Tired of putting up with female shit

[Occam]

God Dammit! WOMEN!

I'd don't know if this anger should be directed at the females or males for putting up with females. And I do mean putting up with. That's the whole problem, name something MAN hasn't changed in his enviornment to make it more suiting to his needs....except for women. And we don't try to change them because we want sex. PEOPLE this is so fucking sad! No matter what place on earth you go to for every absolutly 'perfect' woman you see there is a man somewhere who is tired of putting up with her shit. And the worst fucking installment of this whole thing is we sway to their flux of emotional desires. Nobody is in control because not even women know what the fuck they are doing. They don't know why they need 20 pairs of black shoes. Or MUST have the toilet seat down. If it's so friggin' easy to put the seat down when I'm done then it's just as friggin' easy for you to put it down before you use it. I live with two of 'em and they fight and make up daily! They are the best of friends and the worst of enemies. What the hell is that? Emotions are over rated. Let us use a car analogy for life. Emotions don't tell you where you are, they don't tell you how fast your going, they don't tell you where the fuzz is, they arn't even the radio station. Emotions are the automotive equivalent to the wood beed cover on your seat...your comfortable but your never sure you couldn't be more comfortable if you just moved a little to the left or right.

[Boris B]

Was there a precipitating event to all of this? I mean, one particular thing that got you all sick and tired? What's your relationship to the women you live with? I'm just curious, really.

[Mullinator]

Hey Occam, feel free to use your razor in broad sweeping motions near exposed veins.

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I got a lot of energy ready to be wasted on somebody - Mookie Wilson

[UncleBeer]

Longrange weather forecast for the week ending 10/16/99. 100% chance of a shitstorm. Take cover immediately in any convenient bunker. This has been an emergency weather update from the TV11 StormTracker team. We now return to your scheduled programming.

[WallyM7]

Yeah, those women.

Occam, have you been skipping your medication?

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If you're hot, that's good.
If you're cool, that's good.

I don't get it.

[kellibelli]

Unclebeer, you get funnier every time I read you!

Occam, I deeply recommend you get in a small arena, I mean room, with CATwoman, I think you will find her a good debater and I bet she will sympathize a great deal with your position.

snicker...

Dear, if you're that offended by female shit, then you SHOULD be putting the lid down.

[ChiefScott]

Sounds to me as if someone isn't getting any.

[Ukulele Ike]

Occam, I'll take your two women off your hands. I kinda like women.

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Uke

[Jodi]

Sounds like Occam got a "wood beed" stuck way up his ass.

[kknick34]

Yeah women, Can't shootem, can't get em to dress up in scimpy nazi uniforms

[Konrad]

...and beat you with a warm squash.

[ChiefScott]

...And then invite over the 19-year-old college coed from down the street to help her lick it off your naked body.

[andros]

Been a long trip, Chief?

-andros-

[elelle]

One of the saddest things about being a woman is that we have to give birth to our oppressors...

[Sylence]

I don't know what's funnier, the OP or the squash.

Probably the squash.


-- Sylence

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"The problem with reality is the lack of background music." -- Anon

[ChrisCTP]

Hey y'all! Jack Tripper in the house!

Come and knock on our dooooor
We've been waiting for yooooooou
Where the kisses are hers and hers and his,
Three's Company, too

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"ChrisCTP-...the sweetheart of the SDMB..." --Diane
Chris' Homepage: Domestic Bliss (http://www2.crosswinds.net/~domesticbliss/)

elelle wrote:

One of the saddest things about being a woman is that we have to give birth to our oppressors...

Not according to the thread at http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/002899.html, ya don't! Apparently, if you kill a newborn baby RIGHT away, courts are more lenient toward Infanticide. Just plop it in the microwave if it's a boy!

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Quick-N-Dirty Aviation: Trading altitude for airspeed since 1992.



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<font color=red>Hooray! Occam's gonna lock himself up in a monestary, where he wont have to "put up with female shit". </font>

<font color=orange>Our long national nightmare is over!</font>

<font color=purple>Acyually, Occam; female shit is just as bad as male shit. That is , both STINK. Yours more than most</font>

( Guys, just to be clear: I'm not whipped. Merely trying to score points with Ms. Scarlett O'Kellibelli.) ;)



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Attention C#3!The inside of your musty head is a exercise wheel;
in which two gerbils, Vanity and Credulity by
name, tussle fruitlessly over the walnut that
represents your banal & pointless existance.

