View Full Version : Judge's final words to Ted Bundy after sentencing...what?!?!
Argent Towers
04-04-2008, 08:57 PM
According to Wikipedia, this is what the judge said to Ted Bundy at the conclusion of his trial:
"It is ordered that you be put to death by a current of electricity, that current be passed through your body until you are dead. Take care of yourself, young man. I say that to you sincerely; take care of yourself, please. It is an utter tragedy for this court to see such a total waste of humanity as I've experienced in this courtroom. You're a bright young man. You'd have made a good lawyer, and I would have loved to have you practice in front of me, but you went another way, partner. Take care of yourself. I don't feel any animosity toward you. I want you to know that. Once again, take care of yourself."
"Take care of yourself?" He said it not once but four times. Why would a judge tell a man who was going to be executed to "take care of himself?"
"I don't feel any animosity toward you?" What kind of judge would publicly say that to someone who had just been convicted of the cold-blooded murder of a bunch of young women?
WF Tomba
04-04-2008, 09:06 PM
"I don't feel any animosity toward you?" What kind of judge would publicly say that to someone who had just been convicted of the cold-blooded murder of a bunch of young women?
An honest one?
I don't get what you're on about. Would you have preferred him to say "I can't wait to see you fry"?
Argent Towers
04-04-2008, 09:08 PM
I mean, it's just kind of hard for me to imagine anyone, let alone a judge, not feeling animosity towards Ted Bundy. Maybe he just came off as an extremely nice, charming guy during the trial.
WF Tomba
04-04-2008, 09:10 PM
I mean, it's just kind of hard for me to imagine anyone, let alone a judge, not feeling animosity towards Ted Bundy. Maybe he just came off as an extremely nice, charming guy during the trial.
From what I've read, he came off as a nice, charming guy to everyone. That's part of what enabled him to commit his crimes.
Diogenes the Cynic
04-04-2008, 09:11 PM
I suspect "take care of yourself" might have been a coded way to say "get right with God." I don't know what else it could have meant. The whole thing sounds like it has a religious subtext to me. Like, "I'm trying not to hate you, but you're going to fry so you better get out the sack cloth and ashes and start doing some serious fucking praying."
That would be my guess anyway.
samclem
04-04-2008, 09:11 PM
Is there a General Question here?
Argent Towers
04-04-2008, 09:12 PM
I'm not sure where else to put it. I guess if there is a question, it's, "why did the judge in that case speak so kindly to a convicted mass murderer."
WF Tomba
04-04-2008, 09:18 PM
I suspect "take care of yourself" might have been a coded way to say "get right with God." I don't know what else it could have meant. The whole thing sounds like it has a religious subtext to me. Like, "I'm trying not to hate you, but you're going to fry so you better get out the sack cloth and ashes and start doing some serious fucking praying."
That would be my guess anyway.
Yeah, I was thinking that. "Take care of yourself before the seat of judgment." On the whole, the judge's comments sound like those of a man who is dismayed that such a seemingly intelligent, charming man could have gone so wrong. It's at odds with today's popular view of serial killers as being innately, irredeemably bad, but I can understand what the judge meant.
Qadgop the Mercotan
04-04-2008, 10:06 PM
I'm not sure where else to put it. I guess if there is a question, it's, "why did the judge in that case speak so kindly to a convicted mass murderer."
There's at least one religion I know of which says something like "hate the sin, not the sinner". Perhaps the judge was a member of that religion.
Such a philosophy is probably a good one for a judge, who needs to be impartial.
But I wouldn't expect widespread acceptance of that philosophy by the population as a whole in the US, certainly.
Mr. Slant
04-04-2008, 10:35 PM
I've got a cite for a judge who strongly believes in not judging people:
http://www.spiritualityandcommunity.com/magazine/iss0107/judgenot.pdf
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He's retired now, but I knew him when he was on the bench, and that element of his philosophy has not changed.
