I almost feel sorry for the Republicans [Archive]

AHunter3

09-02-2008, 11:07 PM

Through no more than the most meagre fault of their own at best, and through no brilliant strokes on the part of the Dems either, really...

• Hurricane Gustav comes roaring in and causes them to tamp down and virtually cancel the first day of the Republican convention

• That prompts the newsfolks to remind anyone who'd forgotten it, all about Katrina and heckuva job Brownie.

• But the Republicans move to act compassionately and somberly in the face of this Category 5 disaster so at least they can demonstrate that they care or rather they would have except that Gustav more or less wandered off and did very little.

• News media, deprived of Gustav horrors to spray all across page 1, give a fair amount of attention to Sarah Palin's daughter's pregnancy, plus the metastory about whether or not this story will have any political fallout to speak of for the Republican ticket.

• And that, in turn, leads them to include a few more mentions of Troopergate than they might otherwise have done, and at least a few mutterings to the effect that the McCain ticket is floundering and failing to define itself.

well, OK, their politics dismay me enough that I'm mostly gleefully watching all this, but at least a little part of me feels sorry for them for just not being able to catch a break...

Onomatopoeia

09-02-2008, 11:15 PM

Calculated evil deserves no breaks.

Shayna

09-02-2008, 11:18 PM

• But the Republicans move to act compassionately and somberly in the face of this Category 5 disaster so at least they can demonstrate that they care or rather they would have except that Gustav more or less wandered off and did very little. Well, they might have, but they actually didn't (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rni6G7RRFkk).

magellan01

09-02-2008, 11:36 PM

Well, they might have, but they actually didn't (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rni6G7RRFkk).

Just when I think you couldn't get more pathetic, you do. Well done. I hope you've managed to get yourself a good meal by now after that stale bread and water diet you've been on because of New Orleans.:rolleyes:

Shayna

09-02-2008, 11:55 PM

Just when I think you couldn't get more pathetic, you do. Well done. I hope you've managed to get yourself a good meal by now after that stale bread and water diet you've been on because of New Orleans.:rolleyes: I didn't make any grandiose claims that I'd refrain from celebration, unlike the Republicans who did, then didn't follow through on. It's rather hilarious that you take such great offense to posting a link to a news report, though.

MEBuckner

09-03-2008, 12:33 AM

Just when I think you couldn't get more pathetic, you do.
Moderator's Warning: Magellan01, this is out of line for the forum. No personal insults or else take it to the Pit; you know better.

Moderator's Note: That said, I don't really see much of a debate here, or much chance of one developing, so as of now I am moving this from Great Debates to the BBQ Pit.

Starving Artist

09-03-2008, 12:44 AM

MrBerious

09-03-2008, 01:15 AM

Save your pity for the rest of us just in case he gets in! Welp

Merijeek

09-03-2008, 07:36 AM

Don't feel too sorry for us, AHunter3. It's true that things haven't exactly been going swimmingly for us lately, but it's shaping up to be a much closer race than you might think and you just might find yourself congratulating us in a couple of months instead...should you be able to rise to the occasion and do so.

Does that go both ways, big guy?

-Joe

eleanorigby

09-03-2008, 08:11 AM

Do not pity. Show no mercy, for it is sure you will receive none. Such is the mentality one needs to face the GOP and its smear machine. I used not to feel this way, back when the GOP actually had some morals and integrity (that would be pre-Reagan).

I sure wish those GOP people would care about hurricanes when there isn't a convention scheduled. But their "response" to it was such a typically "compassionately conservative" (sorry, I still can't say that phrase without chuckling) one: express concern, sympathy and the desire to help, all while making a futile and impractical gesture that means nothing in the end. Oh, and actually do nothing to truly effect the problem--but it sure looks good! I feel warm and fuzzy all over....

papaw

09-03-2008, 08:14 AM

Calculated evil deserves no breaks.

Please cite the evil you infer.

AHunter3

09-03-2008, 08:48 AM

The Weird One

09-03-2008, 08:54 AM

THespos

09-03-2008, 09:04 AM

If you feel sorry for the Republicans, then the terrorists have already won.

glee

09-03-2008, 09:13 AM

Please cite the evil you infer.

