Rank the Star Trek movies from best to worst.

[dalej42]

I can't remember enough to do an accurate ranking right now, but I figured I'd watch all of them again.

Star Trek: The Motion Picture was so slow moving.
Star Trek: Wrath of Khan was outstanding. I've seen it so many times that the film is more familiar than the Space Seed episode itself.

I don't remember anything about Star Trek III.

Star Trek IV was a fun movie. A little too preachy at times, but overall it works.

After that, it gets a bit fuzzy. Generations was the one which had both crews. There were some weird time travel things going on.

So, how would those more knowledgeable than I rank the Star Trek movies?

[ivylass]

I'd say WOK, Undiscovered Country, Voyage Home, Search for Spock, TMP and I heard rumours about a Star Trek V, but I can't verify them.

[silenus]

I'd say WOK, Undiscovered Country, Voyage Home, Search for Spock, TMP and I heard rumours about a Star Trek V, but I can't verify them.

I concur.

[RealityChuck]

1. ST IV: The Voyage Home. The most fun and entertaining of them all.
2. ST II: The Wrath of Khan
3. ST VI: The Undiscovered Country
4. ST III: The Search for Spock
5. ST: First Contact
7. ST: Nemesis
7. ST: Generations
8. ST: TMP
9 ST: Insurrection
10. ST V: The Final Frontier

Note that only the first four can conceivably be called good movies. The rest just have various degrees of suckage.

[Bryan Ekers]

1. ST II: The Wrath of Khan

...then ten empty slots....

12. ST IV: The Voyage Home.

... then five empty slots...

18. ST VI: The Undiscovered Country
19. ST III: The Search for Spock
20. ST: First Contact
21. ST: TMP

... then five empty slots...

27. ST: Generations
28. ST: Nemesis

... then 15 empty slots....

43. ST V: The Final Frontier

... then 50 empty slots...

94. ST: Insurrection

[Khan]

The Wrath of Khan
First Contact
The Undiscovered Country
The Voyage Home
Generations
The Search for Spock
The Motion Picture
Insurrection
The Final Frontier
Forrest Gump
Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood
While You Were Sleeping
The Godfather Part III
What About Bob?
Nemesis

[What Exit?]

Great Movies:
IV: The Voyage Home (I'm in it unless you blink)
II: The Wrath of Khan

Big drop off to:
III: The Search for Spock
VIII: First Contact
VI: The Undiscovered Country
I: The Motion Picture
VII: Generations

Bad movies:
V: The Final Frontier
IX: Insurrection
X: Nemesis

[Terrifel]

II: The Wrath of KHAAAAAN!
IV: The Voyage Home, in which there be whales here.
VI: The Undiscovered Country, starring Captain Sulu. Also, intrigue!
III: The Search for Spock, guest-starring John Larroquette as Mulch the Pensive Klingon.
First Contact, featuring the Enterprise-E and Dwight Schultz.
Generations, in which Picard meets Whoopi Goldberg in heaven.
The Motion Picture: new Enterprise, a bald woman, drab footie PJs. Also we learn that you can still scream while melting in mid-transport.
Insurrection: something about a hummingbird.
Nemesis: Picard and Data go off-roadin'. Also, both encounter idiot relatives.
V: The Final Frontier: God wants a starship. Also, Spock encounters an idiot relative. The only Star Trek movie to not exist.


It used to be the rule that the even-numbered Trek films were the better ones. Looking at the above list, it now seems that a better rule of thumb might be the presence of "The" in the movie titles... although clearly this is not an absolute indicator by any means. TNG just needed more "The's," or more references to classical literature, or something.

What Exit?: I blink a lot. Were you the guy on the bus with the radio?

[What Exit?]

