They're just snowboards, chill the fuck out already!

[bouv]

Being in Vermont, I have the "luxury" of getting bombarded constantly with news stories, op-ed pieces, and so forth about the current Burton "controversy." (http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20081028/NEWS02/81027040&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL)

Long story short: Burton made two new snowbard lines, called "Love" and "Primo." Love has pictures of vintage Playboty models on them (the most you can see is part of an ass,) and "Primo" has cartoonish self-mutilation. You can see them in a gallery in the news article.

Well, because of these boards, every whining little candy-ass cunt-douche is coming out of the woodwork to protest, complain, and otherwise be a God-damn fuck-nugget. "Won't someone think of the children" is the exact rallying cry used by these morons. Now, several ski mountains have banned their employees from using the boards while on duty, which is about as much as they can do. Because, God forbid some child saw part of a woman's ass...:rolleyes:

And then there's this:
The Love and Primo boards, part of Burton’s Coalition line, are sold only in “core” retailers and are a limited edition. Only 1,000 Love boards and fewer than 1,000 Primo boards were produced for the 2009 line. In a statement from the company earlier in the month, Burton expects the boards to become collector’s items and the likelihood of seeing one on the slopes is slim.

So less than 2000 of these...spread over the whole country. By the way these idiots were going on you'd think that Burton was forcing every snow boarder to buy one and shove it in their face.

I do applaud Burton, though, for not backing down and standing firm.
The Burton Playboy limited edition snowboards were created at the request of two of Burton’s professional snowboarders Mikkel Bang and Keegan Valaika. Both Burton and Playboy were founded on principles of individual freedom, and the collaboration has resulted in boards that reflect this attitude. The imagery on the boards is tastefully done, and we believe that they will be collector's items. The 1000 snowboards will be fully wrapped with an 18+ age disclaimer to purchase.

Burton has a long history of working with artists on snowboard graphics. When collaborating with an artist, Burton does not restrict the artist’s freedom of expression. The Primo graphic was created by world-renowned skate artist Todd Bratrud, who has worked on projects for such companies as Vans, Volcom and Flip Skateboards. Burton is proud to collaborate with artists like Todd.

The only downside is that a couple charities that Burton helped with have decided to stop working with Burton. They charities did find other sponsors, though, so it's not like they stopped entirely.

[Really Not All That Bright]

And they said Puritanism would never catch on.

[Interconnected Series of Tubes]

Oh no! ASSES! D:

[BubbaDog]

You're whining because an employer is telling its employees what is tasteful equipment to be used on its premises?

Shit that's horrible. Next thing you know some employers will be forcing their own guidelines about the types of clothing they expect their employees to wear while working!!!!

[Lord Ashtar]

Heh heh. "Chill out". Cause they're snowboards, and snow is cold.

[Q.E.D.]

You're whining because an employer is telling its employees what is tasteful equipment to be used on its premises?

Yeah, that's the sum total of the OP's complaint. :rolleyes:

[Gaudere]

I think the resorts are being entirely reasonable in banning the boards for their employees. It's like having a calendar of those playboy models in the customer waiting room. As a female boarder I wouldn't much like taking snowboard lessons from a guy with a giant naked woman on his board.

[Really Not All That Bright]

You're whining because an employer is telling its employees what is tasteful equipment to be used on its premises?

Shit that's horrible. Next thing you know some employers will be forcing their own guidelines about the types of clothing they expect their employees to wear while working!!!!
Ignoring the fact that that's hardly the OP's only gripe, that's analogous to a tattoo parlor requiring its employees to have only "tasteful" body art.

[Ogre]

Well, I suppose it's a damn good thing that snowboards, skateboards, and skis have no history whatsoever with displaying risque, weird, and countercultural art.

No history at all.

Seriously. WTF?

[tdn]

Ignoring the fact that that's hardly the OP's only gripe

Clue me in here -- what other gripes did he make? I must be missing something.

[Q.E.D.]

I must be missing something.

You are.
The only downside is that a couple charities that Burton helped with have decided to stop working with Burton.

[tdn]

You are.

OK, I guess there's that.

