Man... Linda Hamilton's looking a bit rough for 52!

[astro]

Wow! (http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tmz.com/media/2008/09/0924_linda_hamilton_reveal.jpg)

[Oslo Ostragoth]

:eek:

[GuanoLad]

She looks like a 52 year old woman who has spent a lifetime being fit and sinewy and tanned, has had no "work done", and currently has a facial expression that is exaggeratedly emphasising her wrinkles.

[lissener]

She looks like a 52 year old woman who has spent a lifetime being fit and sinewy and tanned, has had no "work done", and currently has a facial expression that is exaggeratedly emphasising her wrinkles.

What I was gonna say. This kind of misogyny is exactly why it's so hard for women to find decent roles in Hollywood movies. After a narrow window of maximum doability, the audience demands either plastic surgery or seclusion.

Major props to Hamilton for NOT getting plastic surgery: it never makes you look younger, it only makes you look like an old lady who can afford plastic surgery. I recently watched Season Four of The Shield. Glenn Close is an adequate actor, but she's playing a tough-broad police captain . . . with plastic surgery scars? Wrong. Linda Hamilton is probably not the actor that Close is, but she'd've been more convincing as a career cop than Close was.

[foolsguinea]

She looks quite decent for 52. I'm in my mid-thirties, & have some lines in my face to do that with.

[BigBertha]

She looks like she has a personality. Not like shes peering out from a mask that looks like everyone elses corrective face.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

I find it refreshing to see a Hollywood actress anymore who is willing to age naturally instead of getting a bunch of grotesque plastic surgery and botox injections. Have you seen Cher lately? Eep.

[DMark]

Met Linda Hamilton during the heyday of Terminator...quite a wild story, but suffice it to say, she is really a wonderful, kind woman and we were all happy she divorced that jerk director of Titanic.

[Dunderman]

I'll be very happy if I look that good when I'm 52.

[WhyNot]

What I was gonna say. This kind of misogyny is exactly why it's so hard for women to find decent roles in Hollywood movies. After a narrow window of maximum doability, the audience demands either plastic surgery or seclusion.

Major props to Hamilton for NOT getting plastic surgery: it never makes you look younger, it only makes you look like an old lady who can afford plastic surgery. I recently watched Season Four of The Shield. Glenn Close is an adequate actor, but she's playing a tough-broad police captain . . . with plastic surgery scars? Wrong. Linda Hamilton is probably not the actor that Close is, but she'd've been more convincing as a career cop than Close was.
Let's not go overboard here. Yes, it'd be great if we expanded our notion of what attractive women look like. Yes, we should embrace the normal aging process. But that's not normal aging - that's a shitload of sundamaged overaged skin brought on by her tanning choices as a younger actor - when she was perfectly willing to damage her body to meet the aesthetic appeal of her day. Add in her longtime smoking habit, and she set herself up.

This is NOT what 52 is supposed to look like, folks. Sure, Cher isn't either, but both ends of the spectrum are to be lamented when brought on by dangerous hobbies.

[devilsknew]

Let's not go overboard here. Yes, it'd be great if we expanded our notion of what attractive women look like. Yes, we should embrace the normal aging process. But that's not normal aging - that's a shitload of sundamaged overaged skin brought on by her tanning choices as a younger actor - when she was perfectly willing to damage her body to meet the aesthetic appeal of her day. Add in her longtime smoking habit, and she set herself up.

This is NOT what 52 is supposed to look like, folks. Sure, Cher isn't either, but both ends of the spectrum are to be lamented when brought on by dangerous hobbies.

I think it was the Anti Depressants and the Steroids.

[Atomicflea]

Much respect to Linda Hamilton, who is an attractive woman (http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Profiles/20061005/244.hamilton.linda.100506.jpg) who was photographed sans makeup and obviously not making the most flattering face. I don't know who would look their best in that situation. Still, She's not on a par with Angela Basset, whose face strangely never ages, but certainly Helen Mirren.

