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Equipoise
03-10-2009, 02:57 AM
*tremble* Chuck Norris has a blog on World Net Daily (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91103) and he's rabble-rousing the right, hinting that it's really ok to overthrow the government because it's been done before. Ok, that's paraphrased, but he brings up all kinds of examples, and lets people know that...

For those losing hope, and others wanting to rekindle the patriotic fires of early America, I encourage you to join Fox News' Glenn Beck, me and millions of people across the country in the live telecast, "We Surround Them," on Friday afternoon (March 13 at 5 p.m. ET, 4 p.m. CT and 2 p.m. PST). Thousands of cell groups will be united around the country in solidarity over the concerns for our nation. You can host or attend a viewing party by going to Glenn's website. My wife Gena and I will be hosting one from our Texas ranch, in which we've invited many family members, friends and law enforcement to join us. It's our way of saying "We're united, we're tired of the corruption, and we're not going to take it anymore!"I love the terrorist nomenclature. Just like that one Republican Texas Congressman who said (http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2009/02/sessions_gop_in.php) that the Republicans need to learn how to be insurgents from the Taliban.

They surround us? How scary is that?

He sure does quote a lot of fine American patriots.

Again, Sam Houston put it well when he gave the marching orders, "We view ourselves on the eve of battle. We are nerved for the contest, and must conquer or perish. It is vain to look for present aid: None is at hand. We must now act or abandon all hope! Rally to the standard, and be no longer the scoff of mercenary tongues! Be men, be free men, that your children may bless their father's name."Plus, he quotes George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, and John Adams:

John Adams declared that, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people." Yet we've bastardized the First Amendment, reinterpreted America's religious history and secularized our society until we ooze skepticism and circumvent religion on every level of public and private life. And of course, they have the Constitution on their side:

How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And, when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history need to record a second American Revolution? We the people have the authority according to America's Declaration of Independence, which states:

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience has shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


And he brings up the Alamo!

Just last Friday, the Alamo celebrated its 173rd commemoration, when on March 6, 1836, Texans under Col. William B. Travis were overcome by the Mexican army after a two-week siege at the Alamo in San Antonio. But they didn't go down without a hell-of-a-fight, as those roughly 145 Texans fought to their dying breaths against more than 2,000 Mexican forces under Gen. Santa Anna. (Casualties in the battle were 189 Texans vs. about 1,600 Mexicans.) They lost that battle, but would provide the inspiration to win the war. Their fighting spirit rallied the new-found republic, and still does to this day. So when you think all is lost in America, remember the Alamo!

Are we lefty, communist/socialist/Marxist/illegal alien-loving pinkos the ones trapped in the Alamo? Which would mean that the conservatives who'll rise up and conquer us are...brown, Spanish-speaking soldiers? Er, wait, reading that again, they're in the Alamo? Which means that we're the Spanish-speaking brown people. Hmmm, no, I'm totally lily-white, and the the only Spanish I know is "supermercado," "Si," "gracias," and "por favor." And I can count to 10. But, wait, didn't the Alamo people like, lose? Really badly? So he's basically telling his readers 'we're gonna lose and you're gonna die, but hey, join up anyway!' ??

I'm so confused.

But anyway, we ought to be really really scared. I mean, cells of rabid, drooling, angry right-wingers. With guns. *shiver*


Oh! And by the way, after followers wipe up the drool and cumstains after reading his blog...

... Chuck is also inviting anyone near the Houston area this weekend to see a good example of the raw Texas fighting spirit by joining him and others for the national martial arts event, "Showdown in H-Town.")So it was all just an advertisement. Well.

What kind of drugs are these people on? And is it FDA approved?

kambuckta
03-10-2009, 03:32 AM
I thought Chuck Norris was dead, having fallen under a horse getting pelted by buckshot during the fliming of Blazing Saddles????? :confused:

Of course, I might be mistaken. :D

Linty Fresh
03-10-2009, 05:36 AM
Ben Stein? Chuck Norris? What the hell is happening to my heros?

It's like Nietzsche said: "That which doesn't kill me kind of freaks me out."

madmonk28
03-10-2009, 05:56 AM
I believe the Texas constitution states that Texas has the right to leave the US. I am absolutely okay with that.

Shot Clock
03-10-2009, 06:50 AM
Chuck Norris can bite my biscuits. He complains about the "bastardization" of the First Amendment, then uses his First Amendment rights to basically call for secession and the violent overthrow of the duly-elected government.

"If this country starts to spiral out of control and Mexico melts down or whatever, if it really starts to spiral out of control, before America allows a country to become a totalitarian country (which it would have under I think the Republicans as well in this situation; they were taking us to the same place, just slower), Americans won't stand for it."

Where was this concern about Republicans when you were out kicking ass for Huckabee, Tough Guy?

I guess my big problem with Chuckie's insignificant screed promoting Yahoo Conservatism (as well as his products and promotions) is that enough people might take this brand of bullshit seriously enough to where they actually try to "do something" to "Take America Back". Living in South Carolina, I hear this crap on the streets and on the radio stations every day. Most of it comes from politicians and entertainers pandering to a small audience of cranks, but one day a group of these unbalanced crackers is gonna conduct an armed siege of the statehouse, and then this shit won't be so funny anymore.

Still love The Octogon, though!

The Surb
03-10-2009, 07:44 AM
Since he's in Texas, he can team up with Ted Nugent. The combined bullshit will make their opponents heads explode.

Jackmannii
03-10-2009, 07:47 AM
Thousands of cell groups Lots of ninnies hanging around gabbing on cell phones? We've got that already.

Alessan
03-10-2009, 08:23 AM
. But they didn't go down without a hell-of-a-fight, as those roughly 145 Texans fought to their dying breaths against more than 2,000 Mexican forces under Gen. Santa Anna. (Casualties in the battle were 189 Texans vs. about 1,600 Mexicans.)

Man, those Mexican were cruel - they killed 44 of those Texans twice.

Grumman
03-10-2009, 08:32 AM
Man, those Mexican were cruel - they killed 44 of those Texans twice.
I'm pretty sure that "casualties" includes wounded. So that would be 145 dead, 44 wounded.

Tapioca Dextrin
03-10-2009, 09:19 AM
Rush / Norris 2012 anyone?

R. P. McMurphy
03-10-2009, 09:29 AM
Chuck Norris and Glenn Beck.

If the Founding Fathers has known about those two there would have been some caveats written into the First Amendment.

Captain Carrot
03-10-2009, 09:37 AM
I believe the Texas constitution states that Texas has the right to leave the US. I am absolutely okay with that.

No, it doesn't. No state constitution does. And there are a hell of a lot of sane people in Texas as well as the crazies.

DianaG
03-10-2009, 09:40 AM
They should really change their marketing slogan. "Texas - We've got a hell of a lot of sane people, too!" :D

Really Not All That Bright
03-10-2009, 09:49 AM
I'm pretty sure that "casualties" includes wounded. So that would be 145 dead, 44 wounded.
But there were only 145 of them there.

Jack Batty
03-10-2009, 09:56 AM
Maybe many of them were Chuck Norris's ancestors. And we all know that Chuck Norris counts as two people: Chuck Norris and Chuck Norris's balls.

Really Not All That Bright
03-10-2009, 10:00 AM
That's 3 people.

Bosstone
03-10-2009, 10:02 AM
But there were only 145 of them there.Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Alamo) lists the Texans (Texians?) at 180-260, with 182-257 killed. So Chuck's facts are wrong and also internally inconsistent, the way they're worded. But who needs facts when you're being jingoistically divisive?

tdn
03-10-2009, 10:04 AM
No, it doesn't. No state constitution does.

Well, I'm sure we can change it. We could even get it enshrined as a US constitutinal amendment.

XXVIII: Beat it, Texas. And take the Krazee with you. But leave us Austin, 'cause that's a cool place.

Grumman
03-10-2009, 10:10 AM
But there were only 145 of them there.
That would pose some problems for my theory.

The Tao's Revenge
03-10-2009, 10:14 AM
That's 3 people.

Lefty seceded.

Equipoise
03-10-2009, 10:19 AM
If Texas does secede, all the sane Texans can move to Utah. You'll freak out all the Mormons and turn Utah blue at the same time. Win win. Those who want to stay in the flats can take over Oklahoma and Kansas and help turn them blue.

Of course we'll have to build a wall all along the Texas border to keep the illegal aliens out of our country. It'll be too bad about Austin. Maybe they can move SXSW to Santa Fe.

They already have their President of Texas all ready to go. I have a feeling that Hillary won't be able to do much diplomatin' with old Chuckie.


Oh hey, if any of you "real Americans" want to take part in this, here's a website (http://wesurroundthemmap.com/) where you can find out where to go in your city/state. If any fake Americans want to go just for shits'n'grins, be sure to leave your Obama t-shirts and buttons at home. And try not to laugh. That's a dead givaway.

Hey Carol Stream, there's one in the Chicago area! Maybe I'll see you there! Not that we'd know who each other is.



Since he's in Texas, he can team up with Ted Nugent. The combined bullshit will make their opponents heads explode.Ted's music would do that. The loudest, most excruciating concert I ever attended was a Ted Nugent concert. It was a Summerfest thing, with lots of different groups, lest anyone think I was there to actually see Ted Nugent. This was at a baseball stadium and we were up in the nosebleed section, and still the music was so loud that I had to plug my ears with my fingers. I can't even imagine what it must have been like for the people down near the stage and speakers!

Jackmannii
03-10-2009, 10:32 AM
Texas can't secede! That's what THEY want.

And while Chuck Norris may sound like a self-aggrandizing wackaloon with delusions of grandeur, it's only people like him who are standing between true Americans and the Zionist Illuminati (http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1371389#i).

I'd say more, but the shape-shifting Board Overlords are just waiting for an excuse to

Equipoise
03-10-2009, 10:48 AM
Jackmannii! Jackmannii! Where'd you go?? Ooooooooh Noooooooooo!

Let's all have a moment of silence for Jackmannii.

Better him than me though.

Calatin
03-10-2009, 11:13 AM
I actually listen to Glenn Beck on my 45 minute drive to work, and last week, he had an interview with Chuck Norris. I remember it being a little more... delusional than this transcript (http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/22220/) denotes, but I really think that Chuck Norris thinks he is the characters he portrays.

Typo Negative
03-10-2009, 11:16 AM
Who can blame these people? They have had had to endure this socialist government chipping away at their freedoms for two whole months!! By God, it's time for revolution!

The Tao's Revenge
03-10-2009, 11:17 AM
Texas can't secede! That's what THEY want.

And while Chuck Norris may sound like a self-aggrandizing wackaloon with delusions of grandeur, it's only people like him who are standing between true Americans and the Zionist Illuminati (http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1371389#i).

I'd say more, but the shape-shifting Board Overlords are just waiting for an excuse to

Oh crap Candle Jack is in the Illuminati! Quick we have to

DianaG
03-10-2009, 11:21 AM
I really think that Chuck Norris thinks he is the characters he portrays.
Well to be fair, it's to his credit that he realizes he's no actor.