What Exit?: I blink a lot. Were you the guy on the bus with the radio?
:D

No, I had a much shorter moment. On the USS Enterprise CVN-61 as they pan through the hangar bay I am one of the faceless sailors in a Dixie Cap. If you check the credits you'll see the USS Ranger CV-61 stood in for the Big "E" and I was on board for the filming. One of my friends got to be the ships liason Electrician Mate. He wasn't even a Trekkie. At least I got to meet Walter Koenig and watch Nimoy direct from two excellent positions. I barely saw Nichelle Nichols though.

[Terrifel]

Wow, that's pretty awesome. You're canonical!

[Telcontar]

VI
then IV.
Then II.
Then III.

It's odd. You'd think from the numbers that there were more.

[What Exit?]

Wow, that's pretty awesome. You're canonical!

No I was an Electricians Mate not a Gunner's Mate.




Sorry, very bad joke.

I love whales, I love original Trek, I love the humor of the movie and I was briefly in the movie, so of course it is my favorite.

[SCSimmons]

The Good:
II: The Wrath of Khan
VI: The Undiscovered Country
III: The Search for Spock

The Bad:
I: The Motion Picture
IV: The Voyage Home

The Ugly:
V: The Final Frontier

Haven't seen any of the later ones. I've also never understood the love for IV. I guess I'm just weird ...

[msmith537]

IMHO

1. ST II: The Wrath of Khan
Acadamy Award for Awesomeness Winning Movie
2. ST VI: The Undiscovered Country
Matrix: Revolutions
3. ST: First Contact
4. ST IV: The Voyage Home
5. ST III: The Search for Spock
6. ST: TMP
Typical Star Trek Episode
7. ST: Generations
8. ST: Nemesis
9 ST: Insurrection
Battlefield: Earth
10. ST V: The Final Frontier

[JThunder]

Where does Galaxy Quest belong in this ranking?

[Stranger On A Train]

Where does Galaxy Quest belong in this ranking?At the top. Guy Fleegman: "Did you guys ever watch the show?!?"

I may be the only person in the world who prefers Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country to Wrath of Khan, which I found only mildly entertaining (and that only because of Ricardo Montalban, who chewed up the screen like it was angel food cake). VI has Christopher Plummer screaming Shakespeare: "Cry havoc, and let loose the dogs of war!" I think a movie with the exploits of General Chang would have been better than any subsequent films. My only complaint is that they should have killed Kirk as originally scripted, instead of the pathetic and ignominious end he received in the pointless Generations.

All other ST films are various levels of suck, though Star Trek: The Motion Picture at least gets points for impressive (for the day) set design.

Stranger

[Tangent]

1. ST IV: The Voyage Home. *Completely agree with RealityChuck here: "The most fun and entertaining of them all."
2. ST: First Contact - by far the best TNG movie
3. ST VI: The Undiscovered Country
4. ST II: The Wrath of Khan - **good, but overrated (it tops most people's lists)
5. ST: TMP
6. ST: Generations
7. ST III: The Search for Spock
8. ST: Nemesis
9 ST: Insurrection
10. ST V: The Final Frontier

*Having grown up watching TOS reruns on TV, the first Trek movie I ever saw was IV: The Voyage Home (when it was released in theaters). I thought it was great--action, drama, humor, mystery, romance. Sure, it was lighter in tone than most Trek movies, but it worked! The characters seem more real and more human to me in that movie than in any of the others. I eventually watched the previous (and subsequent) movies, hoping each time to see that "spark" again, but I've been mostly disappointed.

**Spock's sacrifice and death and Kirk's reaction is a great moment, but the final battle with Khan is laughable. It was an unimaginative 20th century screenwriter who failed to realize that 3-dimensional tactics would be 2nd nature among space-faring people like Khan and Kirk. To make it seem like a clever realization by Spock and Kirk (and a fatal flaw in Khan) is just ridiculous and it almost ruins the movie.

[Pushkin]

The best;
TVH - Fun and most definitely Trek.
TWOK - Great move to bring back the late Ricardo Montalban.
TUC - First one I saw on the big screen, a nice send off for the crew (Generations notwithstanding)
TSFS - Not more than the sum of it's parts, but those parts were entertaining. Another great guest star too.
First Contact - Fun, good to see the Borg onscreen, even if from then on the race went into decline on the small screen.