As for her aging "hard", she's a woman who suffers from bipolar disorder who self-medicated for years with drugs and alcohol, by her own admission. I'm sure it must take its toll, but she's actually held up really well. Her body still rocks, and she rates pretty high on askmen (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images.askmen.com/women/actress_150/188_linda_hamiltonlarge_image-1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://uk.askmen.com/celebs/women/actress_150/188_linda_hamilton.html&h=490&w=376&sz=55&hl=en&start=50&um=1&usg=__wGKcNx0dXgyR1khHgbfAvzzYqO4=&tbnid=VnTbqEJ461sl_M:&tbnh=130&tbnw=100&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlinda%2Bhamilton%2B2008%26start%3D40%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN).

[devilsknew]

Oh yeah, it couldn't possibly be from medically approved pharmaceuticals....:rolleyes:

Must have been all those bad choices she made.

[Jolly Roger]

Much respect to Linda Hamilton, who is an attractive woman (http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Profiles/20061005/244.hamilton.linda.100506.jpg) who was photographed sans makeup and obviously not making the most flattering face. I don't know who would look their best in that situation. Still, She's not on a par with Angela Basset, whose face strangely never ages, but certainly Helen Mirren.

As for her aging "hard", she's a woman who suffers from bipolar disorder who self-medicated for years with drugs and alcohol, by her own admission. I'm sure it must take its toll, but she's actually held up really well. Her body still rocks, and she rates pretty high on askmen (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images.askmen.com/women/actress_150/188_linda_hamiltonlarge_image-1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://uk.askmen.com/celebs/women/actress_150/188_linda_hamilton.html&h=490&w=376&sz=55&hl=en&start=50&um=1&usg=__wGKcNx0dXgyR1khHgbfAvzzYqO4=&tbnid=VnTbqEJ461sl_M:&tbnh=130&tbnw=100&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlinda%2Bhamilton%2B2008%26start%3D40%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN).

Well, people age and even the most attractive 20 to 30 somethings may not look as hot when they hit their 50's. I will admit though as a teenager I thought Linda Hamilton was smokin' hot in The Terminator.....especially the love scene.

[WhyNot]

Oh yeah, it couldn't possibly be from medically approved pharmaceuticals....:rolleyes:

Must have been all those bad choices she made.
Can I have a cite for known skin damage caused by medically approved pharmaceuticals that causes more damage than sun and smoking?

[GuanoLad]

But that's not normal aging - that's a shitload of sundamaged overaged skin brought on by her tanning choices as a younger actorBut it's not abnormal aging. And it's not necessarily even a bad thing. Everybody's different, and there's no point in being disappointed in or insulting towards her just because she got a bit wrinkly a little prematurely than some people (and not as prematurely as other people).

If you held her up against a group of ordinary average 52 year old women, I don't think there'd be anything to be upset at her over, but much to admire her for.

[devilsknew]

There are studies...but I can't link or quote a cite. Linda is just old enough to start having some observational data on the effect of long term use of modern SSRI anti-depressants. They have been around for a relatively short time...

The steroid use is presumptive of me, but certain kinds of steroids can have oxidative effects, especially in combination with factor x.

[WhyNot]

But it's not abnormal aging.
I think it is. There's significant elastin loss there, even accounting for the expression, in a women who is, statistically speaking, perimenopausal at best. That's not normal. IANADermatologist, of course, but I've seen a lot of 52 year old women without makeup, and the only ones with that level of skin damage were sun worshippers and smokers.

If we can get a dermatologist in here to claim that's normal aging, I'll back off, but until then I'm using that picture to show my kids why they need to wear sunscreen and never take up smoking.

[PunditLisa]

Unflattering, unretouched picture of a woman in her 50's.

I had to laugh when I saw a cover of Diane Lane this week. She is a beautiful woman, but she's in her 40's and has crows feet, etc. BFD. She'd been airbrushed so that her skin looked flawless. How ridiculous that we can have a woman be a serious contender for President, yet magazine editors still feel the need to airbrush perfectly beautiful women.

[PunditLisa]

I think it is. There's significant elastin loss there, even accounting for the expression, in a women who is, statistically speaking, perimenopausal at best.

