Fringe 2/10/09

[Mahaloth]

I like Mr. Jones; I hope they aren't going to kill him off after his time travel/teleportation.

Actually, I hope they get rid of that agent who is trying to shut down everything the Fringe people do. I don't think this show needs someone working against them(except actual villains).

[Mahaloth]

April?

There are no new episodes until April? They are missing all of March sweeps(sweeps got moved to March this year).

:confused:

:mad:

[Cluricaun]

Yeah, Fox blows at television despite having nearly all the shows that are worth watching.

This was the best episode yet of this entire series. I'm into the players, I'm into what's happening, I just dig this show. I really hope that Fox doesn't blow this one, but I'm not holding my breath.

I have also changed course and decided that Agent Dunham is hawt.

[Finagle]

Anyone know the significance of the last scene and the word that was typed ("ability")?

[simster]

Anyone know the significance of the last scene and the word that was typed ("ability")?

In reading the manifesto, they kept showing the y being out of line... Walter was checking the typewriter for a similar type, basically proving that Walter wrote the Manifesto.

As for Mr. Jones - Walter's earlier comment was that the teleportation device didn't kill you, and the implication from the manifesto was a "multiverse", my assumption is that our Mr. Jones has gone to another version of it, likely the one our bald headed visitor comes from.

Did you spot him?

[Tangent]

Did you spot him?

When the guy from the newsstand was flailing about, he bumped into The Observer, right?

[cmyk]

When the guy from the newsstand was flailing about, he bumped into The Observer, right?

I don't think so... that guy had hair I think.

Definitely the best episode to date. Loved the plot device with the lights, for some reason I just didn't see that coming with the bomb.

We get a few answers too:

1) Olivia was experimented on by Dr. Bell when she was a child, implicating she has mental abilities beyond mere mortals.

2) Walter, at some point in the past, (discovered?) had privy information about an alternate universe that is far more technically advanced than ours, and is waging war against us. He wrote this up in the manifesto, yet never recalled authoring it. Unless... it was written by Dr. Bell?

3) From that we can safely assume The Observer is from this alternate universe.


Questions:

1) Will Olivia eventually be recruited in this "war", despite her resistance?

2) Did Walter, in fact, write the manifesto?

3) Is The Observer for us, against us, or neutral as his nick-name implies? Is he the main guy behind all the weird shenanigans?

4) WTF did Mr. Jones turn into at the end?

5) Are we finally done with the stupid submersion tank?

[Tangent]

I don't think so... that guy had hair I think.

I just rewatched that bit. I'm pretty sure we see The Observer (wearing a hat) as the newsstand guy is stumbling around. He doesn't actually bump into him, but we see The Observer up close as he steps out of the way. I'm not talking about the guy who paid for the newspaper with the 2 dollar bill--we don't see his face, but he had hair.

[Cat Whisperer]

We saw The Observer, too.

A few episodes back, wasn't there some indication that Walter had experimented on Peter as a child, too? I wouldn't be surprised if he turns into a recruit too (and I think Olivia will be recruited). Walter doesn't recall many of the things from his past - it isn't a stretch to believe he wrote the manifest.

I was guessing that Mr. Jones turned into a gelatinous blob at the end, but it looks like he busted his way out of the room, so I'm changing that to gelatinous Hulk.

What was the big whoop about Massive Dynamic woman's hand? I know it's a fake hand, but why go to the trouble of telling us it was glitching and then was fixed?

[Cluricaun]

Walter, at some point in the past, (discovered?) had privy information about an alternate universe that is far more technically advanced than ours, and is waging war against us. He wrote this up in the manifesto, yet never recalled authoring it.

This is why Jones was wetting his pants over meeting Walter. Walter definately wrote the manifesto, probably shortly before inducing insanity in himself in an effort to try and stop what he had put into motion already. The biggest mistake that anyone has made is springing Walter from the nut house at all.

[jali]

I loved this episode too!

I thought, "yay, intubation - he's saved"... but naw - that was an amazing scene.

I enjoyed the McGyvering of the watch to insure a private conversation. Cool.

Fox has no sweeps worries. AI is back.

[Cat Whisperer]

This is why Jones was wetting his pants over meeting Walter. Walter definately wrote the manifesto, probably shortly before inducing insanity in himself in an effort to try and stop what he had put into motion already. The biggest mistake that anyone has made is springing Walter from the nut house at all.
I would like to argue with you, since Walter is such an endearing character, but I can't. It will make it all the more chilling when we find out his whole story because he is so endearing.

[simster]

I would like to argue with you, since Walter is such an endearing character, but I can't. It will make it all the more chilling when we find out his whole story because he is so endearing.

I'm not sure it will be all that chilling - we know that he did dangerous experimenets, we know that his mind works well beyond most capabilities - him writing a manifesto doesnt make him evil or anything.

What will be scary is him discovering that he was right -and/or discovering what it was that sent him to the nuthouse to protect the secrets he had found.