Yellow alert;
TMP - It's Trek Jim, but not entirely as we know it.
Generations - As TSFS, but a little less so. Still felt like the crew (Stewart aside) was finding it's way on the big screen a little.

Red alert;
TFF - Shatner reckons it would have been awesome if his fire breathing rock men were in it, but then what movie wouldn't be?
Insurrection - I barely remember what happened, save some sort of singing Data and Picard getting it on with a lovely lady.

Hull breach!
Nemesis - My copy of the DVD is still wrapped in cellophane.

[Pushkin]

It was an unimaginative 20th century screenwriter who failed to realize that 3-dimensional tactics would be 2nd nature among space-faring people like Khan and Kirk

With all respect, that was because Khan turned out to be an unimaginative 20th century man himself. His spacefaring was limited to being shot off in a sleeper ship (while, of course, asleep), hijacking the Enterprise, then hijacking the Reliant. Sure he could read the manuals, but he lacked experience.

I'm sure he realised that the ship could go up and down :p but his rage overcame his wisdom. His no. 2 did advise him against pursuing Kirk when he got the Genesis device. But what sort of a movie would it be if, at that point, he just ran off with it and held the Federation to ransom?

[Mr Shine]

II: Wrath of Khan
VI: Undiscovered Country
------gap------------------------
V: Final Frontier (not a typo:p)
VIII: First Contact
X: Nemesis
VII: Generations
IV: Voyage Home
I: Motion Picture
III: Search for Spock
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IX: Insurrection

[CandidGamera]

From best to worst:

Wrath of Khan
The Voyage Home
Undiscovered Country
First Contact
The Search for Spock
The Motion Picture
The Final Frontier
Nemesis
Generations
Insurrection

I just loathe Insurrection. Generations was kind of dull, like Star Trek : The Motionless Picture. And yes, I rank Star Trek V above three of the NextGen movies. It's unspeakably silly, but it has some great performances by the actors and funny, quotable lines. If I am flipping channels, and I see it on TV, I will stop and watch.

[Eleanor of Aquitaine]

My personal ranking:

1. The Wrath of Khan
2. The Motion Picture (fondness left over from my childhood)
3. The Voyage Home
4. First Contact
5. The Search for Spock
6. Generations

Then it gets a little fuzzy as to which of these is worse:
The Undiscovered Country
The Final Frontier
Insurrection

And then there's Nemesis, which I have almost succeeded in blocking out of my memory.

[carlb]

II: The Wrath of Khan
IV: The Voyage Home
VI: The Undiscovered Country
First Contact
III: The Search for Spock
Insurrection
Generations
The Motion Picture
Nemesis
V: The Undiscovered Country


Boy, it's really a close race between Nemesis and V for the worst of the list. There is an awful lot of suck in each one.

The ordering of numbers 2-4 kind of depends on what day of the week it is.

I'm going to make a plea for reconsideration of Insurrection as a somewhat better movie than everyone thinks it is. There is a little too much outright silliness for my taste (Worf singing Gilbert & Sullivan, and the utterly ridiculous joystick that pops out of the deck), but I thought it was a nice throwback to some of the more lighthearted Trek that never really made it to the movies, a la "The Trouble With Tribbles."

There's just no excuse for Nemesis and V, though.

[Angel of the Lord]

1.) First Contact
2.) II: Wrath of Khan
3.) IV: The Voyage Home

Giant drop off

4.) VI: The Undiscovered Country
5.) Generations
6.) Insurrection
7.) III: Search for Spock

Moderate drop off:

8.) The Motion Picture

Moderate drop off.

9.) Star Trek V: No, It Doesn't Exist
10.) Nemesis

1, 2, and 3 are really, really close. First Contact gets a boost, though, 'cause it was the thing that made me actually pay attention to Star Trek.