[WallyM7]

It won't work, loser who regularly posts in 8pt colored type. She likes me best.

Eat your pancreas.

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If you're hot, that's good.
If you're cool, that's good.

I don't get it.

[Doctor Jackson]

Tired of putting up with female shit

So switch to water sports. Shoot, even fetishist get bored occasionally.

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The overwhelming majority of people have more than the average (mean) number of legs. -- E. Grebenik

[andros]

I've been too nice in the Pit lately, so . . .

Occam, get right the fuck over yourself.

Women are no more capricious and arbitrary than men.

If you can't find a nice gal, maybe you're the problem. What the fuck do you want, a supermodel who'll kowtow to your every whim? Ain't gonna happen.

Welcome to reality, Mr. Completely Easy to Get Along With.

xxoo
-andros-

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"Listen Children Eternal Father Eternally One!" Exceptions? None!
-Doc Bronner

[CATwoman]

Boy, people in here sure are mean!

hahaha!

The CAT!

[bj0rn]

ohh come on, this is an easy one. thank the maker men and women are different! and i guess thats the reason there are people who are a bit confused in regards to their sexlife. but for us straight folk its just a simple matter of putting up with some things all women have in common (as goes for men naturally). the only thing we are NOT supposed to do, is to expect women to act like men, and men to act like women. there is a reason we are different! and the reason doesnt involve appearances.

nuff said

bj0rn

[Occam]

andros- OK, lets clarify what I'm complaining about. It's not that I can't find a nice looking girl. I didn't get dumped. I also don't expect them to answer my every whim. I want a woman that's RATIONAL. Or at least doesn't torture me with her irrationality. Is that to much to ask, Andros?

Whew. Ok, I looked back up there and can't figure out what my shit fit was all about. It was irrational thinking on my part, and I directed my anger in the BBQ Pit, not at every woman I met that day.

So, you admit you're irrational, but you complain that you can't find a woman who's rational?

[Pooch]

Well, you know, irrationality is contagious.

[BenDover]

*sigh* Too bad intelligence isn't.

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Too many freaks, not enough circuses.

[UncleBeer]

Now it all makes perfect sense to me?
????????????

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"The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind." - Humphrey Bogart

[lvick]

Humans cannot reason their way out of their basic irrationality, all that can be hoped for in real life is to be irrational in a reasonable manner,
I've always love that,

and for the record I prefer cantaloupe to squash

[CanadianSue]

Occam.. ever heard of prozac?

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We are, each of us angels with only one wing;
and we can only fly by
embracing one another

[Valerieblaise]

Occam....

Hi, how are you doing? Good? Great. Just wanted to let you know that women are individuals. Some are mostly rational, some are mostly irrational. There are also some women that are somewhere in-between. The thing is that very few are completely one or the other. Do you know what OTHER sex is like that? Men! Funny, huh?

If you live with two bitchy broads with whom you can't get along, ya know what? You need to find new roomies! I'm willing to bet, though, regardless of their sex, your NEW roommates won't live up to your standard of perfection. I mean, if those two evil females you live with actually show EMOTIONS that conflict with your own so flagrantly, who is to say that even two RATIONAL males won't possibly make the mistake of having different moods than you do? I mean, they'll most likely be HUMAN males. That means they're not likely to live their lives as you see fit, and so CLEARLY they must be wrong... RIGHT?

Who the fuck are you, jagoff? I mean, I've had tons of roommates, of both sexes, and most of them possessed not one but MANY flaws. Ya know what though? Just because ONE of my female roommies became a dominatrix and wanted to have clients over to our apartment doesn't mean the other women that I've lived with were like that. Just because ONE of my guy roommates never paid his share of the rent doesn't mean that no man can support himself.

What's my point? Well, basically, you're an asshole that is willing to discriminate against an entire sex based on a couple of bad experiences. Should the rest of us women be banished until we learn to live up to your standards? Nope. Maybe, just maybe, you can use your living situation as a chance to learn and grow. If not, you can go right ahead and fuck yourself. I don't think anybody is sitting here crying over your plight.

