Battlestar Galactica 4.19 - "Someone to Watch Over Me" (spoilers)

[Bridget Burke]

Tigh: Domo arigato . . .

Tyrol: Mr. Roboto?

Anders: Domo?

Torry: Domo?

Tigh: What the frak does that mean?

Or they could have channeled this great classic from Hee-Haw:

Gloom, despair & agony on me.
Deep, dark depression, excessive misery.
If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all.
Gloom, despair & agony on me.

Some ideas (http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/02/20_possible_battlestar_galactica_endings_all_of_th.php) for the end of the series--not spoilers, I hope!

[Cervaise]

Maybe we should have a thread about inconclusive and ambiguous movie endings.Ambiguous Endings (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=433654)

[billfish678]

Could they preserve technology? Given that they find a habitable planet and get rid of the Cavilcade, I don't believe they could even build a bulldozer to clear the land to build a nuclear power plant to generate the energy for the factory to build semiconductors.

They will start with zero carbon footprint and cheap solar and wind power first :)

[jackdavinci]

I'm pretty sure the Final Fivers said that Anders merely sang the song for soRoslin's use of the phrase "Pound of Flesh" in Season 2's "The Captain's Hand" took me out of the show too.

I didn't notice that, but it's amusing that they put so much effort into changing the phrase "earth shaking" into some other phrase in light of that. And all the IKEA cabinets in the Tyrol Boomer projection.

[carnivorousplant]

And I'm the guy who complained when Sisko said "cut to the chase" one time on DS9. Double hrm.

Why wouldn't Sisko use that phrase? (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/107300.html)

Beats the hell out of "Martok and Flimflam. At North Little Rock", or whatever that guy kept saying to Picard. :)

[Acsenray]

Why wouldn't Sisko use that phrase? (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/107300.html)

Beats the hell out of "Martok and Flimflam. At North Little Rock", or whatever that guy kept saying to Picard. :)

Oh, I love to hate "Darmok." It's my favorite nonsense.

[Rubystreak]

There are many cultural parallels (fashion, literature, Greek gods) between BSG's universe and ours. What is it about Watchtower that's causing such a problem?

"All Along the Watchtower" is a very well-known, popular song that many people already have personal associations with. Now, if it turns out that the BSG universe and ours are supposed to be the same, with BSG taking place in a distant future, I can buy all of these things: the same gods, language, fashion, music, etc. But why wrench a song like "AATW" out of its very firm current cultural context and place it in the BSG universe without any rationale other than the fact that it's a well-known song, and state that it was not in fact written by Bob Dylan but some Cylon? I feel like there should be a reason for it. Others disagree, and many may be tired of discussing it, which I certainly could understand.

[Baldwin]

"All Along the Watchtower" is a very well-known, popular song that many people already have personal associations with. Now, if it turns out that the BSG universe and ours are supposed to be the same, with BSG taking place in a distant future, I can buy all of these things: the same gods, language, fashion, music, etc. But why wrench a song like "AATW" out of its very firm current cultural context and place it in the BSG universe without any rationale other than the fact that it's a well-known song, and state that it was not in fact written by Bob Dylan but some Cylon? I feel like there should be a reason for it. Others disagree, and many may be tired of discussing it, which I certainly could understand.I hear you, and it's gnawed at me too, for lo these many moons.

But, even if it's not really supposed to be that specific song, I can still understand its use artistically. The very fact that the song does have a context in our culture means that when it appeared on the show, we had a strange shock of recognition along with the characters whose worldview was suddenly changing.

[Baldwin]

Ambiguous Endings (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=433654)Well, I shoulda known we already had one. If it weren't such an old thread I'd get in there and talk about Phantasm.

[carnivorousplant]

not in fact written by Bob Dylan but some Cylon?

There are many here among us
Who feel that life is but a joke but uh
But you and I weve been through that
And this is not our fate
So let us not talk falsely now
It is By your command.

[Corner Case]

“That’s the song,” Tory says, in shock. But, the remarkable thing is that’s not. As I mentioned earlier, there was no instrumental melody in Bob Dylan’s “All Along the Watchtower” that would work for this episode’s needs. As a result, the music they’re hearing is in fact, my music: The Final Four Theme.Well, that should put the debate to rest. :D

[HMS Irruncible]

Well, that should put the debate to rest. :D
I can almost live with that, because the tune is completely unrecognizable in the show. But some of the characters were reciting bits of the 'Watchtower' lyrics while they were trying to place it.