Smoking + sun + no body fat (esp. after rapid weight loss) = sagging skin.

Most women her age sunbathed all the time. They're the Farrah Fawcett generation.

[Kalhoun]

Met Linda Hamilton during the heyday of Terminator...quite a wild story, but suffice it to say, she is really a wonderful, kind woman and we were all happy she divorced that jerk director of Titanic.

That hideous divorce may be why she looks a little rough around the edges. I'd kill for her body...I can't tell if she kept up the workout from that picture, but jayzuz...just beautiful.

[WhyNot]

Smoking + sun + no body fat (esp. after rapid weight loss) = sagging skin.
Exactly. Not normal aging. Aging in the presence of sun and smoke - dude, she smoked herself like a country ham!
Most women her age sunbathed all the time. They're the Farrah Fawcett generation.
LOL. No, actually Fawcett (Feb, 1947) has a decade on Hamilton (Sept, 1956). Hamilton's teenage years, I can't really blame her for, but she continued smoking and suntanning long after we all knew it wasn't good for you. The tanning was likely under pressure to conform to Hollywood ideals, and the smoking may have been as well (to stay thin). And those things shouldn't be ignored any more than anorexic starlets should be today. We should be aware that this is what happens when you do dangerous things to your body in the name of sex appeal and then don't cover it up with plastic surgery down the line.

[BMalion]

I find her quite attractive.

Looks as if she has a personality and some interesting life experiences.

I like that.

[twickster]

I'm 53, have done more than my share of tanning, smoked two packs a day for 20 years (though I did quit in '99), do not wear make-up, am perimenopausal, and have not had plastic surgery. Oh, and I'm a feminist, and have no problem with women who look their age -- I am one of them.

I just spent five minutes making faces in the mirror, and could not come up with anything close to that level of shar-pei-ery.

[PharmBoy]

There are studies...but I can't link or quote a cite. Linda is just old enough to start having some observational data on the effect of long term use of modern SSRI anti-depressants. They have been around for a relatively short time...

The steroid use is presumptive of me, but certain kinds of steroids can have oxidative effects, especially in combination with factor x.

Nonsense.

[Chefguy]

Her looks are age-appropriate for someone who spent a lot of time outdoors, IMO. Not everybody ages the same, nor does their skin react the same to smoking, sun, etc.

[Spoke]

She definitely has "smoker's face."

That's not attractive, but still better than plastic surgery and botox.

[dropzone]

I'll be very happy if I look that good when I'm 52.Really? I saw her and thought how glad I am that my wife and I didn't look that old when we were her age. In normal-person, not Hollywood, terms, she looks ten years older than she is.

[HelloKitty]

Seems to me to be more of a bad-angle, bad-lighting photograph.

[dropzone]

No, she was looking rode-hard-and-put-away-wet when she made T2, 17 years ago.

[Don't fight the hypothetical]

I'd most surely do her. I think she's attractive.

[Justin_Bailey]

No, she was looking rode-hard-and-put-away-wet when she made T2, 17 years ago.

Agreed. She looked at least a decade older than the 34 she was when that was shot and well older than the 29 the character was supposed to be.

[Atomicflea]

I'm 53, have done more than my share of tanning, smoked two packs a day for 20 years (though I did quit in '99), do not wear make-up, am perimenopausal, and have not had plastic surgery. Oh, and I'm a feminist, and have no problem with women who look their age -- I am one of them.

I just spent five minutes making faces in the mirror, and could not come up with anything close to that level of shar-pei-ery.Call your parents and thank them for your genes. My best friend smoked, and she had crow's feet and those parenthetical wrinkles on either side of her mouth by the time we were both 25. You lucked out, but cigarette smoke is horribly drying.

[Scubaqueen]

I'll be very happy if I look that good when I'm 52.

i am 52. :p
i'd like to be linda hamilton just for the body!

[twickster]

Call your parents and thank them for your genes. My best friend smoked, and she had crow's feet and those parenthetical wrinkles on either side of her mouth by the time we were both 25. You lucked out, but cigarette smoke is horribly drying.

