[retitled] Presidential determination re Palestine

[butwhat]

There is a link to a copy of the order at this link

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/02/07/obama-signs-executive-order-allowing-palestinians-loyal-to-hamas-to-resettle-in-us.php

Published: February 7, 2009 - 3:01 PM
President Barack Obama has signed an executive order allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to resettle in the United States. Sure, what can go wrong when we allow hundreds of thousands of people who have been, as Mark Steyn memorably described, "marinated" in a "sick death cult," who voted for Hamas, and 55% of whom support suicide bombings live here and at the American taxpayers' expense:
. . .
Anyone else seeing a pattern here?

[Exapno Mapcase]

Let's hope this gets put to rest quickly. For the record, however, that link also corrects the term "executive order." It is not. It is a presidential determination. And guess what. George W. Bush signed a similar one in 2007. It is a humanitarian statement that will not bring in hundreds of thousands of Palestinians.

I've reported the post.

[butwhat]

Let's hope this gets put to rest quickly. For the record, however, that link also corrects the term "executive order." It is not. It is a presidential determination. And guess what. George W. Bush signed a similar one in 2007. It is a humanitarian statement that will not bring in hundreds of thousands of Palestinians.

I've reported the post.

And what are all of the other good things Georgey boy did for us?
Do you have a copy of the Presidential Determination Georgey boy signed or a link?
And you reported this post why?
Wouldn't you rather have be people be informed of the inaccuracy of this widely distributed email?

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http://www.transformmi.com/Dearborn-House-of-Prayer.cfm

I heard some streets you dont want to walk down, if you dont pray to allah when the prayer starts you get beat to hell.

[RealityChuck]

There is no general question, so, at the very least, it should be reported for being in the wrong forum.

[butwhat]

You are such a stickler.
But there is a question in the third post. AS yet unanswered.

[Dewey Finn]

FYI, here (http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/E9-2488.htm) is the entire text of the presidential determination signed by President Obama:

[Federal Register: February 4, 2009 (Volume 74, Number 22)]
[Presidential Documents]
[Page 6115]
From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov]
[DOCID:fr04fe09-106]



Presidential Documents




[[Page 6115]]


Presidential Determination No. 2009-15 of January 27,
2009


Unexpected Urgent Refugee and Migration Needs
Related To Gaza

Memorandum for the Secretary of State

By the authority vested in me by the Constitution and
the laws of the United States, including section
2(c)(1) of the Migration and Refugee Assistance Act of
1962 (the ``Act''), as amended (22 U.S.C. 2601), I
hereby determine, pursuant to section 2(c)(1) of the
Act, that it is important to the national interest to
furnish assistance under the Act in an amount not to
exceed $20.3 million from the United States Emergency
Refugee and Migration Assistance Fund for the purpose
of meeting unexpected and urgent refugee and migration
needs, including by contributions to international,
governmental, and nongovernmental organizations and
payment of administrative expenses of Bureau of
Population, Refugees, and Migration of the Department
of State, related to humanitarian needs of Palestinian
refugees and conflict victims in Gaza.

You are authorized and directed to publish this
memorandum in the Federal Register.


(Presidential Sig.)

THE WHITE HOUSE,

Washington, January 27, 2009

[FR Doc. E9-2488
Filed 2-3-09; 8:45 am]

Billing code 4710-10-P

[Gfactor]

I'm moving this from General Questions to Great Debates.

Gfactor
General Questions Moderator

[Dewey Finn]

Also, please read this article (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=89032) from WorldnetDaily. The lead reads, "Contrary to some news media reports, President Obama did not authorize Palestinian 'refugees' to migrate to the U.S. as part of emergency assistance following Israel's 22-day war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip."

[butwhat]

And how does 20.3 million for pali's help us here? In our current financial situation, with our energy, water, environmental & urban sprawl concerns I see little motive to increase immigration in any way shape or form. Especially potential hostiles. Which we apparently have already imported to Dearborn & that seems to be working out pretty good for us, How?