C3
03-10-2009, 11:25 AM
I guess my big problem with Chuckie's insignificant screed promoting Yahoo Conservatism (as well as his products and promotions) is that enough people might take this brand of bullshit seriously enough to where they actually try to "do something" to "Take America Back". Living in South Carolina, I hear this crap on the streets and on the radio stations every day. Most of it comes from politicians and entertainers pandering to a small audience of cranks, but one day a group of these unbalanced crackers is gonna conduct an armed siege of the statehouse, and then this shit won't be so funny anymore.

Exactly. I'm not even worried about an organized group doing something stupid. All it takes is one individual whacko to inflict serious damage. We've already had one gunman shoot up a UU church because he was pissed off at "liberals" - and that was before these freaks started trying to actively incite people.

ShadowFacts
03-10-2009, 11:31 AM
And we all know that Chuck Norris counts as two people: Chuck Norris and Chuck Norris's balls.

That's 3 people.

Lefty seceded.

:D

Well played, one and all.

elucidator
03-10-2009, 11:39 AM
Its the strangest thing, how one reacts. I didn't know Chuck Norris even existed until I saw Way of the Dragon with Bruce Lee, the one where he beats Chucky to death. And the first scene with Chuck, where he gets off the airplane, I instantly hated every bone in his body! Knew nothing about him at all, just immediate visceral loathing.

(Not a particularly good movie, even for chop-socky, but seeing Chuck Norris beaten to death!....Joe Bob 'luc says "Check it out!"...)

Syntropy
03-10-2009, 11:40 AM
Since he's in Texas, he can team up with Ted Nugent. The combined bullshit will make their opponents heads explode.

Oh lordy, if we could round them all up in one place that would be a huge relief. Toss 'em in with that idiot who just became Dallas' most famous new resident.

Secession. Let's see. On the one hand, caught between the worlds remaining super power and Mexico. On the other, if we secede, I don't have to help pay for that godawful monstrosity of a library that's going up in Junior's name. Screw it, we'll move somewhere the weather's decent.

elucidator
03-10-2009, 11:48 AM
Just not here, OK? You wouldn't believe how many recovering Texans we got here in MN. And its cold! Godawmighty cold! Sure, long leggedy Nordic beauties everwheres, but you got your ice spiders, you got your "Bar B Que" made with tomato sauce! Blasphemy!

Iowa. Iowa's nice.

Sr Siete
03-10-2009, 11:55 AM
Ben Stein? Chuck Norris? What the hell is happening to my heros?

It's like Nietzsche said: "That which doesn't kill me kind of freaks me out."



Oh, dear. That's very often misquoted because of that Conan the Barbarian movie. What Nietzche actually said id "That which doesn't destroy us kind of freak us out." He was sort of talking about the destruction of societies, not of individuals.

Sleeps With Butterflies
03-10-2009, 12:57 PM
But there were only 145 of them there.

Wrong. The rest were in the basement.

Blaster Master
03-10-2009, 01:07 PM
How dare you pit Chuck Norris, and on his birthday* no less! Why do you hate America!?** :eek:


* Useless random fact I know from happening to share it with him. Did you know today is also Osama Bin Laden's Birthday? How about that for an odd coincidence.
** I actually reall don't have a dog in this fight, I just wanted to give that reaction.

LonesomePolecat
03-10-2009, 01:21 PM
And try not to laugh. That's a dead givaway. Before you laugh, go to your local gun store and ask them how business has been lately.

tdn
03-10-2009, 01:26 PM
Happy Birthday, Blaster Master.

Duke
03-10-2009, 01:31 PM
Wrong. The rest were in the basement.

Along with someone's bike?

El_Kabong
03-10-2009, 01:37 PM
I actually listen to Glenn Beck on my 45 minute drive to work, and last week, he had an interview with Chuck Norris. I remember it being a little more... delusional than this transcript (http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/22220/) denotes, but I really think that Chuck Norris thinks he is the characters he portrays.

GLENN: Chuck's the author of Black Belt Patriotism: How to Reawaken America. Chuck, you know what? I was talking about General Petraeus the other day. I mean this sincerely: I would love to have General Petraeus go up to Washington and clean that hornet's nest out. I'd like him to set up a military tribunal and call them in one by one, okay, going to have a little interview with you. Find out if they're guilty or innocent of being involved in, you know, all kinds of the scandals that are going on and kick them out.

NORRIS: I want to go with General Petraeus myself and be next to him and when he finds out who's guilty and, you know, dishonest, then I will take care of it for him. Took him out. I'll choke them out, the ones that he finds dishonest, I will choke them out and stick them into a pile.

It was more delusional that that? :eek:

Equipoise
03-10-2009, 01:58 PM
Yes, happy birthday, Blaster Master. And Chuck. Not so much the other guy.


(Not a particularly good movie, even for chop-socky, but seeing Chuck Norris beaten to death!....Joe Bob 'luc says "Check it out!"...)You're welcome. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbIwQMBeC2c)



I'm imagining the scene at FBI headquarters.

Big Cheese FBI Guy: Agent Smith, you're assigned to Papa Joe's Pizza in San Marco.

Agent Smith: Yes sir. (*thinks to himself* All right! I have to be around a bunch of loonballs, but at least I get to eat pizza!)

BCFBIG: Agent Jones, you're assigned to Alliance Realty office in Tyler.

Agent Jones: Yes sir. (*thinks to himself* FUCK! I have more seniority than that Smith guy, why can't I get the pizza place? Shit!)


I'm a liberal through and through, but sometimes I have to channel my inner freeper and say,

Thank you Bush, for the Patriot Act!

R. P. McMurphy
03-10-2009, 02:18 PM
GLENN: Chuck's the author of Black Belt Patriotism: How to Reawaken America. Chuck, you know what? I was talking about General Petraeus the other day. I mean this sincerely: I would love to have General Petraeus go up to Washington and clean that hornet's nest out. I'd like him to set up a military tribunal and call them in one by one, okay, going to have a little interview with you. Find out if they're guilty or innocent of being involved in, you know, all kinds of the scandals that are going on and kick them out.

NORRIS: I want to go with General Petraeus myself and be next to him and when he finds out who's guilty and, you know, dishonest, then I will take care of it for him. Took him out. I'll choke them out, the ones that he finds dishonest, I will choke them out and stick them into a pile.

Isn't is amazing how guys that are always talking about "Constitution this and Constitution that" are the first ones to want to call in a military General and administer "justice" with no due process.

Based on the quote it sounds like Norris wants to be the one running the torture chamber. That's the kind of country Chucky wants to raise his kids and grand kids in. That's Chucky's America.

Cagey Drifter
03-10-2009, 02:23 PM
I checked out this quasi new-age book by Chuck Norris from the library not too long ago, called "The Secret Power Within: Zen Solutions to Real Problems." Contained within its pages were, among other things, heart-rending stories about Chuck's experiences talking to kids with cancer and AIDS whose last wishes before they died involved having Walker, Texas Ranger hovering ominously in their hospital rooms, next to their dialysis machines and iron lungs, administering Miyagi-style Eastern wisdom and B-list platitudes to them before their untimely deaths. But Chuck, ever the philosopher, soon discovers that it is not he who is the teacher, but these innocent childen, whose transcendental deathbed mutterings pierce his armor-plated ego with profound lessons about the world, whereupon he realizes that there's more to life than beating up communist invaders and murdering drug dealers. Get this book; the earnestness of his words will change your life, I promise.

Syntropy
03-10-2009, 02:41 PM
Just not here, OK? You wouldn't believe how many recovering Texans we got here in MN. And its cold! Godawmighty cold! Sure, long leggedy Nordic beauties everwheres, but you got your ice spiders, you got your "Bar B Que" made with tomato sauce! Blasphemy!

Iowa. Iowa's nice.

Don't worry. I'm allergic to snow. ;) My brother teaches in Iowa. The Mexican food sucks but the steaks were amazing. I was thinking Nevada/California border. Barbecue with TOMATO sauce? Y'all need help.

SteveG1
03-10-2009, 02:50 PM
I am "sort of" stuck on one thing.

Beck wants Petraeus to violate the oath all military people take (to support and defend the Constitution), and wants him to overthrow the government? And Chuck, who took the oath in the Air Force, wants to "go along for the ride"?


Sorry, but in my book, to do that would be treason, in a very literal sense.

LonesomePolecat
03-10-2009, 03:11 PM
I am "sort of" stuck on one thing.

Beck wants Petraeus to violate the oath all military people take (to support and defend the Constitution), and wants him to overthrow the government? And Chuck, who took the oath in the Air Force, wants to "go along for the ride"?


Sorry, but in my book, to do that would be treason, in a very literal sense.
Well, here's a Marine who'd go along for the ride, too. (URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGHlvnqPdH0&eurl=http://www.wvwnews.net/&feature=player_embedded)

I don't know if you're aware of it or not, but a lot of people are talking about armed rebellion these days. I'm hearing it from people whom I never thought would ever advocate such a thing. It may--in fact, it probably will--come to nothing, but I think a lot of people underestimate just how ugly the country's mood is these days.

pravnik
03-10-2009, 03:12 PM
Interesting that Professor Norris quoted Sam Houston in his argument for the legality and wisdom of secession. If I may quote General Houston as well:

"To secede from the Union and set up another government would cause war. If you go to war with the United States, you will never conquer her, as she has the money and the men. If she does not whip you by guns, powder, and steel, she will starve you to death. It will take the flower of the country-the young men."

"Fellow-Citizens, in the name of your rights and liberties, which I believe have been trampled upon, I refuse to take this oath. In the name of the nationality of Texas, which has been betrayed by the Convention, I refuse to take this oath. In the name of the Constitution of Texas, I refuse to take this oath. In the name of my own conscience and manhood, which this Convention would degrade by dragging me before it, to pander to the malice of my enemies ... I refuse to take this oath. I love Texas too well to bring civil strife and bloodshed upon her."

This was shortly before he was evicted from office as Governor of Texas in 1861 for refusing to take an oath to the Confederacy and thereby secede from the Union.

Behind Chuck Norris' beard, there is no chin. There is only another idiot.

Simplicio
03-10-2009, 03:16 PM
I am "sort of" stuck on one thing.

Beck wants Petraeus to violate the oath all military people take (to support and defend the Constitution), and wants him to overthrow the government? And Chuck, who took the oath in the Air Force, wants to "go along for the ride"?


Sorry, but in my book, to do that would be treason, in a very literal sense.

Well, I don't think he's actually calling for this as a real proposal. Still, it's pretty crazy to be on national TV vocalizing such a vivid fantasy about choking people to death and stacking their bodies as part of a military coup. Especially since it's not really clear what he's angry about. "All kind of scandals" is pretty vague, and absent the Blago/Burris thing there haven't been any wildly reported recent scandals out to the Capitol.

Bosstone
03-10-2009, 03:18 PM
It's all socialism's fault.

SteveG1
03-10-2009, 03:19 PM
Well, here's a Marine who'd go along for the ride, too. (URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGHlvnqPdH0&eurl=http://www.wvwnews.net/&feature=player_embedded")

I don't know if you're aware of it or not, but a lot of people are talking about armed rebellion these days. I'm hearing it from people whom I never thought would ever advocate such a thing. It may--in fact, it probably will--come to nothing, but I think a lot of people underestimate just how ugly the country's mood is these days.
Well good luck to them, after they get arrested and face the judge, they will need some luck.

