Fuck you (again), Mark David Chapman

[Mr. Blue Sky]

We seem to do this every year, but, goddammit, it still pisses me off. I hope they take you out for your well-deserved-within-an-inch-of-your-life beating. Fuck you, you psycho fuck!

[Saint Zero]

I'm not sure I'd go that far. He only killed a man. He's in prision for it.

So... why all the venom? It's not a big deal.

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Originally posted by Saint Zero
I'm not sure I'd go that far. He only killed a man. He's in prision for it.

So... why all the venom? It's not a big deal.

I figured you'd stop by. I'm the type of person who can see any given situation from any viewpoint and I can certainly understand yours seeing as how you apparently don't care for Lennon. Yes, he was just a man and yes, Chapman is paying his debt to society for his crime and yes, if it were a "regular Joe", I wouldn't give a rat's ass, but I DID like Lennon and his music, so I have the right to be pissed off, even if indirectly. How about the feelings of his children and wife? Would you say what you said if a total nut job killed one of your loved ones? What if someone did that and everyone around you said, "So your spouse was killed, he/she was just a person"? You might reply that you would agree, but I seriously doubt it. Deep down, you'd want to beat the shit out of that person.

So there you have it: I ranted, you replied, I replied to that.

[woodstockbirdybird]

Originally posted by Saint Zero
I'm not sure I'd go that far. He only killed a man. He's in prision for it.

So... why all the venom? It's not a big deal.
No, he didn't only kill a man. He killed John Lennon. Like it or not, Lennon wasn't just some guy. He wrote music that touched and inspired people. I know what you're getting at, that one person's death shouldn't be any more tragic than anybody else's. Unfortunately, that's not the way it works. Think about the hoopla over Princess Di - so what, she was just a person, right? But people feel like these people are part of their lives (and no doubt they are), not just strangers you read about in the paper. Anyway, Chapman ended our chance of ever hearing more music from the guy, so I'll join in in wishing him a hearty "fuck you."

[Ike Witt]

Would this thread be here if MDC killed Ringo?

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Yes, because, either way, he would have ruined any chance of the Beatles getting back together. I truly believe they would have done so in the early 80's.

[pepperlandgirl]

I fucking hate that stupid fucking jerk!
GODDAMMIT!
FUCK!
And FUCK YES this thread would be here if he killed Ringo. We LIKE Ringo!
FUCK!
FUCK!
FUCK!

There, now I feel better.

[Anti Pro]

And send a special FU to all the people interviewing Mark David Chapman AGAIN, giving him exactly what he wanted all along, celebrity with out being talented.

[Flymaster]

Originally posted by adam yax
Would this thread be here if MDC killed Ringo?

And deprived the world of the All-Starr Band? Damn straight this thread would have been here.

Fuck you, MDC. For killing one of the most talented musicians of all time and for forcing me to sit thru a week of "Beatles Anthology" or whatever the hell it is, on VH1. When the FUCK are they going to make an Aerosmith Behind the Music, anyway?

[pricciar]

No talent?
He was a good shot, wasn't he?

[Little Nemo]

What surprises me is people who say things like "I'm against the death penalty, but I'd pull the switch on Chapman" or "In this particular case, I think Chapman should be locked up forever without parole" or "I don't normally like police brutality but I feel Chapman should be beat up by his guards" or "I'm generally opposed to violence, but I hope Chapman gets killed in a riot."

My question is why? The bottomline is Chapman killed one man. There are thousands of people in prison who have killed other people. Why is Chapman's crime any worse than theirs? Most murder victims had families who loved them and miss them as much as John Lennon's family loved and misses him. Every victim should be remembered, not just the ones who were famous. And every murderer should stay in prison as long as his or her victim remains dead.

[Lynn Bodoni]

My question is why? The bottomline is Chapman killed one man. There are thousands of people in prison who have killed other people. Why is Chapman's crime any worse than theirs? Most murder victims had families who loved them and miss them as much as John Lennon's family loved and misses him. Every victim should be remembered, not just the ones who were famous. And every murderer should stay in prison as long as his or her victim remains dead.

