Battle of the off brand Supermen - Majestic vs Supreme vs Gladiator vs Vartox

[astro]

Majestic (http://www.comicvine.com/mr-majestic/29-21972/)

vs

Supreme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_(comics))

vs

Gladiator (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Gladiator_(Kallark))

vs

Vartox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vartox)

who wins?

[Tamerlane]

You forgot Hyperion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperion_(Squadron_Supreme)) :).

[Bryan Ekers]

Captain Marvel, too.

[Grumman]

You forgot Hyperion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperion_(Squadron_Supreme)) :).
That's Hyperions.

There's also Astro City's Samaritan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritan_(comics)).

[Skald the Rhymer]

Majestic (http://www.comicvine.com/mr-majestic/29-21972/)

vs

Supreme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_(comics))

vs

Gladiator (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Gladiator_(Kallark))

vs

Vartox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vartox)

who wins?

Let's see...Vartox is by far the most powerful, but he is also an idiot.

Nah, I'll still give it to Var. Even given his stupidity, even the pre-Crisis superman never beat him outright.

[Little Nemo]

I'd add in Astonishman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_League), Atlas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS238) and the Sentry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentry_(Robert_Reynolds)). On the evil side, there's Ultraman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraman_(comics)).

[CaptMurdock]

Let's see...Vartox is by far the most powerful, but he is also an idiot.

Nah, I'll still give it to Var. Even given his stupidity, even the pre-Crisis superman never beat him outright.

Speaking of incredibly powerful and incredibly stupid -- Captain Everything from the graphic novel normalman. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalman)

[lawoot]

Since we're apparently still adding contenders for the title, how about Omni-Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omni-Man) and his son Invincible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invincible_(comics)) from Image's Invincible? Or perhaps Apollo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_(comics)) from The Authority?

[jayjay]

Don't forget Mon-El (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lar_Gand) (aka Valor).

[Der Trihs]

And there's CoreFire from Soon I Will Be Invincible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soon_I_Will_Be_Invincible#Other_Heroes).

[foolsguinea]

I don't care much so long as Gladiator gets pasted.

(Marvel has a lot of fun with ersatz Supermen: besides Gladiator of the stupid OMAC hair, they have the Sentry--who is Superman, kinda--& Ultragirl the Kree messiah)

[Lochdale]

Gladiator is significantly faster than anyone of them. He speedblitzes all of them for the win.

Sorry Foolsguinea but if we are going just by feats and powersets then Gladiator in a massive curbstomp.

[Little Nemo]

It was only a one-shot, but there's the Saint from The Pro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pro_(comics)).

[Beware of Doug]

Captain Marvel, too.Captain Marvel was not off-brand! He was "alternative." Sometimes he was a lot more fun.

[Beware of Doug]

(OK, the Marvel Captain Marvel was kinda low-rent.)

[jayjay]

(OK, the Marvel Captain Marvel was kinda low-rent.)

Captain Mar-Vell, actually.

[Skald the Rhymer]

Gladiator is significantly faster than anyone of them. He speedblitzes all of them for the win.

Sorry Foolsguinea but if we are going just by feats and powersets then Gladiator in a massive curbstomp.

Gladiator is not significantly faster than pre-Crisis Vartox, who regularly made INTERGALACTIC commutes just to hook up with cute redheads.

If the DC, pre-Crisis Captain Marvel's in the mix, though, and he's fighting in the Earth-S universe, he owns the lot of them.

[Surbey]

I think we need to throw in Artie, the strongest man in the world. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artie,_the_Strongest_Man_in_the_World) I mean, the dude fought an ocean. No small feat by any means.

[Lochdale]

Gladiator is not significantly faster than pre-Crisis Vartox, who regularly made INTERGALACTIC commutes just to hook up with cute redheads.

If the DC, pre-Crisis Captain Marvel's in the mix, though, and he's fighting in the Earth-S universe, he owns the lot of them.

No he really is a lot faster. He moves so fast that he can actually move through time. At one point, he casually interacts with Reed Richards (not flying mind you) when Richards was wearing a belt that allowed him to avoid the effects of a time dialation bubble whose affect meant that one second was the equivilent of several weeks.

I'm awarer of Vartox and Gladiator is faster. He's also faster than even PC Captain Marvel.

Gladiator speedblitz for the win.

[E-Sabbath]

Alan Moore era Supreme takes Gladiator. We're talking the last stories of the real Silver Age Superman, here.

[foolsguinea]

I'm not saying that Gladiator, as defined, couldn't paste everybody. I'm saying I hate him & want to see him brought low like the Witch-King. He's full of himself.

[astro]

Overall my money would be on Majestic as he may be an arrogant dick at times, but he is (judging by what I 've read) by far the oldest, quickest thinking tactically, most intelligent, and most ruthless (re killing outright vs trying to subdue) of them all. Possibly Omni Man is as (or more) ruthless, but his overall power set doesn't come close to Majestics.

[Lochdale]

Alan Moore era Supreme takes Gladiator. We're talking the last stories of the real Silver Age Superman, here.