The thing is, people can be really funny about nudity. Whether or not we personally find it offensive, there will always be those that do. If a charity can lose credibility over something like that, then it hurts those who receive that charity. They can stick to their guns about the right to publicly display pootytang, but at what cost? It looks like they made a decision in the best interest of their charges.

[Really Not All That Bright]

I think the resorts are being entirely reasonable in banning the boards for their employees. It's like having a calendar of those playboy models in the customer waiting room. As a female boarder I wouldn't much like taking snowboard lessons from a guy with a giant naked woman on his board.
None of these boards have "giant naked women" on them. Per the OP, at worst you might catch a glimpse of half a buttcheek.

Anyway, the bottom of a snowboard is generally, you know, on some snow, and half the top is covered by boots and straps.

[Miller]

I think the resorts are being entirely reasonable in banning the boards for their employees. It's like having a calendar of those playboy models in the customer waiting room. As a female boarder I wouldn't much like taking snowboard lessons from a guy with a giant naked woman on his board.

Except that the boards don't feature any actual nudity, that's an extremely good point.

[Q.E.D.]

As a female boarder I wouldn't much like taking snowboard lessons from a guy with a giant naked woman on his board.

Well, to be fair, that's because you're uptight, not because you're female.

[villa]

Except that the boards don't feature any actual nudity, that's an extremely good point.

Private company chooses not to let employees display pin ups. Can't see the outrage here. If it were my company, I probably wouldn't draw the line where they have chosen to draw it, though if it was costing me significant business, I might. But they have made the business decision, which is their call to make.

[Gaudere]

Oh stuff it. Strapping a plank on your feet doesn't mean you can toss basic courtesy out the window. Look at these pics and tell me they'd be appropriate in a customer waiting room: http://www.zimbio.com/Burton+Snowboards/articles/2/Burton+Uses+Playboy+Models+Sell+Snowboards There's 5 million snowboarders out there, you're--WE'RE--not "counter culture". And you can ride your stupid naked women boards if you want, but if your employer can dictate that you wear a certain type of jacket they can darn well tell you not to have a naked woman on your board. Geez, what a bunch of whiners that some EMPLOYEES can't ride a certain limited-edition board that anyone with sense would know isn't appropriate at work.

[Contrapuntal]

I'm seeing a lot more than "part of an ass" in the picture on the far right.

[Alessan]

http://www.zimbio.com/Burton+Snowboards/articles/2/Burton+Uses+Playboy+Models+Sell+Snowboards

Wait... '80s playmates are now "vintage"?

Man, I'm old.

[Q.E.D.]

I'm seeing a lot more than "part of an ass" in the picture on the far right.
You are? Where?

[Miller]

Oh stuff it. Strapping a plank on your feet doesn't mean you can toss basic courtesy out the window. Look at these pics and tell me they'd be appropriate in a customer waiting room: http://www.zimbio.com/Burton+Snowboards/articles/2/Burton+Uses+Playboy+Models+Sell+Snowboards There's 5 million snowboarders out there, you're--WE'RE--not "counter culture". And you can ride your stupid naked women boards if you want, but if your employer can dictate that you wear a certain type of jacket they can darn well tell you not to have a naked woman on your board. Geez, what a bunch of whiners that some EMPLOYEES can't ride a certain limited-edition board that anyone with sense would know isn't appropriate at work.

I refer you again to the title of this thread.

[Dead Badger]

So half of the OP's complaint is daft, and the other half got resolved as the charities found other sponsors? I'm practically erect with rage.

Honestly, those of you saying "oh, but there's no nudity" - would your employer really be happy for you to have a 5 foot pinup in your office? Would you really win the argument with your boss by pointing out the lack of actual genitalia? Sometimes it seems people round here fall over themselves so much to be more-enlightened-than-thou that they forget we live in the real world.

Incidentally, Smugglers' Notch, one of the resorts that asked its employees not to use the boards, advertises itself as "#1 for Family programs in North America". Sounds like Playboy pinups are exactly the sort of thing they want their instructors sporting, then.

