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drastic_quench
12-03-2008, 02:41 PM
The "World's Most Dangerous Toys" thread (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=495298) got me thinking about stupid stuff I did in my youth, and the stupidest thing I could recall was the pass out game. Has anyone else done this? Here was our foolproof method (lots of non-essentials I imagine):

1)Squat down and lace your fingers behind your head.

2) Rapidly inhale and exhale to a thirty count (hyperventilate).

3) Stand up quickly, drawing one large breath and hold it.

4) Still holding your breath, cross your arms tightly across your chest.

5) A second person picks you up off of the ground from behind, squeezing your crossed arms.

6) Welcome to La La Land

7) The second person releases their hug as soon as you exhale (signaling that you've lost consciousness) and carefully lays you on the ground.

We'd be out for five to ten seconds. During that time we'd experience dreams that felt hours long. No matter what, we'd always wake up disoriented - wondering how we got here, or why so many people were in our bedrooms (even if this took place elsewhere). More than once, a kid wet himself while out. This began a new step where we required a pre-voiding of the bladder.

It was doubtlessly stupid, and I'm sure it killed brain cells - but I've always been surprised at how few even knew about this - let alone attempted it. Like I said, this was a foolproof method. As long as the subject held his breath, his brain would flip that pass out switch in a matter of seconds. Anyone else have this experience?

Fiddle Peghead
12-03-2008, 02:49 PM
Never did this. I am curious: how did you discover this method? Did it develop over time? Did your older brother teach it to you?

Drunky Smurf
12-03-2008, 02:52 PM
We did this for a few months in middle school. Then one kid did it in class and got busted and then the school got all paranoid and sent a memo home to the parents to keep an eye out for this "new dangerous method of getting high".

During that time we also snorted sugar like it was coke.

I sometimes miss the "innocent" days.

Quartz
12-03-2008, 02:52 PM
No, never anything that dangerous. Wasn't there a film about this sort of thing?

drastic_quench
12-03-2008, 02:55 PM
Never did this. I am curious: how did you discover this method? Did it develop over time? Did your older brother teach it to you?
It came to school in that vague untraceable pre-internet way that urban legends used to spread. There was very likely a "kid-zero" who brought the knowledge to school from somewhere, but no one knew who he was.

Edited to add: a lot of us had taken a CPR course by this point in our lives, and we made sure at least one person in the group knew how to perform it just in case the subject didn't start breathing. Yes, it was stupid in the first place, but thankfully we never needed CPR, and the unconsciousness lasted only 5 to 10 seconds.

Shark Sandwich
12-03-2008, 02:59 PM
We used to do this in middle school, too. Then one day we did it to a kid who went into a seizure while passed out, just as the principal came walking around the corner. We never did it again after that.

EmAnJ
12-03-2008, 02:59 PM
We did a similar thing. They were called 'Wallbangers'.

We bend over, hyperventilate, stand up with our body against the wall, and a friend would use both hands to push on the carotid arteries until you pass out.

Happy Lendervedder
12-03-2008, 03:00 PM
I thought this was going to be about Pass Out - The Game (http://www.amazon.com/pass-out-a-drinking-game/dp/B0007CG6WC)

meow meow
12-03-2008, 03:07 PM
The kids in my 7th grade class would do this. There would be kids passing out all over the hallways. It only went on for a few weeks, from what I remember. That was the year for a whole lot of experimentation, come to think of it.

Mindfield
12-03-2008, 03:15 PM
Hey, I did that with some friends at a week-long party once. Was that bad? Should we not have done that?

No, seriously -- have their been situations where permanent damage has been suffered as a result of these "wallbangers?"

We didn't have a name for it, though, and we did them a little differently. One person would hyperventilate until almost passed out (no bending or squatting) then draw a big breath and hold it while up against a wall, where a friend would then place both hands on the other person's chest and push for about 10 seconds, and it was lights out for about the same.

Maybe I was a little luckier to come out of my teens alive than I thought...

Defensive Indifference
12-03-2008, 03:25 PM
I first heard of this a couple of years ago. Evidently some kids have (http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/07/13/choking.game.ap/index.html) died (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8995984) doing this kind of thing. Although the kids in the linked articles were outright choking each other into unconsiousness, I would think the more elaborate method described in the OP could do the trick too.

Omegaman
12-03-2008, 03:41 PM
When I was a kid we would use butyl or amyl nitrate. I can't remember which, but the local head shop sold it. About the same as huffing paint, although I never had that pleasure.

NAF1138
12-03-2008, 03:43 PM
We learned how to do it at summer camp. The fact that people had died from it was well known (I don't know if it was accurate, but it was widely talked about) and made it more popular because it was more dangerous.

Being 12 was awesome.

drastic_quench
12-03-2008, 03:46 PM
Seems like the deaths have come from using a strangulation method. I think the relatively safe# method here was that it was based on holding your breath. Your second really just gives you a squeeze, and there was never a point were you *couldn't* breathe if you didn't want to.

#huge qualifier

tdn
12-03-2008, 03:53 PM
Then one day we did it to a kid who went into a seizure while passed out,

We did this in junior high, until we somehow came to the conclusion that we were killing brain cells.

Just a few months ago, my brother (age 50) was on top of some playground equipment he was installing, and stood up too fast. He passed out then had a siezure. That was kind of a scary moment for the whole family.

Unintentionally Blank
12-03-2008, 03:55 PM
We did something similar....I stopped after it started giving me MASSIVE headaches.

Alice The Goon
12-03-2008, 06:00 PM
We did it somewhat differently- you gave someone an "elevator", which is where you put a joint in your mouth backward and blow smoke into the other person's mouth as they inhaled, as they stood up from a crouching position, and then pushed on their chest until they passed out. Ah, good times.