There are plenty of us (not that it will ever happen) who were/are in some branch of service and do remember our oath - to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC.

But it won't come to that. There aren't enough wingnuts to pull it off, and if they tried, the law would take care of them right away. If they somehow DID start a war, plenty of former (and active) military would be against them.

LonesomePolecat
03-10-2009, 03:20 PM
:smack: Missed the edit. Here's a link that actually works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGHlvnqPdH0&eurl=http://www.wvwnews.net/&feature=player_embedded

Boyo Jim
03-10-2009, 03:40 PM
If only Chick and Sarah Palin had met a few years back. They could have bred a new race of super beings.

Unfortunately Sarah's eggs seem to have gone sunny side down recently, but still, maybe they breed some super zombies or somethin'.

LonesomePolecat
03-10-2009, 03:58 PM
Well good luck to them, after they get arrested and face the judge, they will need some luck.

There are plenty of us (not that it will ever happen) who were/are in some branch of service and do remember our oath - to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC.

But it won't come to that. There aren't enough wingnuts to pull it off, and if they tried, the law would take care of them right away. If they somehow DID start a war, plenty of former (and active) military would be against them.Whatever. I said myself that it'll probably come to nothing this time around. But if you think it's only a few "wingnuts" on the lunatic fringe, you're sadly mistaken.

Fear Itself
03-10-2009, 03:59 PM
I don't know if you're aware of it or not, but a lot of people are talking about armed rebellion these days.Against who? The rich? Certainly not the government, now that there is a liberal administration that will work toward populist goals that two thirds of the country supports.

Or maybe you are listening to the one third that is still cranky about the election, and wants to impose their ideology on everyone else. Not much of a platform to base a 'rebellion' on. The proletariat will mop them up like so much gravy on a biscuit.

Khampelf
03-10-2009, 04:35 PM
Wrong. The rest were in the basement.

Playing with Pee Wee Herman's bicycle? I can understand that.


ETA - I see I was beaten to it. But I knew who's bike it was. Nyah!

The Tao's Revenge
03-10-2009, 04:43 PM
Against who? The rich? Certainly not the government, now that there is a liberal administration that will work toward populist goals that two thirds of the country supports.

Or maybe you are listening to the one third that is still cranky about the election, and wants to impose their ideology on everyone else. Not much of a platform to base a 'rebellion' on. The proletariat will mop them up like so much gravy on a biscuit.

All fear the sore losers army!

monstro
03-10-2009, 04:54 PM
I want someone from that side to explain why are they so angry and just who they want to kill.

Are they angry at the greedy banksters and corporate leeches who have stolen all of us blind?

Are they angry at the government policies that have drained our treasury, strained our military, and enabled unscrupulous financial activity all in the name of Freedom?

Are they angry at themselves for allowing all the above to happen for the last eight years without saying nary a word?

I'm all for warfare as long as we pick the correct targets.

Wallenstein
03-10-2009, 05:15 PM
I'm all for warfare as long as we pick the correct targets.
The French? Can't go wrong with the French.

Bosstone
03-10-2009, 05:34 PM
I want someone from that side to explain why are they so angry and just who they want to kill.Those godless commie liberal socialist pinko pigs, of course. Because apparently letting a Democrat into office is high treason.

Shawn1767
03-10-2009, 09:56 PM
How come when a Republican was in the White House, conservatives were all "Even if you don't like him, you still have to respect that he's out leader and our president," yet, I really don't hear that coming from any conservative right now about a Democrat in the White House.

Revtim
03-10-2009, 11:07 PM
I strongly suspect American conservatives have a different definition of treason than the rest of the world.

elucidator
03-10-2009, 11:50 PM
So is Chuck leading the revolution, or stamping it out? Is Chuck Spanish for "Che"? If I make the Che t-shirts with Chuck's face, can I sell them on E-bay without the risk of lawyers?

The Tao's Revenge
03-11-2009, 12:22 AM
So is Chuck leading the revolution, or stamping it out? Is Chuck Spanish for "Che"? If I make the Che t-shirts with Chuck's face, can I sell them on E-bay without the risk of lawyers?

Che would kick chuck's ass.

Especially if who has the cooler beard/mustache and hat is indicative of fighting ability.

Leaper
03-11-2009, 12:38 AM
How come when a Republican was in the White House, conservatives were all "Even if you don't like him, you still have to respect that he's out leader and our president," yet, I really don't hear that coming from any conservative right now about a Democrat in the White House.

This is a common argument that I really don't see as legit. As far as they see it, Bush did nothing wrong, ever, in his administration; he was doing everything he could to defend the country against evil terrorists who wanted to kill Americans and destroy everything they held dear. Obama, as far as they're concerned, IS the country-destroyer who wants to enact policies that will lead to absolute ruin, so of COURSE it's their duty to oppose him, with force if necessary.

So I don't see how their position, as ideological as it is, is even internally inconsistent. Can someone show me where my logic is wrong?

The Tao's Revenge
03-11-2009, 12:46 AM
This is a common argument that I really don't see as legit. As far as they see it, Bush did nothing wrong, ever, in his administration; he was doing everything he could to defend the country against evil terrorists who wanted to kill Americans and destroy everything they held dear. Obama, as far as they're concerned, IS the country-destroyer who wants to enact policies that will lead to absolute ruin, so of COURSE it's their duty to oppose him, with force if necessary.

So I don't see how their position, as ideological as it is, is even internally inconsistent. Can someone show me where my logic is wrong?

Formatting mine. Because Bush actually was what they fear Obama to be?

A lot of us felt he was anyway yet we were told to fall in line.

They can take their own medicine, or be revealed for the hypocrites they are.

Equipoise
03-11-2009, 12:51 AM
If I make the Che t-shirts with Chuck's face, can I sell them on E-bay without the risk of lawyers?Go infiltrate one of their gatherings wearing one. That'd be great! Take some to sell. You'd probably make a good chunk of change for the evening.

I don't have the stomach to watch these, so I can't vouch for their contents, but I'm told they're videos about the movement.

Video of Glenn Beck - "We Surround Them" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKKUfmFL3Cs)

"We Surround Them" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxnVCL_AGns)

Another one (http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=BestofGlennBeckRadi)

Dissonance
03-11-2009, 01:00 AM
Well, here's a Marine who'd go along for the ride, too.

I don't know if you're aware of it or not, but a lot of people are talking about armed rebellion these days. I'm hearing it from people whom I never thought would ever advocate such a thing. It may--in fact, it probably will--come to nothing, but I think a lot of people underestimate just how ugly the country's mood is these days.Have fun with your local militia fighting the black helicopters/UN/NWO/ZOG/Illuminati/ whatever. Seriously, why is the mood suddenly so ugly? We've had a Negro in chief for a couple of months and the crazies are freaking out?

I wonder how these right wing nut jobs would act if there was a 'leftist' organization advocating the violent overthrow of the duly elected US Government. Oh wait. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism)

elucidator
03-11-2009, 01:00 AM
New SNL skit, maybe they can get Bill Murray to do it, Quien Es El Mas Batshit? Glenn Beck O "Che" Norris?

madmonk28
03-11-2009, 01:04 AM
How come when a Republican was in the White House, conservatives were all "Even if you don't like him, you still have to respect that he's out leader and our president," yet, I really don't hear that coming from any conservative right now about a Democrat in the White House. Because they are a bunch of hypocrites.

tumbleddown
03-11-2009, 06:15 AM
Hmm, there's some coded language in that article of Chuck's. Cell group is straight out of the evangelical megachurch lexicon. Cell groups are what you have in individual homes mid-week to make up for the fact that your "pastor" doesn't know your name or anything about you, you're just one of 10,000 faces he can't actually see in the glare of the stage lighting.

There's little question to me that Chuck was trying to bring the evangelicals into the fold, who are intrigued by the political message but wary of the fact that it comes from Glenn Beck, who's Mormon.

All these strange bedfellows are really getting on my wick.

jayjay
03-11-2009, 07:12 AM
Well, here's a Marine who'd go along for the ride, too. (URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGHlvnqPdH0&eurl=http://www.wvwnews.net/&feature=player_embedded)

I don't know if you're aware of it or not, but a lot of people are talking about armed rebellion these days. I'm hearing it from people whom I never thought would ever advocate such a thing. It may--in fact, it probably will--come to nothing, but I think a lot of people underestimate just how ugly the country's mood is these days.

Ah, Polecat...still as batshit crazy as ever. Tell me, given that the current president has only been in office for two months, just WHO are all of these people angry at? I hear one of the men responsible for this mess just moved to Dallas. Are you folks going to be doing your little protest in front of his gated neighborhood? Or, more likely, are you all going to be playing follow the leader with a chop sockey film star who has apparently been swallowing his own deliberately over-the-top pop culture hype and protesting "liberal" institutions?

Really Not All That Bright
03-11-2009, 08:15 AM
Whatever. I said myself that it'll probably come to nothing this time around. But if you think it's only a few "wingnuts" on the lunatic fringe, you're sadly mistaken.
Fine. It's many wingnuts on the lunatic fringe.

This is hardly some sort of new movement though; Colonel Bo Gritz has been talking about something along the lines of Chuck's redneck rebellion for years.

Squink
03-11-2009, 08:25 AM
Fine. It's many wingnuts on the lunatic fringe.The guy two houses down, the one with the "no trespassing" sign on his driveway, has taken to flying his American flag upside down.
It's been that way ever since the election, and he leaves it out rain or shine, day and night.
If there were a flag police, I think I'd call them.

Equipoise
03-11-2009, 08:38 AM
Interesting information tumbledown. Thanks for that.

Edit to add, thanks pravnik, for that information about Sam Houston.

For all my snarkiness, and I do think most of these people should be mocked and marginalized, I am with some others here who worry too. It only takes one crazy to change history, and usually it's not the noisy loonball who is the most harmful, it's the loner who seethes and plots in silence. Already President Obama has received more death threats than any president in history and for every one who says something, how many more are there who don't? The Secret Service is so swamped that they've asked for help from the FBI.

I wasn't kidding when I praised the Patriot Act. If that thing, and it is a horrible thing, helps protect President Obama and his family, more power to it. The idiots who praised Bush for it, thinking it would help root out terrorists and traitors, can suck it if it's now turned on them.

At least President Obama wouldn't throw any of them into Gitmo, to languish without a trial.

Hentor the Barbarian
03-11-2009, 08:50 AM
It makes me sad that Chuck Norris has come to this. I remember when I was just a kid with asthma, and these bullies would always tease me, I would fantasize about Chuck Norris and me fighting them together. And then my teacher’s uncle, who was a cook and also a karate master taught me karate. I got so good I was competing in a tournament, but I needed a partner. Chuck Norris was there, and joined me in this competition so we could fight alongside one another!