Of course, if anyone IS spending tears on this subject, I'll just assume they're being irrational.

You're a tool,

Valerie

[kellibelli]

Well...I guess she told you.


I gotta ask though...you hate women, and you hate canada, so I guess Canadian women are not that appealing huh?

*shrug*
Your loss.

Canadian Women do appeal to me Kelli.

C'mere & I'll prove it....

(suggestive leer) ;)

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Attention C#3!The inside of your musty head is a exercise wheel;
in which two gerbils, Vanity and Credulity by
name, tussle fruitlessly over the walnut that
represents your banal & pointless existance.

[ultress]

Hmmmmm....my suggestion would be that you turn gay.....since you think men are so much more perfect than women...then you wouldn't have to worry about women at all...of course unless your gay lover wants to connect with his feminine side...then you got another problem...

[Sealemon88]

I'm straight, and I still found my feminine side.

It turns out she's a lebsian nymphomaniac, so we get along just fine.

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You say "cheesy" like that's a BAD thing.

[WallyM7]

Damn! That's a good one, mon.

ROFLMAO!

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I have lots of willpower.

I'm just too strong to be a slave to it.

[TVeblen]

Dear, dear.
Women get you so hot, bothered and discombobulated that you froth at the mouth, shout, rant, rave and vow to invade peaceful neighboring countries.

[dainty feminine snicker...]

Honey, you aren't the first but don't you just hate being predictable?

Occ, sweetie, if you can't handle a couple of female roomates, what in the wide, wide world of testosterone makes you think you can lead a bunch of randy male animals on a completely stupid takeover of a land where Kelliblli et al would promptly reduce you to a pool of melting Jello?

You haven't MET female s**t, junior. Just wait until you meet the real thing. You're just beginning....

Gently smiling,
Veb

[neuro-trash grrrl]

Usually, when I post, I'm smiling. Even when I flame someone, I have a smile on my face, albeit a rather nasty one.

I'm not smiling now.

Occam:

Let's go into this little room here, and lock the door.

Now say that again.

I'll give you "irrational".

You little fuck.

Just putting it in terms that your little manly-man mind can grasp.

If you don't understand how two human beings can fight and make up all the time, then I simply do not care to know you. It is the nature of the beast, pal. I don't know what planet you come from, but on this one, not everything is black and white. You don't agree with someone all the time. You don't even necessarily like someone all the time, but if you do most of the time, then that's good enough. It's called "friendship", something that you do not appear to understand. Your attempt to place the blame for the irrationality in today's world on the delicate shoulders of womanhood, your derision at displays of emotion, your general superiority shows that if there ever really was a war of the sexes, (and isn't that typical of guys like you, to see everything as a conflict), you would have been one of the first to get taken out into the street and shot, because you would have simply relaxed and had a beer, confident that you'd win because "women don't know what the fuck they're doing." Do you have a clue what the fuck you're doing? No, I do not believe you do. Because you do see everything in black and white. Now, this assessment only comes from one post, so I could be very wrong about you, but if it is any indication, you do not understand women, men, or yourself. You lash out at any target you can find, then continue lashing out, because you have decided that you hate it, and there can be no other way. I really hope that you never run for office, because that attitude gave us Hitler. Either you are going to cause someone a whole lot of pain someday, or you are going to get so frustrated that you self-immolate. I, personally, hope it's the latter. Have a nice life, and stay the fuck out of my way.

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Modest? You bet I'm modest! I am the queen of modesty!

I recieved the following in an email....rather than "defend" my femaleness, no sense in being redundant, we all are tired at some point in our lives of the opposite sex.....BTW, ever push a basketball through your ass men? Although I have never had children, men need to lighten up and imagine that (even if it is not through our asses.....hmmm, that would seem appropriate <hehe>

