'What a Wonderful World This Will Be'- By George W. Bush

[Stoid]

AUSTIN (AP) Karen Hughes, spokesman for Governor George W. Bush, has
confirmed today the president-elect has completed his inaugural address
and, in an attempt to reach out and win the support of the 50% of Americans
who voted against him, will sing his speech, with words composed to the
tune of "What a Wonderful World This Will Be" by Sam Cooke. An advance
copy of the initial lyrics revealed the following:


Don't know much about history
Don't know much foreign policy
Don't remember how I got through school
I'm sure I didn't break the rules
But what's it matter 'cause my granny says
"Boy, if you want to you can be the prez
And what a wonderful world this will be"


Don't know much about the women's vote
Don't know much about the bill I wrote
Don't know much about the foreign vets
I've never voted for 'em yet
But I do know if your dad tries hard
He can get you in the National Guard
And what a wonderful place that can be


Now I never claimed to be an A student But what's wrong with C's?
And maybe by knowing the names of my cabinet I can win their love for me

...

Don't know much about air pollution
Don't know much about the constitution
Don't know much about th' economy
It never much affected me
But there's one thing that I know for sure
If the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor
What a wonderful world this will be

Don't know much about the national debt
I've never had to pay one yet
If we need to we can sell the States
To the Japanese at discount rates
But I do know if things get bad
Dick and I can always call my dad
And what a wonderful world this will be.


(Yet another anonymous e-mail received mere moments ago)

[jshore]

Ah...Brings back fond memories of a similar ditty done by the Capitol Steps about Reagan way back when! In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this was partly plagerized...I mean "borrowed"...from that!

[Freedom]

Do the words "sore loser" mean anything to you?

[jshore]

"Do the words "Even if he wins, he's still an idiot!" mean anything to you?

[Freedom]

Do the words "sore loser" mean anything to you?

[erislover]

Ahh, I didn't vote for Bush, am not a Bush supporter, not even a republican, but GOD do I love how he's gotten everyone's panties in a bunch.

In the million and one election threads that I have not involved myself in, has anyone stopped to ask, even as a hijack, why--if the vote was so damn close--do people feel one guy was a TOTAL loser and the other was fit to be king? I would think, and lets abandon any partisanship here, that any election this close means two things:
1) They're equally assholes/princes/stupid/smart
2) half the population is whacko and we need to abandon democracy. Clearly it has failed us and all these years of undisputed elections have just been lucky.

I think 1 is more likely, amusing emails aside. Get over it. I didn't whine this much when they took Cheers off he air, and that was a damn fine show.
[/hijack]

[andros]

why--if the vote was so damn close--do people feel one guy was a TOTAL loser and the other was fit to be king?

Generally speaking, those who delude themselves into a belief that either Mr. Bush or Mr. Gore are greatly superior to (or even appreciably different from) the other are idiots. They have accepted politics as religion.

Me, I think Mr. Bush is ill-equipped to be President. But before I am the target of a snide remark from Freedom, I do not and have not supported Mr. Gore either.

[SPOOFE]

::sigh::

Three words, Stoid: Get over it.

You're gonna get an ulcer the way you carry on... and on... and on... and on... and on...

[iampunha]

And if it only scanned, it would be so much better . . . but maybe that's the point.

not that I wanted either candidate to win

[andros]

Oh, I guess I could respond to the OP.

Stoid, I get enough lame shit in my inbox. There's no debate here. You'll have at least four years for knee-jerk Bushbashing. What say next time you get a cute little forward like this you post it in MPSIMS or the Pit, m'kay?

[longhair75]

friend stoidela,

thanks for the smile!

[Freedom]

Main Entry: snide
Pronunciation: 'snId
Function: adjective
Etymology: origin unknown
Date: circa 1859
1 a : FALSE, COUNTERFEIT b : practicing deception : DISHONEST <a snide merchant>
2 : unworthy of esteem : LOW <a snide trick>
3 : slyly disparaging : INSINUATING <snide remarks>



My fault, I thought the entire thread was snide. I was just trying to fit in:)

[Scylla]

Nyah, nyahh, nyahh, nyahh, nyahh.
Bush won and Gore didn't.
Gore's too dumb to admit it.
He's a stupid idiot.
Nyah, nyahh, nyahh, nyahh, nyahh.