LonesomePolecat
03-11-2009, 09:31 AM
Ah, Polecat...still as batshit crazy as ever. Tell me, given that the current president has only been in office for two months, just WHO are all of these people angry at? I hear one of the men responsible for this mess just moved to Dallas. Are you folks going to be doing your little protest in front of his gated neighborhood? Or, more likely, are you all going to be playing follow the leader with a chop sockey film star who has apparently been swallowing his own deliberately over-the-top pop culture hype and protesting "liberal" institutions?
They're angry at Wall Street, they're angry at illegal immigration, they're angry at the Democrats and Republicans, they're angry about their jobs being shipped overseas, they're generally angry about a politial and economic system that seems to be wildly out of control and unresponsive to them.

Like I've already said, for at least the next decade or two I don't expect a serious insurrection or revolution to succeed or even get off the ground. What disturbs me is that it isn't just the lunatic fringe types talking this way, it's people I would never have tagged as extremist or radical only a couple of years or even a few months ago.

Call me "batshit crazy" all you please, but more and more middle and working class whites feel badly alienated and are growing angry, and the current economic crisis seems to have accelerated this. Moreover, they are not delusional and have sound reasons for feeling this way. This deserves sober attention, not mockery.

Really Not All That Bright
03-11-2009, 09:35 AM
I remember when I was just a kid with asthma, and these bullies would always tease me, I would fantasize about Chuck Norris and me fighting them together. And then my teacher’s uncle, who was a cook and also a karate master taught me karate. I got so good I was competing in a tournament, but I needed a partner. Chuck Norris was there, and joined me in this competition so we could fight alongside one another!
Simpsons Van Damme did it!

Squink
03-11-2009, 09:39 AM
more and more middle and working class whites feel badly alienated and are growing angry, and the current economic crisis seems to have accelerated this.Well, a lot of middle and working class whites, God bless em, did buy into that Reaganomics horseshit.
Now that it's come home to roost on their personal economy, it's only natural that they should feel disillusioned.

jayjay
03-11-2009, 09:39 AM
Simpsons Van Damme did it!

No, actually, Chuck Norris did it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidekicks). Funny thing, though...I've never pictured Hentor looking like Jonathan Brandeis...

jayjay
03-11-2009, 09:41 AM
They're angry at Wall Street, they're angry at illegal immigration, they're angry at the Democrats and Republicans, they're angry about their jobs being shipped overseas, they're generally angry about a politial and economic system that seems to be wildly out of control and unresponsive to them.

Like I've already said, for at least the next decade or two I don't expect a serious insurrection or revolution to succeed or even get off the ground. What disturbs me is that it isn't just the lunatic fringe types talking this way, it's people I would never have tagged as extremist or radical only a couple of years or even a few months ago.

Call me "batshit crazy" all you please, but more and more middle and working class whites feel badly alienated and are growing angry, and the current economic crisis seems to have accelerated this. Moreover, they are not delusional and have sound reasons for feeling this way. This deserves sober attention, not mockery.

Well, frankly, some of us have been telling them that they've been voting against their own best interests for decades now. Funny how the truth only dawns on them once the whole house of cards collapses. Funny how they seem to want to blame the current administration, which has only been in power for two months, for the current collapse, which began before the current administration was even ELECTED, let alone inaugurated.

Really Not All That Bright
03-11-2009, 09:45 AM
Well, frankly, some of us have been telling them that they've been voting against their own best interests for decades now. Funny how the truth only dawns on them once the whole house of cards collapses. Funny how they seem to want to blame the current administration, which has only been in power for two months, for the current collapse, which began before the current administration was even ELECTED, let alone inaugurated.
I think he's claiming that they blame the system, not Obama. It's not an unreasonable assertion; most of the really weird non-Klan non-Nazi right-wing groups think some sort of eeeeevil cartel is controlling the world but don't necessarily think it's Jewish.

Check out Alex Jones on InfoWars for a good laugh.

LonesomePolecat
03-11-2009, 09:47 AM
Well, frankly, some of us have been telling them that they've been voting against their own best interests for decades now. Funny how the truth only dawns on them once the whole house of cards collapses. Funny how they seem to want to blame the current administration, which has only been in power for two months, for the current collapse, which began before the current administration was even ELECTED, let alone inaugurated. Another "Why won't those retarded bigots vote for us??!?" response. We're done here.

Hentor the Barbarian
03-11-2009, 09:48 AM
No, actually, Chuck Norris did it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidekicks). Funny thing, though...I've never pictured Hentor looking like Jonathan Brandeis...Probably more like Louis Brandeis.

Really Not All That Bright
03-11-2009, 09:49 AM
Another "Why won't those retarded bigots vote for us??!?" response. I guess we're done here.
Well, Speaker for the Disenfranchised, do you have a better plan for quelling the rebeliion than "point and laugh"?

Cervaise
03-11-2009, 09:52 AM
The whole "surrounded" thing makes me wonder if these heavy-browed mouthbreathers can read a map (http://www.dashboardinsight.com/CMS/0c5dbe13-68eb-4c7a-9bf4-f8fc0896d16a/US_Presidential_Election_Population_Cartogram_Large.png).

jayjay
03-11-2009, 09:55 AM
I think he's claiming that they blame the system, not Obama. It's not an unreasonable assertion; most of the really weird non-Klan non-Nazi right-wing groups think some sort of eeeeevil cartel is controlling the world but don't necessarily think it's Jewish.

Check out Alex Jones on InfoWars for a good laugh.

But the system has been moving rightward for 30 years! It's been moving more and more in line with what the right wing thinks is the ideal economic and governmental system for decades. The simple fact is that the current situation is what right-wing control DOES to a country, and they're looking for anything they can scapegoat for it other than their favored theories of government.

jayjay
03-11-2009, 09:56 AM
Another "Why won't those retarded bigots vote for us??!?" response. We're done here.

It's been an argument with you. In light of that, I should have never started, since the initial conditions guaranteed a non-conclusion.

DianaG
03-11-2009, 09:59 AM
Call me "batshit crazy" all you please, but more and more middle and working class whites feel badly alienated and are growing angry, and the current economic crisis seems to have accelerated this. Moreover, they are not delusional and have sound reasons for feeling this way. This deserves sober attention, not mockery.
Okay, you're batshit crazy, and a bigoted moron to boot. You deserve nothing but mockery.

You aren't mad about anything but a black man in the White House. Dress it up all you like, but anyone who has actually read your posts over the years knows better.

Really Not All That Bright
03-11-2009, 10:02 AM
But the system has been moving rightward for 30 years! It's been moving more and more in line with what the right wing thinks is the ideal economic and governmental system for decades. The simple fact is that the current situation is what right-wing control DOES to a country, and they're looking for anything they can scapegoat for it other than their favored theories of government.
I can't say I agree with that. While we are in (hopefully, the end of) a sort of conservative reawakening, the simple fact is that society has incrementally progressed to the left for centuries.

You can see it in everything from universal suffrage to the slow trend towards legitimizing (sorry, couldn't think of a better word) gay marriage.

You could argue that we're moving toward an oligarchy, but I don't think that's the ideal system of government for most right-wingers, even the crazy ones.

LonesomePolecat
03-11-2009, 10:05 AM
Okay, you're batshit crazy, and a bigoted moron to boot. You deserve nothing but mockery.

.And you're a dumb pussy who's mistaken herself for an intellectual. So there. Nyah nyah nyah.

DianaG
03-11-2009, 10:21 AM
Hmm... that's the second time you've said that to me. I haven't mistaken myself for anything, dear, and I'm not really sure what "dumb pussy" means in this context, or to you in general, but since I'm both pretty secure in my intelligence and wholly secure in my favorable impression of pussy, it doesn't carry much sting. I assume it's meant to be hurtful somehow, but it certainly doesn't refute my assertion that you're a known racist, not to mention a joke around here. You got anything else?

Lamar Mundane
03-11-2009, 10:23 AM
They're angry at Wall Street, they're angry at illegal immigration, they're angry at the Democrats and Republicans, they're angry about their jobs being shipped overseas, they're generally angry about a politial and economic system that seems to be wildly out of control and unresponsive to them.

Like I've already said, for at least the next decade or two I don't expect a serious insurrection or revolution to succeed or even get off the ground. What disturbs me is that it isn't just the lunatic fringe types talking this way, it's people I would never have tagged as extremist or radical only a couple of years or even a few months ago.

Call me "batshit crazy" all you please, but more and more middle and working class whites feel badly alienated and are growing angry, and the current economic crisis seems to have accelerated this. Moreover, they are not delusional and have sound reasons for feeling this way. This deserves sober attention, not mockery.


I'll bet you live in the South.

Hentor the Barbarian
03-11-2009, 11:42 AM
Remember when the Michigan Militia and other such tools were getting a lot of airplay in the 90's?

Are we destined for that again?

Would anyone really miss Florida, if they had to go along with TX, AL, MS, GA, SC, TN, KY, OK and AR?

It seems like things would be a whole lot better if there was some redneck mecca they could all go off to. Why not a new CSA?

Really Not All That Bright
03-11-2009, 11:43 AM
Would anyone really miss Florida, if they had to go along with TX, AL, MS, GA, SC, TN, KY, OK and AR?
:mad:

Saltire
03-11-2009, 11:45 AM
Just wanted to say that after reading this thread, the Seattle SDMB pub trivia team went under the name Chuck Norris' Kung-Fu Theocracy.

pravnik
03-11-2009, 11:47 AM
Just wanted to say that after reading this thread, the Seattle SDMB pub trivia team went under the name Chuck Norris' Kung-Fu Theocracy.Awesome.

Dissonance
03-11-2009, 11:47 AM
Call me "batshit crazy" all you please, but more and more middle and working class whites feel badly alienated and are growing angry, and the current economic crisis seems to have accelerated this. Moreover, they are not delusional and have sound reasons for feeling this way. This deserves sober attention, not mockery.Rahowa? Somehow I think what you consider extremist or radical doesn't jive with how most of humanity sees it, so I doubt you're the best judge of how many 'normal' people are becoming willing to take up arms against the elected government, tossing aside democracy to... what? Save the white race from those liberals, jews, niggers and spics?

Ogre
03-11-2009, 11:47 AM
Remember when the Michigan Militia and other such tools were getting a lot of airplay in the 90's?

Are we destined for that again?

Would anyone really miss Florida, if they had to go along with TX, AL, MS, GA, SC, TN, KY, OK and AR?

It seems like things would be a whole lot better if there was some redneck mecca they could all go off to. Why not a new CSA?If you're not a troll, but a bigot, FUCK YOU.

If you're just a troll, FUCK YOU.

you with the face
03-11-2009, 11:50 AM
Call me "batshit crazy" all you please, but more and more middle and working class whites feel badly alienated and are growing angry, and the current economic crisis seems to have accelerated this.

Do you think the people you're talking about would feel as alienated if a white man was in office as opposed to a black one? Something deep down tells me that the only reason we're hearing this talk of insurrection has less to do with the repression and outsourcing, and more to do with "their guy" not running things now. Nevermind the fact that "their guy" was in office for the past 8 years and had a lot to do with us being in this mess.

It's really hard to be sympathetic with people who only now have decided to become angry. Chuck Norris et al should have been talking about revolution back in 2003 when Bush dreamed up his war in Iraq and started taking executive privilege to Nicksonian heights. If he didn't speak out against Bush's flagrant abuses of power, then he should just sit down somewhere and shut up with his Johnny Come Lately self.