[jali]

Oh. I forgot my LOL moment.

"Walter, leave the cow alone" - or something close.

[well he's back]

Guys - remind me who Dr. Bell is again. Thanks.
I liked this episode too. Maybe Walter didn't write the manifesto - though it seems most likely. Weren't there other people using that lab and typewriter? And it doesn't seem like the Observer is waging war, so who is?
and was Peter's presence necessary for Olivia to diffuse the lights/bomb? Just wondering.

[Sage Rat]

Why does everyone refer to a manifesto that was either way written in English by its German title?

[simster]

Guys - remind me who Dr. Bell is again. Thanks.
I liked this episode too. Maybe Walter didn't write the manifesto - though it seems most likely. Weren't there other people using that lab and typewriter? And it doesn't seem like the Observer is waging war, so who is?
and was Peter's presence necessary for Olivia to diffuse the lights/bomb? Just wondering.

Dr. Bell was Walter's partner in the early days - Walter went crazy, Dr. Bell founded Massive Dynamics.

While there may have been other people using the typewriter, I'd say the style and content of the Manifesto match Walter - plus the fact that Walter 'left' science for those years after having written it.

We don't know the Observer's 'mission' at this point, we only know that he is present at many (if not all) of these events that involve 'Fringe' science (being investigated as a 'pattern'by the FBI).

I don't believe Peter's presence was needed, other than for Olivia's benefit at the end - to help convince her she actually did something. I do believe that Peter's also part of the drug trial, but likely unknown to Dr. Bell and the others - Walter probably knows.

Why does everyone refer to a manifesto that was either way written in English by its German title?

I am going to assume that after the manifesto was 'released', a copy was made in German, and the group liked the initials. Every Manifesto has its followers....

[simster]

What was the big whoop about Massive Dynamic woman's hand? I know it's a fake hand, but why go to the trouble of telling us it was glitching and then was fixed?

I think this was a parallel to something out of the Manifesto - that technology will ultimately fail us.

[Atomicflea]

I think this was a parallel to something out of the Manifesto - that technology will ultimately fail us.
OR, as stated before
In reading the manifesto, they kept showing the y being out of line... Walter was checking the typewriter for a similar type, basically proving that Walter wrote the Manifesto.

Maybe her twitchy hand proves that she wrote it. Maybe she had access to Walter's head through some sort of technology.

[simster]

OR, as stated before
In reading the manifesto, they kept showing the y being out of line... Walter was checking the typewriter for a similar type, basically proving that Walter wrote the Manifesto.

Maybe her twitchy hand proves that she wrote it. Maybe she had access to Walter's head through some sort of technology.

hmmm - I think its far simpler than that - the Manifesto was a warning against overuse of technology, as well as a blueprint for the 'coming battle' - If she wrote it, she'd likely not have the robot hand or head up the major tech company.

[Tangent]

Walter mentions that his teleportation device could be used for time travel, right? If so, there's a possibility that he is the author of the manifesto, but he hasn't written it yet.

[Cluricaun]

Walter mentions that his teleportation device could be used for time travel, right? If so, there's a possibility that he is the author of the manifesto, but he hasn't written it yet.

Interesting idea, but then wouldn't Walter have turned into whatever it is that Jones did? I really wish that they had let Walter say what it was that the teleporter did to people..........

[Tangent]

Well, he wouldn't have to travel back in time himself--just send the manifesto back.

[Cat Whisperer]

Walter mentions that his teleportation device could be used for time travel, right? If so, there's a possibility that he is the author of the manifesto, but he hasn't written it yet.
Writers of the show, if you're listening, I can live with a multiverse, but for the love of all that's holy, can we leave time travel out of this show? Thanks.

[RikWriter]

and was Peter's presence necessary for Olivia to diffuse the lights/bomb? Just wondering.

I don't think so...I think he came back because he's in love with Olivia.

[The Controvert]

Or maybe it was Peter who turned off the lights with mind powers?

[Sage Rat]

Or maybe it was Peter who turned off the lights with mind powers?

Well we already know that she has photographic memory, plus the lady said that there were drug tests where she lived. She is also the main character of the story, and our main villain potentially just turned into some sort of mini-deity. Giving her some mild superpowers seems to be the best solution to letting her come out as the ultimate victor.

She is...the Chosen One (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChosenOne).

[MaxTheVool]

I was definitely thinking that Dr. Bell wrote the manifesto. We know he was Walter's neighbor and partner back in the day. And maybe he wrote the manifesto, decided to fight, and the actual secret purpose of Massive Dynamic is to be earth's last line of defense against the others.

[Cluricaun]

I was definitely thinking that Dr. Bell wrote the manifesto. We know he was Walter's neighbor and partner back in the day. And maybe he wrote the manifesto, decided to fight, and the actual secret purpose of Massive Dynamic is to be earth's last line of defense against the others.

I was thinking more about this today...........what if Walter is Dr. Bell?