couple of minutes early.

So -- physical or mental POV competition, do you think?

Since I know who won it, I have no choice but to believe it's physical...

[twickster]

The SECOND film this season, at that. And both of them were Vegas-based, too.

Yeah, I'd noticed that too. The first one didn't eat up quite as much of the episode, though.

I don't want to know who won POV, though .... with your hint, there's still some ambiguity (strength vs. endurance -- no, don't tell me which! :p )

[jayjay]

I don't want to know who won POV, though .... with your hint, there's still some ambiguity (strength vs. endurance -- no, don't tell me which! :p )

Yeah, that's why I went ahead and posted it. It's still sufficiently ambiguous, given that 3/4 of the current houseguests couldn't win a mental competition if they were given 50 bonus points and an answer key.

[randwill]

The movie promotion was way too heavy-handed. Plus the women's screaming was very annoying. A new movie (WOOOOOOOOOOOO!) starring Ashton Kutcher (WOOOOOOOOOOO!) which takes place in Las Vegas (WOOOOOOOOOOO!) will be (WOOOOOOOOOOOO!) the reward (WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!) for the winners of the compe- (WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!) tition! (WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!) I know they are told to do this (I hope this isn't their normal behavior) but it was just too much over too little.

[Yeeter]

Yeah, that's why I went ahead and posted it. It's still sufficiently ambiguous, given that 3/4 of the current houseguests couldn't win a mental competition if they were given 50 bonus points and an answer key.

Heh. Speaking of this (you all may have already touched on this previously), was anybody else REALLY SURPRISED a couple of weeks back when they interviewed Adam's family and they carried on and on about how smart he is?

Still rooting for Sharon, but I doubt she'll make it.

[twickster]

Wait, I'm confused. It's Tuesday, right? (Yeah, election day, that makes it Tuesday.) Eviction is usually Wednesday, right?

(seriously, I'm so fried tonight I'm not sure of either of those premises.)

[jayjay]

Wait, I'm confused. It's Tuesday, right? (Yeah, election day, that makes it Tuesday.) Eviction is usually Wednesday, right?

(seriously, I'm so fried tonight I'm not sure of either of those premises.)

This is the final week. They need to double up on the evictions to be able to have the finale Sunday night.

Eviction tonight (this was NOT a live show...Sharon's been gone since yesterday and they've already done two of the HoH competitions). Final HoH competition tomorrow, eviction tomorrow, live show. Jury questions and final vote, live show, Sunday.

[twickster]

Okay, cool. As I said, I was fairly out of it last night so I wasn't sure whether my nights were wrong, my understanding of what usually happens on a given night was wrong, or what.

Pls. spoiler anything that hasn't been shown on network TV today -- I'm looking forward to this evening's show.

[Eureka]

Wait, I'm confused. It's Tuesday, right? (Yeah, election day, that makes it Tuesday.) Eviction is usually Wednesday, right?

(seriously, I'm so fried tonight I'm not sure of either of those premises.)

I had the same reaction. My tv reception is spotty, but since I discovered this magic switch on the antenna, my picture quality has improved enormously. But, my sound quality sucked. I coped with it by moving to a point in the room where it didn't suck for most of NCIS, but didn't feel like doing so for Big Brother--except during the POV challenge. But I left the TV on, and suddenly realized that it sure looked like they were doing a final HOH endurance type competition--which didn't compute. Wait--when does the season end? (Thank you jayjay for answering this question already).

[twickster]

I'll go out on a limb here and predict Ryan as the final winner.


Loved the scenes with Matt ducking Natalie last night. Funny shit. Ya shouldn't've let her give you the blow job, dude ....

[randwill]

That bad TV reception some of you are suffering with will be a thing of the past by this time next year.

[jayjay]

Loved the scenes with Matt ducking Natalie last night. Funny shit. Ya shouldn't've let her give you the blow job, dude ....

Blow jobS...there were at least 2 and possibly 4.

[twickster]

Okay -- the tackiness of accepting fellatio then ducking the fellater increases exponentially with each successive blowjob -- so that makes him (**does math**) 8 times as much of a jerk as I thought he was.

[cainxinth]

He's behaving immaturely for certain, but I can kind of sympathize with him. He met a girl he thought he liked, things got physical, and then found out she was a numerology crazed, Jesus freak, who is obsessed with him. I can imagine wanting to keep my distance also.

That said, he knew he was likely to be stuck in close proximity with this chick for a long time, so he probably should have been more careful about letting her on too hard.

[phungi]

...so he probably should have been more careful about letting her on too hard.or letting her onto his hard on...

[jayjay]

or letting her onto his hard on...

Seriously. I mean, if your usual M.O. is to love 'em and leave 'em, I'd hope you'd realize that being stuck in the same venue with the woman you "loved" for several months kind of precludes the "leave" part...

[twickster]

Adam? Wow. And by a 6-1 vote.

[jayjay]

Adam? Wow. And by a 6-1 vote.

One thing you can't necessarily fault Joshuah for...he stays loyal to the alliances he makes.

And I seriously believe there was a factor of "Oh my god, I can't let that bitch Jen have any of this money...must vote for Adam!"

PPS: So did anyone actually expect anyone but James to win the Rupert Special Consideration Prize?

[DfrntBreign]

One thing you can't necessarily fault Joshuah for...he stays loyal to the alliances he makes.

And I seriously believe there was a factor of "Oh my god, I can't let that bitch Jen have any of this money...must vote for Adam!"

PPS: So did anyone actually expect anyone but James to win the Rupert Special Consideration Prize?
It looked like maybe Sheila thought Sheila was going to win it (because She's A MOTHER and really, really, really needs it for her son and she deserves it for all she's been through that no one else can uderstand, you just don't treat wymmyn like that and someone should have been her hero and she was so loyal and such a strong, independant woman and....)

[phungi]

James looked 100% bored to death the entire re-cap show, until he won the cash.

[twickster]

Well, in James's defense, it was a pretty boring show.

[want2know]

Wow, I can't believe the big doofus actually won! And 6-1, no less!

As far as their criteria for awarding the big prize, this has to be the worst jury in BB history! Yes, Ryan screwed over some people in the house, but what winner hasn't? Fer chrissakes, Evel Dick alienated everyone in the house, but the jury still appreciated his game play. Ditto Will and Boogie. Ryan controlled the house from the moment he was rescued from eviction and played a great game, IMHO.

Part of me wanted to see Sheila win the 25K--right up until her vote was revealed. She did nothing but piss and moan about how Adam screwed her and sold her out, and then she votes for the big dumbbell to win! Hey, Sheil, if you were any good at competitions, you might have had a chance!

I did feel a little bad for her when JulieBot announced that she finished second, though. But maybe if she hadn't played the "single mom" card to death she might have had a chance.

Oh, well. See you all in July!