:P

[Lynn Bodoni]

People, remember which forum you're in. I leave it to the GD mods to decide what other actions to take.

Lynn
Administrator
For the Straight Dope

[kiffa]

Actually I prefer "knickers in a twist" rather than panties in a bunch....

The biggest lessons I have picked up from this whole election event are the following:

1. Civil voting rights are the number one right given to American citizens.
2. These rights should not be violated by machines, human error or bureaucratic bumblings.
3. Efforts to get out the vote must be accompanied by voter education.
4. Ballots need to be met standards and market-tested before the actual event.
5. Campaign managers need to recuse themselves from any official position which may have an impact on how an election is organized, run and interpreted.
6. Drop dead dates need to be realistic.
7. We need a serious debate about the necessity of keeping the electoral college around.

I can't comment on electon fraud because we don't know what is going to happen for the Seminole court case nor do we have enough information on the tripling plus rate for double voting in Duval County. I shutter at the thought that they might be swept under the rug because no one wants to taint the party of the president-in-waiting.

Obvious that I support Gore huh? Ya betcha.

[Stoid]

Gee...

Some people are taking this rather harshly. Especially since their guy won! Just a little tease, folks, no need to get your knickers in a twist, now is there? Methinks some people are feeling just a wee bit too testy for supporters of someone who "won".

Andros
This thread was not forced upon you in any way. I put it here because it's politcal and the mods have repeatedly moved all political threads here, so I thought I'd save them the trouble.

Given the title and that it was I who posted it, you might have had a good idea what kind of thread it was and avoided it.

Friend Longhair:
Yer welcome!


I anticipate seizing every possible opportunity to mock and deride our new Puppet-elect. You are all perfectly free to ignore me, and if your reactions here are any indication of future reaction, my guess is that it would probably be wise for you to do so. Wouldn't want anybody having an anuerysm or nuthin'.

stoid

[Stoid]

Originally posted by jshore
"Do the words "Even if he wins, he's still an idiot!" mean anything to you?

high five

My point exactly!

stoid

[Scylla]

Originally posted by Stoidela

This thread was not forced upon you in any way. I put it here because it's politcal and the mods have repeatedly moved all political threads here, so I thought I'd save them the trouble.[/b]


There have been a few threads in the pit, or MPSIMS dedicated to the election. Perhaps you might consider asking it be moved to one of those forums where it might be more appropriate.

It's tough to debate lyrics.

[Monster104]

"I anticipate seizing every possible opportunity to mock and deride our new Puppet-elect."

Yeah, that's mature :rolleyes:.

[DKW]

First off, that's a pretty good song parody (one of the few I could actually read all the way through without retching). You're absolutely right; Bush is a colossal dope (I'd say that much is indisputable by now) who doesn't have a clue as to what he'll accomplish as president, and hardly anyone in the mainstream media even cares to point this out. Which is why I'm completely turned off to mainstream media right now, but that's another thread. I'm no Gore supporter by any means, but facts is facts, mmkay?

That said...call me crazy (the whole election's been crazy; why shouldn't I get swept up in it?), but I think a Bush presidency might be better for the country. Why? Because Bush is a Republican, which means that our nation's liberal groups are going to OPPOSE any reactionary, counterproductive actions on his part. Contrast that to Clinton's eight-year catastrophe, where he could have nuked Canada or subjected minoity groups to internment and face only the mildest resistance. (Again, not much room for argument here; anyone remember the Defense of Marriage Act, NAFTA, GATT, the politically expedient bombings, etc?)

And as far as Supreme Court nominations go, remember, Bush is a dope. I'm counting on him to attempt to appoint a full-bore reactionary but screw up and pick a centrist. Same goes for his handling of all the annoying joke issues like flag burning and obscene art. Hey, we're talking someone who can't complete ten sentences without screwing up. I just don't see Contract With America II here.