[mlees]

:D

No, I had a much shorter moment. On the USS Enterprise CVN-61 as they pan through the hangar bay I am one of the faceless sailors in a Dixie Cap. If you check the credits you'll see the USS Ranger CV-61 stood in for the Big "E" and I was on board for the filming. One of my friends got to be the ships liason Electrician Mate. He wasn't even a Trekkie. At least I got to meet Walter Koenig and watch Nimoy direct from two excellent positions. I barely saw Nichelle Nichols though.

Me too. I'm an extra in the scene where "Chekov" runs across the hangar bay. (Short guy, second rank, in dungarees, nearest camaera. Did you blink? If you do, you miss me.)

[What Exit?]

Me too. I'm an extra in the scene where "Chekov" runs across the hangar bay. (Short guy, second rank, in dungarees, nearest camaera. Did you blink? If you do, you miss me.)

Hey I was also a short guy wearing dungarees though I wasn’t near the camera and I can’t even figure out which Dixie cup wearing squid I am.
You would think it would be easy to pick us out, there were only a few hundred of us dressed identically and without a close-up.

Did you get any autographs? I got Walter’s at least.

[msmith537]

At the top. Guy Fleegman: "Did you guys ever watch the show?!?"

Try to make a rudimentary lathe...



I may be the only person in the world who prefers Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country to Wrath of Khan, which I found only mildly entertaining (and that only because of Ricardo Montalban, who chewed up the screen like it was angel food cake).

I found it close. But II wins simply because it's fun watching Shatner and Montalban chew up the screen like a couple of Hungry Hungry Hippos.


KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHNNNN!!!

[mlees]

**Spock's sacrifice and death and Kirk's reaction is a great moment, but the final battle with Khan is laughable. It was an unimaginative 20th century screenwriter who failed to realize that 3-dimensional tactics would be 2nd nature among space-faring people like Khan and Kirk. To make it seem like a clever realization by Spock and Kirk (and a fatal flaw in Khan) is just ridiculous and it almost ruins the movie.

The thing that I liked about the battle was that it showed the ships fighting like slow majestic battleships, and not swooping about like starfighters.

[mlees]

Hey I was also a short guy wearing dungarees though I wasn’t near the camera and I can’t even figure out which Dixie cup wearing squid I am.
You would think it would be easy to pick us out, there were only a few hundred of us dressed identically and without a close-up.

Did you get any autographs? I got Walter’s at least.

No.

I waited around to get Nimoy's sig, and ambushed him (I was with a coworker) in the parking lot, while he was headed for his trailer.

He looked so old and tired, I didn't have the heart to "bother" him with my "silly" request. (My coworker remained hardhearted. :) )

[Pushkin]

The thing that I liked about the battle was that it showed the ships fighting like slow majestic battleships, and not swooping about like starfighters.

I thought they were more like submarines, but the pace of the battle was nice. It's easy to swamp the screen with lots of small ships and overwhelm the viewer (George Lucas, take note.)

[What Exit?]

The thing that I liked about the battle was that it showed the ships fighting like slow majestic battleships, and not swooping about like starfighters.
The movie always reminded me of Run Silent, Run Deep and the submarine battle scenes. I loved it.
No.

I waited around to get Nimoy's sig, and ambushed him (I was with a coworker) in the parking lot, while he was headed for his trailer.

He looked so old and tired, I didn't have the heart to "bother" him with my "silly" request. (My coworker remained hardhearted. :) )
They had the chairs set up on the Hanger Bay for a while one day and I missed Nichelle as she was there briefly. Nimoy I understand never came over to sign autographs. Walter Koenig was there for an extended period and probably signed hundreds of things in a short time period. He got a laugh at mine as I had a Star Trek Role-Playing rule book with his picture in it to sign. (Why yes, I am a Trekkie and a Geek.)

[mlees]

/jealous :)

[DoubleJ]

II: The Wrath of Khan
VIII: First Contact
III: The Search for Spock
VI: The Undiscovered Country
IV: The Voyage Home
I: The Motion Picture
VII: Generations
X: Nemesis
IX: Insurrection

Yep, that's all of 'em.