Here's what the Republicans did to a certain John McCain in 2000:

The battle between Bush and McCain for South Carolina has entered American political lore as one of the nastiest, dirtiest, and most brutal ever.
...
Bush allied himself on stage with a marginal and controversial veterans activist named J. Thomas Burch, who accused McCain of having "abandoned the veterans" on POW/MIA and Agent Orange issues: "He came home from Vietnam and forgot us."
...
McCain ran ads accusing Bush of lying and comparing the governor to Bill Clinton, which Bush complained was "about as low a blow as you can give in a Republican primary."
...
An unidentified party began a semi-underground smear campaign against McCain, delivered by push polls, faxes, e-mails, flyers, audience plants, and the like. These claimed most famously that he had fathered a black child out of wedlock
...
During a break in a debate, Bush put his hand on McCain's arm and reiterated that he had no involvement in the attacks; McCain replied, "Don't give me that shit. And take your hands off me."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain_presidential_campaign,_2000

olivesmarch4th

09-03-2008, 09:26 AM

Well, they might have, but they actually didn't (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rni6G7RRFkk).

You know, I'm not a fan of Republican politics by any means, but every time I catch a glimpse of TV news I am really stunned by how anti-Republican it really is. Am I just missing the anti-Obama stuff, or is it really all that bad?

That piece wasn't journalism, it was just tabloid/trash media that served no purpose whatsoever other than to drum up false outrage. Some lobbyists threw some parties. Like that never happens on the Democratic side? Bizarre.

Mr. Duality

09-03-2008, 09:37 AM

Another series of Republican sins were committed against Max Cleland.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/bivens_outrage?pid=1262 :mad:

NurseCarmen

09-03-2008, 09:38 AM

but every time I catch a glimpse of TV news I am really stunned by how anti-Republican it really is. Apparently you missed the part where they said they were following up on last weeks expose on the Democratic convention.

Risha

09-03-2008, 09:40 AM

You know, I'm not a fan of Republican politics by any means, but every time I catch a glimpse of TV news I am really stunned by how anti-Republican it really is. Am I just missing the anti-Obama stuff, or is it really all that bad?I can't view that link here at work. With that said, bwah? All the news seems really right wing these days.

Maybe that's just because my local Dunkin Donuts plays Fox News all day.

eleanorigby

09-03-2008, 09:43 AM

Please cite the evil you infer.

Imply. IMPLY.

I feel better.

Carry on...

Otto

09-03-2008, 10:05 AM

Imply. IMPLY.

I feel better.

Carry on...
Actually "infer" is correct. Onomatopoeia did not imply that the GOP is calculated evil. S/he stated it flat out. papaw asked, since the GOP has not yet formally declared itself "the party of calculated evil," from what actions of the GOP did Onomatopoeia infer that the GOP is calculated evil.

Oy!

09-03-2008, 10:38 AM

[Totally off topic]

Imply. IMPLY.

I feel better.

Carry on... Actually "infer" is correct. Onomatopoeia did not imply that the GOP is calculated evil. S/he stated it flat out. papaw asked, since the GOP has not yet formally declared itself "the party of calculated evil," from what actions of the GOP did Onomatopoeia infer that the GOP is calculated evil.

This is one of the things I absolutely LOVE about the Dope. This kind of thing is not only tolerated, but perhaps even encouraged!

I love you guys!

We now return you to your regularly scheduled Pitting.
[/Totally off topic]

Mosier

09-03-2008, 11:00 AM

Imply. IMPLY.

I feel better.

Carry on...

Oh noooooo!!!!

There's a very real possibility that you're about to get piled on.

eleanorigby

09-03-2008, 11:24 AM

Actually "infer" is correct. Onomatopoeia did not imply that the GOP is calculated evil. S/he stated it flat out. papaw asked, since the GOP has not yet formally declared itself "the party of calculated evil," from what actions of the GOP did Onomatopoeia infer that the GOP is calculated evil.

:smack:
I didn't read it as papaw asking Onom for an inference. I don't see how I didn't see that. Sorry. Carry on.