I'm not saying I don't have laugh lines around my eyes, and smile lines around my mouth, and "I raise my eyebrows a lot" lines on my forehead -- I'm just saying that even when I grimace, it ain't as bad as the photo in the OP.

[teela brown]

I'm not saying I don't have laugh lines around my eyes, and smile lines around my mouth, and "I raise my eyebrows a lot" lines on my forehead -- I'm just saying that even when I grimace, it ain't as bad as the photo in the OP.

Ditto for me. I'm 52 and went to look at myself in the mirror just now. I'm not one-tenth as wrinkly as Linda. Then again, I left off sunbathing a good couple of decades ago and I've never smoked.

[The Batman]

My 50 year old mother, 78 yer old grandmother and 67 year old neighbor don't even remotely look as worn down as she does there. Nor do 90% of the people I've met that are over 50.

She doesn't look good or graceful, she looks like a barfly.

But, I will admit she doesn't have to measure up to anyone's standards as long as she's happy with how she looks. If I were her I would also prefer to look older than I am rather than go under the knife because I'm afraid of what people will think of me.

[Skald the Rhymer]

What I was gonna say. This kind of misogyny is exactly why it's so hard for women to find decent roles in Hollywood movies. After a narrow window of maximum doability, the audience demands either plastic surgery or seclusion.


It's not misogyny. It's shallow objectivation, but not misogyny. You may wish to purchase a dictionary, as it might help you learn the difference in the definitions.

[Hazle Weatherfield]

I did a search earlier today and checked out what seemed to be fairly recent photos. Looks to me like the photo referenced catches her at an extremely bad moment/angle. Yes, she looks a little rough (but still awesome,) but nowhere near the vicinity portrayed by that photo.

[lissener]

It's not misogyny. It's shallow objectivation, but not misogyny. You may wish to purchase a dictionary, as it might help you learn the difference in the definitions.

No, it's misogyny, because this kind of "looksism" or whatever is far more frequently applied to women than to men.

[Skald the Rhymer]

No, it's misogyny, because this kind of "looksism" or whatever is far more frequently applied to women than to men.

So what?

Misogyny is the hatred of women. OBJECTIFYING women in an offensive fashion is not the same as hating them; moreover, not all objectifyng is the same.

In a little while I will leave her to go meet Kim at Denny's; over dinner, she will do her homework while I work on my novel, or pretend to. While we eat I will admire her lovely hands, her beautiful wrists, her perfectly wonderful collarbones. This will make me quite happy, and I will be appreciating her not for her aphysical attributes -- her wit, her charm, her occasional bitchiness -- but on a purely physical level. That is objectification.

While we eat, it is entirely possible that Kim will nudge me, or I her, to point out someone passing by who is nice eye candy. Neither I nor she will know a damn thing about the person; that too is objectification.

Later this week, on date night, we may watch a movie. We will doubtlessly say cruel, catty things about people in the movie. If Jessica Alba is in the movie, we may hurt oursevels by debating how many cookies she would need to become attractive. That is objectivation too.

None of that is hate. By equating lookism with misogyny, you water down the meaning of the word in a way that makes me suspect your true intent is to be contrary, not incisive. Of couse, I could easily be wrong. That happens from time to time.

[lissener]

So what?

Misogyny is the hatred of women. OBJECTIFYING women in an offensive fashion is not the same as hating them; moreover, not all objectifyng is the same.

In a little while I will leave her to go meet Kim at Denny's; over dinner, she will do her homework while I work on my novel, or pretend to. While we eat I will admire her lovely hands, her beautiful wrists, her perfectly wonderful collarbones. This will make me quite happy, and I will be appreciating her not for her aphysical attributes -- her wit, her charm, her occasional bitchiness -- but on a purely physical level. That is objectification.

While we eat, it is entirely possible that Kim will nudge me, or I her, to point out someone passing by who is nice eye candy. Neither I nor she will know a damn thing about the person; that too is objectification.