[Contrapuntal]

You are? Where?Right between the waist and upper thigh. ;)

Are we looking at the same picture? The one in Gaudere's link? I'm talking about the girl in the pink tank top on the far right. I see two butt cheeks and an asscrack. Don't you?

[Zebra]

Wait... '80s playmates are now "vintage"?

Man, I'm old.



It's like"hey I remember wanking to that girl!".

[Dead Badger]

The fact that some people actually managed to rustle up a whole protest is faintly hilarious, mind you. I particularly liked this photo (http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=BT&Date=20081023&Category=NEWS&ArtNo=810230803&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=9) of an apparently grown woman carrying a sign saying "I am a child, not a Playboy bunny."

If the OP had led with the stoopid protest (100 people, according to one of the gallery captions), the response might've been more positive. But then again, I find the fact that nutters are offended by scantily clad women even less surprising than the fact that family businesses don't want pinups at work. They're just idiots, chill the fuck out already.

[CalMeacham]

Agre with Contrapuntal here -- I see a complete ass.


Not that I'm complaining. But I can see some parents doing so when they have to explain this to their Impressionable Youngsters while waiting in line at the lift.


("Daddy -- I can see that lady's bare tushy."

"Shh. Don't point.")

[Q.E.D.]

I see two butt cheeks and an asscrack. Don't you?

I see one complete cheek, a crack and a partial cheek. That's part of an ass. :p

[muldoonthief]

The third board on the first pic in the gallery (standing in front of the tennis net) is Cheryl Bachman IIRC. If it's the same pic as her centerfold, there's visible nipple going on there too.

[ladyfoxfyre]

The thing is, of all the snowboards I've ever bought, after you put the bindings on and start boarding you can barely see anything on the board itself. It usually gets so covered in snow that it's irrelevant anyway. I also don't see anything offensive about it. It sucks that the slopes banned their employees from using them, but they were pretty obviously pressured into doing so by prudish idiots in the first place. And as far as the "would your employer be happy with a 5 foot pinup girl in your office" thing goes, from my experience the work culture at an office and the work culture at a ski resort are hardly comparable. YMMV.

[Telemark]

Burton is continually striving to push the envelope and create controversy because they are indeed mainstream. In the past several years they've tried to be edgy and regain the street cred they've lost over the years. It's not new and they were hoping to create controversy like this. They've done it in the past when they offered a reward for boarders to film themselves poaching runs a the remaining 4 (now 3) ski areas that don't allow boards. This is exactly the reaction they tried to create.

Frankly, there are lots of custom boards that would get an instructor or patroller told to swap their equipment or go home. The self-mutilation and moderately explicit graphics are not really new; the ski areas have dealt with this before.

There was a case a few years back when Rossignol created a ski that had a semi-hidden graphic of a woman getting her throat slit. I think it was the Scratch. It created quite a controversy, and essentially got those skis pulled in the US.

[Gatopescado]

Wait... '80s playmates are now "vintage"?

Man, I'm old.

I hear ya, man! I actually have 3 of those centerfolds from back in the day.

[Dead Badger]

And as far as the "would your employer be happy with a 5 foot pinup girl in your office" thing goes, from my experience the work culture at an office and the work culture at a ski resort are hardly comparable. YMMV.All right, all right; assuming for the sake of argument that ski resorts are completely different to any other place of business, how about we use our intelligence and try and think what might be in the interests of a company that explicitly advertises itself as a family tour operator. If you were running a place specifically trying to attract parents and small children, what would you want on your employees' boards?

If you can say with a straight face that you would be fine with large pictures of naked ladies, well, my hat's off to you; you are either excellent at poker, or are the former operator of the shortest-lived chain of creches since Gary Glitter's Krazy Kiddy Emporium.

[Bryan Ekers]

would your employer be happy with a 5 foot pinup girl in your office
Sure, if she could type.

[Eonwe]

There's 5 million snowboarders out there, you're--WE'RE--not "counter culture".



Incidentally, Smugglers' Notch, one of the resorts that asked its employees not to use the boards, advertises itself as "#1 for Family programs in North America". Sounds like Playboy pinups are exactly the sort of thing they want their instructors sporting, then.


These.