Shayna

09-03-2008, 11:46 AM

You know, I'm not a fan of Republican politics by any means, but every time I catch a glimpse of TV news I am really stunned by how anti-Republican it really is. Am I just missing the anti-Obama stuff, or is it really all that bad? I dunno, where were you during ReverendWrightGate, or AyersGate or NAFTAGate or RezkoGate?

That piece wasn't journalism, it was just tabloid/trash media that served no purpose whatsoever other than to drum up false outrage. Some lobbyists threw some parties. Like that never happens on the Democratic side? Bizarre. You forgot about the part where the Republicans claimed to be taking the high moral ground by ixnaying the hooplah and partying in the wake of what those in the Gulf Coast region were facing. And yet, it appears as if the only scaling back of festivities that actually occurred were those that they thought the public would see. What goes on behind closed doors and all that.

Democrats made no such promise.

The Walking Dude

09-03-2008, 12:57 PM

• But the Republicans move to act compassionately and somberly in the face of this Category 5 disaster so at least they can demonstrate that they care or rather they would have except that Gustav more or less wandered off and did very little.

I don't give a shit about the rest of this thread. I avoid most political threads on this board, they tend to be juvenile at best. That being said, the phrase, "Gustav more or less wandered off and did very little." makes me want to punch you right in the throat. I'm sorry we couldn't accommodate you with 1600 dead and a city under water this time around, we'll try a bit harder next time. Just so you know, due to this hurricane and it's current effects people have died, homes have been destroyed, millions of people are without power and may be for the next few weeks. I'm in north Louisiana right now, where we had 15 inches of rain and dozens of tornadoes last night. I've personally seen at least 3 homes completely destroyed and countless others damaged. Just up the road from me there are dozens of other homes with water standing in them. We have been lucky so far, just a few leaks. Let me point out that this damage was caused over a hundred miles away from the worst hit places. I have to go home to Baton Rouge sometime this week, whenever my work and/or LSU get power and open again, to see if I even still have a home. I can't find out now because there are no phone lines available between here and there. Homes, businesses, schools, and historical landmarks have been damaged and destroyed. People have been affected in many ways, from having to pack there belongings and leave there homes hoping they have homes to go back to when this is over to being killed, all because of Gustav. I suppose we were lucky Gustav "did very little". The Republicans, the Democrats, and you can all take your precious politics and shove them right up your asses.

dropzone

09-03-2008, 01:45 PM

And yet, it appears as if the only scaling back of festivities that actually occurred were those that they thought the public would see.Because of Monday's schedule change, Bush and Cheney were dumped from appearing live, with Bush back on Tuesday via video feed and playing second banana to Fred Thompson and Cheney back, oh, looks like never. McCain needed Gustav to pull that off withou looking like he was shitting on the sitting albatross president.

Yeticus Rex

09-03-2008, 02:15 PM

The Republicans, the Democrats, and you can all take your precious politics and shove them right up your asses.

My sympathies for the crap you guys are going through; myself and others here really can't appreciate the hell you're going through. And while your outrage is justified, we can only see what's going on from the outside with reports and numbers that are smaller in comparison to Katrina, hence a statement based on those assumptions.

As for the Reps and Dems, they're the ones who more or less wandering off and doing little. I have no whole-hearted faith in either party at this point in time.

The only thing I do have faith in right now is the band "Hookers and Blow".:D

gobear

09-03-2008, 02:17 PM

Still, as long as Obama persists in keeping his skin color darker than George Hamilton, he will likely lose to McCain. The ignorant racist demographic is strong in thos country.

I sure hope I'm wrong, and Obama wins, but I am far from optimistic.

Dangerosa

09-03-2008, 03:24 PM

jsc1953

09-03-2008, 05:10 PM

Because of Monday's schedule change, Bush and Cheney were dumped from appearing live, with Bush back on Tuesday via video feed and playing second banana to Fred Thompson and Cheney back, oh, looks like never. McCain needed Gustav to pull that off withou looking like he was shitting on the sitting albatross president.

Actually, this was a huge break for the Pubbies, so we can stop pitying them now -- Gustav gave them a reason to dump Still President Bush and Darth Veep. I think they would've dumped them due to fog in San Francisco, or unseasonably chilly in Maine -- a hurricane was heaven-sent.

Cervaise

09-03-2008, 05:24 PM

I sure hope I'm wrong, and Obama wins, but I am far from optimistic.Hey, welcome back!