How a Woman takes a shower vs. How a Man does....
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How To Shower Like A Woman:
1. Take off clothing and place it in sectioned laundry hamper according to lights and darks.
2. Walk to bathroom wearing long dressing gown. If you see your boyfriend/husband along the way, cover up any exposed flesh and rush to the bathroom.
3. Look at your womanly physique in the mirror and stick out your gut so that you can complain and whine even more about how you're getting fat.
4. Get in the shower. Look for facecloth, armcloth, legcloth, long loofah, wide loofah and pumice stone.
5. Wash your hair once with Cucumber and Comfrey shampoo with 83 added vitamins.
6. Wash your hair again with Cucumber and Comfrey shampoo with 83 added vitamins.
7. Condition your hair with Cucumber and Comfrey conditioner enhanced with natural crocus oil. Leave on hair for fifteen minutes.
8. Wash your face with crushed apricot facial scrub for ten minutes until red raw.
9. Wash entire rest of body with Ginger Nut and Jaffa Cake body wash
10. Rinse conditioner off hair (this takes at least fifteen minutes as you must make sure that it has all come off).
11. Shave armpits and legs. Consider shaving bikini area but decide to get it waxed instead.
12. Scream loudly when your boyfriend/husband flushes the toilet and you lose the water pressure.
13. Turn off shower.
14. Squeegee off all wet surfaces in shower. Spray mold spots with Tilex.
15. Get out of shower. Dry with towel the size of a small African country. Wrap hair in super absorbent second towel.
16. Check entire body for the remotest sign of a zit. Attack with nails/tweezers if found.
17. Return to bedroom wearing long dressing gown and towel on head.
18. If you see your boyfriend/husband along the way, cover up any exposed and then rush to bedroom to spend an hour and a half getting dressed.
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How To Shower Like A Man

1. Take off clothes while sitting on the edge of the bed and leave them in a pile.
2. Walk naked to the bathroom. If you see your girlfriend/wife along the way, flash her making the "woo woo" sound.
3. Look at your manly physique in the mirror and suck in your gut to see if you have pecs (no). Admire the size of your dick in the mirror,scratch your balls and smell your fingers for one last whiff.
4. Get in the shower.
5. Don't bother to look for a washcloth. (you don't use one)
6. Wash your face
7. Wash your armpits
8. Crack-up at how loud your fart sounds in the shower.
9. Wash your privates and surrounding area.
10. Wash your ass, leaving hair on the soap bar.
11. Shampoo your hair. (do not use conditioner)
12. Make a shampoo Mohawk.
13. Pull back shower curtain and look at yourself in the mirror.
14. Pee (in the shower)
15. Rinse off and get out of the shower. Fail to notice water on the floor because you left the curtain hang out of the tub the whole time.
16. Partial dry off.
17. Look at yourself in the mirror, flex muscles. Admire dick size.
18. Leave shower curtain open and wet bath mat on the floor.
19. Leave bathroom and fan light on.
20. Return to the bedroom with towel around your waist.
If you pass your girlfriend/wife, pull off
the towel, grab your dick, and go "Yeah baby!!"

{Note: I HOPE that I have removed the extra long lines that caused sidescroll. -Lynn}


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[Tengu]

they fight and make up daily!

Didn't even notice this one until Neuro-Trash picked up on it.

Since when is this a female quirk?

I do this with my male friends all the time. Some of my female friends, too, but mostly the males.

Hells, from my experience, I'd be inclined to call it a distinctly male quality.

But I won't.

Know why?

'Cuz it simply ain't the case, any more than it's the case that it's a distinctly female quality.

You want a rational woman? Get rational yourself first, inane-rant-boy. Rational people aren't attracted to people who make absurd, irrational rants such as the one that started this thread.



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'They couldn't hit an Elephant from this dist...!'

Last words of General John Sedgwick

[Occam]

trash-grrrl,

"Stay the fuck out of my way"?? Listen Trash, your post surpasses just irrationality, it's emotional. You let yourself get caried away in a wash of emotions while you battle someone who believes differently than you. Granted, this is the place to fume but if you responded to me it was becasue there is something you thought I should know. You let me know I'm right. So far, I think I'm pretty safe in my assumption that women are far to irrational and emotional for their own good. You would have made a better case for femalekind if you would have ignored me. And to all the others, I think women are MORE irrational than men, not that men are not irrational.

[neuro-trash grrrl]

Okay, having had a chance to calm down some...

First of all, does it really matter what "Judge Dimbulb" thinks as a result of my posting?* If this had been a real trial, before a real judge, I would have blown my case big time, but it's not. In all probability, a carefully reasoned and logical response would have failed to change his outlook one iota.