TSfS doesn't get enough love, IMO. Once you accept the fact that Spock just isn't allowed to die for good, it's a good story about loyalty to one's friends and the sacrifices involved. Minus points for swapping out Saaviks, but sometimes that can't be helped. And yes, the whole "proto-matter" thing was ridiculous. The premise of the Genesis device was ridiculous too! If you can hand-wave the ability to build an entire star system from scratch out of a nebula, a process that takes millions of years, using a giant frigging explosion, it shouldn't be too hard to imagine that it might not work as planned :)

TVH, on the other hand, hasn't aged so well. I used to think it was a good movie, and funny. Now I think I'm partially biased against time-travel stories and the whole movie boils down to "look at everybody react to the weirdness of the 80s". Sorry, it just ain't that good any more. Still some great lines though, especially in the hospital.

The last four were hard to rate: Is the lamefest that was Generations better or worse than the navel-gazing two-hour effects shot that was TMP? I give an edge to TMP just due to its scale being larger. The Next Generation movies, even the good one, all felt like two-part episodes. And except for FC, they were all mediocre seventh-season episodes.

Nemesis tried so hard to be TWoK, and failed even harder.

Insurrection is the big loser, just on principle. Between the evil face-stretching aliens on a 70s-reject couch, the boob jokes and the utterly cardboard woman that Picard was supposed to have fallen for, it simply has no redeeming qualities save the only Song of the South reference I've seen in a movie for a good 20 years.

For some reason they skipped V and went straight to VI. When Netscape tried the same scam years later it didn't work out as well for them as it did for Star Trek.

[mlees]

TVH, on the other hand, hasn't aged so well. I used to think it was a good movie, and funny. Now I think I'm partially biased against time-travel stories and the whole movie boils down to "look at everybody react to the weirdness of the 80s". Sorry, it just ain't that good any more. Still some great lines though, especially in the hospital.

It seems to me that it was around this time that Star Trek seemed to move from "adventure" to "preachy".

All these Starfleet types looking down their noses at us 20th century types. I got your morals hanging right here, Admiral.

[MovieMogul]

The Wrath of Khan
First Contact
The Voyage Home
The Undiscovered Country
The Search for Spock
Generations
The Motion Picture
Nemesis
Insurrection
The Undiscovered Country

[Elendil's Heir]

ArchiveGuy, you have The Undiscovered Country twice.

I'd say:

The Wrath of Khan
First Contact
The Voyage Home
The Search for Spock
The Undiscovered Country
The Motion Picture
Generations
Nemesis
Insurrection
The Final Frontier

How cool, mlees and What Exit?, for you to both have that Ranger connection!

[BlinkingDuck]

Wrath of Khan

The Undiscovered Country

The Voyage Home.

In the past I would have switched the last 2...but having seen these within the past couple years (again) I like the order above.

There were other Star Trek movies? You sure y'all didn't dream them up?

[BlinkingDuck]

I just want to say something about KKKKKKHHHHHAAAAAANNNNNNN!

I was not a big fan of original Star Trek. I liked it and all but thought it lacked. I remember thinking...the background story universe is great! Why do the writers suck so bad?

The first Star Trek movie was gawd awful.

Then KKKKKKHHHHHHAAAAAANNNNNN! came. That was a fun movie!

KKKKKHHHHHAAAAANNNNNN! came out and was the first time I truely enjoyed Star Trek.

[mlees]

How cool, mlees and What Exit?, for you to both have that Ranger connection!

I used to think the "six degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon" stuff was a bunch of hooey, but now I'm not so sure. :D

[MovieMogul]

ArchiveGuy, you have The Undiscovered Country twice.Whoops! Guess I didn't even want to admit Part V existed. :p

The Wrath of Khan
First Contact
The Voyage Home
The Undiscovered Country
The Search for Spock
Generations
The Motion Picture
Nemesis
Insurrection
The Final Frontier

I'm fully expecting that Part XI will place somewhere in the #3-5 spot (making it the best of all the odd-numbered installments).