[butwhat]

Also, please read this article (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=89032) from WorldnetDaily. The lead reads, "Contrary to some news media reports, President Obama did not authorize Palestinian 'refugees' to migrate to the U.S. as part of emergency assistance following Israel's 22-day war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip."

Now that was a good post.
Thank you

[Dewey Finn]

FYI, I found that article and many more by searching on the title of the determination (Unexpected Urgent Refugee and Migration Needs Related To Gaza). So you can do more reading if you like.

[Tenar]

Just so you know, butwhat, descriptive thread titles are very strongly encouraged here. The title of this thread left things a wee bit nebulous, to put it mildly.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

And how does 20.3 million for pali's help us here?
How does giving $3 billion a year to Israel help us here? We literally spend $20 million dollars about every 8 seconds (http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home) in Iraq. How has that helped us here?

$20 million in aid is nothing. We've lost -- literal lost,as in misplaced, don't know where it is -- 400 times that amount (http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/30/iraq.audit/) in Iraq.

Thanks to Dewey for harpooning this so quickly.

[butwhat]

How does giving $3 billion a year to Israel help us here? We literally spend $20 million dollars about every 8 seconds (http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home) in Iraq. How has that helped us here?

$20 million in aid is nothing. We've lost -- literal lost,as in misplaced, don't know where it is -- 400 times that amount (http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/30/iraq.audit/) in Iraq.

Thanks to Dewey for harpooning this so quickly.

If we spent the same amounts to become energy independant We wouldn't be involved in the middle east at all.
We give them money either directly or for oil & then they attack us. Is it just me or does a part of that seem really stupid?

And I really truly do not understand why we let Moslem immigrants stay or accept more. Any Moslem immigrant is a potential terrorist & a threat to national security. Look at Dearborn, Michigan.
Kick out everybody from the middle east that is not a citizen.
If a few innocents get kicked out along the way, to bad so sad. It is a matter of national security. If'n you don't think so, you need to do some reading about 9-11 and other attacks perpetrated here & there.

[Gfactor]

Just so you know, butwhat, descriptive thread titles are very strongly encouraged here. The title of this thread left things a wee bit nebulous, to put it mildly.

That's true. I aplogize for not fixing the title when I moved the thread. I was working on two things at once and simply forgot. By the time I realized my error, I was involved in another project, so I asked one of the Great Debates moderators to change it for me.

[jayjay]

And I really truly do not understand why we let Moslem immigrants stay or accept more. Any Moslem immigrant is a potential terrorist & a threat to national security. Look at Dearborn, Michigan.
Kick out everybody from the middle east that is not a citizen.
If a few innocents get kicked out along the way, to bad so sad. It is a matter of national security. If'n you don't think so, you need to do some reading about 9-11 and other attacks perpetrated here & there.

Aaaand he dives right down the hole! I give it a 3.0, as far as racist, xenophobic rants go. Note enough of the crazy. All I see is a little bit of paranoia and a whole lot of ignorance.

[Revenant Threshold]

Out of interest, what did happen in Dearborn, Michigan?

[Captain Amazing]

Out of interest, what did happen in Dearborn, Michigan?

It's suffering pretty badly from the whole Ford mess and decline of the American auto industry, but I don't see how that's the Arabs' fault (except indirectly, because the Arab oil embargo of the 70s led to increased purchases of smaller, more fuel efficient Japanese cars, while the US car manufactures, who's models tended to be larger, were slow to adopt to the change in American auto buying. But the Dearborn Arabs weren't generally responsible for this policy.)

Dearborn, btw, is the city with the largest Arab population in the US. It has its problems, along with the rest of the Detroit area, Michigan, and the rust belt in general, but I don't see that it's particularly terrible.

[jayjay]

Out of interest, what did happen in Dearborn, Michigan?

