How are Rush/Hannity/Grant/Levinn handling the election?

[Rhythmdvl]

I've been listening to Rush/Grant for years and years (Bush I was still in office) and have laughed my way through the end of the cold war (Gorbasm updates anyone?), all of Clinton, the Gingrich revolution, etc.

I can't believe I haven't gotten a chance to hear what and how they're spinning the election results. Is it like post-'06 election ("I'm sick of carrying water for you)? Did the pre-election harping on Acorn and "Black Panther Intimidation" pay off in claims of voter intimidation? Is there no mandate because he didn't achieve a Reagan-like victory or because there aren't 60 Senators?

I know they're radio shows, but I'm putting this in the pit to give free vent to whatever language or wishes anyone wants to spew on their heads (heh... to "rightly" spew!).

Oh, and FTR, I also like to go to the zoo and watch monkeys. Please don't assign me any Ditto-ness, affiliation, credence, or credulity to the absolute shit they toss around.

[Paul in Qatar]

Rush was never a fan of McCain, claiming he was not pure enough. He did like Palin however. He is now defending her and attacking him. He maintains Conservatism was not defeated as there was no Conservative on the ticket.

He advocates casting moderates out of the party, so that it can be pure. Of course that might make hard to get elected but so what.

[Hampshire]

I think these guys actually prefer it this way. It's what their schtick is all about.
They much prefer playing offense and attacking a democratic administration on a daily basis playing armchair critic rather than trying to defend an in power consevative administration.
Spitting fire and blowing hot air is much easier for them than trying to expalin why Bush's policies aren't a failure.

[JXJohns]

I think these guys actually prefer it this way. It's what their schtick is all about.
They much prefer playing offense and attacking a democratic administration on a daily basis playing armchair critic rather than trying to defend an in power consevative administration.
Spitting fire and blowing hot air is much easier for them than trying to expalin why Bush's policies aren't a failure.

Limbaugh was on record at one time that it was the Clinton administration that brought him his success.

[ShibbOleth]

Agree, these will be boom times for the Far Right Ideologues. Interestingly enough, some have been more moderate and even seem okay with Obama, at least for now, during the honeymoon period. I'm talking about some of the Fox News guys, like Chris Wallace, Bill O'Reilly and Bush colleague Condi Rice. Heck even Bush seems to be mellow about having Obama in.

I'd like to see a split in the Republicans resulting in a more socially moderate but fiscal conservative camp, and the loonies like Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, etc. Let them go off and masturbate to a golden idol in the form of Sarah Palin and become nothing but a footnote to history.

[gonzomax]

There is an Impeach Obama site started now. Short honeymoon.

[Jack Batty]

There is an Impeach Obama site started now. Short honeymoon.

Just of morbid curiosity ... on what grounds?

[Rhythmdvl]

I've often thought of Palin as the first true Limbaugh Candidate, but never got around to asking opinions on it.

Sounds like they're circling the wagons around a small and economically supportive base. I'm glad to hear the fraud angle isn't being pushed as much as they were in the days leading up. It's kind of good that they'll be pushing to put in a "true" conservative, meaning one that fits the Limgbaugh mould won't get elected in the general, and a McCain-like moderate won't get their full support.

[DiosaBellissima]

I thought Bill O'Reilly refused to say who he was voting for or did he change this stance? I ask because it was my impression that his vote was going to Obama, just by his refusal to say and some of the things he said. For instance, I remember after his interview with Barack, he wrote a shockingly favorable to Obama blog. I can't seem to find this online, though.

[Slacker]

I listened to Hannty yesterday and today to see how he handled it. The show has been BORING as hell. He hasn't flipped out, and he hasn't let any callers on the air who have lost it yet either. Like Rush, he's blaming Republicanism, not Conservatism. He's quoting the same poll over and over that states people are still generally conservative, but fed up with Republicans.

[Tuckerfan]

I'm disappointed that the idiots at Fox News, et. al didn't start offing themselves on camera when it became clear Obama was going to win. That would have been "must see TV." :D

[Rhythmdvl]

I'm disappointed that the idiots at Fox News, et. al didn't start offing themselves on camera when it became clear Obama was going to win. That would have been "must see TV." :D

Tonight on Fox: When Good Pundits go Bad....