[Frylock]

build an entire star system from scratch out of a nebula, a process that takes millions of years, using a giant frigging explosion,[/i] it shouldn't be too hard to imagine that it might not work as planned :)
.


Wha?

I thought the Genesis Device turned dead planets into living ones (and living ones into living ones with different stuff on them or something). Whence your comments about making star systems out of nebulae?

[mlees]

Wha?

I thought the Genesis Device turned dead planets into living ones (and living ones into living ones with different stuff on them or something). Whence your comments about making star systems out of nebulae?

Genesis Planet itself was created out of the Mutara Nebula.

[Skald the Rhymer]

1. The Wrath of Khan
2. The Search for Spock / The Voyage Home / First Contact(tie)
5. The Undiscovered Country
6. Nemesis / Insurrection / Generations (tie)
9. The Motion Picture
10. Vacant

All rumors to the contrary, no such mvovie as The Final Frontier was ever made. You guys all had some bad acid that month.

[What Exit?]

Wha?

I thought the Genesis Device turned dead planets into living ones (and living ones into living ones with different stuff on them or something). Whence your comments about making star systems out of nebulae?

Rewatch the movie. The planet from #3 was created from the Mutara Nebula in #2.

[DoubleJ]

What mlees said. The demo reel (cutting-edge computer animation at the time) showed it working on a planet (maybe a moon)* but the actual detonation was in the Mutara Nebula that Khan, on Reliant, chased Enterprise into. The Genesis device blowed up real good, and where there used to be a purple-pink cloud of gas with hellacious lightning there was now a star and a planet that was rapidly degenerating.

Was it TSfS movie or novelization that had one of the scientists remarking about the "stellar creation subroutines" kicking in?

* Probably old hat for everybody here, but in case you hadn't heard about it before: In the animation, the camera flew through the newly-formed mountain range. Rather than spend the time and money to re-compute the whole thing, they cut a valley into the mountains of the camera to fly through. Watch closely and you can see a hunk of rock just disappear as the fly-by happens.

[Skald the Rhymer]

1. ST II: The Wrath of Khan

...then ten empty slots....

12. ST IV: The Voyage Home.

... then five empty slots...

18. ST VI: The Undiscovered Country
19. ST III: The Search for Spock
20. ST: First Contact
21. ST: TMP

... then five empty slots...

27. ST: Generations
28. ST: Nemesis

... then 15 empty slots....

43. ST V: The Final Frontier

... then 50 empty slots...

94. ST: Insurrection


Insurrection belongs higher, as it has Donna Murphy in it, who, being Donna Murphy, is NOT TO BE MOCKED!

[What Exit?]

Insurrection belongs higher, as it has Donna Murphy in it, who, being Donna Murphy, is NOT TO BE MOCKED!

Who the heck is Donna Murphy?

[Skald the Rhymer]

Who the heck is Donna Murphy?

At long last, proof you're not me!

Donna Murphy was the love interest in Insurrection. More importantly, she won a Tony award in '94 for her performance in Stephen Sondheim's Passion (otherwise known as the best damn muscial ever made). She also played Mrs. Octavius in Spider-Man 2.

Just so you know, I am fighting to restrain my enthusiasm. Asking me a casual question about Donna Murphy is like asking you about Heinlein & Tolkien at the same time.

[mlees]

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1714591744/tt0120844 (Photo of Donna Murphy in film to jog memories.)

[What Exit?]

At long last, proof you're not me!

Donna Murphy was the love interest in Insurrection. More importantly, she won a Tony award in '94 for her performance in Stephen Sondheim's Passion (otherwise known as the best damn muscial ever made). She also played Mrs. Octavius in Spider-Man 2.