Second, reading the OP made me more furious than I have been at anyone in recent memory. And as a result, I had an emotional outburst. Am I ashamed of this? No, I can't say that I am. It is an entirely natural and healthy thing to express one's anger, a point I believe I was driving at. I could have just bottled it up and allowed it to poison me, as I have on so many other occasions, but I didn't, and I feel much better for it. I'm sure that many of my "irrational" compatriots, female and male, would say the same.

Thirdly, reread the OP, but this time, replace "women" with "blacks", "Jews", or some other group, and then imagine about how long it would take for the shitfight to begin.

And finally, this patronizing, condescending attitude towards my gender is something I've had to put up with for a long time (as have we all), from many people. It has always made me angry, but I never did anything about it, and as a result, the patronization and condescension just got worse, sometimes degenerating into out-and-out abuse. I refuse to do that anymore.

I spoke once, in anger. I now speak in full control of my emotions. If Occam does not really feel the things he expressed in the OP, then let him also come forth and speak in control of his emotions (because, surprise surprise, he has them). I felt the need to clarify and express more fully, and less "irrationally", things I expressed in the previous post. Perhaps you see this as further proof of female irrationality. I see it as proof of a healthy human being. Perhaps such things are anomalies in your universe, but they certainly aren't in mine.

*And, yes, kellibelli, I do realize you were being facetious.

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Modest? You bet I'm modest! I am the queen of modesty!

[andros]

In other words, Occam, if you want to be taken seriously by women, ditch the macho, misogynistic, bigoted bullshit.

Prick.

-andros-

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"Listen Children Eternal Father Eternally One!" Exceptions? None!
-Doc Bronner

[kellibelli]

Good. ;)

[Drain Bead]

I often feel the same way about women that Occam does.

I am female.

Now, I do have female friends. Most of them are much more level-headed than the norm. I have, however, seen women fight and make up constantly, both with one another and in their relationships with men. I don't see this as often with men. Personally, I don't understand it.

I've spent practically all day today talking to a good male friend of mine whose girlfriend is going crazy because she's feeling neglected for sports. Any idiot can see that he's in love with her--in fact, he gets more goofy about her than I could possibly imagine anyone to be, male or female. He's practically giddy when he talks about her. But does that make a difference to her? No way. He cheers for a frigging baseball team too much, and she's threatening to end the entire relationship.

I really think I identify with men more than I do with women. They're much more predictable, and while they're not, as a whole, as emotionally accessible, I've managed to find a few who are, and they're my bestest buddies in the whole wide world. And they can understand certain realities that women I know can't, like the fact that sex isn't always about emotions, and that going out three times doesn't constitute a relationship, even if you DID sleep with him.
Now, I'm sure that all the women are going to be up in arms over this one. Remember, however, that I am 21 years old and in college. Remember the majority of the women you knew at that age. Did they or did they not act like this? I think this is where Occam is coming from. And to him I'd like to say that most of them will grow out of their fickle personalities. Most of the women I am close with are aunts, my mom, and my grandmother. I have exactly ONE close female friend my age.

At least, I hope they grow out of it, anyway.


Fueling the fire,

Libby

[Crystalguy]

Man meets woman. Woman finds man interesting.
Woman feels proprietary. Decides man would be perfect if certain changes made. Makes list of changes. Institutes change making program. Man has two choices: 1, Make changes or 2, remain true to self and do not change. If man selects option #1, woman loses respect for man because he allowed himself to be dominated and manipulated. If man selects option #2, woman hates him because he is not her perfect man. Man cannot win, in woman's mind, the battle between the sexes.

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Crystalguy

[Sealemon88]

CrystalGuy: Are you really going to pretend that guys don't try to make changes too? It's called compromising.

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You say "cheesy" like that's a BAD thing.

[Crystalguy]

A woman's idea of a compromise is when she grinds the man into the dirt and gets her own way. Pouting, crying, sex all count as grinding the man into the dirt. A mans idea of a compromise is when both parties are satisfied with the arrangement, even if it is not one either of them originally wanted.

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Crystalguy

[CanadianSue]

My my my crystal guy you have alot to learn about women... otherwise the only thing you are gonna be grinding is yourself.

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We are, each of us angels with only one wing;
and we can only fly by
embracing one another

[Sealemon88]

You're dealing with the wrong women, mon....but then again, if that's all you expect, then that's all you'll get.