Hentor the Barbarian
03-11-2009, 11:56 AM
If you're not a troll, but a bigot, FUCK YOU.

If you're just a troll, FUCK YOU.I think there will be room in the US for all the overly touchy oh-don't-blame-us-for-the-majority-of-other-southerners CSA expatriots.

The Tao's Revenge
03-11-2009, 11:56 AM
If you're not a troll, but a bigot, FUCK YOU.

If you're just a troll, FUCK YOU.

Lighten up, maybe he's quoting Full Metal Jacket or something.

Vinyl Turnip
03-11-2009, 11:57 AM
They're angry at Wall Street, they're angry at illegal immigration, they're angry at the Democrats and Republicans, they're angry about their jobs being shipped overseas, they're generally angry about a politial and economic system that seems to be wildly out of control and unresponsive to them.

HEIL Lou Dobbs, der neue Führer!

I've no problem believing there's a large contingent of overarmed wingnuts anxious to freedom-fight in Apocalypse Economica. I suspect there's a lot of overlap between them and the brave soldiers who are still waiting patiently for the Great Race War against the mud people.

Gangster Octopus
03-11-2009, 11:58 AM
Just wanted to say that after reading this thread, the Seattle SDMB pub trivia team went under the name Chuck Norris' Kung-Fu Theocracy.


That's better than the name we went with: Unemployed, Foreclosed, and Playing with My Wii

Equipoise
03-11-2009, 12:00 PM
Fucking hell. I don't know how long it will last, but on the front page of Yahoo (http://www.yahoo.com)there's a thing about Chuck Norris. Click on the link and it's an innocuous story about it being his birthday. Not one word about his batshit craziness.

Yahoo's been my home page ever since I've had a home page. Not anymore. Fuck you Yahoo.


Oh damn, on preview I clicked on the link and it's been changed, but it was there, and the link went to this story (http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/buzz-log-chuck-norris.html).

Ogre
03-11-2009, 12:02 PM
I think there will be room in the US for all the overly touchy oh-don't-blame-us-for-the-majority-of-other-southerners CSA expatriots.Uh huh. Majority? Prove it, and while you're at it, you'd better add Colorado to that list, since the Front Range is now pretty much the nation's hotbed of fundamentalism and racism.

Equipoise
03-11-2009, 12:16 PM
Call me "batshit crazy" all you please, but more and more middle and working class whites feel badly alienated and are growing angry, and the current economic crisis seems to have accelerated this. Moreover, they are not delusional and have sound reasons for feeling this way. This deserves sober attention, not mockery.According to the latest Gallup poll (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/03/hows-he-doing.html), 62% of Americans approve of the job President Obama (that's President Barack Hussein Obama to you) is doing. 22% disapprove, which, and I'm not going to go looking for a cite, is about the same percentage of Americans who are always in Fuck-You-Democrats mode, no matter what's going on.

Sure, people (not batshit crazy) are upset, but the not batshit crazy ones seem to understand that what's going on is not President Obama's fault, and that he's doing what he can to make things better, and that it will take time for his plans to work.

The 22% batshit crazy ones are to be mocked (and watched closely by the FBI and Secret Service, thank you very much guys).

Lamar Mundane
03-11-2009, 12:18 PM
Uh huh. Majority? Prove it, and while you're at it, you'd better add Colorado to that list, since the Front Range is now pretty much the nation's hotbed of fundamentalism and racism.
Apparantly you haven't been paying attention.

Ogre
03-11-2009, 12:32 PM
Apparantly you haven't been paying attention.Well, my substandard Southern education taught me to spell.

scabpicker
03-11-2009, 12:34 PM
Speaking as a Texan, Chuck Norris is an asshole from Oklahoma. Enough said.

Miller
03-11-2009, 12:34 PM
Save the white race from those liberals, jews, niggers and spics?

Ah, I see you're familiar with the LonesomePolecat oeuvre.

The Tao's Revenge
03-11-2009, 12:39 PM
Well, my substandard Southern education taught me to spell.

And yet that same education leads many southerner to vote Republican. That failure certainly isn't limited or universal to the south, but it is common there.

So in short the blue southern states are A-okay, but red ones, well their own elections show they're stupid mouth breathing morons who either hate or America, or are too stupid to see why they're hurting her.

Ogre
03-11-2009, 12:46 PM
And yet that same education leads many southerner to vote Republican. That failure certainly isn't limited or universal to the south, but it is common there.

So in short the blue southern states are A-okay, but red ones, well their own elections show they're stupid mouth breathing morons who either hate or America, or are too stupid to see why they're hurting her.Ah, bigotry and stupidity are indeed alive and well on the SDMB.

"That same education"? Are you trolling me, or are you this dumb? You do realize that the South has the same diverse sources of education that the rest of the country has, right? Public, private, parochial, etc.? Or did you think we were all "edumacated" in a little red schoolhouse with a dirt floor, somewhere on the outskirts of Wedowee?

As for the rest of your political screed, well, I'm no Republican, but from your post, I can see why a lot of rural Republicans think Democrats are assholes.

Merijeek
03-11-2009, 12:51 PM
I think he's claiming that they blame the system, not Obama. It's not an unreasonable assertion; most of the really weird non-Klan non-Nazi right-wing groups think some sort of eeeeevil cartel is controlling the world but don't necessarily think it's Jewish.

Check out Alex Jones on InfoWars for a good laugh.

But where was all the info about them lockin' and loadin' for the last eight years?

-Joe

Really Not All That Bright
03-11-2009, 01:01 PM
I think there will be room in the US for all the overly touchy oh-don't-blame-us-for-the-majority-of-other-southerners CSA expatriots.
I find it more than a little amusing that you refer to the Michigan Militia "and other such tools" and then proceed to rattle off a list of the "crazy" ("stupid"?) states, none of which are Michigan. Or Idaho, where the Aryan Nations compound is. Or California, where the California Rangers were. Or, indeed, any of the Midwest or Pacific Northwest, where the Christian Identity/racialist/white resistance movement is strongest.

Levolor the Blind
03-11-2009, 01:09 PM
... Or Idaho, where the Aryan Nations compound is ...

Was. They lost their compound in 2001. I mean, I'm sure there are still a bunch of the loonies still up there, but the official Aryan Nations is gone.

Merijeek
03-11-2009, 01:10 PM
Uh huh. Majority? Prove it, and while you're at it, you'd better add Colorado to that list, since the Front Range is now pretty much the nation's hotbed of fundamentalism and racism.

Man, I hope you're not impugning an entire state based on the actions of a loud minority. Because that's exactly what most Southerners tend to complain about when I point how what a bunch of backwards ass racist motherfuckers the residents of Mississippi are.

-Joe

Ogre
03-11-2009, 01:11 PM
Man, I hope you're not impugning an entire state based on the actions of a loud minority. Because that's exactly what most Southerners tend to complain about when I point how what a bunch of backwards ass racist motherfuckers the residents of Mississippi are.

-Joe
Congratulations. You've been whooshed. Report to Detention.

The Tao's Revenge
03-11-2009, 01:12 PM
Ah, bigotry and stupidity are indeed alive and well on the SDMB.

You saying it doesn't make it so. Do you always froth at the mouth when accusing others of bigotry?


"That same education"? Are you trolling me, or are you this dumb? You do realize that the South has the same diverse sources of education that the rest of the country has, right? Public, private, parochial, etc.? Or did you think we were all "edumacated" in a little red schoolhouse with a dirt floor, somewhere on the outskirts of Wedowee?


Hmm yet the southern election maps always feature a lot of Republicans. Now tell me why would an intelligent person who values the future of America and it's freedoms (such as those outlined in the first, and fifth amendments) send a republican to congress?

If it isn't the education then it must be the culture. Which is it?

I suppose you could make an argument for the second amendment, but it seems pretty hypocritical to support the 2nd while trying to gut the others.

I'm not saying this is universal or exclusive to the south, just some rather prominent parts of it. I have no fault and lots of love for the smarter parts of the south.


As for the rest of your political screed, well, I'm no Republican, but from your post, I can see why a lot of rural Republicans think Democrats are assholes.

And republicans where a machine that ran the country into the ground, tortured innocent people, lied to get us in a war that may yet bankrupt us, while cutting off tax revenue contributing in massive debt. If hating something so vile as the party of Rush makes me an asshole, then guilty as charged

Really Not All That Bright
03-11-2009, 01:13 PM
Was. They lost their compound in 2001. I mean, I'm sure there are still a bunch of the loonies still up there, but the official Aryan Nations is gone.
Huh. Wonder how I missed that.
In February 2001, the group's Hayden Lake compound and intellectual property, including the names Aryan Nations and Church of Jesus Christ Christian, were transferred to the Keenans.[7] The Keenans sold the property to Greg Carr, a Southeastern Idaho philanthropist who donated the land to North Idaho College, which designated it a peace park.[7][9] The watchtower was demolished, and the church and meeting hall were burned to the ground during a firefighting exercise. Now tours are occasionally given on the property.
I like the bolded part. "Firefighting exercise" :D

BrainGlutton
03-11-2009, 01:14 PM
I guess my big problem with Chuckie's insignificant screed promoting Yahoo Conservatism (as well as his products and promotions) is that enough people might take this brand of bullshit seriously enough to where they actually try to "do something" to "Take America Back".

Nah! Can't happen here! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing)

Ogre
03-11-2009, 01:26 PM
You saying it doesn't make it so. Do you always froth at the mouth when accusing others of bigotry?Of course. Idiocy makes me angry.



Hmm yet the southern election maps always feature a lot of Republicans. Now tell me why would an intelligent person who values the future of America and it's freedoms (such as those outlined in the first, and fifth amendments) send a republican to congress?

If it isn't the education then it must be the culture. Which is it?Riiiiight. A well-reasoned, balanced opinion. Your thinking is as monolithic, inflexible, and lazy as I've come to expect.

Excluded Middle Fallacy. Look it up, then get back to me.

Also, "Purple America". 5-page paper on why blue states are not really blue, and why red states are not really red. Due tomorrow morning.

I suppose you could make an argument for the second amendment, but it seems pretty hypocritical to support the 2nd while trying to gut the others.

I'm not saying this is universal or exclusive to the south, just some rather prominent parts of it.Oh thank you thank you thank you! Your expert treatise on the Southern mind has opened my eyes! :rolleyes:

And republicans where a machine that ran the country into the ground, tortured innocent people, lied to get us in a war that may yet bankrupt us, while cutting off tax revenue contributing in massive debt.And Democrats don't pay their taxes, and want to TAK AWAY YR GUNZEZ!

The Tao's Revenge
03-11-2009, 01:39 PM
Of course. Idiocy makes me angry.


Unless it's in Full Metal Jacket of course you stupid "southern" hypocrite.


Riiiiight. A well-reasoned, balanced opinion. Your thinking is as monolithic, inflexible, and lazy as I've come to expect.

Excluded Middle Fallacy. Look it up, then get back to me.

Also, "Purple America". 5-page paper on why blue states are not really blue, and why red states are not really red. Due tomorrow morning.


Wow you're a pompous and egotistical prick. You're not my teacher. Do your own homework.