And of course, the Democrats will finally, FINALLY be forced to end their complacency and put a little thought into who they nominate next time, and not ignore or brush aside issues like 40 million Americans without health insurance thanks to managed care, the shameless destruction of civil liberties caused by the War on Drugs...you should know the rest by now.

[All right, NOW we have a Great Debate! If anyone needs me, I'll be in a bomb shelter fearing for my life. ;)]

[waterj2]

There is nothing resembling a debate here. This isn't the partisan nose-thumbing forum, nor is it the forum to share email forwards you get. I suppose I could comment on the acuracy of many of the claims in the song (off the top of my head, wasn't Gore a solid C student as well?), but I've figured out by now that the OP has no interest in hearing opposing points of view, but rather masquerade derision as a debate.

Also, I'd like to add that the damn "high fives" are getting prettty annoying. It's not exactly like Gore supports are some sort of embattled minority here. Or rather that agreeing that Bush is an idiot is the sort of thing that really needs to be congratulated.

[Freedom]

I've noticed that among the partisans on this board, the Bush supporters are the first, the last, and near as I can tell, the only ones to resort to personal attacks and name calling as a form of argument.

I anticipate seizing every possible opportunity to mock and deride our new Puppet-elect.


I've noticed that among the partisans on this board, the Bush supporters are the first, the last, and near as I can tell, the only ones to resort to personal attacks and name calling as a form of argument.



quote:
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Originally posted by jshore
"Do the words "Even if he wins, he's still an idiot!" mean anything to you?
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high five

My point exactly!

stoid



I've noticed that among the partisans on this board, the Bush supporters are the first, the last, and near as I can tell, the only ones to resort to personal attacks and name calling as a form of argument.



It was Bush who stole this election, by doing everything in his power to stop the legal system from working to determine the true vote count, right from Day One. And he won. Asshole.


I've noticed that among the partisans on this board, the Bush supporters are the first, the last, and near as I can tell, the only ones to resort to personal attacks and name calling as a form of argument.


Bush is barely taking note of anything going on around him. What a pathetic joke...he's going to make Reagan look sharp. He's going to be the 10th man to be president in my lifetime, and unquestionably the least qualified, able or deserving. He doesn't even belong in the same room with the other 9, much less the Oval office.



Go figure.

[Stoid]

Originally posted by DKW
I think a Bush presidency might be better for the country.

I think you are right. For the reasons you mention, but also I look at it this way: no party holds the White house forever. The pendulum has to swing in the opposite direction at least occasionally. Better it should be Dubya under these circumstances that someone really smart and slick with a clean win.

The fact is, if you take Al's votes and Naders votes together, more Americans are to the left than right. Dubya won't do much except be deeply annoying for the next couple of years, then we can take back Congress and in 4 the White House.

I've known for awhile now that in the big picture we are better off with this result, but the gross injustice of it all has kept me from embracing the big picture wholeheartedly.


By the way: <High Five>

stoid

[DSYoungEsq]

Funny, where were all the people deriding Stoidela when the parody of Mr. Gore (set to the well-known tune about the fiddling contest between the devil and a good ol' boy) was posted? One might have asserted 'sore winner'?


I thought it was funny, though I suspect it isn't quite as original as the other. :)

[The Ryan]

Originally posted by kiffa
I shutter at the thought that they might be swept under the rug because no one wants to taint the party of the president-in-waiting.
Not only do you have very strange ideas about the media's willingness to ignore a very important story for the sake of a party they really haven't showed much allegiance to, you have a rather strange reaction to those ideas. What exactly does it mean to shutter, anyway?

DKW:
I agree. By nominating Gore, the Democrats basically attempted to ransom the country, demanding that it allow them to choose whoever they wanted as president, or face the "horror" of a Bush presidency. If Gore had won, it would have shown the Democrats that they can nominate absolutely anyone they want and still win.

[waterj2]

I don't recall ever seeing such a thing. Perhaps you have a link? I might find it amusing, but as it's probably as blindly partisan as this one, I would imagine that I'd simply skip it. Sure it's all about fighting ignorance, but I figure others can adequately defend Mr. Gore from unfounded charges. Some battles are not for me to fight.

