Got Tiger 10 with Motion Plus for Wii today

[Cubsfan]

Just played a little of it. Not bad. It seems pretty accurate. The Wii graphics SUCK but otherwise it seems ok.

Anyone else get this?

[Red Barchetta]

Just played a little of it. Not bad. It seems pretty accurate. The Wii graphics SUCK but otherwise it seems ok.

Anyone else get this?

I don't have it, but I did play it. Have you tried the Frisbee golf yet? That mode is really fun, and actually demonstrates how cool MotionPlus really is, much more so than the game itself.

[Least Original User Name Ever]

I'm wavering on it. I just don't know if it's going to be what I'm looking for and I don't want to get disappointed.

[Cubsfan]

I'm wavering on ity. I just don't know if it's going to be what I'm looking for and I don't want to get disappointed.
You could be disappointed. The motion plus is way better than a regular wiimote but it isn't earth shatteringly so. Also if you are playing multiplayer you must hand the wiimote back and forth because the standard remote plays like ass and your guests won't want to use it. The party golfmode requires multiple wiimotes and if you don't have multiple motion plus modules no one will want to play with you because the difference is so dramatic that the basic wimote feels crippled compared to the mp remote. That said though I expected to be blown away by the mp but wasn't. It is noticably better though and you get a good discount buying it packed with tw so I'd say it's worth picking up. It's too bad it doesn't assist older games though.

[Red Barchetta]

That said though I expected to be blown away by the mp but wasn't.

Yeah...golf isn't the best showcase for the technology. I mean, Tiger Woods 09 was already pretty competent with the standard Wiimote technology. However, as I mentioned earlier, the Frisbee Golf really shows how Wii MotionPlus shines--and it's put to even better use in the upcoming Wii Sports Resort (which I played extensively at E3).

At any rate, all the reviews I've read have stated this is the best version of Tiger Woods yet, besting the 360 and PS3 versions, with IGN even going so far as to say "EA has crafted what is ultimately the most satisfyingly immersive and altogether entertaining golf simulation that money can buy, period."

[Least Original User Name Ever]

You could be disappointed. The motion plus is way better than a regular wiimote but it isn't earth shatteringly so. Also if you are playing multiplayer you must hand the wiimote back and forth because the standard remote plays like ass and your guests won't want to use it. The party golfmode requires multiple wiimotes and if you don't have multiple motion plus modules no one will want to play with you because the difference is so dramatic that the basic wimote feels crippled compared to the mp remote. That said though I expected to be blown away by the mp but wasn't. It is noticably better though and you get a good discount buying it packed with tw so I'd say it's worth picking up. It's too bad it doesn't assist older games though.


I don't think I'd be playing with anyone, at least not very often.

What I'd like: More courses and a more accurate swing tracking system.

[Red Barchetta]

What I'd like: More courses and a more accurate swing tracking system.

What do you mean? The capture of the swing itself? MotionPlus delivers that.

[Cubsfan]

I don't think I'd be playing with anyone, at least not very often.

What I'd like: More courses and a more accurate swing tracking system.

Then you can safely buy this game because the swing tracking is greatly improved, to the point that you won't be able to use the regular wiimote anymore to play and there are I think 28 courses, which is a hell of a lot to me.

The graphics SUCK...but that's expected.

[Least Original User Name Ever]

What do you mean? The capture of the swing itself? MotionPlus delivers that.

However my swing is, I want it accurately displayed. I want to be playing the next best thing t golf in the dead of winter.

[Least Original User Name Ever]

Then you can safely buy this game because the swing tracking is greatly improved, to the point that you won't be able to use the regular wiimote anymore to play and there are I think 28 courses, which is a hell of a lot to me.

The graphics SUCK...but that's expected.

Hm. I think I shall look into it.

[Cisco]

The Wii graphics SUCK
The graphics SUCK...but that's expected.
Could we have some screenshots, video, or maybe just an explanation of how the graphics SUCK, and why it's to be expected?

[Least Original User Name Ever]

Could we have some screenshots, video, or maybe just an explanation of how the graphics SUCK, and why it's to be expected?

I'd expect Wii graphics to be "not great" as well.