Your arguments seem to be nothing but critiques of other people's arguments, not actual arguments. Before you trying be "teach" maybe you should go pass debate 101 first. That's my homework to you.

A majority of southern states send Republicans to congress, the party currently lead by Rush Limbaugh, drama queen of the mouth breathing fools, and you're saying that's not reflective of southern cultural values?




And Democrats don't pay their taxes, and want to TAK AWAY YR GUNZEZ!

Ahh mocking, because your "southern education" left you too stupid to explain why my critique of republicans is wrong.

Go away fool.

Ogre
03-11-2009, 01:42 PM
Unless it's in Full Metal Jacket of course you stupid "southern" hypocrite.



Wow you're a pompous and egotistical prick. You're not my teacher. Do your own homework.

Your arguments seem to be nothing but critiques of other people's arguments, not actual arguments. Before you trying be "teach" maybe you should go pass debate 101 first. That's my homework to you.

A majority of southern states send Republicans to congress, the party currently lead by Rush Limbaugh, drama queen of the mouth breathing fools, and you're saying that's not reflective of southern cultural values?

Ahh mocking, because your "southern education" left you too stupid to explain why my critique of republicans is wrong.

Go away fool.You have no arguments worth taking time out my day to address. You're dismissed, until such time as you grow a pair and actually decide to learn something about that which you so obviously know nothing.

Look, kiddo. Ignorance is not shameful until you 1) refuse to learn, and 2) opine about something of which you have no knowledge.

Guilty as charged. Buh-bye.

elucidator
03-11-2009, 01:45 PM
Speaking as a Texan, Chuck Norris is an asshole from Oklahoma. Enough said.

Speaking as a recovering Texan, thank you, Jesus!

jayjay
03-11-2009, 01:45 PM
Jeebus Christmas...cut it out! This stupid regional hijack is not adding interest to this thread...I just skimmed through a page and a half because it seemed to be all about "stupid southerner"/"stupid yankee" crap.

Frankly, I've never lived south of the Mason-Dixon line but I'm somewhat sympathetic to Ogre. The post he responded badly to was way out of line. We've been over this before...you can't blame some mythical "The South" for pretty much anything. There's as much racism in "The North" as there is in "The South". There's as much Republicanism in "The North" as there is in "The South". Using presidential results to try to pin "The South" as being the only Republican-voting region is somewhat misleading, since pretty much every state sends Republicans to at least the House, and that's not even counting state and local positions. Ogre has a good point about purple states.

The Tao's Revenge
03-11-2009, 01:51 PM
You have no arguments worth taking time out my day to address. You're dismissed, until such time as you grow a pair and actually decide to learn something about that which you so obviously know nothing.

Look, kiddo. Ignorance is not shameful until you 1) refuse to learn, and 2) opine about something of which you have no knowledge.

Guilty as charged. Buh-bye.

Actually I came back to the thread to apologize. Quiet frankly I don't like you because of another thread, but I should let that grudge go. I was arguing more on that grudge, and another grudge against republicans in general (not that I believe you are a republican mind you) then anything. A chance to give you a taste of your own medicine if you will.

It was petty and immature and I apologize to you and various Southern and southern originated dopers here.

Ogre
03-11-2009, 01:57 PM
Actually I came back to the thread to apologize. Quiet frankly I don't like you because of another thread, but I should let that grudge go. I was arguing more on that grudge, and another grudge against republicans in general (not that I believe you are a republican mind you) then anything. A chance to give you a taste of your own medicine if you will.

It was petty and immature and I apologize to you and various Southern and southern originated dopers here.Then please accept my apology as well. I tend to escalate these things past any useful limit, out of sheer pig-headedness and superiority. I understand your problem with Southern Republicans. Hell, 99% of the time, I have the same problems with them. Thank you for your apology, and please try not to think badly of me in the future.

jayjay
03-11-2009, 01:58 PM
Obviously, I need to berate more people for bickering in the Pit.

*buffs his nails on his shirt*

Polycarp
03-11-2009, 02:00 PM
Look, I was born and brought up about as far north as you can get without having a mandatory "Eh?" attached to every sentence. (;)) I learned the stereotype of the South from experts. And I've lived for ten years in rural North Carolina.

Yeah, there's a little truth in the stereotype -- stereotypes are not built from nothing. But there's also a lot that is missed by it -- including the fact that no community, nowhere, is a monolithic entity of :shudder: "Them!" (You know "Them"; They're the ones to blame. And They're out to get us!)

You know that neighbor -- or maybe it's your brother-in-law? -- that you try to ignore as much as possible, because his opinions are unsupported by anything in Heaven or on Earth, and he's convinced you need to hear them? Him? That's how most people, north and south, feel about the local embarrassment that turns into a news story.

Speaking of which, all those folks complaining about illegal aliens because they're, y'know, committing crimes? Where are they when Chuck and his fellow vigilantes are advocating the overthrrow of the government? That is a felony. (How about an episode of "Walker: Texas Convict"?)

mswas
03-11-2009, 02:01 PM
I think it's funny that Beck does a song and dance about being afraid of the Bubba effect but he's the one doing the most to promote its encouragement.

Hentor the Barbarian
03-11-2009, 02:10 PM
I find it more than a little amusing that you refer to the Michigan Militia "and other such tools" and then proceed to rattle off a list of the "crazy" ("stupid"?) states, none of which are Michigan. Or Idaho, where the Aryan Nations compound is. Or California, where the California Rangers were. Or, indeed, any of the Midwest or Pacific Northwest, where the Christian Identity/racialist/white resistance movement is strongest.That's exactly why I said there should be a mecca - you know, a place for them to go... a place away from me.

I'll be happy to trade all the people who want to violently overthrow the government every time a Democrat is elected president for all those who don't want to live near them.

The Tao's Revenge
03-11-2009, 02:10 PM
Then please accept my apology as well. I tend to escalate these things past any useful limit, out of sheer pig-headedness and superiority. I understand your problem with Southern Republicans. Hell, 99% of the time, I have the same problems with them. Thank you for your apology, and please try not to think badly of me in the future.

No worries, and thanks. I tend to escalate things too sometimes. Something pushes certain buttons and I react very emotionally instead of levelheaded.

I can understand your defensiveness about The South. I get very defensive about Michigan these days. People pigeon hole the whole region based on it's troubles without seeing the real people there.

Really Not All That Bright
03-11-2009, 02:22 PM
That's exactly why I said there should be a mecca - you know, a place for them to go... a place away from me.

I'll be happy to trade all the people who want to violently overthrow the government every time a Democrat is elected president for all those who don't want to live near them.
As I pointed out earlier, the really crazy people (like the MM) want to violently overthrow the government when Republicans are in office too.

Hentor the Barbarian
03-11-2009, 03:11 PM
As I pointed out earlier, the really crazy people (like the MM) want to violently overthrow the government when Republicans are in office too.True, very true.

Cervaise
03-11-2009, 03:44 PM
Obviously, I need to berate more people for bickering in the Pit.

*buffs his nails on his shirt*There's a dust-up in Ireland that could use your talents.

Equipoise
03-11-2009, 03:48 PM
Aw. Group hug!

Hentor the Barbarian
03-11-2009, 04:01 PM
Aw. Group hug!Depends. Where are you from?

Equipoise
03-11-2009, 04:11 PM
The bluest city in the universe, man! Obamatown! (Chicago)



(though I was born and raised in red, red Kansas, but don't hold that against me. I got better.)

sqweels
03-11-2009, 04:16 PM
Getting back on-topic, is Chuck Norris saying that people are--to put it one way--"bitter" and thus "clinging to guns and religion"?

Captain Carrot
03-11-2009, 04:16 PM
Using presidential results to try to pin "The South" as being the only Republican-voting region is somewhat misleading, since pretty much every state sends Republicans to at least the House, and that's not even counting state and local positions. Ogre has a good point about purple states.

Well, except that New England has absolutely no Republicans in the House, and three in the Senate, two of whom are barely Pubbies. Meanwhile, most (or at least a distinct majority) of the South is represented by two Republicans in the Senate and a Republican in the House.

Let's not start this argument up again, though.

Equipoise
03-11-2009, 04:25 PM
Getting back on-topic, is Chuck Norris saying that people are--to put it one way--"bitter" and thus "clinging to guns and religion"?Ha, that's why they don't like him. He hit a little too close to home.

Hentor the Barbarian
03-11-2009, 04:31 PM
The bluest city in the universe, man! Obamatown! (Chicago)[/b]Chicago? Well you get way more than a hug, baby!
(though I was born and raised in red, red Kansas, but don't hold that against me. I got better.)I grew up in St. Louis. You can hold that against me if you want. I'm still trying to shake it off.

R. P. McMurphy
03-11-2009, 06:26 PM
Getting back on-topic, is Chuck Norris saying that people are--to put it one way--"bitter" and thus "clinging to guns and religion"?

Wait a minute. Refresh my memory. Didn't Obama get roasted and toasted during the campaign for saying something similar to that? He said it in front of a small group, the media picked up on it and the conservatives ran with it.

Maybe that's what you're referring to and, if so, I admit to getting whooshed.

Merijeek
03-11-2009, 07:40 PM
Getting back on-topic, is Chuck Norris saying that people are--to put it one way--"bitter" and thus "clinging to guns and religion"?

No, they're just "angry" and "patriotic".

Totally different.

Sparty, you got whooshed.

-Joe

Frank
03-11-2009, 08:08 PM
Uh huh. Majority? Prove it, and while you're at it, you'd better add Colorado to that list, since the Front Range is now pretty much the nation's hotbed of fundamentalism and racism.
Actually, if you limit that to Colorado Springs, you might be able to argue - win or lose, but at least argue. The district based on Ft Collins elected a Democrat last year, the district based on Aurora elected (and re-elected) a Democrat in 2006, the district based on Denver has been Democratic for ages, the district based on Boulder has been Democratic since God was shitting in his diapers, the district based on Pueblo is also represented by a Democrat.

Perhaps you're using a different definition of Front Range than Colorado does.

El_Kabong
03-11-2009, 09:17 PM
Getting back on-topic, is Chuck Norris saying that people are--to put it one way--"bitter" and thus "clinging to guns and religion"?

That was rather beautiful.

dropzone
03-11-2009, 09:40 PM
Joe Bob 'luc says "Check it out!"...)Y'know, Ol' Joe Bob is also associated with The Wittenburg Door" ("http://www.wittenburgdoor.com/) (spelling incorrect since the first issue and NEVER corrected), the only religious satire magazine, and a pretty funny read. Even before Joe Bob, whose "NPR: National Communist Public Radio" I never tire of stealing.

SteveG1
03-13-2009, 03:58 PM
How come when a Republican was in the White House, conservatives were all "Even if you don't like him, you still have to respect that he's out leader and our president," yet, I really don't hear that coming from any conservative right now about a Democrat in the White House.
It never happened. The last 8 years never existed.

We are at war with Oceania. We were never at war with Oceania. We are at war with Oceania. We were never at war with Oceania.

Equipoise
03-13-2009, 10:19 PM
So, did anyone hear the Beckbark? I had almost considered infiltrating one of the loonfests, but decided that I wouldn't be able to control my sneering and guffawing.