[The Ryan]

Originally posted by Stoidela
Andros
Given the title and that it was I who posted it, you might have had a good idea what kind of thread it was and avoided it.

In other words, you have no problem with people ignoring you because you don't have anything useful to say. Just as long as we're clear on this.

[Freedom]

Funny, where were all the people deriding Stoidela when the parody of Mr. Gore (set to the well-known tune about the fiddling contest between the devil and a good ol' boy) was posted?

Think I could get a link to that?:)

[xenophon41]

Linkety-link (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=47786)

[andros]

Freedom:

My fault, I thought the entire thread was snide. I was just trying to fit in

:D Well, yes, but it was (at the time) just general snideness. I just wanted to avoid any specific snideness.

Stoidela:

I put it here because it's politcal and the mods have repeatedly moved all political threads here, so I thought I'd save them the trouble.

Well, no. And no again. they've moved political debates here. Not threads that are based in fluffspam and designed as a medium of hatred to someone you've never met.

Given the title and that it was I who posted it, you might have had a good idea what kind of thread it was and avoided it.

Let's see . . .

1) Titles do not always, or even often, convey the substanse of a thread.

2) Who are you? I've avoided most of the political threads in the past few months. Are you someone important? I guess you're a rabid Bush-hater, but I don't pay enough attention to know to avoid you because of that. I do now, thanks.

[Duke]

Originally posted by Freedom2
Do the words "sore loser" mean anything to you?

Do the words "sore winner" mean anything to you?

[The_Peyote_Coyote]

"The fact is, if you take Al's votes and Naders votes together, more Americans are to the left than right. Dubya won't do much except be deeply annoying for the next couple of years, then we can take back Congress and in 4 the White House. "

Stoidela, you are either so optimistic that you search every pile of shit for a pony or else you are a fuckin' idiot.

Do you honestly think all those old people in Palm Beach voted for Gore because they support gay rights and the Kyoto Treaty? Hell, no, most of them voted for Gore to protect their Social Security and Medicaid benefits.

Go to the South and Midwest and you will find slews of Democrats who are just as conservative as the worst GOP mossbacks. In my own state of Indiana, we have Speaker of the House John Gregg, D.-Sandborn, who is pro-life; we have State Rep. Jerry "No Show" Denbo, D.-French Lick, who brags about being the most pro-NRA Democrat in the nation, and we have Gov. Frank "Mushmouth" Frank O'Bannon, who is trying to put a Ten Commandments monument on the statehouse lawn. If you came to many of the political gatherings I've attended in Indiaana and spouted your opinions, most of the Democrats would be as horrified and/or angry and/or amused as the Republicans.

People voted for Gore for a number of reasons, including a desire to maintain peaceful, prosperous times. Most of them do not want to transform this country into the United Socialist States of America.

Get a life, for Christ's sake.

And I hope to Jesus, Mithra, Allah and Yog-Sothuth this country never sees the Democrats control both the Presidency and the White House again. The last time that happened we had double-digit inflation, high unemployment and the government spraying Paraquat on marijuana plants.

In fact I would rather vote a Communist for national office than a Democrat. The Communists are more honest about their economic policies and they are much better at fighting wars.

[Stoid]

Originally posted by The Peyote Coyote

Stoidela, you are either so optimistic that you search every pile of shit for a pony or else you are a fuckin' idiot.


Ahhh.... more civilized discourse from the right side... It's just so impressive when you guys resort to personal attacks and name calling! My beliefs, attitudes, and philosophies are simply shattered every time someone calls me an idiot..or even more effectively, a c**t ! And of course, my respect for the opinions and arguments of people whose first line of of offense is the always devastating schoolyard taunt just goes right through the roof, as you might imagine. :rolleyes:


Originally posted by The Peyote Coyote

People voted for Gore for a number of reasons, including a desire to maintain peaceful, prosperous times.


Yep. And that is what completely baffles me about people who voted for Bush. What exactly is it about peaceful, prosperous times that you don’t like? Unless, of course, it’s because you personally hate Clinton and by association, Gore. But that couldn’t be it, could it?