They fought (though I believe it was Lieferld's Supreme) to a draw.

If you just want to go on pure feats, Gladiator wins.

[Cuckoorex]

Everyone knows that the Saint of Killers wins. From the Wikipedia article: "The Saint of Killers is completely impervious to harm. Bullets bounce off him, a direct hit from a tank doesn't affect him, being underneath a collapsing mountain simply means digging himself out, and being hit in the chest with a nuclear missile causes no damage to him or his clothes. He can easily knock away tanks with a simple kick and he can be hit by a speeding truck without flinching. He is an expert marksman able to draw his guns at superhuman speeds. He possesses a pair of Walker Colt revolvers fashioned from the Angel of Death's sword. They possess unlimited ammunition, so they never jam or need to be reloaded. They always hit their mark, even piercing modern tank armor to reach the intended target, and always inflict fatal injuries or death regardless of circumstance or nature of the victim (especially either an angel or demon). Even God and the Devil are not immune to the bullets, considering that the Saint has killed them both"

[astro]

Everyone knows that the Saint of Killers wins. From the Wikipedia article: "The Saint of Killers is completely impervious to harm. Bullets bounce off him, a direct hit from a tank doesn't affect him, being underneath a collapsing mountain simply means digging himself out, and being hit in the chest with a nuclear missile causes no damage to him or his clothes. He can easily knock away tanks with a simple kick and he can be hit by a speeding truck without flinching. He is an expert marksman able to draw his guns at superhuman speeds. He possesses a pair of Walker Colt revolvers fashioned from the Angel of Death's sword. They possess unlimited ammunition, so they never jam or need to be reloaded. They always hit their mark, even piercing modern tank armor to reach the intended target, and always inflict fatal injuries or death regardless of circumstance or nature of the victim (especially either an angel or demon). Even God and the Devil are not immune to the bullets, considering that the Saint has killed them both"

Saint of Killers is an interesting character, but as a spiritual entity really isn't a meta-human/meta-alien Superman archetype or variant in any meaningful sense.

[E-Sabbath]

Gladiator is only as strong as he thinks he is. Cannonball can, and has, kicked his ass.

Moore's Supreme is a different sort of beast than Liefeld's. He's mythic. Flying through time? He does that on a regular basis. Crossing the universe to meet his girlfriend? Heck, his _dog_ does that.

[shy guy]

Heck, Supreme has a whole room in his house (the Time Tower) that does nothing but let him travel through time.

Intergalactic travel is no big deal for him (indeed, one of this foes is a sentient galaxy) and I doubt Gladiator's ego is going to stand up too long against a being who has access to an entire dimension dedicated to alternate universe versions of himself.

And if any of the other players get sufficiently uppity, they just might find themselves living out the rest of their lives as a photoplasmic light pattern in the prism world of Amalynth!

[JThunder]

Is this a fistfight or a fashion contest? 'Cuz if fashion is involved, Vartox loses.

[Raguleader]

Is this a fistfight or a fashion contest? 'Cuz if fashion is involved, Vartox loses.

if Fashion is involved, I think Captain Marvel wins in any serious contest. I mean, comon! Double-breasted scarlet tunic? Also, he's totally sporting that gold waist sash. The lightning bolt says "I'll fuck you up. Hell, my SISTER will fuck you up!"

All that aside, seeing as Captain Marvel is the alter-ego of a normal kid gifted with superpowers, he's a superhero that ANY kid can strive to be. :cool:

That said, he pre-dates Superman, so it's not really fair to call him a knock-off. It'd be like calling The Fantastic Four a rip-off of The Incredibles. :D

[Bryan Ekers]

That said, he pre-dates Superman, so it's not really fair to call him a knock-off. It'd be like calling The Fantastic Four a rip-off of The Incredibles. :D

No, he doesn't.

Superman: Action Comics #1, June 1938
Captain Marvel: Whiz Comics #2, February 1940

[Raguleader]

No, he doesn't.

Superman: Action Comics #1, June 1938
Captain Marvel: Whiz Comics #2, February 1940

Hm, my bad. Although he still wins in the style department.:D

[E-Sabbath]

Cap'n Billy's Whiz-Bang does predate Superman, though.
http://www.aboutcomics.com/cbwb.html

[Lochdale]

Gladiator is only as strong as he thinks he is. Cannonball can, and has, kicked his ass.

Moore's Supreme is a different sort of beast than Liefeld's. He's mythic. Flying through time? He does that on a regular basis. Crossing the universe to meet his girlfriend? Heck, his _dog_ does that.

Er...not going to be an issue when Gladiator blitzes them all to death. And Supreme has never had combat speed feats on Gladiator's level.

He's just too fast.

[Bryan Ekers]

Cap'n Billy's Whiz-Bang does predate Superman, though.
http://www.aboutcomics.com/cbwb.html

Man and Superman, though, came out in 1903.

[Skald the Rhymer]

if Fashion is involved, I think Captain Marvel wins in any serious contest.


Actually he comes in second. Black Adam's costume is without equal.