Judging from the OP's tone, the fact that Dearborn is the city with the largest Arab population in the US is the problem.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Out of interest, what did happen in Dearborn, Michigan?
It has a relatively large Arab-American population -- most of them descended from Lebanese Christians who immigrated in the early part of the 20th Century, but some more recent Arab Muslims as well. There's also a big Mosque.

They haven't done anything. They haven't turned into terrorists, or rioted or burned anything down. They just live there. I suppose that's enough to horrify some people, though.

[BrainGlutton]

In our current financial situation, with our energy, water, environmental & urban sprawl concerns I see little motive to increase immigration in any way shape or form.

See post #6. Nothing in the presidential determination relaxes immigration rules.

[butwhat]

http://www.transformmi.com/Dearborn-House-of-Prayer.cfm

I heard some streets you dont want to walk down, if you dont pray to allah when the prayer starts you get beat to hell.

Quote from a friend in Dearborn. Link is broken now.

By the way what's racist to not want the kind of folk that attacked the towers til successful here? Remember back when Osama was in Michigan and we let him go? I suppose I was racist for not wanting to let an enemy of our fine country loose on the world then also.
Not wanting to harbor our enemies is not racist. Wanting to harbor our enemies & arm them and give them money is stupid. Where do you suppose the terrorrists get their money? We give it to them.
Kind of like thinking gun control will disarm criminals.

[ladyfoxfyre]

Ooookay.

[butwhat]

Originally Posted by butwhat
In our current financial situation, with our energy, water, environmental & urban sprawl concerns I see little motive to increase immigration in any way shape or form.

See post #6. Nothing in the presidential determination relaxes immigration rules.

That was a general referance to immigration at this time being foolish. Our environment can't stand the population we have now. There is no reason to accept any immigrants til we get our ducks in a row.
Until we get the afore mentioned problems taken care of and become self sufficient allowing the illegals to stay and encouraging legal or illegal immigration is not in our best interests.

[jayjay]

http://www.transformmi.com/Dearborn-House-of-Prayer.cfm

I heard some streets you dont want to walk down, if you dont pray to allah when the prayer starts you get beat to hell.

Quote from a friend in Dearborn. Link is broken now.

By the way what's racist to not want the kind of folk that attacked the towers til successful here? Remember back when Osama was in Michigan and we let him go? I suppose I was racist for not wanting to let an enemy of our fine country loose on the world then also.
Not wanting to harbor our enemies is not racist. Wanting to harbor our enemies & arm them and give them money is stupid. Where do you suppose the terrorrists get their money? We give it to them.
Kind of like thinking gun control will disarm criminals.

Kindly provide a cite for...well, for ANYTHING in this post. Are there police reports from the beatings in Dearborn? Is there a news article about Osama in Michigan? Because I can't find anything googling "Osama in Michigan" that's about Osama bin Laden being "let go" from Michigan.

As for where the terrorists get their money, Al Qaeda was started by bin Laden from his own fortune, made in construction. Now, of course, its continuing operating costs are paid by donations from people who agree with its goals. That's a demographic we've had a large part in increasing in the last 8 years. And yes, we do give it to them, too, mostly through what we pay for oil.

[Fear Itself]

By the way what's racist to not want the kind of folk that attacked the towers til successful here? What does that have to do with Muslims?

[BrainGlutton]

By the way what's racist to not want the kind of folk that attacked the towers til successful here?

It might or might not be racist, depending on what you mean by "the kind of folk." Your inclusion of Palestinians in that category because they are Palestinians suggests it is.

Remember back when Osama was in Michigan and we let him go?

:rolleyes: Cite that Osama bin Laden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_laden) has visited the U.S. since 9/11/01, or, indeed, ever in his life?!

Kind of like thinking gun control will disarm criminals.

:) And the award for Most Fatuous and Irrelevant Nonsequitur of the Week goes to butwhat!

[Captain Amazing]

Not wanting to harbor our enemies is not racist.