Originally posted by The Peyote Coyote

And I hope to Jesus, Mithra, Allah and Yog-Sothuth this country never sees the Democrats control both the Presidency] and the White House again.


Gee... that's what they've been doing for the past 8 years. How do you propose they might be separated? :p

[Gaudere]

This isn't the partisan nose-thumbing forum...
No, it's the partisian mud-slinging forum. At least according to David B. ;) Anyhow, we've had song parodies about our esteemed potential presidents in GD before, as xenophon noted, so I don't see how this is any different. It's too hot and/or political for MPSIMS and IMHO and not vile enough for the Pit (at least as it stands, and any attempt to get it moved to the Pit will be severly frowned upon).

The Peyote Coyote
Stoidela, you are either so optimistic that you search every pile of shit for a pony or else you are a fuckin' idiot.

[Moderator Hat ON]

Nope, not here. Personal attacks belong in the Pit. BTW, Freedom2, I'd suggest that if you want to point out any of Stoid's supposed personal hypocrisies at great length in multiple threads that you use the Pit for that purpose. I'd rather not see this forum interspersed with personal vendettas dragged in from other threads.

[Moderator Hat OFF]

[Guinastasia]

Well, I thought it was funny.

C'mon, Free-live a little. It's silly, it's funny. Have a party hat!
:D

[Sterra]

I think the diffrence is stoids is alot less funnier than mine.:)

I would suggest not trying to argue with totally irrational beings though. No point in it.

[waterj2]

Yep. And that is what completely baffles me about people who voted for Bush. What exactly is it about peaceful, prosperous times that you don’t like? Unless, of course, it’s because you personally hate Clinton and by association, Gore. But that couldn’t be it, could it?

Maybe people don't consider good times as being something that occur because of the President. Maybe they consider the Republican Congress as much to blame, and want to extend the same line of thought to the Executive Branch. Maybe they consider that their good fortune is due in large part to their own effort, and want to be taxed less on the money they make.

I'm also thinking that if were to accept the theory that conservatives are selfish, then it would be the conservatives that vote for Gore. This didn't happen, so apparently conservatives are so blinded by hatred that they sacrifice their all-important selfishness. I guess the liberals have a hegemony on principles, selflessness, and rational thought. Sorry guys.

And I hope to Jesus, Mithra, Allah and Yog-Sothuth this country never sees the Democrats control both the Presidency and the White House [sic] again. The last time that happened we had double-digit inflation, high unemployment and the government spraying Paraquat on marijuana plants.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you meant the Presidency and Congress. In which case, your recollection of '92 to '94 is rather different than mine.

[Freedom]

[quote]And I hope to Jesus, Mithra, Allah and Yog-Sothuth [quote]

Definite Yoda discrimination.

[jshore]

Boy, you Bushies seem to have no sense of humor! Lighten up and laugh a little bit! Just to make ya'll feel better, here's a link to something that pokes fun at Gore: http://www.theonion.com/

A friend at work who voted for Bush sent me the link. And, actually I thought it was kinda funny. I didn't tell him he was a sore winner.

You Bushies have got to lighten up!

[Freedom]

You didn't think my Yoda joke was funny?:)

[Stoid]

Originally posted by jshore

A friend at work who voted for Bush sent me the link. And, actually I thought it was kinda funny. I didn't tell him he was a sore winner.

You Bushies have got to lighten up!

Absoloootly! Of all the jokes and parodies that have been flying around, I think the single most hilarious item was Darrell Hammond doing Gore in a monologue about how incredibly confusing and difficult the Palm Beach ballot was. I cracked up, and I'm a very tough audience.

Funny is funny. And I believe that nothing is sacred, as long as the jokes are truly funny, and not simply stupid or mean.

The Bushites are much, much too serious. Being a Republican seems to just suck all the juice right outta them.

[Freedom]

You didn't like my Yoda joke either?

[waterj2]

Well, now I'm stuck. I want to respond earnestly and seriously that conservatives do indeed have a sense of humor and all that, but that wouldn't really serve to back up my point. So I'll just say that you would appreciate our humor if you didn't always make a point to disagree with us. :p

[Toby-T]

I have heard members of this board refer to GWB as being stupid, unqualified, ignorant, a total idiot...blah blah blah (you get the point)

I would like any of the Gore supporters to explain to me what makes him so much more qualified? He has never had a real job...he has been a politician his whole life, our tax dollars at work, right?