Being local to the issue, I think the public outrage at the very existence of these boards is a bit over the top. However, snowboarding is a mainstream commodity, and the 'rebel' image that maybe was real once is now just a thin veneer of marketing used to make companies money. If family is where the money is for the mountains, then the snowboard + apparel industry is going to feel pressure to be family friendly. I don't think there's anything wrong with this; it's just the inevitable conclusion when something counterculture becomes mainstream (when the rebels doing the evil deed become parents raising kids and working in cubicles).

[Heffalump and Roo]

Are we looking at the same picture? The one in Gaudere's link? I'm talking about the girl in the pink tank top on the far right. I see two butt cheeks and an asscrack. Don't you?
:D There's clearly something wrong when someone has to describe what an ass looks like.

[RTFirefly]

Wait... '80s playmates are now "vintage"?

Man, I'm old.Me, too.

Playboy was hot stuff in the 1960s, but by the 1980s pretty much everyone I know regarded it as kinda quaint.

[BellRungBookShut-CandleSnuffed]

It's like"hey I remember wanking to that girl!".
Yeah, it was yesterday!

Being local to the issue, I think the public outrage at the very existence of these boards is a bit over the top.

I think this was more of the issue that the OP brought up instead of the one of employee dress code that everyone else seemed to latch onto.

Well, because of these boards, every whining little candy-ass cunt-douche is coming out of the woodwork to protest, complain, and otherwise be a God-damn fuck-nugget. "Won't someone think of the children" is the exact rallying cry used by these morons. Now, several ski mountains have banned their employees from using the boards while on duty, which is about as much as they can do. Because, God forbid some child saw part of a woman's ass...

I saw this rant as much angrier about the whining and bitching that people are doing than the fact that some ski areas have banned their employees from using them. Maybe it's because to describe the people complaining, he used whining (1) little (2) candy-ass (3) cunt-douche (4) God-damn (5) fuck-nugget (6), and moron (7). To describe the ski areas setting up employee dress code, he used exactly... 0 insults.

All that said, I agree that businesses should be able to dictate employee dress code. I just don't think that was the main thrust of the OP. Let's read for comprehension before responding.

However, snowboarding is a mainstream commodity, and the 'rebel' image that maybe was real once is now just a thin veneer of marketing used to make companies money. If family is where the money is for the mountains, then the snowboard + apparel industry is going to feel pressure to be family friendly. I don't think there's anything wrong with this; it's just the inevitable conclusion when something counterculture becomes mainstream (when the rebels doing the evil deed become parents raising kids and working in cubicles).

Agreed. But it's just annoying (old argument warning) to see people so up in arms about the amount of nudity you might see on Fox during prime time.

[Guinastasia]

I thought "vintage pin-ups (http://www.thepinupfiles.com/)" meant art like Vargas Girls (http://www.thepinupfiles.com/vargas1.html) and the like. THEN you could find tasteful, yet slightly risque snowboards, I suppose. Or maybe say, I don't know, Betty Grable, or someone like that?

At the very least, these boards are insanely tacky.

[bouv]

I think this was more of the issue that the OP brought up instead of the one of employee dress code that everyone else seemed to latch onto.


It is. I mentioned the "dress code" thing as more of a side note. I know there really aren't that many protesters in the overall scheme of things, but they are very vocal, and it seems every damned day there is a news story, and a half-dozen letters to the editor, all of which say the same basic thing:
"These are offensive to women and what if a poor child saw it?"

Well...no, they aren't offensive to women. If these are offensive, I'd hate to see what those people would do if they found out about actual porn.

As for the children angle...Christ, you gotta cut the umbilical cord at some point! Look, at most it's just an ass. If a child asks his mommy or daddy "why is there a lady's bottom on that snowboard" just tell them it's because that particular person liked that particular snowboard. It's not like it's full-on hardcore porn.

[Muffin]

Excellent marketing ploy by Burton -- on target and on time for the new season sales.

Pathetic in terms of what the images convey, but excellent if disgusting marketing.

[DanBlather]

What if there was something really offensive on the snowboard? Like a picture of a snowboard punk neatly groomed and gainfully employed?