You're correct. Not wanting to harbor our enemies isn't racist. The thing is, the Muslim population in general isn't America's enemy. There's a segment of the Muslim population, made up of groups like Al Qaeda, or Hamas, or Hezbollah, and those people who support them, that do hate America, and we need to stop them however we can.

But the thing to remember is that people who think like the Al Qaeda people don't make up the majority of the Muslim world. They don't even make a very large minority of the Muslim world. Keep in mind that long before Al Qaeda even tried to attack the US, their attacks were against Muslim governments and Muslim populations.

Most Muslims, and most Muslims who live in the US, are law abiding people who want the same rights everyone else has. They want to worship freely, work hard, and take care of their families. They get involved in civic affairs, they pay their taxes, they donate to and volunteer for charity, they vote, they serve in the millitary, and Al Qaeda hates them just as much, if not more, than they hate people like you or me.

The German philosopher Freidrich Nietzche said, "A person has to be careful when fighting monsters that he doesn't become a monster himself." So, please, lets be careful that when we rightly criticize people like bin Laden and his followers that we don't also falsely criticize innocent Americans because of their ethnicity or religious membership.

[butwhat]

We have no real need to allow immigration of any kind in our present financial situation. Kinda like I don't like the Brother-in-law and he definately ain't staying here while we're strapped for cash.
Ask the Lebanese, the french & the english how they feel about welcoming the Moslems now.

24/7 Prayer Tower Planned for Dearborn

Dearborn Michigan has the unique title of “the little Gaza.” Here within the state of Michigan we have the largest settlement of Muslims this side of the Middle East. Because of the thousands of Muslims from Iraq and the Middle East that have settled within Michigan, there is an increasing potential for a great Islamic uprising in this region.

In the City of Hamtramck, Michigan, just east of Dearborn, two years ago the call to Muslim prayer was passed by voters. Hamtramck now has the distinction of being the first city within the United States that has permitted the Islamic call to prayer. Five times a day through loud speakers from Islamic Mosques, prayers to Allah are being released into the airways of our state. These prayers to Allah are impacting the atmosphere and the anti-Christ spirit and mindset is being tolerated. It is even being embraced by the people of our nation, while our Christian rights and heritage are being challenged in the courts and our rights are slowly being taken from us. Our response as the church can not be to stand by apathetically and allow the Islamic agenda to advance.

Recently, Lou Engle, The founder of the “The Call” and a powerful intercessor who has given his life to prayer and raising up the youth of our Nation to stand in 24/7 prayer visited Dearborn in April of 2007. As Lou walked the facility of Mt Olivet in Dearborn and climbed its prayer tower he felt a great witness within his heart that there must be a house of Prayer in Dearborn that will contend with the house of Islam! Intercession for the Muslim community is the mandate for the church now that must be taken seriously! We believe that this is one of the most important issues of our time not only for our state but for the Nation. We have the opportunity to help develop and support a 24/7 house of prayer in Dearborn at the Mt. Olivet building. We are presently standing behind and supporting home missionaries, Trey and Becky Hancock who have been working among the Muslims for over 20 years. Trey and Becky have a heart not only to reach out to the community, but also have the Mt Olivet facility going day and night with youth and seasoned intercessors that are willing to keeping this prayer furnace burning 24 hours a day.

In 2007 we were told that the Islamic leaders in Michigan have a goal to make Michigan the first Muslim state in America by the year 2015. We can not wait to make a stand against this in 2014; but must be vigilant and begin NOW raising up the standard in prayer seeking the LORD for the right strategies.