Ah, that's the other thing ... there was a lot of harping on how "we're not going to let the pundits choose our president, don't listen to the polls; they're wrong" (ignoring that they are, well, pundit and fuckwit being synonymous in this case).

So, no True Conservative would have lost to Obama? What happened during the primaries?

[5-HT]

Has rush declared "america held hostage..." again? because that sure didn't get old and stale the first time around.

[Captain Carrot]

Just of morbid curiosity ... on what grounds?
What makes you think they need any?

[Lord Ashtar]

I thought Bill O'Reilly refused to say who he was voting for or did he change this stance? I ask because it was my impression that his vote was going to Obama, just by his refusal to say and some of the things he said. For instance, I remember after his interview with Barack, he wrote a shockingly favorable to Obama blog. I can't seem to find this online, though.

Why are you bringing O'Reilly into this? Don't you realize that he's a fair and balanced independent thinker? He doesn't deserve to be lumped in with Rush and Hannity. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Simplicio]

I can only assume their accepting the recent electoral upset with a dignified and quiet magnanimity.

Also I heard Hannity bit off Colmes nose this morning.

[JHE1967]

Rush said yesterday that Obama is a "Chicago thug". I'm surprised that hasn't seen any traction.

Hannity said he doesn't understand why the McCain campaign decided Ayers and Wright were off the table lol.

[Dewey Finn]

Andrew O'Hehir (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/11/05/watching_fox/) had an interesting article on Salon.com describing how Fox News reported the election results, including a video clip of Juan Williams emotional response to Obama's victory.

On the other hand, Chris Wallace was on The Daily Show last night and he and Jon Stewart got kind of nasty with each other. Stewart asked Wallace what they were doing at Fox News when Obama's victory was announced, and Wallace responded that Stewart could have been watching Fox to find out but that Stewart and Stephen Colbert were weeping over the Obama victory. Stewart replied something sarcastic about how horrible it was for him to have an emotional response to an historic event.

[Frostillicus]

Is Rush limbaugh still warning voters in Philadelphia to watch out for Black Panthers threatening them at the polls?

[Really Not All That Bright]

There is an Impeach Obama site started now. Short honeymoon.
Started a long time ago.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/obamaimpeachment/

Where can I get a bigger one of these: :rolleyes: ?

[furt]

FWIW, Glenn Beck is urging listeners to give Obama a fair chance. This morning he was nearly screaming at a clown insisting Obama wasn't a legal citizen or something.

[Starving Artist]

Also I heard Hannity bit off Colmes nose this morning.But Colmes said they were just playing and he didn't want Hannity put to sleep.

[Icerigger]

Limbaugh's contract was recently renewed at more than double has previous income, from a measly $63,000 per day to $136,000 per day. In these hard economic times I can understand that after all a man has to eat and Rush is as he says one of the producers, one who makes the country work unlike the Obama supporters.

I wonder if his employers had anticipated a republican loss and increased ratings for disaffected conservative listeners.

His take on the loss is interesting the thought that the conservative philosophy could even be wrong is not even a consideration, the true conservative is never wrong. It almost sounds like a communist apparatchik apologizing for a collapsing system, the party is never wrong, true conservatism is never wrong.

It's like switching sides at a baseball game, he will go from a President who does no wrong to a President who will do nothing right in the blink of an eye.

[DanBlather]

Limbaugh's contract was recently renewed at more than double has previous income, from a measly $63,000 per day to $136,000 per day.That's pretty close to the traditional Alaskan monetary unit of a "wardrobe".

[Really Not All That Bright]

FWIW, Glenn Beck is urging listeners to give Obama a fair chance. This morning he was nearly screaming at a clown insisting Obama wasn't a legal citizen or something.
Good for him. I may even start listening to his show if he keeps saying sensible things.

[Slacker]

Good for him. I may even start listening to his show if he keeps saying sensible things.
It's a trap!

[42fish]

But Colmes said they were just playing and he didn't want Hannity put to sleep.

Colmes, son, your mom and I decided to give Hannity to a nice network with a big farm out in the country....

[elucidator]

"Oh, that? Well, last night we thought we would plant a tree, but after we dug the hole we channged our minds, and just filled it back in...."