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You say "cheesy" like that's a BAD thing.

[elelle]

Drain Bead & Crystalguy---
Back, back, baaaack, to 21...
I think what your'e both getting entangled in is the dominant society's version of "female", and that's quite easy to do. I, too, was always the buddy gal to guys, and still am, but have learned to distinguish the Tool line from the intricasies of reallife. Sometimes women resort to these tactics, and men resort to equally dysfunctional(ewwww, the "D" word) coping mechs. After awhile, with any luck, folks see just how useless these reactions are, and progress to something more heartfelt and equitable than what passes as-rationality- in this hardscrabble world. Perhaps in the early years, that old hardwired urge to breed scrambles everyone's noggin so much that it becomes more of a war. But after the genetic me-first miasma dies down,(even if it ain't your overt posture, think it's sadly still in our drive) hopefully we all find more fun ways to get along.

[elelle]

OK ladies... ignore him...DO NOT let him breed!....How's that for rational, pal ???

[kellibelli]

Well, that's it!
You would have made a better case for femalekind if you would have ignored me.

Look what you did Neurotrashgrrrrl!

You lost the big case!

Now we are found guilty by Judge Dimbulb, and sentenced to life without the possibility of his respect!

Oh well, does anyone care? And if he wanted us to ignore him....why did he post?

*rolls eyes*
Whatever...if you want to take the example of a couple of hard to live with women, and the flames of a woman to 'prove' your case, well then I have a case to prove too:

You are a jack-ass.
You are probably homosexual and afraid to admit it.
You most certainly feel threatened by strong women - probably the result of growing up with a controlling mother and an absent father.
I believe the term is mysoginist...if I gave a rats ass about you I would look it up to check the spelling, but I dont.
You are an anal retentive loser, and I feel sorry for you, you will NEVER find a woman 'good enough' for you and you will die a lonely old bitter man...pondering why you could never find a 'good woman'.

I declare my case proven, as I am basing it entirely on this assanine thread.

I am neither upset nor irrational as I write this...See, I got fucked sensless just 16hours ago, and I am as peaceful and serene as can be. Go take your hand on a date, and you might have a better perspective.
B'bye.

Hey Occam, have you ever considered starting up a website that offers $10,000 for a woman? That might be your only chance.
Give it a try http://www.10kforawife.com
Or, perhaps this little lady is more along your line of thinking. At least you will be able to eliminate that whole scary emotional thing. Get (http://smallwonder.simplenet.com/COC.html) a clue moron.

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[Crystalguy]

Canadian Sue: I have, in a long life, done a lot of grinding. Often enough with women who could not resist a genuine indifference to them. Undoubtedly I would be ever so much better off had I stuck to grinding only with myself. At my advanced age, grinding is not the priority it once was. So my complaint is not with a lack of grinding. It has been my experience that women, generally speaking, instinctively set out to change the very things they originally found most attractive in a man. In other words, women seem to be incapable of leaving a good thing alone---they have to tinker with it until it doesn't work anymore. And yes, men sometimes do the same but this thread is about women. And men are not so prone to nit-pic as are women. Plus, in the courtship(?) stage, women tend to be good sports, liberal, open-minded, willing to try new things but when the hook is set, things change. There is an old joke about why women smile as they walk down the aisle at their wedding---ask around, someone will tell it to you.

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Crystalguy

[BenDover]

Crystalguy, can you say 'misogynist'?

With an attitude like that, no wonder all of the women you know try to change you!

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Too many freaks, not enough circuses.

[Gazelle]

Drain Bead wrote,
I am female.

Now, I do have female friends. Most of them are much more level-headed than the norm. I have, however, seen women fight and make up constantly, both with one another and in their relationships with men. I don't see this as often with men. Personally, I don't understand it.

Girlfriend, high five! ::smack::

I'm also female, straight, 30 years old and have found that the older I get, the further away from these bitchy-ass women.

The women I have known who fit in this category have the following characteristics:

Mainly, they enjoy drama. Drama queens. If there is no problem in their life, it's boring. So they cause problems.

Subsets of the main characteristic:

1. They believe the only way to solve a problem is to yell, cry or whine about it.

2. If they have a problem with a person, they tell them (with a straight fac) that there's no problem, then go around bitching about them behind their back.