As to the OP's question, I'm with the 'telling him to get right with God' crowd. I suspect the only GQ way to answer this would be to dig up record of a conversation on the topic that someone had with the judge. Unfortunately, most judges tend not to have those discussions....
Will Repair
04-04-2008, 11:39 PM
Take care of yourself.
You'd have made a good lawyer
It is ordered that you be put to death by a current of electricityNeed a judge say more?
thelurkinghorror
04-04-2008, 11:40 PM
Maybe he recently saw the trailer to Shocker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shocker_%28film%29), and wanted to make sure that Bundy knew the judge wasn't condemning him because he wanted to.
Reno Nevada
04-05-2008, 07:32 AM
You are all condemned, for crimes against king and kingdom, to hang... to dangle until you are but dead, to be then cut down still alive, to have your entrails drawn out and thrust into your own mouths, to be further hanged, then quartered like the carcasses of beef you are. You number five hundred, but even if you were five thousand, the execution of this sentence would be just before God Almighty... and may He have mercy upon your souls.
See, this is the kind of fair, unbiased pronouncements we look for from our leading jurists.
guizot
04-05-2008, 08:54 AM
Need a judge say more?Every judge is a lawyer who got ambitious.
jimmmy
04-05-2008, 08:59 AM
Well since we are speculating …. if you have ever been a jury member in a Trial for a serious crime you probably had the guy who said this:
Look I know we see by the preponderance of the evidence he did this, I know what we swore to do, but this is more responsibility than I want ... we are potentially sentencing him to Death, Life, 40 years etc. can we run the evidence again?
Sometimes there are tears from jurors, even when they agree evidence shows guy is clearly a kidnapper or killer or whatever – when you come to the conclusion.
I think you are reading a judge who is delivering the Death Penalty as his legal judgment deems appropriate but he takes it (suitably) very seriously and as a human he isn’t entirely comfortable with it (or more likely isn’t relishing & delighting in being the one to actually do it).
toadspittle
04-05-2008, 11:51 AM
For me, the disconnect really is in the "take care of yourself," as if he has any time to take care of himself. Like, "You better straighten up and fly right, or else something bad might happen to you one of these days!"
Um, you just sentenced him to death, judge. something bad IS going to happen to him. Your warnings are too late.
Of course, the judge also probably knew how LONG it would take to carry out a death sentence--around 10 years. So that's a good piece of your life to do SOMETHING with, whether it's in prison or not.
Annie-Xmas
04-05-2008, 11:57 AM
Ted Bundy did show a very nice, personable face to the public. He was very nice to people he knew. Only once during his trial did he get angry, and the change that came over him was unbelievable. (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/bundy/14.html)
Read Ann Rule's The Stranger Beside Me for details.
aldiboronti
04-05-2008, 12:01 PM
Need a judge say more?
:D:D:D
That's a screen spatterer!
Of course, the judge also probably knew how LONG it would take to carry out a death sentence--around 10 years. So that's a good piece of your life to do SOMETHING with, whether it's in prison or not.That's my take on it. I'm an advocate of the death penalty but I would never be happy about convicting someone to death. I doubt that the judge was delighted with the sentence, and in some respects, he could evenrespect Bundy's knowledge and ability in a courtroom.
KneadToKnow
04-05-2008, 02:19 PM
Read Ann Rule's The Stranger Beside Me for details.
Absolutely awesome book. Rule has parlayed being a personal acquaintance of Bundy's into quite a career. More power to her.
Annie-Xmas
04-05-2008, 03:10 PM
Absolutely awesome book. Rule has parlayed being a personal acquaintance of Bundy's into quite a career. More power to her.
Anne Rule had written stories for detective magazines before she met Ted Bundy. When she got a contract to begin writing a book about the murders of several young women that were thought to be the work of a mass murderer (the concept of "serial killer" had not been invented yet), there were no suspects in the case. The fact that she was a friend of the killer had nothing to do with her getting the contract.
A lot of people think she only got the contract because she knew Bundy. That simply was not the case.
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