Because John Lennon affected the whole world. He gave many, many people a lot of happiness, and he affected many more people than his family and his immediate circle of friends. You may not particularly care for him or his music, but he was a profound influence on modern culture.

I mean, if I die, there's gonna be maybe a hundred people who mourn my death in various degrees, but Lennon had millions mourn him. By killing Lennon, Chapman removed a large source of happiness and inspiration for so very many people.

[beergeek279]

My question is why? The bottomline is Chapman killed one man. There are thousands of people in prison who have killed other people. Why is Chapman's crime any worse than theirs? Most murder victims had families who loved them and miss them as much as John Lennon's family loved and misses him. Every victim should be remembered, not just the ones who were famous. And every murderer should stay in prison as long as his or her victim remains dead.

The reason that John Lennon is dead is because he WAS famous and "the bastard" (as he should and shall here on out be referred to) made a conscious decision to fly all the way from Hawaii and kill Lennon. Not to mention the way he did it..........not only did "the bastard" fly out to NYC one time before he did it, but he had the nerve to get an autograph, wait around all day and cowardly shoot John in the back!! I agree that every murder is utterly despicable and that there are families that are grieving just as much as Lennon's family and by God those fucking evil bastards should pay, every last one of them. But the fact remains that John Lennon was known by the world AND beloved by the world (except the US government fascists, but who gives a fuck about those bastards??) and to kill a man like that.....well, that's certainly going to raise some ire!!! Too bad that cocksucker "the bastard" didn't waste himself like Oswald!!!!!!!!

Incidentally, I have no opposition to the death penalty, so I feel that I can say w/o hypocracy that "the bastard" should fry!!!!!!

[Origato]

If this motherfucker ever gets out on parole (which I understand he had the opportunity to do very recently) he will not live for another 24 hours. I guarantee it.

Chapman, fuck you, your family, and all those fuckheads who dare to call you a friend.

Assuming combat stance: BLAM, BLAM, BLAM.

DIE YOU MOTHERFUCKER... I Want you DEAD, DEAD, DEAD.

[Duck Duck Goose]

In today's paper, there's a blurb saying that Fidel Castro is unveiling a new statue of Lennon in downtown Havana, and I'm, like, "Huh?" Fidel is quoted as saying he's never been a particular fan or anything, but he does remember hearing the Beatles, way back when, and thinking they had some "nice" music.

This wouldn't be just a blatant attempt to attract more American tourist dollars, would it?

[Eutychus]

I can't help but marvel at the irony of people who want Mark David Chapman dead as much as he wanted Lennon dead.

[threemae]

Yes, bloodthirsty mobs, revenge, and vioence that's what the Beatles stood for.

God, you people really are pretty goddamed special.

[yabob]

... Too bad that cocksucker "the bastard" didn't waste himself like Oswald!!!!!!!!
Sorry to inject rationality into a good rant, but Oswald didn't waste himself. Ruby wasted him, and Ruby wasted himself.

Chapman was clearly a nutcake, like John Hinkley, Son of Sam or Arthur Bremer. Somehow, I find it harder to want retribution for somebody that is so undeniably off their trolley than for a low life like, say, Richard Allen Davis.

Lock them up, even execute them if you believe it to be the best thing to do from a standpoint of social hygiene, but it's kind of like getting mad at a wild animal that happens to off somebody.

And I'm glad he didn't fixate on Bob Dylan ...

[beergeek279]

*face reddens in great embarassment*


Shit!!!! I guess that's what happens when you get angry and post after a few cold ones....forget facts that everyone knows :( But.......umm, I'm sure that Oswald would have "committed a convenient suicide" anyway (ie, an "assisted" suicide) :)

[woodstockbirdybird]

Originally posted by threemae
Yes, bloodthirsty mobs, revenge, and vioence that's what the Beatles stood for.

God, you people really are pretty goddamed special.
Just to be fair, I don't think we ALL said we'd like for him to die. Some of us (such as myself and pepperlandgirl) just wanted to say "fuck you" to MDC. That's as far with it as I'm going.

