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Uniball
12-14-2000, 10:22 AM
It's german, and it's something related to music, but what exactly is that?

capybara
12-14-2000, 11:37 AM
Could you give a bit more of context (is it an instrument? A notation sign? Playing directions?)? Flügel can mean a wing or a feather or fin, etc. (i.e. lots of things), but also means a grand piano, while Schäube is an old Austrian word for something like a sheaf of wheat or a faches. . .

BornDodgy
12-14-2000, 11:40 AM
*confused*
It couldnt be yiddish or any other language similar to German, right?

Damn.. this is my native language.. I should at least have heared that word..
I ll ask the dicitonary..

dodgy

BornDodgy
12-14-2000, 11:45 AM
it is in none of my dictionaries..

flügel usually means wing - but related to music it means piano

maybe that helps..

dodgy again

Fretburner
12-14-2000, 11:47 AM
There is a trumpet-like instrument called a "flugelhorn." Could this have something to do with it?

BornDodgy
12-14-2000, 11:53 AM
you know.. this thread will ruin my day..
I ll go to the movies in half an hour and I know I ll think about this strange word during the entire film..

Schäube is Austrian-German (if we call it that..)?!
I am from Austria.. how illiterate am I the fuck?!
argh..
*whines around*

flügel schäube.. schraube.. haube.. horn.. bong..
:(

Moonshine
12-14-2000, 11:59 AM
I have no idea what a Schauebe is, but a Fluegel is either a wing or a grand piano. Are you sure the spelling is right on that?

Ukulele Ike
12-14-2000, 11:59 AM
Does "flugel" mean a piano-the instrument-piano, or "piano" as in "soft" ?

I always assumed "flugelhorn" meant a "soft horn"...soft in comparison to the brighter-toned trumpet, which is usually the jazz-playing flugelhornist's first instrument.

bibliophage
12-14-2000, 12:01 PM
Are you sure you got the spelling right? Flügelschraube means "wing nut". I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that in music, it might refer to the screws used to adjust the string tension on a guitar or similar instrument (are they called tuning pegs?).

BornDodgy
12-14-2000, 12:12 PM
Flügelschraube makes sense to me....


Flügel means piano as in the instrument.

dodgy

Arnold Winkelried
12-14-2000, 12:20 PM
From my handy Englisch-Deutsch Wörterbuch:

Flügel wing (zool, mil); (Windmühle) arm, sail; mil a. flank; grand (piano) • d. ~ hängen lassen to hang down one’s head; ~fenster casement window; ~lahm with crippled wings; fig despondent; ~mutter wing-nut; ~roß winged horse, Pegasus; ~schlag beat of wings; ~schraube thumb-screw; ~spanne spread of wings; ~tür folding door

So, to answer the OP:
Flügelschraube = thumb-screw

To answer Ukulele Ike:
Flügel probably came to mean piano because a grand piano looks like it has wings? (WAG)

Arnold Winkelried
12-14-2000, 12:24 PM
bibliophage, I just saw your post (I was busy wrestling with italics and bolds).
My dictionary uses flügelmutter for wing-nut.

Ukulele Ike
12-14-2000, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by Arnold Winkelried
To answer Ukulele Ike:
Flügel probably came to mean piano because a grand piano looks like it has wings? (WAG)

{blinks}

Ol' pal, you really should get away from the computer more often. Go outside and get some fresh air and exercise and look at pianos. Oh, hell, here's a piano:

http://www.steinway.com/html/showroom/tricentennial_main.html

All right, show me these "wings" of yours.

While you're looking, I'll be here tearing my hair out wondering why they named a trumpetlike brass instrument with a conical bore a "piano horn."

scratch1300
12-14-2000, 04:33 PM
I could've sworn this was in the Animaniacs' Schnitzelbank:

Ist das nicht ein flugelschaub?
Ja, das ist ein flugelschaub.
But alas, it was not.

Uniball
12-14-2000, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by bibliophage
Are you sure you got the spelling right? Flügelschraube means "wing nut". I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that in music, it might refer to the screws used to adjust the string tension on a guitar or similar instrument (are they called tuning pegs?).

Makes sense.

Arnold Winkelried
12-14-2000, 05:31 PM
OK Ukulele Ike I expressed myself very poorly. Let's try this approach: if the lid of a grand piano were shut, and you looked at it from the top, couldn't someone with imagination say it's shaped like a wing?

capybara
12-14-2000, 06:38 PM
Not because it looks like a bird's wing, but "wing" in the same sense that a triptych altarpiece with movable "wings" (i.e. doors, sort of) is a Flugelaltar. Big flap with hinges kind of generic wing.

Johanna
12-14-2000, 09:01 PM
I agree with Arnold; the grand piano (not a spinet) is called flügel because it looks like a wing shape seen from above.

The flügelhorn got its name from being used like a bugle in the military. The "wing" (flügel) referring to the flank of the formation, where the horn blowers blew their horns.