Our desire is to reach this people group with the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Love of the Father, and the power and demonstration of the Holy Spirit. Setting up 24/7 prayer will be and is the first strategy in reaching this city. Our prayers will open doors to the hearts and minds of men and women that have been resistant and shut to the gospel. Our fervent prayers will release the Heavenly host of Angels that will protect us and our country from evil plans of violence and sudden destruction. As we pray passionately for Dearborn we will come into agreement with the prayer of our Savior Jesus Christ who said “Thy Kingdom come thy will be done here on earth as it is in Heaven”.

http://sixthcolumn.blogspot.com/2004/12/dearborn-michigan-americas-muslim.html

[butwhat]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS314US314&q=Dearborn%2C+michigan+blotter+muslim&btnG=Search

Jayjay, How old are you? Do you remember the first attack on the World Trade Center? Osama was in Michigan, He was also picked up questioned and released. Many of Osama's relatives were also here and flown home after 9-11

[butwhat]

It might or might not be racist, depending on what you mean by "the kind of folk." Your inclusion of Palestinians in that category because they are Palestinians suggests it is.

I'll include anybody from the middle eastern region. They have done nothing but fight there for thousands of years. How could you live in that environment and not be goofy?

[butwhat]

You're correct. Not wanting to harbor our enemies isn't racist. The thing is, the Muslim population in general isn't America's enemy. There's a segment of the Muslim population, made up of groups like Al Qaeda, or Hamas, or Hezbollah, and those people who support them, that do hate America, and we need to stop them however we can

If we kick out Moslems, give them the boot, that are not citizens, the good the bad and the ugly will all go at once. If they are not citizens they have no right to be here. We have no reason to want them here. If they are good people they will fight to make their world better when they get home.

[butwhat]

Originally Posted by butwhat
Kind of like thinking gun control will disarm criminals.

And the award for Most Fatuous and Irrelevant Nonsequitur of the Week goes to butwhat!

I see nothing flatulant about that post

[butwhat]

Cite that Osama bin Laden has visited the U.S. since 9/11/01, or, indeed, ever in his life?!

Brian, How old are you? Do some research and investigate the first attack on the World Trade Center. Let us know what you find out. Who was suspected? When did it happen? - Just a clue - it was way before 9-11-01. When and where was Osama when it happened? Where was Obama when it happened? What happened? How many of Osama's family were in the US when it happened? How many of Osama's family were in the US when 9-11 happened?
Please get back to us when you are done with your homework.

[Sophistry and Illusion]

In the City of Hamtramck, Michigan, just east of Dearborn, two years ago the call to Muslim prayer was passed by voters. Hamtramck now has the distinction of being the first city within the United States that has permitted the Islamic call to prayer. Five times a day through loud speakers from Islamic Mosques, prayers to Allah are being released into the airways of our state. These prayers to Allah are impacting the atmosphere and the anti-Christ spirit and mindset is being tolerated. It is even being embraced by the people of our nation, while our Christian rights and heritage are being challenged in the courts and our rights are slowly being taken from us. Our response as the church can not be to stand by apathetically and allow the Islamic agenda to advance.

So you think that US immigration policy should serve a Christian agenda? Interesting.

[FinnAgain]

Okay, I'll play a bit, this is too funny.


Jayjay, How old are you?

My guess is "not born yesterday".


Do you remember the first attack on the World Trade Center? Osama was in Michigan

Yep. Michigan, the well known state in Sudan. (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/stevecoll/2008/10/osamas-trust-fu.html)

Here within the state of Michigan we have the largest settlement of Muslims this side of the Middle East. Because of the thousands of Muslims from Iraq and the Middle East that have settled within Michigan, there is an increasing potential for a great Islamic uprising in this region.

First, no, Michigan certainly aint. Try Indonesia.
And second, you're honestly worried about a "great Islamic uprising".
In Michigan?
At least, I guess, all the militia folks will have something to do.

Five times a day through loud speakers from Islamic Mosques, prayers to Allah are being released into the airways of our state.

Someone has to teach that damn dirty apes that freedom of speech is only reserved for those following the Judeo-Christian path. And by that I mean the Christian path. And by that I mean the Protestant Christian path. And by that...


These prayers to Allah are impacting the atmosphere and the anti-Christ spirit and mindset is being tolerated.

First "non-Christian", not even "anti-Christian" and certainly not "anti-Christ" considering that Islam considering Jesus to be a prophet.
Second, no shit we tolerate people who aren't Christians or who are even actively opposed to Christianity. Welcome to America. I'm always amazed by Christians who evidently feel that the only real problem with Saudi Arabia is that it chose the wrong religion to base its theocracy on.