Maeglin

09-03-2008, 05:28 PM

Holy crap, gobear, welcome back.

I did not particularly feel bad for honest Republicans before, but after Peggy Noonan's revelation today, well, now perhaps I do.

olivesmarch4th

09-03-2008, 05:29 PM

I dunno, where were you during ReverendWrightGate, or AyersGate or NAFTAGate or RezkoGate? You forgot about the part where the Republicans claimed to be taking the high moral ground by ixnaying the hooplah and partying in the wake of what those in the Gulf Coast region were facing. And yet, it appears as if the only scaling back of festivities that actually occurred were those that they thought the public would see. What goes on behind closed doors and all that.

Democrats made no such promise.

I didn't have TV during the Reverend Wright debacle, and don't even know what other incidents you're referring to. The last time I heard anything about NAFTA was earlier in the primaries when Obama was getting criticized for being duplicitous about his stance, but I don't recall it being blown out of proportion. (Reverend Wright was blown WAAAAAY out of proportion... but for some reason I assumed that was mostly on Fox News.)

I really rarely watch TV news at all -- it's just that every single time I flip by CNN it seems like they are fellating Obama to the point of satire. Maybe I'm just coincidentally hitting those rare times when they are praising him.

With regard to the linked media piece... A mention of the situation might be in order, but following drunk people around expecting them to defend themselves cogently when they're plastered off their asses? That's about as intellectually honest as following a Yale doctoral candidate out of a bar and asking him to expound on his dissertation, then calling him a dumbass.

But I'm just, I don't know, insulted by media coverage of the political process in general.

Cervaise

09-03-2008, 05:46 PM

after Peggy Noonan's revelation todayWow, you ain't kiddin' (http://www.usmagazine.com/news/two-tv-commenters-caught-on-tape-criticizing-sarah-palin). (I had missed this. Thanks for the mention.)

eleanorigby

09-03-2008, 07:05 PM

I did not particularly feel bad for honest Republicans before, but after Peggy Noonan's revelation today, well, now perhaps I do.

I can see why you might feel bad. At first I was :confused: because this was a GOP royalty (so to speak) who was criticizing Palin. Then again, I don't really see why this should invoke pity--it's normal to have disagreement within a party. The GOP has traditionally (since Reagan anyway) been able to get everyone to use the same talking points and stay on message. I think what we're seeing here is actually healthy for the party--some dissent that makes it into the public eye.
I heard a fascinating bit on NPR about the 1952 Rep convention here in Chicago--how the cameras weren't allowed in etc. It seems since then that the machinations have been offscreen (and to some extent rightly so, for either party). And there is this: Noonan didn't know she was "on". Then again, someone with her savvy should know that any mike is an open one...

AHunter3

09-03-2008, 08:08 PM

I don't give a shit about the rest of this thread. I avoid most political threads on this board, they tend to be juvenile at best. That being said, the phrase, "Gustav more or less wandered off and did very little." makes me want to punch you right in the throat. I'm sorry we couldn't accommodate you with 1600 dead and a city under water this time around, we'll try a bit harder next time. Just so you know, due to this hurricane and it's current effects people have died, homes have been destroyed, millions of people are without power and may be for the next few weeks. I'm in north Louisiana right now, where we had 15 inches of rain and dozens of tornadoes last night. I've personally seen at least 3 homes completely destroyed and countless others damaged. Just up the road from me there are dozens of other homes with water standing in them. We have been lucky so far, just a few leaks. Let me point out that this damage was caused over a hundred miles away from the worst hit places. I have to go home to Baton Rouge sometime this week, whenever my work and/or LSU get power and open again, to see if I even still have a home. I can't find out now because there are no phone lines available between here and there. Homes, businesses, schools, and historical landmarks have been damaged and destroyed. People have been affected in many ways, from having to pack there belongings and leave there homes hoping they have homes to go back to when this is over to being killed, all because of Gustav. I suppose we were lucky Gustav "did very little". The Republicans, the Democrats, and you can all take your precious politics and shove them right up your asses.

I stand corrected. Sorry, the way it's being reported is that it declined quicklky in strength and veered away from heavily populated areas and did not do much damage.