[KGS]

There is an Impeach Obama site started now. Short honeymoon. Here in So-Cal, there used to be "Impeach Bush" signs & petitions everywhere. Since those went nowhere, I doubt any fringe website will have any effect at all on Obama's career.

Indeed, I suspect that the "Right-Wing Conspiracy", which tried to remove Clinton from office, no longer exists. Naturally, I can't prove this, but I strongly sense that the so-called "Corporate Illuminati" (or "Corpocrasy", if you like) has suddenly switched sides -- instead of supporting Conservativism (as they've done since Nixon) they are now supporting Liberalism, and ultimately Democratic Socialism.

Did anyone else out there notice the sudden Paradigm Shift? I sure as hell felt it, and it felt like a minor earthquake. (It happened in mid-October.)

We shall see soon enough how this all plays out.

[Clothahump]

I think these guys actually prefer it this way. It's what their schtick is all about.
They much prefer playing offense and attacking a democratic administration on a daily basis playing armchair critic rather than trying to defend an in power consevative administration.
Except there is a strong argument to be made that we haven't had a conservative administration over the last 8 years. With all the RINOs that got elected and Bush turning his back on conservatism, it's a very strong argument. What we've had is Democrat Lite.

[Really Not All That Bright]

Except there is a strong argument to be made that we haven't had a conservative administration over the last 8 years. With all the RINOs that got elected and Bush turning his back on conservatism, it's a very strong argument. What we've had is Democrat Lite.
When was the last "real" conservative administration, then?

[flight]

When was the last "real" conservative administration, then?

And did they wear kilts?

[Icerigger]

If Americans rejected McCain's 90% conservative why would a 100% conservative be any different? Who is 100% conservative. Rush is calling for a Stalin like purge, so who is going to the Gulag, he promised us a list did he ever read it?

[El_Kabong]

If Americans rejected McCain's 90% conservative why would a 100% conservative be any different? Who is 100% conservative. Rush is calling for a Stalin like purge, so who is going to the Gulag, he promised us a list did he ever read it?

I haven't been able to listen to Rush this week (and that's a pity because I'm sure it would have been highly entertaining) but if he did say that, I'm pretty sure he didn't quite think through how that was going to sound. In any event, who, exactly, is supposed to be the Republican Stalin?

[Slacker]

Yesterday Sean was talking to Ann Coulter, who incidentally sounded like a 1,000 year old woman on the radio, and some "Democrat" who made Zell Miller sound like a raging lefty. Who was that tool, and do they really expect us to believe that he's providing balance to the discussion? His name was something like Goodell, Cadell? I don't know.

[Really Not All That Bright]

Yesterday Sean was talking to Ann Coulter, who incidentally sounded like a 1,000 year old woman on the radio, and some "Democrat" who made Zell Miller sound like a raging lefty. Who was that tool, and do they really expect us to believe that he's providing balance to the discussion? His name was something like Goodell, Cadell? I don't know.
Pat Caddell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Caddell). Not a Democrat since 1988.

[Slacker]

Pat Caddell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Caddell). Not a Democrat since 1988.
Wait, so when Caddell slams Obama or other Democrats and Sean says, "LOL, and this from a Democrat!!!" he's lying? I'm so disillusioned. :(

(thanks for the link)

[BrainGlutton]

When was the last "real" conservative administration, then?

Reagan, perhaps?

[Really Not All That Bright]

Reagan, perhaps?
That used to be my thought, until I realized that Reagan spent more money we didn't have than any President until Bush II.

Perhaps the truth is that fiscal conservatism is like communism; a wonderful idea in theory, but completely unworkable in practice.

[Icerigger]

Rush and Hannity, Coulter etc. really crack me up, if your not a true conservative your a RINO. Rush was going to read a list of names to be purged from the party but I did not hear that part of the show. Conservatives didn't lose because there were no real true conservatives. Seriously they do sound like communists complete with purges.

As far as Reagan goes they seem to forget RR was also expelled by true conservatives when he started negotiating with Gorby. One called him a useful idiot for the communists, but I don't remember who called him that, (Howard Phillips??? Maybe).