[Lightray]

"Heroes" just used Fleetwood Mac to set up a scene's mood.

You all are nuts for bitching about "All Along the Watchtower", let me tell you.

[Oakminster]

Standing by the stance I've taken on Watchtower. Those that don't like it...

Regards.
:cool:

[Windwalker]

Why's it so hard to accept that BSG takes place in a parallel universe where All Along The Watchtower also happened to have been written? It's also a strange sitar-y version, which makes it seem even more parallel universe-y, not our universe-y.

[Oakminster]

Because you don't tug on Superman's cape, you don't spit into the wind, you don't pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger, and you don't deny Oak the explanation he wants....(or he shall rant against you on the internet.)

[Rubystreak]

"Heroes" just used Fleetwood Mac to set up a scene's mood.

You all are nuts for bitching about "All Along the Watchtower", let me tell you.

You don't see the difference between using a song in the background to set a mood, and possibly reattributing authorship of a well-known song for no apparent reason? OK, you're nuts. ;)

[billfish678]

You don't see the difference between using a song in the background to set a mood, and possibly reattributing authorship of a well-known song for no apparent reason? OK, you're nuts. ;)


I think its just a highly sophisticated copyright theft scam someone is trying to pull :)


And thanks guy for the Domo Roboto and Doom and Dispair song ideas. I got a good laugh outa both of the those. I'd like to see somebody get creative on youtube with those songs and smart video clips from the series!

[Lightray]

You don't see the difference between using a song in the background to set a mood, and possibly reattributing authorship of a well-known song for no apparent reason? OK, you're nuts. ;)
Having read this song discussion, well... just trying to fit in. :p

[LiquidAmber]

Hmmm, reading this thread gave me a new theory on the Cylons that went to earth after leaving Kobol. Not being in the know, someone has likely come up with it first but it just occured to me.

- Cylons arrived on Earth approximately 2000 years ago
- Humans already were present on earth but were very warlike and violent(standard evolution human)
- Cylons found that they had compatiable biology to procreate with humans but found out that fetus self-aborted if the human didn't have the 'Love' hormones circulating to prevent rejection
- A visionary Cylon then made contact with humans and preached love for one another
- This of course led to his cruxifiction but being a cylon, he just rezzed back at the ship and showed up 3 days later
- A new religion of love spread and sweeps over much of the planet
- The rest of the Cyclons intermingle with humans and for the next 2000 years and produce cyclon-human hybrids
- In a short period of time they abandon rez technology in favor of biological procreation but remembering the prophecy that they will once again be rezzed at the end

The rest is history

[carnivorousplant]

The rest is history

You are so going to the Bad Place....:)

[Merijeek]

Actually, kinda makes sense. Why would Moore and company have picked 2000 years out of nowhere?

-Joe

[ElvisL1ves]

I'll go along with that one too (nice job, LiquidAmber!).

But it means there has to have been a sect, deep in hiding for two millenia or more, of Cylons who remember who they were and where they came from, and that resurrection is a forgotten technology and not divine intervention, and even now is working feverishly away at it in some secret laboratory (in space?).

Well, it's possible ...

[levdrakon]

Wasn't it 3000 years ago when the 13th tribe settled earth? Then they spent 2000 years traveling to the colonies. So earth got nuked around the time of Christ? Wouldn't we have noticed?

[Lumpy]

I'm pretty sure they said that Earth got nuked 2000 years before the time of BSG. So it was settled however long ago the exodus from Kobol supposedly took place, minus 2000 years, not counting travel time since I don't know if FTL had been invented then or not.

[HMS Irruncible]

But it means there has to have been a sect, deep in hiding for two millenia or more, of Cylons who remember who they were and where they came from, and that resurrection is a forgotten technology and not divine intervention, and even now is working feverishly away at it in some secret laboratory (in space?).
Or it might have all been written down in the 13th Dead Sea scroll, and they found it later.

[Oslo Ostragoth]

My head hurts. :(

Is there a wiki-whatever timeline that definatively tracks all this?

[Lightray]

Try Battlestar wiki's timeline (http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Timeline_(RDM))

[Death of Rats]

I disagree. "You're dismissed" is specifically a military thing. A civilian would say something more like "We're finished here" or "You can leave now" or "Get out of my office".

Bear in mind, this was also a not-so-subtle rebuke and power play to knock him down for him standing up for Boomer. It was a little knife twist to remind him who is in charge. She was not just dismissing him but his arguements.

[carnivorousplant]

Six, er, Carla










got whacked last night on Burn Notice.