It is even being embraced by the people of our nation, while our Christian rights and heritage are being challenged in the courts and our rights are slowly being taken from us.

Bull.

I don't think I'll ever get over Christians who complain that they're being oppressed because they can't force their beliefs and culture down other people's throats. You haven't lost a single right as a Christian, not one. You are still perfectly free to worship as you see fit in your home, church, or any other bit of private property whose use you've legally obtained. Likewise, nobody is challenging your heritage. But to claim that the nation is a "Christian nation" via its heritage is absurd. The Treaty of Tripoli rather clearly demonstrates that.


In 2007 we were told that the Islamic leaders in Michigan have a goal to make Michigan the first Muslim state in America by the year 2015.

And let me guess... you bought it?

[butwhat]

So you think that US immigration policy should serve a Christian agenda? Interesting.

That there was a copy & paste Missy. I can piss and throw shoes at all of them. The Catholics & their rabbit like behavior, The Jews with their land grabbing Palestinian oppressing ways. The Chinese polluting the world, Can't slam the Buddahists much. Anybody from the middle east for just being goofy.

[FinnAgain]

The Catholics & their rabbit like behavior

Ah yes. I hate Catholics! Always hopping through the forest, picking up the field mice and bopping them on the head.


The Jews with their land grabbing Palestinian oppressing ways.

Gotta hate The Jews, not some Jews, or some Israelis, but The Jews.
Jews sure are pretty horrible and evil as a group due to their horrible ways.
But at least they don't abuse field mice.

[butwhat]

Okay, I'll play a bit, this is too funny.



My guess is "not born yesterday".

Does he remember the first attacks? His post indicated that 9-11 was the beginning of Osama's history



Yep. Michigan, the well known state in Sudan. (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/stevecoll/2008/10/osamas-trust-fu.html)

Where he klived and where hes was ain't necessarily the same.



First, no, Michigan certainly aint. Try Indonesia.
And second, you're honestly worried about a "great Islamic uprising".
In Michigan?
At least, I guess, all the militia folks will have something to do.



Someone has to teach that damn dirty apes that freedom of speech is only reserved for those following the Judeo-Christian path. And by that I mean the Christian path. And by that I mean the Protestant Christian path. And by that...



First "non-Christian", not even "anti-Christian" and certainly not "anti-Christ" considering that Islam considering Jesus to be a prophet.
Second, no shit we tolerate people who aren't Christians or who are even actively opposed to Christianity. Welcome to America. I'm always amazed by Christians who evidently feel that the only real problem with Saudi Arabia is that it chose the wrong religion to base its theocracy on.



Bull.

I don't think I'll ever get over Christians who complain that they're being oppressed because they can't force their beliefs and culture down other people's throats. You haven't lost a single right as a Christian, not one. You are still perfectly free to worship as you see fit in your home, church, or any other bit of private property whose use you've legally obtained. Likewise, nobody is challenging your heritage. But to claim that the nation is a "Christian nation" via its heritage is absurd. The Treaty of Tripoli rather clearly demonstrates that.



And let me guess... you bought it?


That's a copy & paste. If yopu had checked the links you'd know them ain't my words.

[butwhat]

Ah yes. I hate Catholics! Always hopping through the forest, picking up the field mice and bopping them on the head.
I'm a Catholic and I kill field mice every chance I get. Apparently you ddidn't get the association between Catholics and Rabbits. Contact the Australian government and have them splain it to U



Gotta hate The Jews, not some Jews, or some Israelis, but The Jews.
Jews sure are pretty horrible and evil as a group due to their horrible ways.
But at least they don't abuse field mice.

But they do have really cool hats. Hate to bust your bubble but my Jewish friends are also mouse killers

[FinnAgain]

So you are posting things that you do not believe in, which are other people's words in any case.
Check.