[elucidator]

This isn't really the fun part yet. The really fun part is going to come as the ecology of paid rightard punditti shrinks. Some of these people aren't gong to get slobberingly large paychecks to spew. But which ones? That's when they start to infight and struggle for relevence. Michelle Malkin vs Anne of Green Goebbels, Steel Cage Death Match. Possible proof of a just and loving Goddess.

[Icerigger]

Anne of Green GoebbelsWater came out of my nose on that one, so true, so apt.

[NDP]

Perhaps the truth is that fiscal conservatism is like communism; a wonderful idea in theory, but completely unworkable in practice.

Actually, it's only unworkable if there's a Republican in the White House. If there's a Democrat like Clinton, it seems to work surprisingly well (which drives Republicans crazy).

[Slacker]

Anyone listening to Sean today? I haven't had a chance to tune in - I assume he's apoplectic over President Obama joking about Nancy Reagan during his press conference earlier.

[Tom Scud]

This isn't really the fun part yet. The really fun part is going to come as the ecology of paid rightard punditti shrinks. Some of these people aren't gong to get slobberingly large paychecks to spew. But which ones? That's when they start to infight and struggle for relevence. Michelle Malkin vs Anne of Green Goebbels, Steel Cage Death Match. Possible proof of a just and loving Goddess.

What makes you think it will shrink? Fox News will still be Fox News, other media will still need righties for "balance", and it's not like Scaife etc. are going to run out of money any time soon.

Things might get a bit over-crowded as dozens of former Bush admin officials try to avoid finding honest work, though.

[Dewey Finn]

Actually, I expect to see a bunch of tell-all books about the Bush White House coming from former administration officials. Some will attempt to defend Bush's record while others will, like Scott McClellan, criticize it.

[KGS]

Except there is a strong argument to be made that we haven't had a conservative administration over the last 8 years....[w]hat we've had is Democrat Lite. Umm...you're joking, right? :confused:

The GWB Administration was as arch-conservative as you can get -- his administration was downright fascist in the way he & his advisors handled things. No WAY can you consider GWB to be "Democrat Lite", unless you're genuinely delusional. (Or Fundamentalist Christian -- which is the same thing!)

[MovieMogul]

Anyone listening to Sean today? I haven't had a chance to tune in - I assume he's apoplectic over President Obama joking about Nancy Reagan during his press conference earlier.FTR, Obama apologized to the former First Lady.

[Dan Norder]

Except there is a strong argument to be made that we haven't had a conservative administration over the last 8 years. With all the RINOs that got elected and Bush turning his back on conservatism, it's a very strong argument. What we've had is Democrat Lite.

If by "strong argument" you mean "completely fucking delusional ramblings." Bush didn't turn his back on conservatism, he just got away with it to an extreme degree and people saw how stupid the entire concept was.... or most people, some people refuse to admit they were backing the wrong horse and try to rationalize their own incompetence away.

[gonzomax]

Just of morbid curiosity ... on what grounds?

He is not even in yet. he has done nothing. They will not approve ,no matter what he does. They are pricks. Just getting set for what kind of stupidity they do.

[Evil Captor]

Just of morbid curiosity ... on what grounds?

Presidenting while black.

[BrainGlutton]

FTR, Obama apologized to the former First Lady.

Merciful Og, is that unclean bitch still alive?! :mad:

[Sr Siete]

Just of morbid curiosity ... on what grounds?

Well, to be fair with them, of all the Presidents, Obama is the one who has done less. Hell, he hasn't even been sworn in yet. Do you want a President who is not even in the White House?

If those are not grounds for impeachment, I don't know what could be.

[JonScribe]

Except there is a strong argument to be made that we haven't had a conservative administration over the last 8 years. With all the RINOs that got elected and Bush turning his back on conservatism, it's a very strong argument. What we've had is Democrat Lite.

Democrat Lite?

RU doin' it wrong.

[Eva Luna]

Except there is a strong argument to be made that we haven't had a conservative administration over the last 8 years. With all the RINOs that got elected and Bush turning his back on conservatism, it's a very strong argument. What we've had is Democrat Lite.

Real Existing Republicanism has never been tried. (Tom Scud again, sigh. I really need to be more careful about this, except Eva's account doesn't see banner ads. Which I guess means I should just not be a cheapskate, but anyway.)