Just so you know, I am fighting to restrain my enthusiasm. Asking me a casual question about Donna Murphy is like asking you about Heinlein & Tolkien at the same time.
BTW Skald, I think West Side Story is the greatest musical ever made. But to each their own.
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1714591744/tt0120844 (Photo of Donna Murphy in film to jog memories.)
I have somehow never noticed her before. Though in fairness her movie & TV credits are not really major. I barely remember the movie Insurrection, I did place it lower than V as you can see above.

[Dr. Rieux]

1. ST IV: The Voyage Home.
2. ST II: The Wrath of Khan
3. ST: TMP
4. ST III: The Search for Spock
5. ST: Insurrection
6. ST VI: The Undiscoverd Country
7. ST: First Contact
8. ST: Generations
9 ST V: The Final Frontier
10. ST: Nemesis

[Frylock]

What mlees said. The demo reel (cutting-edge computer animation at the time) showed it working on a planet (maybe a moon)* but the actual detonation was in the Mutara Nebula that Khan, on Reliant, chased Enterprise into. The Genesis device blowed up real good, and where there used to be a purple-pink cloud of gas with hellacious lightning there was now a star and a planet that was rapidly degenerating.

.

I never noticed the planet showing up after the detonation.

I always thought the Genesis Planet was just the planet the research team had been orbitting, now moved on to the next stage of development or something.

Oops.

-FrL-

[mlees]

I never noticed the planet showing up after the detonation.

I always thought the Genesis Planet was just the planet the research team had been orbitting, now moved on to the next stage of development or something.

Oops.

-FrL-

At the end of ST:II, you have a shot of McCoy asking Kirk (located on the bridge of the Big E) "How do you feel?" "I feel... young."

Anywhoo... there is a shot over their shoulders, focused on the viewscreen in front of them, with a view of the planet coming together. (Kinda still looks molten at this point.)

I don't remember which movie had the "funeral", with a view of the torpedo casing/coffin being shot towards the (now fully formed and cooler) planet.

[Skald the Rhymer]

BTW Skald, I think West Side Story is the greatest musical ever made.


Fool of a Took!

There. I feel better than James Brown. I feel better now.

Sondheim only wrote the lyrics to WSS; the score is not his. Thus is its brilliance limited.

And she's the only thing I remember about Insurrection. I was very careful to program the neuralizer so that she was all that remained.

Go buy the Passion cast album--the Broadway version, not the London. You'll thank me.

[What Exit?]

I don't remember which movie had the "funeral", with a view of the torpedo casing/coffin being shot towards the (now fully formed and cooler) planet.

That was the end of ST II with Scotty playing amazing grace and I think it was shown again in the beginning of ST III.

[Elendil's Heir]

Who the heck is Donna Murphy?

I can't say I'm a huge fan of her, but I remember that she was also very good as the long-suffering wife of Stanley Tucci's evil-billionaire character in the first season of Murder One.

[Frylock]

At the end of ST:II, you have a shot of McCoy asking Kirk (located on the bridge of the Big E) "How do you feel?" "I feel... young."

Anywhoo... there is a shot over their shoulders, focused on the viewscreen in front of them, with a view of the planet coming together. (Kinda still looks molten at this point.)

It is possible this explains exactly why I've missed this bit of information. I remember finding the line "I feel... young" sort of puzzling. I bet, then, that when I heard the line, I looked up at others in the room watching with me, to see if they were puzzled too. And I bet that's when I missed seeing the forming of the Genesis planet!

-FrL-

[Elendil's Heir]

It is possible this explains exactly why I've missed this bit of information. I remember finding the line "I feel... young" sort of puzzling. I bet, then, that when I heard the line, I looked up at others in the room watching with me, to see if they were puzzled too. And I bet that's when I missed seeing the forming of the Genesis planet!...

For years - until I was set right in another SDMD thread - I thought Kirk's line was "I feel... yeah!", as if he was just expressing a generally positive outlook. Before that it was always a WTF? moment for me when I watched that scene.