And no, the link you gave didn't go to any specific post, at all. And I'd have no way of knowing if you weren't simply linking to your own site. Not that I expect this dance to go on much longer in this forum anyways...

[Sophistry and Illusion]

That there was a copy & paste Missy. I can piss and throw shoes at all of them. The Catholics & their rabbit like behavior, The Jews with their land grabbing Palestinian oppressing ways. The Chinese polluting the world, Can't slam the Buddahists much. Anybody from the middle east for just being goofy.

Yes, I saw you had copied and pasted from a nutcase blog site. And yet I assumed you endorsed the contents of your post. Otherwise, why post it?

And I'm sure we're all enjoying your little racist outbursts, here and in the Pit (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10837775&postcount=9). I assure you you will be missed after you are banned, which I can only assume will be within a couple of days.

And, for what it's worth, I'm not a missy.

[butwhat]

it's always nice to be missed

[George Kaplin]

Jayjay, How old are you? Do you remember the first attack on the World Trade Center? Osama was in Michigan, He was also picked up questioned and released. Many of Osama's relatives were also here and flown home after 9-11


That is completely untrue. The fact that you have failed to provide a cite for this claim despite the fact that several posters have now pressed you for one indicates you have no good reason for believing this.

Think I'm full of it, or that I'm "not old enough", or something? Then prove it. Substantiate your claim with a credible1 source. If what you said is true, you shouldn't have a hard time finding one.

Oh, and while I'm here I'd just like to beg the mods not to ban butwhat or close this thread. I'm sure he's just posting for lulz but there's no reason we can't have some too :)

1FYI, blogs which don't cite their own sources don't count as 'credible'

[FinnAgain]

That is completely untrue. The fact that you have failed to provide a cite for this claim despite the fact that several posters have now pressed you for one indicates you have no good reason for believing this.


The fact that I provided a cite showing that Osama was in Sudan is another. ;)

[George Kaplin]

But...but, Bin Laden's a Muslim!!!1!1 No true Muslim would let something as trivial as the laws of physics stop him from attacking our freedom!

I even have a cite, look!

http://muslimsrtehevulz.blogspot.com/

[butwhat]

Finn's post alludes to Osama's alleged possible involvement in the first attacks. I saw nothing that said he was actually in Sudan.
I didn't mean that he was necessarily in Michigan for the attacks but he did have a place in Michigan that he went to & stayed at. And we did have him but let him go.
I do not hav etime now to do the searches so I would appreciate it if you would help me out & search for all the info On Osama that you can find. I guess this thread has drifted. I didn't think it was about Osama or Obama. Maybe search Osama history

[Sophistry and Illusion]

But...but, Bin Laden's a Muslim!!!1!1 No true Muslim would let something as trivial as the laws of physics stop him from attacking our freedom!

Shit. If they can bilocate we might as well just give up now. Allahu akbar! La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammad rasul Allah!

[George Kaplin]

I didn't mean that he was necessarily in Michigan for the attacks but he did have a place in Michigan that he went to & stayed at.


Again, cite?


I do not hav etime now to do the searches so I would appreciate it if you would help me out & search for all the info On Osama that you can find.


Not my problem, fella. You made the claim. That means you've got to do the legwork.


I guess this thread has drifted.


A tragedy considering how well it started out :)

[tomndebb]

OK, the xenophobic drivel had been amusing, but it is now getting tedious.

butwhat, you are now prohibited from posting further to this thread until you provide documentary evidence that Osama bin Laden (the leader of al Qaida, not some son, cousin, nephew, uncle, or other extended relative of the same name), has been in Michigan, (the U.S. state), at any time in the last 15 1/2 years.

You have repeatedly made or insinuated this claim, all the while treading the edge of violating the rules of this forum with insults.

Put up or go away.

[ /Moderating ]

[tomndebb]

With buttwhat's banishment for trolling across multiple threads in multiple Fora, I'm shutting down this nonsense.

[ /Modding ]