[laughingboy]

Merciful Og, is that unclean bitch still alive?! :mad:

:confused: I really don't get this. Granted, believing in astrology is dumber than a box of rocks, but where does "unclean bitch" come from?

The level of public discourse has really eroded in this country.

We return you now to the Pit and your previously scheduled gratuitous asshattery already in progress... :)

[Giraffe]

Real Existing Republicanism has never been tried. (Tom Scud again, sigh. I really need to be more careful about this, except Eva's account doesn't see banner ads. Which I guess means I should just not be a cheapskate, but anyway.)Tom Scud, we completely understand the occasional login mistakes that can happen when Dopers share a computer, but your post indicates you're repeatedly logging into Eva's account simply to avoid seeing ads, which is account sharing and against the rules. Please refrain from now on.

[RickJay]

Rush said yesterday that Obama is a "Chicago thug". I'm surprised that hasn't seen any traction.
I heard him call Obama a "street thug" on his radio show earlier in the campaign.

[furt]

The GWB Administration was as arch-conservative as you can get -Except that you won't find any conservatives who say that. Google "Bush is a liberal" and you'll get thousands of hits.

-- Illegal immigration
-- massive expansion of Medicare
-- massive spending growth in general
-- Growth of foreign aid, earning the praise of people like Bob Geldof and Bono
-- expansion of federal involvement in education (That uber-conservative No Child Left Behind was written by Ted Kennedy, you'll recall)
-- Increased funding of National Endowment of Arts
-- Defending foreign intervention on humanitarian grounds
-- $16 Billion for AIDS in Africa

Bush's uber-conservatism is a purely a liberal meme, voiced by people who do not read outside their prejudices, and assume that if they are liberal, those they disagree with must be Conservative, and more conservative the more they disagree. Sorry,

[Bill Door]

I heard him call Obama a "street thug" on his radio show earlier in the campaign.


And that's a good example of how unclear their message was. He was both a street thug and an elite ivory tower intellectual, he was both a naive inexperienced babe in the woods and a dangerous radical, he was a both a Marxist and a millionaire. They were just throwing every thing they could to see what would stick.

[Evil Captor]

Bush's uber-conservatism is a purely a liberal meme, voiced by people who do not read outside their prejudices, and assume that if they are liberal, those they disagree with must be Conservative, and more conservative the more they disagree. Sorry,

You conservatives may well want to distance yourselves from Bush now that he's as popular as a smelly, dead fish, but all of the rest of us remember how he was your savior and best buddy in the months and years after 911. Nobody's buying it.

[Fish]

Bush's uber-conservatism is a purely a liberal meme...
It used to be a conservative meme.

Bush's legacy also includes faith-based programs, support for creationism, opposition to abortion, wealth for the wealthy, and a ton of other conservative positions. You can't just hand-wave that away.

[furt]

It used to be a conservative meme.Um, no. He ran as a "compassionate conservative" whom the hard right was somewhat suspicious of day one. He was accepted because he was deemed electable, which was what mattered after Clinton.

I'm not handwaving away his conservative policies; I'm pointing out that he also had liberal & moderate ones too. Ergo, he was not hard right, uber-conservative etc.

He was a moderate conservative. An incompetent, arrogant and unpopular one, but moderate nonetheless.

[Really Not All That Bright]

Um, no. He ran as a "compassionate conservative" whom the hard right was somewhat suspicious of day one. He was accepted because he was deemed electable, which was what mattered after Clinton.

I'm not handwaving away his conservative policies; I'm pointing out that he also had liberal & moderate ones too. Ergo, he was not hard right, uber-conservative etc.
While I agree with you in terms of his policies, the fact is that conservatives overwhelming supported him almost to the bitter end. That implies an endorsement of his policies by conservatives, which negates the "true Scotsman" argument.

[BMax]

And Nixon had the EPA, detente and opening of relations with China.

That makes Eisenhower the last Real Conservative®, correct?

[BrainGlutton]

:confused: I really don't get this. Granted, believing in astrology is dumber than a box of rocks, but where does "unclean bitch" come from?

The first time I saw Nancy Reagan on TV I said to myself, "I can't put my finger on it but there is something unclean about that woman. And no way is she drug-free! Look at her eyes!" I've always had a deep visceral hatred of her that I cannot explain; fortunately, the Pit does not require it.