TVeblen

09-03-2008, 08:23 PM

I only feel the tiniest bit of empathy for Republicans because hey, it ain't like their principles just got prostituted yesterday. The GOP sold out to the crazies and fundies 8 years ago. Lies and hate work, BIG lies are even better and screw actually governing. Republicans now stand for throwing money around like confetti and twisting the Constitution into a theocracy.

They may win. There are a hell of lot of greedy, stupid, racist, arrogant shits in this country. Shrub/Rove established appealing to the absolute nastiest, lowest common denominator in people--and it worked. A lot of people are cheering McCain the 'maverick', crackwhore Cindy Lou the trophy wife and of course Creationist Barbie.

It should all be laughable, especially since McCain got well grilled by Shrub's scorched earth politicking. His resolve to run an ethical campaign didn't last long. He's just another neocon whore. He'll do anything, say anything, be anything, no matter how scummy, if it will get him elected.

Know what I really hate? McCain could have chosen Olympia Snowe of Maine, or Kay Baily Hutchinson, both women with massive experience and integrity to burn. But who does he choose? The creationist soccer mom with zero experience but who loves guns. He could have tried to pull the party back from the dregs. So much for Mr. Maverick.

Cervaise

09-03-2008, 08:57 PM

The GOP sold out to the crazies and fundies 8 years ago.Eight years? Seems like the whole thing started with Goldwater and the sale was mostly complete when Reagan was inaugurated. Just because the Bible thumbers were finally invited to select the White House drapes in 2000 doesn't mean the sellout wasn't largely effected years before.

TVeblen

09-03-2008, 09:07 PM

Eight years? Seems like the whole thing started with Goldwater and the sale was mostly complete when Reagan was inaugurated. Just because the Bible thumbers were finally invited to select the White House drapes in 2000 doesn't mean the sellout wasn't largely effected years before.
From everything I've read, Goldwater paid fundamentalists scant attention. Reagan was the one who deliberately let that genie out of the bottle. His courting of Jerry Falwell and similar bottomfeeders was an integral part of the 'Regan Revolution'.

Of course Reagan was just a facile whore. Goldwater, for all this faults, wasn't. He was sort of the Truman of the Republican party but he wasn't lucky enough to slide sideways into office.

Sitnam

09-03-2008, 09:24 PM

The forces at work that drove McCain to make the ill considered pick of Vice President in the first place are entirely the fault of the party itself. The party will not allow a course change of any kind in their ideology, and were uncomfortable with McCain for that reason in the first place. When it was revealed to the powerful conservative base that he wasn't going to go with Mittens or Pawlenty but instead his close friend and abortion tolerating Lieberman they went ape and threatened a riot at the RNC. Palin is a wad of gum on a breaking dam.

Gustav is bad press because it reminds America of just what a clusterfuck the Republican party made of the last hurricane.

Sorry, my heart bleeds cold kool-aid for them.

Cervaise

09-03-2008, 11:53 PM

From everything I've read, Goldwater paid fundamentalists scant attention.That's true. However, he pushed the party rightward, and deliberately marginalized the moderates. This set the stage for the deal with the crosswaving devil that followed. He certainly didn't pander to the religionists himself, but the party's slide began with him.

papaw

09-04-2008, 12:28 AM

It was inferred that Republicans were evil.

Maastricht

09-04-2008, 12:40 AM

Hurricane Gustav comes roaring in and causes them to tamp down and virtually cancel the first day of the Republican convention
.Which shows that God, at the very least, isn't voting Republican. Remember how, a couple weeks ago, Focus on the Family prayed for:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=479273
A Christian fundamentalist group is praying for a deluge to drown out Barack Obama at the Democratic National Convention in two weeks' time.

Focus on the Family is asking for "abundant, torrential" downpours to flood Denver and silence Senator Obama when he accepts the Democratic Party's presidential nomination on August 28.

"Would it be wrong to ask people to pray for rain of Biblical proportions," asks an umbrella wielding Stuard Shepard in a video put out by the ultra conservative evangelical group. He asks for the rain to start "two minutes before the acceptance speech begins."
Can anyone point me to an interview with these deluded people about if they want to rethink the notion that Godis their personal Republican errand boy?