He totally switched his stance on certain issues as his career went on (abortion for example)He has lied numerous times in an attempt to brag on himself (claiming to sponsor bills when he wasn't even in congress when they were passed, etc.) Yet, for some unexplainable reason he is heralded as being so much more itelligent that GWB. A glance at his grades in school show he is less that the brilliant man the media would have you believe he is.

And one more question...where were all these "He is just a governor..."not experienced in foreign policy"..."his state is last in everything" comments when a certain Arkansas governor was running for president?

What makes Gore more qualified that GWB? I am not saying GWB is the greatest candidate to ever run...but Gore isn't any better! Get real folks!

[Toby-T]

I especially enjoyed your collection of hypocritical statements from those who mock GWB and his supporters with personal attacks and name calling! (Not that I am surprised by hypocrisy from the left)

[Lemur866]

Y'know, what amazes me is how just about every Democrat on this list talks about how the reason to vote for Gore was to keep that neo-Nazi racist sexist homophobic warmongering phallocratic abilitiest speciesist Bush out of office.

Did anyone vote for Gore because they actually liked Gore? How about next time you all nominate someone you actually want to vote for?

[andros]

Christ on a pony, kids.

Look. I'm only going to say this one more time.

I think Mr. Bush in unqualified to be president. I think he is not particularly intelligent, and I think he has had most of his life handed to him on a platter.

Goddammit, that doesn't mean I like Mr. Gore.

Sheesh. Enough with the knee-jerk partisan blanket judgements already.

[Scylla]

Originally posted by andros
I think Mr. Bush in unqualified to be president. I think he is not particularly intelligent, and I think he has had most of his life handed to him on a platter.

That's pretty much what I'd expect from a damn left-wing, hippy, pinko, liberal. Get a haircut.

;)

[jenkinsfan]

ALGORE I AM

Can we count them with our nose?
Can we count them with our toes?
Should we count them with a band?
Should we count them all by hand?
If I do not like the count,
I will simply throw them out!
I will not let this vote count stand,
I do not like them, ALGore I am!

Can we change these numbers here?
Can we change them, calm my fears?
What do you mean Dubya has won?
That is not fair! It ruins my fun!
Let's count them upside down this time.
Let's count until the state is mine!
I will not let THIS vote count stand!
I do not like it, AlGore I am!

I'm really ticked, I'm in a snit!
You have not heard the last of it!
I'll count the ballots one by one
And hold each up before the sun!
I'll count, recount, and count some more!
You'll grow to like this little chore!
I will not let this vote count stand!
I do not like it, AlGore I am!

I won't leave office, stayin' here
I've glued my desk chair to my rear!
Tipper, Hillary, and Bubba too,
Are telling me that I should SUE!
We find the Electoral College vile!
Recount the votes until WE smile!
We do not want this vote to stand!
We do not LIKE it, AlGore-I-am!

How shall we count THIS ballot box?
Let's count it standling in our socks!
Shall we count this one in a tree?
And who shall count it, you or me?
We cannot, cannot count enough!
We must not stop, we must be tough!
I do not want this vote to stand!
I do not like it, AlGore I am!

I've counted till my fingers bleed
and still can't fufill my counting need.
I'll count the tiles on the floor
and even count the ones next door!
And I will not say I am done
until the counting says I've WON!
I will not let this vote count stand!
I do not like it, AlGore I am!

What's that? What? What's that you say?
You think the current count should....STAY?????
You do not like my counting scheme?
It makes you tense? Gives you bad dreams?
Foolish folks, you're wrong, you'll see!
Your only care should be for ME!
I will not let this vote count stand!
I do not like it, AlGore I am!

One dumb poem deserves another.

[andros]

That's pretty much what I'd expect from a damn left-wing, hippy, pinko, liberal. Get a haircut.

Yeah, you can cut my hair when you pry it from my cold dead fingers, fascist. Stick it to the man.