Squink
03-13-2009, 10:42 PM
The 12 Values:

* Honesty
* Reverence
* Hope
* Thrift
* Humility
* Charity
* Sincerity
* Moderation
* Hard Work
* Courage
* Personal Responsibility
* Gratitude

The Nine Principles

* 1. America is good.
* 2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
* 3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
* 4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
* 5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
* 6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
* 7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
* 8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
* 9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.
The 912 project (http://military.rightpundits.com/2009/03/13/the-912-project-glenn-beck-principles-and-values-video/)

Comparing the 12 conservative values to BoyScout Law: (http://www.scouting.org/en/Media/FactSheets/02-503a.aspx)
Scout Law

TRUSTWORTHY
A Scout tells the truth. He keeps his promises. Honesty is part of his code of conduct. People can depend on him.

LOYAL
A Scout is true to his family, Scout leaders, friends, school, and nation.

HELPFUL
A Scout is concerned about other people. He does things willingly for others without pay or reward.

FRIENDLY
A Scout is a friend to all. He is a brother to other Scouts. He seeks to understand others. He respects those with ideas and customs other than his own.

COURTEOUS
A Scout is polite to everyone regardless of age or position. He knows good manners make it easier for people to get along together.

KIND
A Scout understands there is strength in being gentle. He treats others as he wants to be treated. He does not hurt or kill harmless things without reason.

OBEDIENT
A Scout follows the rules of his family, school, and troop. He obeys the laws of his community and country. If he thinks these rules and laws are unfair, he tries to have them changed in an orderly manner rather than disobey them.

CHEERFUL
A Scout looks for the bright side of things. He cheerfully does tasks that come his way. He tries to make others happy.

THRIFTY
A Scout works to pay his way and to help others. He saves for unforeseen needs. He protects and conserves natural resources. He carefully uses time and property.

BRAVE
A Scout can face danger even if he is afraid. He has the courage to stand for what he thinks is right even if others laugh at or threaten him.

CLEAN
A Scout keeps his body and mind fit and clean. He goes around with those who believe in living by these same ideals. He helps keep his home and community clean.

REVERENT
A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the beliefs of others. I can't help but notice the absence of "cleanliness" from the list of conservative values. I hope this does not mean that they are going to go around stinking like hippies for the next 8 years.

elucidator
03-13-2009, 10:56 PM
Stink to high heaven, they still won't qualify. Standards.

Guinastasia
03-13-2009, 10:58 PM
You know, when I read his first couple of posts, I figured that LonesomePolecat was just saying that he personally knew of some people who felt this way-not that he necessarily agreed with them. Guess I was wrong. That's what I get for giving people the benefit of the doubt. (Then again, wasn't he the one who warned us about the white race being in danger of shrinking?)

Maybe many of them were Chuck Norris's ancestors. And we all know that Chuck Norris counts as two people: Chuck Norris and Chuck Norris's balls.


Too bad that's also where his brains seem to be.

I say J.R. Ewing should be President of Texas. Southfork Ranch would make a kickass Presidential residence. And let's face it-who WOULDN'T want the Dallas theme as a national anthem?


I actually listen to Glenn Beck on my 45 minute drive to work, and last week, he had an interview with Chuck Norris. I remember it being a little more... delusional than this transcript (http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/22220/) denotes, but I really think that Chuck Norris thinks he is the characters he portrays.


Maybe ol' Chucky read the fact that the Bush administration had warning that Al Qaeda was going to attack and ignored it...and somehow came up with some goofy plan for a really, REALLY shitty movie?


(As for Northern bigots, I'm in Pennsylvania. It's only been about four years since we ousted Santorum (http://spreadingsantorum.com/). So I hear ya.

tumbleddown
03-13-2009, 11:12 PM
(As for Northern bigots, I'm in Pennsylvania. It's only been about four years since we ousted Santorum (http://spreadingsantorum.com/). So I hear ya.
Yes, but when we elected Santorum at first, I don't think we knew what a hate-steeped, loathesome little toad he really is. He hid his true reptilian nature until he was a couple of years in the Senate, then it was like "HAHA SURPRISE LOON!" all over us. And the dems couldn't muster a decent opponent (Ron Klink?!) and there we were.

Nicolas Bourbaki
03-13-2009, 11:39 PM
The Nine Principles

* 1. America is good.
* 2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
* 3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
* 4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
* 5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
* 6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
* 7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
* 8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
* 9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.

You know, this sort of talk is going to hamstring an insurrection from the get-go, and I'm not even getting into the fact that it directly contradicts 4, 7, and 9. Methinks this crop of Angry White Men have yet to find the courage of their convictions.

Guinastasia
03-14-2009, 12:10 AM
Yes, but when we elected Santorum at first, I don't think we knew what a hate-steeped, loathesome little toad he really is. He hid his true reptilian nature until he was a couple of years in the Senate, then it was like "HAHA SURPRISE LOON!" all over us. And the dems couldn't muster a decent opponent (Ron Klink?!) and there we were.

Well, I was too young to vote when he ran initially. HA HA-can't blame me!!!

Hentor the Barbarian
03-14-2009, 12:21 AM
(As for Northern bigots, I'm in Pennsylvania. It's only been about four years since we ousted Santorum (http://spreadingsantorum.com/). So I hear ya.I'm in Pennsylvania too. Thing is, we did vote him out by a whopping 59% to 41% margin. Yeah, he served two terms, but only two.

C3
03-14-2009, 10:52 AM
You know, this sort of talk is going to hamstring an insurrection from the get-go, and I'm not even getting into the fact that it directly contradicts 4, 7, and 9. Methinks this crop of Angry White Men have yet to find the courage of their convictions.

No, no, no. It says if you break the law, not if I break the law.

Squink
03-14-2009, 12:02 PM
No, no, no. It says if you break the law, not if I break the law.I noticed that distinction too.
Given the close parsing the Republicans have done this past eight years, it may well be significant.

The Weird One
03-14-2009, 09:33 PM
No, no, no. It says if you break the law, not if I break the law.HA! I hadn't noticed that the first time 'round. Rather telling, isn't it?

Equipoise
03-15-2009, 06:00 AM
This is hilarious. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9JE5SBm9UU) Shep Smith of Fox News obviously thinks Glenn Beck is whacked, and can barely keep from sneering and gaffawing himself. Someone put together a bunch of clips from Friday of him being snarky and mocking Beck during the lead up to the Beckbark. At one point Chris Wallace looks like he wants to smack him.

"He will be joining us from his Fear Chamber di-rectly"

"We are here to celebrate, worship and adore"

Reading an e-mail on-air: "'Shepard needs to change his snotty attitude. Obviously he is jealous of Glenn Beck.' *with a barely straight face* Everyone is."

I don't watch Fox. Is Smith always snarky like this? I wonder if he really needs to get out of there and join The Daily Show.

Boyo Jim
03-15-2009, 07:07 AM
This is hilarious. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9JE5SBm9UU) Shep Smith of Fox News obviously thinks Glenn Beck is whacked, and can barely keep from sneering and gaffawing himself. Someone put together a bunch of clips from Friday of him being snarky and mocking Beck during the lead up to the Beckbark. At one point Chris Wallace looks like he wants to smack him.

"He will be joining us from his Fear Chamber di-rectly"

"We are here to celebrate, worship and adore"

Reading an e-mail on-air: "'Shepard needs to change his snotty attitude. Obviously he is jealous of Glenn Beck.' *with a barely straight face* Everyone is."

I don't watch Fox. Is Smith always snarky like this? I wonder if he really needs to get out of there and join The Daily Show.

I've never seen him before, but it wouldn't surprise me if he's out on the street next week looking for a job. He took a shot at O'Reilly, even. He'd fit in well on TDS.

C3
03-15-2009, 08:51 AM
Shep Smith is always like that. I love him. I think he's the only normal person working for Fox News.

Equipoise
03-15-2009, 09:07 AM
Wow, I love him too now! Here's a longer version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkMqvy-D5hM&NR=1) with more funny stuff.

Reading another e-mail: "'Are you on drugs again Shep?'"

Equipoise
03-15-2009, 11:09 AM
I'm going to hijack my own thread here. I found a few more Shep Smith gems.

Lambasting some goofball (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHKzS5Zl6mY) over how "liberal media" was in the tank for Obama.

Grilling Joe the Plumber (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eSJuWgZGYo), who, not surprisingly, ends up looking like an ignorant doofus. He defends Obama too. Watch it all the way to the end. His last line is a killer.

Here he's blasting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_cqUdpPNdc&feature=related) a liberal viewer's e-mail, but what he says is actually pretty smart and full of righteous anger and not just a RW talking point rant.

Smith mocking coverage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmBMIOVMPo&feature=related) of the Paris Hilton jail sentence.

Smith being blown around (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JEKlRJqbkA&feature=related)in a hurricane and telling it like it is: "It's just stupid to be out in this"

Mocking a UFO "researcher" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BJ4jjRZhis&feature=related): "I think it's all a load of crap"

Smith sticks a shiv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OmhMcKCIuA&feature=related) into Drew Peterson.

And a very funny Freudian slip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClqfJp4WBBQ&NR=1).

SteveG1
03-15-2009, 11:57 AM
Have fun with your local militia fighting the black helicopters/UN/NWO/ZOG/Illuminati/ whatever. Seriously, why is the mood suddenly so ugly? We've had a Negro in chief for a couple of months and the crazies are freaking out?

I wonder how these right wing nut jobs would act if there was a 'leftist' organization advocating the violent overthrow of the duly elected US Government. Oh wait. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism)
That's it! How did we all miss it?

It's Blazing Saddles, and the "good folk" are freaked about the new Sheriff in town :D

Nicolas Bourbaki
03-15-2009, 01:19 PM
No, no, no. It says if you break the law, not if I break the law.

On first reading, I thought that was a joke. But holy shit you're right.

Equipoise
03-15-2009, 01:26 PM
No doubt they're (partially) talking about President Obama, who (to them) obviously broke the law by running for and winning the presidency when in fact he's not even an American citizen.

There are lots of videos on YouTube now about this "We Surround Them" crap, but I no longer have any interest in watching them. This shit is going to get someone hurt or killed.

SteveG1
03-16-2009, 04:12 PM
On first reading, I thought that was a joke. But holy shit you're right.

It's not a democracy, it's a chucktocracy :D

Equipoise
03-16-2009, 04:58 PM
They're angry at Wall Street, they're angry at illegal immigration, they're angry at the Democrats and Republicans, they're angry about their jobs being shipped overseas, they're generally angry about a politial and economic system that seems to be wildly out of control and unresponsive to them.Hey Lonesome, if you're still reading, what'd you think of Jon Stewart's rant against CNBC last week? You and all these other angry people must have loved the hell out of it, right?

Lamar Mundane
03-16-2009, 05:02 PM
I'm going to hijack my own thread here. I found a few more Shep Smith gems.

Lambasting some goofball (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHKzS5Zl6mY) over how "liberal media" was in the tank for Obama.

Grilling Joe the Plumber (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eSJuWgZGYo), who, not surprisingly, ends up looking like an ignorant doofus. He defends Obama too. Watch it all the way to the end. His last line is a killer.