[Cisco]

I think any "poor graphics" arguments at this point are ridiculous unless they are downright buggy or the person making the argument is too young to have ever seen anything else. The last golf game I played was Jack Nicklaus on SNES and it was a hell of a lot of fun. It never even occurred to me that the graphics must've triple-quadruple-backflip-drop-kick-bitchslap-SU-UH-UH-UH-UH-UH-UCKED. Would it really affect your experience at all if you played on 360 or PS3 and you could see what style of shoelaces Tiger was wearing?

That's just my opinion, of course. I ALWAYS thought "graphics suck" was an awful criticism, even when I was a kid and people were saying it about NES games. I can't imagine caring unless they hinder the gameplay. Now is there a cutoff? Sure, but it's way below what you would ever see in a current, mass-produced game.

[Red Barchetta]

That's just my opinion, of course. I ALWAYS thought "graphics suck" was an awful criticism, even when I was a kid and people were saying it about NES games. I can't imagine caring unless they hinder the gameplay. Now is there a cutoff? Sure, but it's way below what you would ever see in a current, mass-produced game.

Totally agreed. It's bizarre how even many reviewers seem to place a greater emphasis on a game's look than how it plays.

[critter42]

"in my day all we had was a white square and two lines...AND WE LIKED IT THAT WAY!!! Now GET OFF MY LAWN you kids!!"

[Cisco]

"in my day all we had was a white square and two lines...AND WE LIKED IT THAT WAY!!! Now GET OFF MY LAWN you kids!!"

Read my last sentence. That is explicitly not the argument I was making, nor is it even close, even in a satirical way.

[Airk]

Totally agreed. It's bizarre how even many reviewers seem to place a greater emphasis on a game's look than how it plays.

Which is a damn shame, since the two are often inversely proportional (to a point, anyway.). The more time the developers spend fiddling with how to make the guns shiney, the less time they spend trying to actually make the game FUN.

[Cubsfan]

Take a look at Tiger 10 on the 360 and then look at it on the Wii. I'm not going to link to any site because if you take .5 seconds to look at any video game site out there you will see all the screen shots and pictures you could ever wish for. There is a major difference between the 2 in both the resolution, lighting and the animation quality. In a game that is based around accurate recreations of real life locations and real life people I don't think it's a stretch to say that the better graphics are a better recreation. This is especially noticeable in games that are multiplatform like this is. Might not matter in a game like Hot Shots Golf or Mario Golf but Tiger Woods golf it does.

The graphics on the Wii truly suck. Maybe not compared to the SNES but compared to the other options currently out there they do. Notice I didn't say that GAME sucked...

[Cisco]

The graphics on the Wii truly suck. Maybe not compared to the SNES but compared to the other options currently out there they do. Notice I didn't say that GAME sucked...
I just don't get this at all. I thought Mario Galaxy was absolutely gorgeous.

[Cubsfan]

Like I said, it's all relative to what you know. If you took a SNES and put it in the hands of someone who hadn't ever seen anything beyond an Atari 2600 it's going to look amazing to them. But that SNES looks deficient compared to the systems of today. The Wii is deficient compared to other systems of today. Mario Galaxy did look great on the Wii but I promise you that if they made MG on the 360 the Wii version ain't going look as good any more.

As far as the motion plus goes it works pretty well. My wife and I played disc golf last night and it was fun enough. Not very deep bu tfun.

[Red Barchetta]

Mario Galaxy did look great on the Wii but I promise you that if they made MG on the 360 the Wii version ain't going look as good any more.

IMO, it didn't just look great for a Wii game, it looked great for a game, period. More power =/= better visuals (note I didn't say "graphics'). Mario Galaxy is, what I would consider to be, one of the best looking games this generation. Saying it could have looked better on the 360 is akin to saying anything on the 360 would look better on whatever the next generation of consoles is going to be--just because it may be true doesn't render the game any less visually impressive.

[Cubsfan]

What you are saying is applicable if we weren't comparing the same game on platforms that exist today.

Are you saying that MG wouldn't have looked better if it had been developed for the 360? Seriously? I'm not saying that MG was not impressive, I'm saying that it would have been MORE impressive on the 360. Just like I'm saying that Tiger is MORE impressive on the 360.

If MG gameplay was identical, but the graphics were 360 caliber and you were to claim that your opinion of the game wouldn't increase due to the better graphics I'd call you a liar.