[Sterra]

Heh stoid, I think stuff that specifically really tries to be political is not funny. Or if it repeats itself too much like jenkinsfans did. Theres only so many times you can hear the word "count" before you go insane. Well actually a political joke is funny, as long as its accurate. If it says stuff that is not accurate that just annoys me.

Also from what earlier I said that everyone else ignored ive considered that I should still amend it to say "irrational arguements" as there can not be a totally irrational human being.

[jshore]

Originally posted by Freedom2
You didn't think my Yoda joke was funny?:)

Okay...It was kind of amusing. Keep practicing! ;)

[jshore]

Originally posted by Asmodean
Or if it repeats itself too much like jenkinsfans did. Theres only so many times you can hear the word "count" before you go insane.

Geez...Even I thought the jenkinsfans one was pretty good. Actually, I think someone should do a take-off from the "Count" on Sesame Street. ["I'm Count Gore and they call me that because I like to count..."] I haven't seen that enough recently to do a good one. Any people with young kids out there who are up to the challenge?

[Stoid]

Jshore.... I don't think so.

Let's have some WIT, people! Even the OP wasn't that great.


Stoid

[Gyrate]

Originally posted by Toby-T
And one more question...where were all these "He is just a governor..."not experienced in foreign policy"..."his state is last in everything" comments when a certain Arkansas governor was running for president?

They were all over the place, as I recall. I'm not so sad as to save that sort of thing, especially for eight years, but I remember Clinton receiving a lot of flak for the poor quality of life in Arkansas during his tenure there.

My prediction is that while Bush will attempt to pass a lot of overly-business-friendly legislation while in office, the relatively evenly balanced Congress will prevent anything too extreme from getting through and will deadlock on everything else. In two years the Democrats will get control (as Congress seems to swing against the party in control of the White House in mid-term elections), even less will get done, and in four years the Democrats will put forward someone other than Gore or Hilary Clinton who won't remind voters of the pig's ear this election has become. With any luck it'll be someone worth voting for, but I'm not holding my breath.

Let's just hope GWB doesn't get it into his head to start a little war in the meantime. :(

jr8

"For forms of government let fools contest;
Whate’re is best administered is best."
-- Alexander Pope, "Epistle III, Of the Nature and State of Man with Respect to Society"

[gEEk]

Originally posted by jr8

Let's just hope GWB doesn't get it into his head to start a little war in the meantime. :(


Ohh pulease, gimme a break here. Let's just look at the wars of the 20th century and who was in office at the time shall we?

WWI - Woodrow Wilson, Democrat
WWII - FDR, Democrat
Korea - Harry Truman, Democrat
Vietnam - JFK, Democrat (granted, Eisenhower began our involvement, but Kennedy sent the troops)
Persian Gulf - George Bush, Republican

source: http://www.britannica.com

Hmm, now which is the party most likely to embroil the US in a war again? Or are you arguing that all of these (mostly) Democratic Presidents were idiots as well?

gEEk

[Gyrate]

Originally posted by gEEk
Originally posted by jr8

Let's just hope GWB doesn't get it into his head to start a little war in the meantime. :(

Ohh pulease, gimme a break here. Let's just look at the wars of the 20th century and who was in office at the time shall we?

I apologize for being unclear; I was thinking more along the lines of any military action (by which I would include Panama, Grenada, Libya, Sudan, etc.). These days, it seems *every* president has to send the military to blow up or invade someone in order to A) prove that he's not a sissy, and B) make Americans feel good about themselves. I would have made the same wish about Gore, were he likely to get into office.

That being said, I do tend to associate these little acts of national machismo to the Republicans, although maybe it's just that I'm more likely to agree with the lame excuses the Democrats put forward for the military actions they instigate than the lame excuses the Republicans put forward for theirs. Certainly I think our involvement in the two world wars was justified, I don't know enough about the beginnings of the Korean War to comment, and both parties were in it up to their eyebrows on Vietnam.

Clear now?

jr8

"I'm not too sure of the specifics of the Kosovo situation, but it sounds like we should probably drop bombs on somebody."
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