Here he's blasting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_cqUdpPNdc&feature=related) a liberal viewer's e-mail, but what he says is actually pretty smart and full of righteous anger and not just a RW talking point rant.

Smith mocking coverage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmBMIOVMPo&feature=related) of the Paris Hilton jail sentence.

Smith being blown around (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JEKlRJqbkA&feature=related)in a hurricane and telling it like it is: "It's just stupid to be out in this"

Mocking a UFO "researcher" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BJ4jjRZhis&feature=related): "I think it's all a load of crap"

Smith sticks a shiv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OmhMcKCIuA&feature=related) into Drew Peterson.

And a very funny Freudian slip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClqfJp4WBBQ&NR=1).

Shepherd Smith's finest moment. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrhvkuzPMio&feature=related) I bacame a big fan of his after I saw this live. This was just an awesome bit of reporting and a complete smackdown of Sean Hannity. Even the presense of a bawling Geraldo Rivera coudn't diminish it's power.

SteveG1
03-16-2009, 05:06 PM
"So, I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window, open it, and stick your head out and yell, "I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!!"

-Howard Beale, the Mad Prophet :D

Cicero
03-16-2009, 05:22 PM
But there were only 145 of them there.

The original article says that 145 Texans drew their dying breath. It didn't say there were only 145 there from what I read. So Grunman could be correct.

Squink
03-16-2009, 06:19 PM
Michael Steele checks in: (http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/131909/steele%27s_overlooked_radio_rant:_compares_obama_to_nixon,_declares_%27ultimate_political_armageddon %27/)"I love this battle because what I see right now is leading to the ultimate political Armageddon between conservatism and liberalism," Steele declared at one point. "And the idea that free enterprise, free markets, free people are going to battle an oppressive, repressive, domineering government. I love that. That's what we are lining up for you folks. So you better get ready, strap it on, because it's coming. And you better pick your sides, you better choose now."The Millenium is over and we did not witness the second coming. Much as you crave it, Armageddon is not imminent.
Most of America has moved beyond these end time scenarios. I do wish the GOP could do so as well.

Boyo Jim
03-16-2009, 08:22 PM
Michael Steele checks in: (http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/131909/steele%27s_overlooked_radio_rant:_compares_obama_to_nixon,_declares_%27ultimate_political_armageddon %27/)The Millenium is over and we did not witness the second coming. Much as you crave it, Armageddon is not imminent.
Most of America has moved beyond these end time scenarios. I do wish the GOP could do so as well.

I didn't quite get from his comments if Obama is like or unlike Roberto Mussolini.

Guinastasia
03-16-2009, 08:37 PM
Hey Lonesome, if you're still reading, what'd you think of Jon Stewart's rant against CNBC last week? You and all these other angry people must have loved the hell out of it, right?

Oooh, missed it-I assume it's on YouTube?

C3
03-16-2009, 09:07 PM
I didn't quite get from his comments if Obama is like or unlike Roberto Mussolini.
Who's Roberto Mussolini?

Boyo Jim
03-16-2009, 09:10 PM
Who's Roberto Mussolini?


I dunno, but Michael Steele claims to. Read the link. He was speaking, apparently, about powerful historical figures like Adolf Hitler and Roberto Mussolini. :rolleyes:

Oh yes, and the importance of education. :dubious:

jayjay
03-16-2009, 09:18 PM
"Strap it on"? My goodness, Mr. Steele! I barely even know you!

Jack Batty
03-16-2009, 09:29 PM
You know, I always saw Shepard Smith as just some pretty boy ... but then again, I don't find myself watching that much Fox "News". But watching those clips, I'm liking him more and more.

Geraldo, on the other hand, needs to take an acting class or two.

C3
03-16-2009, 09:45 PM
Is "strap it on" a gun reference? Is this another instance of barely veiled threats of violence? Well, along with the whole Armageddon, choose your sides crap.

SteveG1
03-16-2009, 11:35 PM
Is "strap it on" a gun reference? Is this another instance of barely veiled threats of violence? Well, along with the whole Armageddon, choose your sides crap.
It sure sounds like "strapping on the six gun" doesn't it? I thought that went out with the last century (I mean 1880-something). Well whatever, those dummies probably wouldn't know what to do with a Colt Single Action Army, if they are talking six guns. They would probably pull the trigger without cocking the hammer, and then go demand a refund for a broken gun :D

I guess they also don't know that one good way to turn a person against you is to pull that "either you are with us or you are against us" junk. Start a fight an try to force me into it, I will turn on you first. I doubt that sort of reaction is unusual at all.

Equipoise
03-17-2009, 05:02 AM
Oooh, missed it-I assume it's on YouTube?To get the full delicious flavor of what happened, you have to watch the earlier videos in order.

On Wednesday March 4, Jon Stewart's guest was supposed to be Rick Santelli, a CNBC doof who went all ballistic on President Obama's plans to help out struggling homeowners. Santelli cancelled, and Stewart ran an eye-opening and embarrassing piece about how CNBC didn't know jack shit, or if they did, they weren't telling their audience.

The clip itself (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/05/jon-stewart-eviscerates-c_n_172057.html) (scroll down). (the full episode (http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/index.jhtml?episodeId=220250) if you're interested. The clip referenced is very near the beginning.)

Jim Cramer, another CNBC doof, took exception to Stewart's skewering of CNBC. Cramer wasn't the focus of Stewart's piece but he did appear in it, along with several other CNBC doofs. He wrote in a column:

Take Frank Rich and Jon Stewart. Both seize on the urban legend that I recommended Bear Stearns the week before it collapsed, even though I was saying that I thought it could be worthless as soon as the following week. I did tell an emailer that his deposit in his account at Bear Stearns was safe, but through a clever sound bite, Stewart, and subsequently Rich -- neither of whom have bothered to listen to the context of the pulled quote -- pass off the notion of account safety as an out-and-out buy recommendation.Stewart, not wanting to pass up such a golden opportunity, put together another piece, this time focusing on Jim Cramer. It's pretty damning.

The clip itself is on this Salon article's page (http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/03/10/cramer_stewart/index.html) (scroll down). Here's the full episode, (http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/index.jhtml?episodeId=220284) which also has the clip very near the beginning of the show.

The next day, Jim Cramer went on the Today show and was broadsided when they showed him the clip from the night before. The split screen showing his face (he obviously hadn't seen it beforehand) is priceless.

The clip (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/10/jim-cramer-defends-himsel_n_173450.html) (scroll down, and be patient because they talk about some other economic things first). Cramer also went on the Joe Doucheborough show to snark about Stewart, but I don't have a clip of that.

So, Stewart invited Jim Cramer to come on to The Daily Show and Cramer accepted, and he was on the show Thursday March 12. He must have thought he was going to get a few jokes at his expense and then they'd make nice, but Stewart had other plans, and articulated the anger that millions of Americans have, not so much at Cramer specifically, but at the lax financial reporting and the games played with people's money. It's breathtakingly spectacular, and wonderfully refreshing.

You HAVE to watch the full episode. (http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/index.jhtml?episodeId=220533) There's no one clip that will do it justice. There's an even longer version (http://blog.indecisionforever.com/2009/03/13/jon-stewart-and-jim-cramer-the-extended-daily-show-interview/) because they had to cut some things for time, but watch the one that the rest of us saw first. That's the one that got national (and international) attention.


For some reason there seems to be a partisan divide in the reactions to the Stewart/CNBC/Cramer fued which I don't understand. Stewart wasn't going after Cramer because Cramer's a Republican (Cramer is a Democrat who voted for Obama, or so I hear) but all the nasty comments toward Stewart about this seem to come from conservatives. And that's why I asked Lonesome if he was pleased with Stewart's taking on CNBC. You'd think, right? I'm still waiting for an answer but LP might not be reading this thread anymore (see, I'm giving you an out LP).

Bosstone
03-17-2009, 08:28 AM
For some reason there seems to be a partisan divide in the reactions to the Stewart/CNBC/Cramer fued which I don't understand. Stewart wasn't going after Cramer because Cramer's a Republican (Cramer is a Democrat who voted for Obama, or so I hear) but all the nasty comments toward Stewart about this seem to come from conservatives.I think it's because it's primarily the right who seems to equate psychotic greed of the sort that caused all these problems and that Jon is railing against with normal, healthy, free market capitalism. Even now, calling for regulation and sanity checks is enough to draw their ire.

There's also the possibility that they saw a good opportunity to frame Stewart as Limbaugh's liberal counterpart with his sudden publicity.

Jack Batty
03-17-2009, 08:53 AM
Live Debate: Limbaugh v Stewart!

The public demands it!

Are you not entertained?

SteveG1
03-17-2009, 10:07 AM
Live Debate: Limbaugh v Stewart!

The public demands it!

Are you not entertained?
Thunderdome!

gaffa
03-17-2009, 10:49 AM
Live Debate: Limbaugh v Stewart!

The public demands it!

Are you not entertained?
Man, that would be ugly! As I pointed out earlier, Limbaugh is a total bath toy when he does not control the conditions of the argument. Given an opponent who has a microphone he (or his producer) can't cut off, in a fair debate? He is utterly at sea. I wish I had a clip of his tragic appearance on the David Letterman show - it was almost, but not quite, pathetic enough to make one feel sorry for him. Faced with Stewart's research and intellect? He'd probably have a stroke. He's never faced a critic face to face on neutral ground since, as far as I know.

Guinastasia
03-17-2009, 02:51 PM
Awesome-I'll have to take a look!

BTW, did anyone catch the latest Daily Show? The MoZ was Glenn Beck weeping over how much he loved his country, and a colleague at FOX looking at the clip like Beck was nuts.

When FOX thinks you're over the top...well, that's pretty sad.

Bosstone
03-17-2009, 03:13 PM
Awesome-I'll have to take a look!

BTW, did anyone catch the latest Daily Show? The MoZ was Glenn Beck weeping over how much he loved his country, and a colleague at FOX looking at the clip like Beck was nuts.

When FOX thinks you're over the top...well, that's pretty sad.That's Shep. There's a bunch of links on this page leading to awesome stuff from him. I'm glad I checked them out before watching yesterday's show, it gave me a good context for it. Shep's been slamming Beck constantly.

SteveG1
03-18-2009, 11:15 AM
Awesome-I'll have to take a look!

BTW, did anyone catch the latest Daily Show? The MoZ was Glenn Beck weeping over how much he loved his country, and a colleague at FOX looking at the clip like Beck was nuts.

When FOX thinks you're over the top...well, that's pretty sad.
Sad? Hell no, it's great!. Both are on Fox. That's good, it keeps other Fox people ( the O'Reilly, Limbaugh types) from crying that some "enemy liberal media ummmm thing" did it. It's their own boss doing it. That's great.

elucidator
03-18-2009, 11:49 AM
Nope. Batshit Beck is an up and comer. Shep Smith? Who? He will toe the line, or he's toast.

Bosstone
03-18-2009, 11:58 AM
Nope. Batshit Beck is an up and comer. Shep Smith? Who? He will toe the line, or he's toast.Shep's been snarking at least since Katrina, judging by the videos. He's been on Fox a while, long enough for them to drop him already if they didn't like his attitude.