[The_Peyote_Coyote]

Mark David Chapman deserves the extreme penalty of this society.
However, he deserves this not because John Lennon was beloved by millions of people, especially millions of idealistic leftists, but because he murdered a man who had done him no wrong in an especially cowardly fashion and he had a record of past abusive behavior.

FWIW, John Lennon was shot on my 21st birthday. What a bummer.

[threemae]

Point taken, woodstock.

But the issue still stands for Origato et al.

[oldscratch]

Originally posted by Eutychus55
I can't help but marvel at the irony of people who want Mark David Chapman dead as much as he wanted Lennon dead.


Thank you Euty...


And also threemae...




Of course the real victim in all this is Darby Crash.


sigh

[Mockingbird]

Originally posted by pricciar
No talent?
He was a good shot, wasn't he?


Not if you consider he was trying to do a service by shooting Yoko Ono and MISSED.

[imthjckaz]

Originally posted by pepperlandgirl
I fucking hate that stupid fucking jerk!
GODDAMMIT!
FUCK!
And FUCK YES this thread would be here if he killed Ringo. We LIKE Ringo!
FUCK!
FUCK!
FUCK!

There, now I feel better.


Nice post Pep, now if MDC would have done this instead of getting a gun, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
If more people would just vent and not resort to violence, the world would be a better place.
Imagine if you can.

[pepperlandgirl]

quote:

Originally posted by threemae
Yes, bloodthirsty mobs, revenge, and vioence that's what the Beatles stood
for.

God, you people really are pretty goddamed special.


Just to be fair, I don't think we ALL said we'd like for him to die. Some of us (such as myself and
pepperlandgirl) just wanted to say "fuck you" to MDC. That's as far with it as I'm going.
THank you woodstock.
I don't advocate the death penalty for any person for any crime. Not even that fucking fuck off rat-bastard.

[Saint Zero]

It's so ironic to see people who on one hand love a man whose music reflected love peace and harmony, then turn around and spew nothing but hate and anger and outrage, and even murderous thoughts at the man who killed him.

Gosh. Lennon's dead. Hating his killer NOW isn't goign to do any good. Show's over, people. MDC is in jail, enjoying his popularity that he's earned in his own twisted manner.

You're right. In one sense, I don't care simply because the beatles music never appealed to me. It happens. In another sense, I think it was stupid to kill him, simply because of the few documantaries I've seen of Lennon's life that didn't adopt the worshipful tones I've seen lately, he seemed to be finally getting his life on track. It was senseless, and that I deplore.

But the irony of seeing people hating his killer so much is irrestiable. :)


Heck, I still don't like Led Zepplin

[Typo Negative]

Originally posted by oldscratch

Of course the real victim in all this is Darby Crash.


sigh [/B]

RIP, Darby. We hardly knew ye.

[ElwoodCuse]

[denis leary quote ON]
John Lennon, takes six bullets in the chest, Yoko Ono, standing right next to him, NOT ONE FUCKING BULLET! Explain it to me, God!
[denis leary quote OFF]

Also the Cranberries have a song "I Just Shot John Lennon".

[Ablett]

That guy was a drug-taking, adulterating crowd spitter. Yeah, ok, he had some TALENT with music. Does that make him super-human? No. Does that make him sub-human? No. It makes him human. His life was no more important then a Kosavar who was massacred by Milosevic's men.

[LateComer]

Originally posted by Ablett
That guy was a drug-taking, adulterating crowd spitter. Yeah, ok, he had some TALENT with music. Does that make him super-human? No. Does that make him sub-human? No. It makes him human. His life was no more important then a Kosavar who was massacred by Milosevic's men.



You're right. So right.

Fuck you Milosovec! Fuck you and your goddam Nazi death troops! I hope you die a long, torturous death for what you did to those Kosavars!

Fuck you. Fuck each bullet in a Kosavar body. Fuck each soldier who raped a Kosavar woman. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you.

Oh, and by the way, Fuck the rest of the world's murderers for taking precious lives from the world. There's not one of you who are fit to lick the boots of the families left behind after your crimes.

Thanks, Ablett for bringing some perspective to this discussion.

And thank you Mark David Chapman for being our effigy. And fuck you too.