Later this week, on date night, we may watch a movie. We will doubtlessly say cruel, catty things about people in the movie. If Jessica Alba is in the movie, we may hurt oursevels by debating how many cookies she would need to become attractive. That is objectivation too.

None of that is hate. By equating lookism with misogyny, you water down the meaning of the word in a way that makes me suspect your true intent is to be contrary, not incisive. Of couse, I could easily be wrong. That happens from time to time.
Um . . . by judging a woman solely on her looks and not on her accomplishments, etc., you demean and diminish her. That's misogyny. That's like when what's his name, the racist cop from the OJ case, goes, "I'm not racist, I've slept with black women." Yeah . . . that means every white southern slaveowner who raped one of his slaves was thereby not a racist.

Sorry dude, just because you find women attractive doesn't mean you can't be a misogynist.

[Anaamika]

Part of it is the atrocious sunglasses and the bad hairstyle. And the bad angle.

The rest of it, put me with WhyNot, it's sun.

Skald the Rhymer, would it be OK if you stopped hijacking threads to argue over the definition of a word? It's annoying. Thanks.

[Baker]

I'm 53, have done more than my share of tanning, smoked two packs a day for 20 years (though I did quit in '99), do not wear make-up, am perimenopausal, and have not had plastic surgery. Oh, and I'm a feminist, and have no problem with women who look their age -- I am one of them

Yep, twin, I know exactly how old YOU are!:D

[Cisco]

Um . . . by judging a woman solely on her looks and not on her accomplishments, etc., you demean and diminish her. That's misogyny.
Come on, that is extreme. We are visual animals. Anyone who says they don't judge people first by their looks is lying or politically correct to the point of self-detriment. If you are lost in the wrong neighborhood, who are you going to approach to ask for directions - these guys (http://www.zonezero.com/exposiciones/fotografos/rodriguez/37.jpeg) or this guy (http://www.resumeretreat.com/content/Businessman%202.jpg). Make that decision honestly and then tell me how you made it based on something other than looks. And then tell me it's impossible to apply that same thinking - to a reasonable extent, in a responsible and intellectually honest way - in other parts of your life.

Once you get to know someone it'd be ridiculous to judge them on their looks but when looks are all you know about someone (the girl walking past Skald the Rhymer, for instance), it'd be ridiculous to judge them based on anything else.

[Skald the Rhymer]

lissener? Yoo hoo! Come over here for a minute--we have ice cream! (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=485063)

[mariposalabrown]

[QUOTE=Cisco;10242929]Come on, that is extreme. We are visual animals. Anyone who says they don't judge people first by their looks is lying or politically correct to the point of self-detriment. If you are lost in the wrong neighborhood, who are you going to approach to ask for directions - these guys (http://www.zonezero.com/exposiciones/fotografos/rodriguez/37.jpeg) or this guy (http://www.resumeretreat.com/content/Businessman%202.jpg). QUOTE]


To be honest, I think I'd rather ask the guys in the first picture for directions, because those slick handsome guys in the suits tend to be the biggest slimeballs. :)

Really, though, I don't see a problem with that original picture. That's just a bad picture, and other pictures of her recently don't look bad. She is still a gorgeous woman, and this is coming from a 28 year old who wouldn't mind looking like that at 52. Although, I think I should probably quit smoking right about now.

I'm kind of new here. Why did that quote not turn out all pretty like everyone else's? I must have deleted something important. I apologize.

[twickster]

I'm kind of new here. Why did that quote not turn out all pretty like everyone else's? I must have deleted something important. I apologize.

You're missing the opening square brackets before the /quote.

Welcome!

[Cisco]

To be honest, I think I'd rather ask the guys in the first picture for directions, because those slick handsome guys in the suits tend to be the biggest slimeballs. :)

So you'd walk up to members of La eMe and remove all doubt that you're in the wrong fucking hood, ese, by admitting to them you're lost? I hope you don't have anything valuable on you, such as a wallet, nice watch, or unbruised liver.