[Muffin]

Anyway, the bottom of a snowboard is generally, you know, on some snow, and half the top is covered by boots and straps.Nope. Youthful boarders have a very annoying habit of sitting on their asses in a line across the hill, blocking the hill, with their bases well exposed. Then when the youth get cold from spending so much time sitting in the snow on their asses, they go into the chalet to warm up, leaving their bases exposed on the board racks outside.

[Muffin]

I do applaud Burton, though, for not backing down and standing firm.That's laughable.

Look, it's all about marketing, not freedom of expression.

Burton wants to sell boards to the youth market. Youth as in rebels without a cause. The more Burton tests the bounds of what is sociallly acceptable, the more boards they will sell in the youth market, which is their primary market. To do this, they want to advertise themselves as being rebelious, an outsider, alienated, edgy, tough, challenging boundaries . . . so they lay down graphics that include nude women and illustrations of how to make vulgar gestures by amputating remaining fingers. The more noise Burton generates through such marketing, the more boards (regardless of graphics) it will sell. When a youth goes to his mother asking for a new board, he'll be whining for a Burton because he wants to be cool and independent just like his buddies who also have been trying to get their moms to buy them the unacceptable boards, so even though his mom will not buy the board with the graphics he wants, Burton will get the sale.

Ski resorts want to sell tickets, instruction, accomodation, etc., and it is mature adults who hold the family purse strings. They know that parents would prefer to have their children taught by instructors who do not advertise soft porn or self-amputation -- that's a no-brainer for the resorts. The more they provide a non-offensive environment, the more money adults and families will spend with them as opposed to going elsewhere. Although resorts enjoy a bit of edgy publicity (e.g. independent films in which a naked dude swings from a balcony, or a fellow hucks big air out of bounds, or X-cross racers collide . . .), the product that they offer is consciously mainstream, for they market to families and well-heeled adults. Since almost all resorts have learned that families include youth snowboarders, they tend to encourage snowboarding. Since they know that banning staff from riding on offensive snowboards while on duty will not reduce customer traffic at all, and may in fact offer a slight competitive advantage by not steering away any customers, they bann staff from using offensive boards while on duty.

Complaining about this is laughable, for it is all about marketing. The snowboarding youth are simply a very well defined market that both the board manufacturers and the the resorts are playing for all they are worth, each in their own way depending on how best they can maximize their profits.

[Muffin]

It's late October. The summer and fall are over. The weather sucks. Ski fever is near it peak, for the ski season is within sight.

Retailers are receiving their new stock, resorts are selling season passes, tech heads are cobbling together their gear, ski magazines are putting out their first issues for the year, and people are writing in to these magazines and to local rags about ski industry issues.

What better time could there be to deliberately create an issue that gets the word out about a particular brand?

[Telemark]

What better time could there be to deliberately create an issue that gets the word out about a particular brand?
Exactly. They've done this before, they'll do it again. When your major company is the IBM of snowboarding you need to do some odd things to remain edgy.

[Muffin]

The thing about lift-area skiing is that all the MILFs are suited up in ski suits, so you don't know who has a good body and who does not.

If the youth were to slide on boards in which the nudie graphics were of there own mothers rather than Playboy bunnies, that problem would be solved.

After all, if it is perfectly acceptable for youth to scoot about on nudie boards, there is no reason why the nudes should not be of one person rather than another person.

[Muffin]

Does any manufacturer put out a Walter Mondale nudie board?

[Freudian Slit]

None of these boards have "giant naked women" on them. Per the OP, at worst you might catch a glimpse of half a buttcheek.

Anyway, the bottom of a snowboard is generally, you know, on some snow, and half the top is covered by boots and straps.

Women covered by snow, boots and straps? :mad: That's degrading to them!




:D

[TVeblen]

Well...no, they aren't offensive to women. If these are offensive, I'd hate to see what those people would do if they found out about actual porn.

As for the children angle...Christ, you gotta cut the umbilical cord at some point! Look, at most it's just an ass. If a child asks his mommy or daddy "why is there a lady's bottom on that snowboard" just tell them it's because that particular person liked that particular snowboard. It's not like it's full-on hardcore porn.
Ah, bouv pronounces for the masses.