Hell, Tiger 10 on Wii doesn't even looks 80% as good as Tiger 05 (06?) that came out at launch on the 360 4 years ago.

[Red Barchetta]

Are you saying that MG wouldn't have looked better if it had been developed for the 360? Seriously?

I said quite the opposite, actually. Now I'm wondering if you actually understood my post.

[Cubsfan]

More power =/= better visuals (note I didn't say "graphics').

Just WTF ARE you saying here then?

[pricciar]

Just WTF ARE you saying here then?

I am guessing =/= is some obscure (to me) shortcut to imply Not Equals. So, he is saying more power does not equate to better visuals. Even if it does equate to better graphics.

[Red Barchetta]

I am guessing =/= is some obscure (to me) shortcut to imply Not Equals. So, he is saying more power does not equate to better visuals. Even if it does equate to better graphics.

Bingo. I apologize if "=/=" wasn't clear--it's a sign used heavily around other forums I frequent, and it didn't even occur to me some people may not understand its meaning.

[ToeJam]

So... I really like the Golf game on Wii Sports.
What game should I pick up if I want to play more golf games for the Wii?

If it's equal to the Wii Golf Graphics I'll be happy. I don't have any other systems so there's no need for that. I've never really played Golf Games though for any videogame systems.
But I really did enjoy Wii Golf and still do w/ my family. (so Multiplayer would be nice)

Should i pick up Tiger 10 then? or should I get another Wii Golf game instead?

[Cisco]

Bingo. I apologize if "=/=" wasn't clear--it's a sign used heavily around other forums I frequent, and it didn't even occur to me some people may not understand its meaning.
An equals sign with a slash through it is widely known and written offline, as it is taught and fairly widely used in math class from 6th grade all the way through high school and college. Online, for some reason, I usually see an exclamation point in front of an equal sign (!=) instead to represent the same thing; I think it might be a programming term but I'm not completely sure on that.

[Red Barchetta]

So... I really like the Golf game on Wii Sports.
What game should I pick up if I want to play more golf games for the Wii?

You know, my dad just asked me that exact same question, actually! Anyway, I just got back from E3, and played the sequel to Wii Sports, called Wii Sports Resort. It has 12 games, one of which is an improved version of golf (since the game comes with Wii MotionPlus). Not only does it control better, but it has new "Resort" holes in addition to the originals. I'm not sure how many there are total, but I just wanted to throw that out there for ya.

[pricciar]

An equals sign with a slash through it is widely known and written offline, as it is taught and fairly widely used in math class from 6th grade all the way through high school and college. Online, for some reason, I usually see an exclamation point in front of an equal sign (!=) instead to represent the same thing; I think it might be a programming term but I'm not completely sure on that.

Yeah, != is a programming term used in C type languages. I had never come across Red's shortcut before.

I can see now how Red's shortcut could represent the standard mathematical symbol. But, I didn't pick up on it right away. Especially, since I am so used to !=

Back on topic:
I'm wondering. Does the motion plus enable you to play other games with tighter controls? Or does it have to be specifically programmed for?

[Red Barchetta]

Back on topic:
I'm wondering. Does the motion plus enable you to play other games with tighter controls? Or does it have to be specifically programmed for?

It only works with games programmed with it in mind, sadly.

[Cubsfan]

Yeah. It has no effect on games that weren't made for it unfortunately.

Also, != is the standard typed method of saying " does not equal". I've never seen the method you describe. It's a poor way of representing an equal sign with a line thru it. What you say makes no sense though. I'll type up a respond tomorrow when I'm not on my iPod.

[Red Barchetta]

Also, != is the standard typed method of saying " does not equal".

Define "standard," as it doesn't align with what I've seen. I imagine its a demographics thing, seeing as the sites I frequent use the symbol I use.

What you say makes no sense though. I'll type up a respond tomorrow when I'm not on my iPod.

Then you're still not understanding it.

[Sam Stone]

Cubsfan: I think the point is that resolution is not necessarily the most important factor in determining if a game is beautiful or not. Saying that higher resolution is always better is like saying that pointillism is a lesser form of painting because, well, you can see those dots.

Our modern focus on resolution as being the defining characteristic of graphical quality has led to a lot of beautiful low-res games being overlooked, and a lot of games with very high resolution, very dull graphics.