[Cisco]

You know what, sorry about the hijack. I see this side-discussion has started a fight and I'm not interested in that. Back to Linda Hamilton, who looks pretty rough for 52 in that picture. I don't know if it's just a bad picture or what, but my mom is 52 and looks a damn sight younger than Linda does in that pic.

[Caprese]

Like Twickster and others, I am early-to-mid 50's, menopausal, have done my share of suntanning, and immediately went to a mirror to check myself out.
I've definitely got the crow's feet, some might call them eagle's feet.
But the other wrinkles, not so much, esp the forehead, which stayed smooth no matter how much I scrunched it up.
Having said that, more power to Linda for doing and being what she wants.
I agree with Lissener that people who have "work done" really do not look younger.
They just look like people who have had work done.

[Carson O'Genic]

I don't see how conclusion can be reached regarding sun exposure or tobacco use. My wife is that age, similar wrinkles. She's a non-smoking fitness buff, uses tanning lotion with an SPF = asphalt the few days she gets to the beach. Her nonagenarian grandmother was the same. My MIL had few wrinkles and smoked.
BTW if you think that's rough be prepared for attitude adjustments or cognitive dissonance.

[Justin_Bailey]

I don't see how conclusion can be reached regarding sun exposure or tobacco use. My wife is that age, similar wrinkles. She's a non-smoking fitness buff, uses tanning lotion with an SPF = asphalt the few days she gets to the beach. Her nonagenarian grandmother was the same. My MIL had few wrinkles and smoked.

I'd imagine we know these things because Linda Hamilton has admitted to them in interviews several times.

[dropzone]

Having said that, more power to Linda for doing and being what she wants.
I agree with Lissener that people who have "work done" really do not look younger.
They just look like people who have had work done.I am in absolute agreement, and I doubt Ms Hamilton would prefer my supple, moist, barely-wrinkled skin considering the price she'd pay. The cheeseburger diet has a lot going for it, but keeping a boyish figure (which she had in T2 and I had, um, never) is not one of them.

Did she take steroids to get that amount of definition?

[Cat Whisperer]

My 66 year old mother isn't that wrinkled. At almost 42, I have yet to develop a wrinkle. It's simply genetics, combined with lifestyle choices (neither my mom nor I smoked or sunbathed). Linda lost that genetic lottery, and made bad choices for looking good longer. Let me add my voice to the chorus that says older women look great without all the surgery, though (and they look pretty damned funny with it). Linda looks just fine to me. As I age, I find that wrinkles really do add character to people's faces; young people are starting to look suspiciously smooth to me. :)

[Spoke]

No, it's misogyny, because this kind of "looksism" or whatever is far more frequently applied to women than to men.
Judging from the link in the OP, looks like Fred Schneider is next up for scrutiny based on his current looks.

Fred, for those not familar with him, is a man.

Carson O'Genic, I still call smoking lines on Linda Hamilton. She has the same tell-tale lines around her mouth and eyes I have seen in every frequent smoker of a certain age.

[Toxylon]

That pic of Linda brought back memories of my eighth-grade teacher who was very petite, a vegetarian and quite a wholesome woman but also a tobacco fiend who smoked around three packs if cigarettes per day (her husband, also a teacher at my school was the same). She was extremely wrinkly for her age (late thirties), with skin that seemed tanned - in the leather sense - by the 20+ years of constant cigarette smoke. Very wrinkly around the mouth like Hamilton. I'm sure my ex-teacher is every bit as wrinkly as Hamilton now, and they're aged the same.

Flashback continues: the smell was just terrible when my teacher would stop by my desk to give instructions. Never since have I encountered such an overpowering fume of death coming from a clean, living person. I don't know if she ate the butts after inhaling the cigs to the filter or what.

[Carson O'Genic]

Carson O'Genic, I still call smoking lines on Linda Hamilton. She has the same tell-tale lines around her mouth and eyes I have seen in every frequent smoker of a certain age.

No quibble with that if she has a known history. I don't follow celebrity enough. It just seems some individuals were genetically shortchanged as to smooth skin, something that many women take personally. One of my personal failings to be irked about holding people to an arbitrary standard over which they have no control.