The boards don't offend me. I think they're butt-ugly but the images aren't the problem. It's the stupidity. If some guy thinks corporate images of semi-nude Playboy models and self-mutilation are really edgy and hip he's mostly labeled himself as a lame asshole. It's all just so right out there, so daring, so blatantly designed to set one aside from mainstream losers.

Yawn.

Those stupid damned boards aren't daring, edgy or artful. They're crude marketing ploys, aimed quite precisely at the loudly self-proclaimed 'rebel' element in the sport. They're expensive signs: I Am Apart From The Common Herd. They're very effective at parting fools from their money.

If people are offended by the images, hey, that was the frickin' idea. It's the sole basis of their marketing appeal. It's disingenuous to get all pissy and self-righteous and claim otherwise. You need to get the hell over youself, bouv. Spittle-flinging rant on the utterly predictable outcome to a stupid marketing ploy. Falling for the hype isn't exactly a ticket to condemn others, y'know?

[Muffin]

Women covered by snow, boots and straps? :mad: That's degrading to them!




:DWhich leads us to the ultimate question for skiers. It is a perfect day after a storm. There you are, in a glade with your honey, with unblemished powder before you.

Do you grab first tracks, or do the two of you make a snow angel? Due to the nature of powder poaching, you can't have both. What do you do?

[muldoonthief]

The third board on the first pic in the gallery (standing in front of the tennis net) is Cheryl Bachman IIRC. If it's the same pic as her centerfold, there's visible nipple going on there too.

I headed down to the Bundy vault last night, and yes, in fact, that picture is her centerfold, and there is definitely a visible nipple. So it's a bit more than asses going on with these boards.

[corkboard]

Are the graphics on the top or bottoms of the boards?

Also, one of the boards has a cartoon graphic of what looks like a guy cutting off his pointer finger, then cutting the pointer finger off what appears to be a glove, then sewing the glove finger on his hand in place of the real finger. Is this supposed to have some meaning that I'm missing?

As to the OP, as a marketing tool, great job by Burton. As a snowboarder and a parent, thanks a lot, Burton. My wife and I aren't prudes, and we're not all "think of the children" about it. But we try to teach our girls a certain appreciation for the human body while also teaching them that nudity is appropriate in some situations but not in others. While we don't try to shield their eyes from unexpected displays of nudity, it is a little disappointing that there are fewer and fewer places we can go to not be presented with a situation where we have to explain 'good naked' and 'bad naked'. I understand freedom of expression, and I'm not protesting the boards. I just wish some companies used better judgment in marketing their brand. Anything for a buck, right?

And by the way, just because you can't see nipple and snatch doesn't mean you can say they're not nude.

[Anaamika]

They're naked, sorry, semi-naked women. If that's edgy...well, half-naked women have been used to sell shit since Day 1.

I admit, I would be a little skeeved out if I went to a ski instructor's place and saw him using that board. I don't look like that, and I have enough comparisons in my life, thank you very much. I'd go elsewere. And I don't think anybody has any grounds to stand on to call me a prude.

Plus, they're UGLY. Just downright ugly. And where are my half-naked men on a board?????

[CalMeacham]

Are the graphics on the top or bottoms of the boards?


The trend now is graphics on the bottoms of the boards.


That may not seem to make sense, but they're highly visible when you're on the lift, or if you take your break sitting on your butt in the snow with the board at 90 degrees to the ground, so the bottom's vertical (the short way, not the long way)

[Telemark]

Do you grab first tracks, or do the two of you make a snow angel? Due to the nature of powder poaching, you can't have both. What do you do?
No friends on a powder day. That's an easy one.

[tdn]

Well...no, they aren't offensive to women.

Well...yeah, actually they are. But don't let being completely wrong stop you.

[corkboard]

The trend now is graphics on the bottoms of the boards.


That may not seem to make sense, but they're highly visible when you're on the lift, or if you take your break sitting on your butt in the snow with the board at 90 degrees to the ground, so the bottom's vertical (the short way, not the long way)

It makes sense, I'm a boarder. Just wondering about the graphics on these particular boards as I couldn't tell from the images in the article.