Starving Artist

09-04-2008, 01:17 AM

Which shows that God, at the very least, isn't voting Republican. Remember how, a couple weeks ago, Focus on the Family prayed for:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=479273

Can anyone point me to an interview with these deluded people about if they want to rethink the notion that Godis their personal Republican errand boy?What difference does it make. They're a small group of crackpots, most of whom aren't really in agreement anyway. At any rate they're hardly representative of mainstream Christianity or Christians themselves.

Need I point out that Michael Moore (facetiously, I'm sure) has claimed hurricanes during the Republican convention prove God exists?

Crackpots exist on both sides of the spectrum. They are exceptions and don't prove the rule.

Starving Artist

09-04-2008, 01:19 AM

Know what I really hate? McCain could have chosen Olympia Snowe of Maine, or Kay Baily Hutchinson, both women with massive experience and integrity to burn.How do you know they weren't approached and either turned it down (understandable, given today's media climate) or perhaps didn't survive the vetting process?

Not that I'm saying Palin's a bad pick (which I'm not), I just don't think it necessarily follows that more well-known female conservatives weren't approached for the job.

TVeblen

09-04-2008, 07:22 AM

How do you know they weren't approached and either turned it down (understandable, given today's media climate) or perhaps didn't survive the vetting process?

Right. Experienced Republicans would be discouraged right out of the #2 spot because of the evil liberal media. Now they might have been a bit put off by Shrub's historically horrible approval ratings. You know, the fact that so many Americans--evil, freedom-hating liberals, no doubt--think that Shrub and his merry crew of crooks and incompetents have done a horrible job.

You know, Starving Artist, you're a stellar example of the neocon bloat. When in doubt, lie like a motherfucker, go on the offensive and blame somebody else. You really are a contemptible, dishonest little cunt. You aren't worth another second of my time or attention.

Biggirl

09-04-2008, 08:02 AM

And how sad is it that the evil, nasty, mean media is no longer bringing McCain donuts and paling around with him? Liberal attack dog Peggy Noonan and Democratic cheerleader Mike Murphy * whispering to each other how the McCain campaign is so over when they think no one is listening. See the bias!

*For the uniformed Mike Murphy is a McCain campaign advisor and Peggy Noonan a conservative commentator and former Reagan speech writer.

Biggirl

09-04-2008, 08:37 AM

Transcript of the trash talking, for those interested. (http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/transcript_of_noonanmurphygate.php)

The Walking Dude

09-04-2008, 09:45 AM

I stand corrected. Sorry, the way it's being reported is that it declined quicklky in strength and veered away from heavily populated areas and did not do much damage.

Don't fret about it. I just saw your post and went a bit crazy. Gustav's worst effects were felt in Baton Rouge. The New Orleans metro area would have had more deaths, but we took the warning from Katrina. Of the 1.1 million people in the area, only about 10,000 stayed. Either way, it wasn't your fault you weren't aware of the situation. The media didn't get what they wanted out of Gustav, so they dropped it in a hurry. Either way, now you are more informed and I'm sorry I went off on you. Lots of tornadoes yesterday made it a stressful day.

Shodan

09-04-2008, 10:41 AM

Right. Experienced Republicans would be discouraged right out of the #2 spot because of the evil liberal media. Nah - anybody McCain picks would be excoriated by the SDMB, if for no other reason than accepting the job.

Who was that CNN bitch who was arguing that Palin was a bad mother because she accepted the VP slot, knowing that the MSM would attack her family? This was accompanied with close-ups of Palin's daughter, just to be sure that the 17 year old girl was front and center.

Then when the McCain spokesman called her on it, she basically just shrugged her shoulders like nobody had any right to expect that the media wouldn't trash the families of whoever got the Republican nod.

Regards,
Shodan

Great Dave

09-04-2008, 11:12 AM

Nah - anybody McCain picks would be excoriated by the SDMB, if for no other reason than accepting the job.

Who was that CNN bitch who was arguing that Palin was a bad mother because she accepted the VP slot, knowing that the MSM would attack her family? This was accompanied with close-ups of Palin's daughter, just to be sure that the 17 year old girl was front and center.