[mlees]

It is possible this explains exactly why I've missed this bit of information. I remember finding the line "I feel... young" sort of puzzling. I bet, then, that when I heard the line, I looked up at others in the room watching with me, to see if they were puzzled too. And I bet that's when I missed seeing the forming of the Genesis planet!

-FrL-

Kirk, back inside the test planetoid, said he was feeling old (his son he never got to know was just killed by a man he hadn't seen in a long time).

Dr. Carol Marcus said that she had something to show Kirk that would make him feel young again (as it did her).

I guess the wonder at seeing lush life spring from nothingness might do that for some folks.

But the "I feel... young." was a sorta reference back to that scene.

[Frylock]

Kirk, back inside the test planetoid, said he was feeling old (his son he never got to know was just killed by a man he hadn't seen in a long time).

Dr. Carol Marcus said that she had something to show Kirk that would make him feel young again (as it did her).

I guess the wonder at seeing lush life spring from nothingness might do that for some folks.

But the "I feel... young." was a sorta reference back to that scene.

That would have totally made sense to me if I'd noticed the Genesis planet out the window! :p

[Frylock]

(his son he never got to know was just killed by a man he hadn't seen in a long time).


Now wait a minute. This time I know there's not just some easy thing I missed here.

Kirk's son wasn't killed til the third movie, or else I am insane. Or I am superbly unobservant and prone to confabulation.

-FrL-

[mlees]

Now wait a minute. This time I know there's not just some easy thing I missed here.

Kirk's son wasn't killed til the third movie, or else I am insane. Or I am superbly unobservant and prone to confabulation.

-FrL-

:smack: You're right. My apologies. Ignore that little plot transposition.

I know that in the beginning of II, Kirk had a birthday party, and he was feeling a little sorry for himself.

By the end of the movie, I guess getting out and having some space adventure/battles/brush with death puts a little bit of strut back in his stride.

[Pushkin]

Kirk, back inside the test planetoid, said he was feeling old (his son he never got to know was just killed by a man he hadn't seen in a long time)

As pointed out, that was in TSFS. But the theme was the same, he saw his son for the first time in ages, not recognising him at first.

[mlees]

As pointed out, that was in TSFS. But the theme was the same, he saw his son for the first time in ages, not recognising him at first.

Yeah. But it got me to wondering. (Consider my post just above this one.)

I don't think Kirk felt young at the end of ST:II because he saw a planet being assembled. I think the events that transpired between his "birthday party" at the beginning and his feelings for his comrades at the end.

A close friend of his chose to give his life to save everyone else.

That inspires probably a wierd mix of feelings, I assume, in Kirk:

1) Survivors guilt, maybe, with

2) a little humility ("Day-um. Would I have chosen the same as Spock? I'm honored to have befriended such a selfless dude. Alien. Whatever."), and

3) feelings of a new lease on life ("we were this close to buying it on this one, and only through Spock's actions, and not my own, did I make it out alive. Where's Carol at? I feel like celebrating...").

[The Second Stone]

1. ST IV: The Voyage Home. The most fun and entertaining of them all.
2. ST II: The Wrath of Khan
3. ST VI: The Undiscovered Country
4. ST III: The Search for Spock
5. ST: First Contact
7. ST: Nemesis
7. ST: Generations
8. ST: TMP
9 ST: Insurrection
10. ST V: The Final Frontier

Note that only the first four can conceivably be called good movies. The rest just have various degrees of suckage.

Your first two are my first two. Good movies and an enjoyable time. I don't ever need to see the rest of them twice though.

[Pushkin]

I don't think Kirk felt young at the end of ST:II because he saw a planet being assembled. I think the events that transpired between his "birthday party" at the beginning and his feelings for his comrades at the end.

I'd always assumed it was just that he was back in the Captains chair. As much as he mourned the loss of his friend (and those other guys who died of course) it was his way and he missed it.

Which is what Spock alluded to at the start of the film, "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times." (Actually only just realised that as I wrote :smack: )