[Muffin]

No friends on a powder day. That's an easy one.
In a world where there is seldom a single right answer, that, sir, is the single right answer.

[Muffin]

Are the graphics on the top or bottoms of the boards?For the nudie boards, the full body including face is on the deck, and the butt is on the base.

For the amputation boards, the result of the amputation (a single drawing) is on the deck and the process of the amputation (several drawings) is on the base.

You can look at the graphics at the Burton site: http://www.burton.com/Gear/Default.aspx#/gear/boardmatrix/mens/boards/

Note that they are designed for playing in the park, where it is common to sit about with bases exposed while waiting to take a turn, and where it is common to fall and expose bases.

Also note that there are no such boards in their women's line, which suggests that this is pure marketing to immature males, rather than art with a message.

[Santo Rugger]

So less than 2000 of these...spread over the whole country. By the way these idiots were going on you'd think that Burton was forcing every snow boarder to buy one and shove it in their face.Yeah, "only" 2,000. They only made 2,000 TorRed Dodge Charger Daytonas in 2006, and I've seen at least three of them. In New Mexico. And it wasn't even ski season. To be fair, one of them had Colorado plates, and I'm pretty sure it's snowing in Denver already.

They've done it in the past when they offered a reward for boarders to film themselves poaching runs a the remaining 4 (now 3) ski areas that don't allow boards...Ski Taos, baby! Err, I mean, "Snowboard Taos, baby!"

[Santo Rugger]

...

[Captain Carrot]

stupid naked women boardsBand name!

[Q.E.D.]

Well...yeah, actually they are. But don't let being completely wrong stop you.

Y'know, I've seen ladyfoxfyre's photo and either she's a woman or an incredibly accurate simulation of one. Yet, she's not offended by it. But, don't take my word for it, let's hear her speak for herself:

I also don't see anything offensive about it.

Well, there you go.

[Dead Badger]

It's almost as if some women think things that other women don't think.

But this is crazy talk. Someone has to be lying.

[Q.E.D.]

It's almost as if some women think things that other women don't think.

Exactly my point.

[Dead Badger]

You must've forgotten to correct the OP on his much earlier blanket statement, then. Don't worry, it happens to us all.

[Telemark]

In a world where there is seldom a single right answer, that, sir, is the single right answer.

http://flkproductions.com/film/Quicktime/hike&ride.mov

Inspirational, epic, and oh, so very funny. Watch to the end.

[MeanJoe]

Which leads us to the ultimate question for skiers. It is a perfect day after a storm. There you are, in a glade with your honey, with unblemished powder before you.

Do you grab first tracks, or do the two of you make a snow angel? Due to the nature of powder poaching, you can't have both. What do you do?

See ya' babe! (First tracks)

[MeanJoe]

Okay, I just looked a the Love line on the Burton sight and I'm even more convinced this is much-ado about nothing.

The topsheet of the board is a reproduction of the original centerfold. They are ALL positioned so that at the most you are seeing the outer curve of an ass cheek. The lone exception is the 162 where you can see all of the ass.

The base is clearly an artist rendering of the ass, not a reproduction of the photo. To me, this falls into cartoon category and hardly "naked women".

IMHO of course...

MeanJoe

[Guinastasia]

As I woman, I don't find them offensive. HOWEVER, as a potential customer at said ski-resort, I would find them inappropriate for the staff. If another customer used one, I'd probably think it, as I said, tacky, but I wouldn't care less. An employee? Completely unprofessional.

[Muffin]

http://flkproductions.com/film/Quicktime/hike&ride.mov

Inspirational, epic, and oh, so very funny. Watch to the end.Best. Ending. Ever.

That was a great link. Thanks!

[Eonwe]

They're naked, sorry, semi-naked women. If that's edgy...well, half-naked women have been used to sell shit since Day 1.

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Plus, they're UGLY. Just downright ugly. And where are my half-naked men on a board?????

Those have not been used to sell shit since Day 1. Sorry, you guys loose out. :)

[Cider Depot]

That's pretty tacky art though. Reminds me of the "naked lady" playing cards that used to be around, or those stupid pens.