I've never heard that anyone has died from it, though I suppose it's possible somehow, but it's not really the same as "the choking game", which is where someone chokes you until you pass out, or you choke yourself with a belt or something if you're alone. The latter, choking yourself while alone, has killed quite a few teenagers over the last few years, because they can pass out before taking the belt off, and has become something of a catch phrase in my house. When my teenaged boys leave the house, I often remind them not to play the choking game. It's a joke, but I'm serious- that would be a horrible way to lose a child.

Euryphaessa
12-03-2008, 08:07 PM
I've played the choking game with a friend of mine when I was definitely old enough to know better. It was a neat feeling, but then I realized that I didn't really want to die and quit doing it. There was no intricate method like in the OP, basically we would just lock an arm around the other person's neck from behind until their knees collapsed. Fuck, we were stupid.

Harmonious Discord
12-03-2008, 08:40 PM
So this isn't the game Pass Out (http://www.drinkingstuff.com/drinkingstuff_games_ds0409.htm). Of course you can die from that too.

Jaglavak
12-04-2008, 02:37 AM
Couple of months ago a neighbor's 10 year old daughter was playing the choking game by herself with a rope. Apparently it didn't untangle right when she passed out. I'm told she hung there for about 10 minutes before she was found.

Last summer she was a cheerful little snot. Now she's a lump in a wheelchair. She's not dead - not exactly.....

Her dad is a mess. Every time she twitches a finger, he trumpets it as a sign of her impending recovery. All I can do is randomly nod in agreement. I sure hope he doesn't step off a bridge when he can't lie to himself anymore.

Apocalypso
12-04-2008, 11:44 AM
Someone tried this on me at a party when I was in high school.

"Dude, you gotta check this out, it's better than getting high!". I don't remember if my arms had to be in any special position, but I was instructed to "take the biggest breath you can and hold it as long as you can". Then the biggest guy at the party came up behind me, wrapped his arms around me, and lifted me off the ground. The air whooshed out of my lungs and I nearly blacked out. I was on my hands and knees gasping, when the first guy comes up to me, laughing.
"Dude! Isn't that the coolest thing you've ever experienced?"
"huruggh"
"Dude, you want to go again"
I motioned him closer, and he bent down next to me.
"Dude, if you ever do that to me again, you better make sure it kills me, otherwise I am going to beat you to death with my bare hands"
"Well, damn! What's wrong with you?" <walks off muttering>

jacob wrestling
12-04-2008, 02:28 PM
I'd never even heard of the game, or anything similar, until a teenager in the area died a couple of years ago when playing it alone.

A fatal game (http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/aug/16/fatal_game/)

drastic_quench
12-04-2008, 04:42 PM
Yeah, that neck compression/choking/hanging method is crazy. Ours was stupid, but I like to think it wasn't insanely suicidal.

Taber
12-04-2008, 04:52 PM
I did it once in a summer camp using a similar method as the OP. This was a summer camp that had scuba diving, and a kid did it before going on a dive. The guide was NOT pleased.

EpicNonsense
12-04-2008, 05:12 PM
And to no one's surprise... I show up here.

Most people are afraid to try it. But once I convinced some friends (whom do/done drugs) to try it they thought it was awesome. Though, not something they want to do often.

That whole "wrap the arms around you" method seems pretty crazy to me. I remember doing this once. It wasn't very comfortable and the feeling wasn't as great when awaking.

The way I've always done it was like this.

Sit down on the edge of a bed.
Lean forward with your head nearly up-side-down.
Take big breaths for about 30 seconds or 10 deep breaths.
Have a friend be ready in front of you.
Take a big breath in, then stand quickly.
Your friend would immediately apply pressure to the sides of your neck. Not really chocking, but pinching the side of the neck with your whole hand. Not covering the throat. And not a lot of pressure. You just have to have the right feel for it.
You should then slowly exhale while that person slowly laid you back on the bed.
A this point you're blacked out.
You'll be out for about 5-10 seconds.

The feeling you get when awaking is like an orgasm over your entire body that lasts a good 10 seconds. Very tingly like laughing gas. Sometimes the added hallucinative feeling from the dream (you will go into a dream state most times) will add to this effect.

I personally have done this more than 50 times when the occasion is right and have had friends request me to do it for them (maybe 40 different people). All cases are the same. I haven't had anything weird happen yet. I won't say I won't ever do this again, but it's not something I suggest. I'm a little crazy. If you don't know what you're doing or don't know the risk you're taking, don't do it. People will often convince you to try it because it is "harmless"... Don't buy it. But hey, it's your life. Do whatever the hell you want with it.

Baltrush
09-03-2014, 01:25 AM
Glad I found this, it's difficult to find information about this on the internet as everyone calls it something different.

We call squeezing someone's neck a 'neckie' and hugging someone from behind, pulling tight while they hold their breath a squeeze.

Me and my friends use drugs such as ecstasy ketamine and LSD, we often perform squeezes and neckies on each other while we are on more than one drug, and do them repeatedly, one after the other on the same person. The dreams and disorientation adds an amazing new feeling to buzz..

It's a shame they're so dangerous !

Mangetout
09-03-2014, 02:10 AM
I imagine this problem will correct itself, in the long run.

Boyo Jim
09-03-2014, 07:47 AM
I miss my Johnny Switchblade action figure! And don't get me started about Bag O' Glass!

jtur88
09-03-2014, 09:23 AM
It's a shame they're so dangerous !

So far, with all the knowledgeable discussion here, that has not been demonstrated. Except for one or two posts describing people who did it unsupervised, is there any evidence that anyone has ever been harmed as a direct result of this as a social activity?

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