3. They enjoy making a scene.

I just got rid of a "friend" who does all of these things. Good riddance.

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Men are from Mars, women are from Venus, dogs are from Pluto. - Anonymous

[Crystalguy]

No, but I can say "old and grumpy." In the cold light of day (sober) I can also say that my previous posts somehow don't seem as funny as I thought while I was composing them. They are not reflective of my true attitude about women. Canadian Sue, my comment to you was gross and un-called for. I appologize.

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Crystalguy

[CanadianSue]

No need to apologize Crystal Guy.. you are entitled to your opinion.

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We are, each of us angels with only one wing;
and we can only fly by
embracing one another

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Occam wrote:

Listen Trash, your post surpasses just irrationality, it's emotional.

I hate to break this to you, Occam, but not all emotions are irrational!

[Byzantine]

Yeah, us women! We are nothing but a pain in the ass! You should disassociate yourself from us at once! Let me be the first to offer my hand in a hearty goodbye.


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[Stella*Fantasia]

GRRRRRRRRRR!!! The implication has been made a couple of times that every time women cry, it's some form of emotional blackmail. Sometimes when my boyfriend & I fight, I cry. I don't do it as a calculated move in order to get my way. I do it because I feel really deeply hurt by something he has said, implied, done, not done, etc. It's a natural reaction to a bad situation. It doesn't make me a bitchy drama queen or anything.

What I don't understand is why it freaks out guys so much when women cry. Like I said, it's a just a natural reaction to stress. I'm not saying he should ignore it or anything, but he could, like, try to figure WHY I'm crying & discuss it with me.

Except I forgot, I'm a woman & we can't think rationally, didn't someone say that?

[Drain Bead]

Yet another overreaction...

[neuro-trash grrrl]

What, it's an overreaction to ask for help and support instead of being blown off and called irrational?

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[Boris B]

Stella*FantasiaWhat I don't understand is why it freaks out guys so much when women cry.

You raise an interesting point. I don't know why it freaks guys out so much either, and I'm one of those guys. Seeing a woman crying fills my guts (well, it's more like right under my breastbone) with some kind of tension. It can vary between anger, if I think she is using emotional blackmail, to compassion, if I think she's at rights to be so sad, to utter bewilderment in a lot of cases. This is true even watching movies.

I suppose it might be because men cry more rarely, and thus only over very intense things (plus Titanic), so crying is a really big deal. There is a little bit of mistaken empathy - "If she feels bad enough to cry then she must feel as bad as I did when my parents got blown up that time which was the last time I cried, so now I'm upset too". That's my best guess, anyway.

[cleosia]

I think that since guys are expected NOT to cry (sometimes no matter what the reason), they're uncomfortable with crying. Why else would some of them freak out if their small sons cry when they hurt themselves. It's kind of strange to tell a 6-year-old to "be a man."

[Stella*Fantasia]

Drain Bead, do you mean I overreact when I cry because my SO says hurtful things to me, or did you mean that my post was an overreaction?

[Byzantine]

Gee, kick a guy in the crotch as hard as you can and THEN watch the tears flow! Big guys don't cry my ass...

[Boris B]

Actually, I heard some interesting statistics on men and women crying. Men apparently cry more often than women at movies. (This explains why so many men walk out of cinemas cursing the eyelash that just happened to fall into each eye a few moments before.) Women cry more than men at everything else.

I'm going to try and find this source because I think I saw it on the web (apparently, there are info sources off - line, but I can't remember what they are ... something involving flat sheets of wood pulp ...?).

In any case, physical seems like one of the least likely things to make a guy cry. Death is probably more effective. So if you want to make me cry, you'll have to kill my friends, or at least decapitate Teddy.

[TVeblen]

Shrug.
Extremes of gender role playing are equally ludicrous, IMO. The crypto-kittenish drama queen is just as ridiculous as the harder-and
colder-than-steel macho robot.

Read some of Deborah Tannen's stuff; it explains this much better than I ever could, but men and women just plain don't react the same. Neither right or wrong; just different. What IS wrong (hey, Occam, you're not off the hook!) is imputing foul motives and willful misconduct to those differences, male or female.