Then when the McCain spokesman called her on it, she basically just shrugged her shoulders like nobody had any right to expect that the media wouldn't trash the families of whoever got the Republican nod.

Regards,
Shodan

Don't think that everyone has forgotten all the jokes from Rush, all my GOP friends, et al, about Chelsea in the early '90s. Just like the GOP to find morals when it helps them politically.

Palin's daughter has become an issue not because she's pregnant (that's merely gossip) but because Palin and the GOP have been all about "abstinence only" sex-ed, and Bristol's situation shows that not only is that a flawed strategy, (yet another faith-based, anti-science position that Bush has made GOP doctrine), but the hypocrisy of people who take that position.

Starving Artist

09-04-2008, 11:25 AM

Right. Experienced Republicans would be discouraged right out of the #2 spot because of the evil liberal media. Oh, please. Even Campbell Brown on CNN has castigated Palin for accepting the nomination and thereby putting her daughter in the spotlight of the voracious media coverage that was sure to follow. And how many times around here I read that quality people can be discouraged from seeking office because of the media gauntlet they'd have to endure?
Now they might have been a bit put off by Shrub's historically horrible approval ratings. You know, the fact that so many Americans--evil, freedom-hating liberals, no doubt--think that Shrub and his merry crew of crooks and incompetents have done a horrible job. McCain/Palin are not "Shrub".

You know, Starving Artist, you're a stellar example of the neocon bloat. When in doubt...Doubt about what? ...lie like a motherfucker...Lie about what, exactly?...go on the offensiveAgain, about what. All my comments have been reactive. and blame somebody else. I'm not 'blaming' anybody for anything; I'm just calling them as I see them. You really are a contemptible, dishonest little cunt. I'm not little. You aren't worth another second of my time or attention.Wow, Palin's really got people worked up around here, doesn't she? The fear is palpable (and evident in posts like yours lately), where observations I've been making for years around here are setting off tinder boxes everywhere they appear.

Most interesting.

Starving Artist

09-04-2008, 11:33 AM

Don't think that everyone has forgotten all the jokes from Rush, all my GOP friends, et al, about Chelsea in the early '90s. Just like the GOP to find morals when it helps them politically. I don't know about your friends, but Limbaugh told one joke and it backfired badly, costing him many listeners (and watchers, as he had a t.v. program also at the time). I was one of them.

Palin's daughter has become an issue not because she's pregnant (that's merely gossip) but because Palin and the GOP have been all about "abstinence only" sex-ed...So what? Lots of parents believe their kids shouldn't take drugs. Does it speak badly of that moral belief if their kids become drug addicts? Does it speak of hypocrisy? Does it make them unsuited to work or lobby for anti-drug measures?

Cervaise

09-04-2008, 01:56 PM

Palin's daughter has become an issue not because she's pregnant (that's merely gossip) but because Palin and the GOP have been all about "abstinence only" sex-ed, and Bristol's situation shows that not only is that a flawed strategy, (yet another faith-based, anti-science position that Bush has made GOP doctrine), but the hypocrisy of people who take that position.I'm an Obama voter, but I can't go along with this argument. There is enough reason to condemn abstinence-only sex education — i.e., it fails solely on its own empirically demonstrated lack of merit — without needing to drag the personal lives of its boosters into the debate.

elfkin477

09-04-2008, 06:49 PM

It's clearly a sign that God favors the Democrats. After all, God starts with a G, and so does Gustav, and whenever a hurricane hits the Gulf Coast it's an incarnation of God's will. Yes, I am certain of this. :D
I knew it! I knew Michael Moore (http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20080830000004.aspx) was a poster! You're a real asshole, Mike, know that?

I feel bad for the democrats. This is going to be the third time in a row they fail to figure out until too late that no matter how enthusiastic a lot of "their" people are for the candidate, it's not going to get them to get off the couch and actually vote. Then they'll have to claim that McCain stole the election somehow, because they fail to comprehend how people are too lazy to get their butts to the polls. I bet a lot more democrats would vote if you could do it by phone or text like on American Idol.

I almost want to pat them on their little heads because they think people will actually vote more this time. Given so many didn't bother to come out enough to get rid of the hated Bush the last time, what makes them think they'll vote against someone they don't hate nearly as much this time?