Women aren't sly manipulators and men aren't emotionally stunted lumps. Both men and women who find refuge in extemes of gender stereotyping are rather ridiculous and rather pitiful.

Sorry to pour water on a lively little fire.
Shrugging again,
Veb

[Stella*Fantasia]

Oh yeah, I stand corrected. I just checked this thread. Occam said he was unable to find a rational woman, which I guess isn't exactly the same thing.

*shrugs*

It's not really a sentiment that I care for, either, though.

[Drain Bead]

Well, you don't have to care for it. However, the fact that you started putting words in his mouth like that just about proved his point. Not meaning to jump on your ass or anything, but when defending female rationality, it's probably a good thing if you don't make irrational leap judgments. Especially if you're female. ;)

[Sealemon88]

Damn skippy.

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You say "cheesy" like that's a BAD thing.

[Sealemon88]

Huh? I posted that agreement to another thread....talk about irrational.

Nevermind, y'all.

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You say "cheesy" like that's a BAD thing.

[elelle]

Maybe feminine "irrationality" is REALLY Superrationality, several steps ahead, and when the wheels are spinning-with traction- sometimes you just can't explain.

[Drain Bead]

I don't think anyone said that ALL women can't think rationally. Hence, the overreaction.

[Stella*Fantasia]

Drain Bead, you're misinterpreting what I posted, but I'm no longer interested in hearing what you have to say, so I won't belabor the point.

[Drain Bead]

So be it. Just trying to get you to be a little more careful with words, is all. I rather enjoy playing Devil's Advocate, trying to show people how their words might be interpreted in a way they didn't mean them to be. Sorry if that wasn't clear. You may feel free to dismiss everything I say from now on. ;)

[OpalCat]

"Stay the fuck out of my way"?? Listen Trash, your post surpasses just irrationality, it's emotional.

*gasp* the HORROR!!! It's EMOTIONAL! Oh good god, Occam... you say that like emotions are something bad and evil, something to be afraid of.

They don't know why they need 20 pairs of black shoes.
I have one pair of regular shoes, and one pair of muddy-weather boots. Don't lump all women into the same mold, moron.

Or MUST have the toilet seat down.
Well much as I think that urine splatters and pubic hairs are a daring and bold statement in interior decor, they aren't my thing. I also don't really like to touch the toilet with my hands any more often than neccessary. You know, you don't HAVE to stand up to pee. Oh, and in my house you will put not only the seat but the LID down as well. We have animals and children that don't need to be getting into the toilet.

Now sure, there are annoying, whiny, manipulative women out there. And men. There are all kinds of personality traits and they crop up in both genders. You can choose to assign them to everyone or you can treat people as individuals. One of these choices may leave you very lonely.

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[meek]

Venus vs Mars ... The Short Version....

Girl and boy are having a relationship of about four months now.
One Friday night they meet at a bar after work. They stay for a few, then went to get some food at a local restaurant near their respective homes.

They eat, then go back to his house and she stays over.

Her story:

He was in an odd mood when I got to the bar, I thought it might have
been because I was a bit late but he didn't say anything much about it.
The conversation was quite slow going, so I thought we should go off
somewhere more intimate so we could talk more privately. So we went to
this restaurant and he's STILL a bit funny and I'm trying to cheer him
up and start to wonder whether it's me or something else. I ask him, and
he says no. But you know I'm not really sure.

So anyway, in the cab back to his house, I say that I love him and he
just puts his arm around me. I don't know what the hell this means
because you know he doesn't say it back or anything. We finally get back
to his place I'm wondering if he's going to dump me! So I
try to ask him about it but he just switches on the TV.

Reluctantly, I say I'm going to go to sleep. Then, after about 10
minutes, he joins me and we have sex. But, he still seemed really
distracted, so afterwards I just want to leave. I dunno, I just don't
know what he thinks anymore. I mean, do you think he's met someone
else???

His story:

Bad day at work. But, I got laid.



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[matt_mcl]

You are probably homosexual and afraid to admit it.

Oh, no no no, girlfriend, do NOT try to unload this moron on us. He'll be running up and down the village kvetching about femme guys and drag queens next and we do NOT need another one of those.

*makes sign of cross, remembers he's pagan, makes sign of pentacle* Back! Back! Stay out of our disco! *brandishes garlic*