I hated hated hated Super Mario Sunshine

[MyFootsZZZ]

I was going to start a thread about a marathon going that's live on the net now for a charity of providing bedridden children with books and games. I wasn't sure on the rules on the site regarding a site dedicated to that. If you look it up yourself it shouldn't be difficult to find. Don't take my word on it's legitimacy, (though I'm pretty damn sure it is, as it's been news on a lot of gaming sites), do the research if you want to donate.

It's a Mario Marathon. If they reach a certain amount of cash, they get to, (or have to), play more Mario. I've been casually watching. I miss the side-scrolling days. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island IS a Mario game by the way... and they skipped it! I watched a good amount of Mario 64, and Galaxy. I was never a HUGE fan of Mario 64. I loved the game and got %100 when I first got it, but even then I couldn't help but look past the inevitable leap in gaming it was, and just get annoyed at many areas. I mean... seriously, getting 100 coins on ALL the levels!?

Mario 64 was NOTHING compared to SMS. I've always gotten %100 in all the Mario games I've had. Even beat Galaxy with Luigi... it was my pleasure! Despite the previous 3D Mario's, which are my least two favorite non-spin-off Mario games -- Galaxy is on the very top. My least favorite, which I didn't even bother BEATING with minimum completion is being played right now by the bunch. I'm reminded why I hated it. Weird camera limitations, frustrating water accessories that constantly need refilling, coin-collection to the MAX, all the backtracking, and to be honest... It's actually kind of ugly.

Galaxy was the last game they were going to play unless they've reached a certain goal in donations... so now they have to play SMS, which one or a few claim to be their favorite. Anyone here play it? What did you think?

[acetylene]

Huh. SMS is the Mario game my boys and I have replayed the most. We still go back to it from time to time. Then again, we loved Wind Waker too, so I guess there's no accounting for our taste!

[MyFootsZZZ]

Hey, I loved Zelda 2: The Adventures of Link and Wind Waker. I liked Super Mario Bros 2 (US) better than the first Super Mario Bros and Word, (not SMB3). Also Yoshi's Island is my 2D Mario game of choice. To each their own! :)

[Salix]

I enjoyed Super Mario Sunshine, but it had a few annoying and tedious things to do. There's one part where you're asked to kick some big durian fruits across the city into a basket, and it's hard to line up the kicks correctly and keep the durians from going in the water. Also, there's the shine that requires you to take Yoshi across the sea on a series of boats, grabbing fruit all the way so Yoshi doesn't run out of energy, and then when you finally get to the pipe that takes you to the bonus level, you have to carefully navigate a toxic river on a rapidly decaying leaf. If you run out of lives in the river area, you have to ride the boats all over again.

The most annoying thing of all, though, is that the game doesn't keep track of which blue coins you've collected and which ones you haven't, so it's a real pain if you want to collect them all. I've gotten all the stars with both Mario and Luigi in Galaxy, but I still haven't collected everything in Sunshine.

[MyFootsZZZ]

Also, there's the shine that requires you to take Yoshi across the sea on a series of boats, grabbing fruit all the way so Yoshi doesn't run out of energy, and then when you finally get to the pipe that takes you to the bonus level, you have to carefully navigate a toxic river on a rapidly decaying leaf. If you run out of lives in the river area, you have to ride the boats all over again.

*Shivers*
Yes, I THAT shine...!

Then you have to go fruit hunting all the time. It was such a 'fetch-quest' game. That, and the birth of Bowser Jr, which wouldn't be a problem if it didn't result in the near demise of Morton Koopa Jr. or any of the other Koopa Kids! :mad:

[Yookeroo]

I liked Sunshine quite a bit.

[Red Barchetta]

Mario Sunshine is a bar-none, the worst Mario game in the main series. In fact, it's a bad game, period. Marred by baffling control choices, a horrible camera (fucking 'behind the ferris wheel' bullshit), uninspired levels, boring objectives, the worst characters this side of a Rare game, and some of the most god-awful voice acting heard to mankind, the game is an insult to the Mario name.

But I'm thankful for its existence, as it seemed to serve as a sponge for all of Nintendo's bad ideas, allowing Galaxy to flourish (which is one of this generation's best games).

ETA: The game is to Mario 64 what 2010 was 2001: A Space Odyssey. An insult to its predecessor.

[Justin_Bailey]

I miss the side-scrolling days. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island IS a Mario game by the way... and they skipped it!

[annoying 12 year old]

Nuh uh! It's not a Mario game because you don't PLAY AS MARIO! Oh, and it sucks! So there!

[/annoying 12 year old]

[VanillaGorilla]

Mario Sunshine is a bar-none, the worst Mario game in the main series. In fact, it's a bad game, period. Marred by baffling control choices, a horrible camera (fucking 'behind the ferris wheel' bullshit), uninspired levels, boring objectives, the worst characters this side of a Rare game, and some of the most god-awful voice acting heard to mankind, the game is an insult to the Mario name.

Agreed. I didn't even bother to finish the game. There was just no fun.

[Jragon]

I was going to start a thread about a marathon going that's live on the net now for a charity of providing bedridden children with books and games. I wasn't sure on the rules on the site regarding a site dedicated to that. If you look it up yourself it shouldn't be difficult to find. Don't take my word on it's legitimacy, (though I'm pretty damn sure it is, as it's been news on a lot of gaming sites), do the research if you want to donate.
Was it Child's Play by the guys from Penny Arcade perhaps?

the worst characters this side of a Rare game,

What's wrong with Rare?

[Jragon]

Was it Child's Play by the guys from Penny Arcade perhaps?

Er, missed edit by a hair - I think the drive is over now, on accounts of I can't find a feed or anything anymore, so I felt it safe to say it.

[ReuvenB]

I don't think SMS is the worst game ever, but it certainly might be the worst Mario game so far. I played it to completion, had a bit of fun, and then put it down and forgot about it. On the other hand, I still break out the SNES to play Yoshi's Island. It's really just an awesome game.

[MyFootsZZZ]

[annoying 12 year old]

Nuh uh! It's not a Mario game because you don't PLAY AS MARIO! Oh, and it sucks! So there!

[/annoying 12 year old]


[annoying 12 year old]

Oh yeah!? Well... I have hair growing in places it hadn't gown before!

[/annoying 12 year old]

Er, missed edit by a hair - I think the drive is over now, on accounts of I can't find a feed or anything anymore, so I felt it safe to say it.

I think it's still on... but they seem near the end.

Red Barchetta is right, I don't even like it as a game, let alone a Mario game. Also right about the characters, those island inhabitants were just bland.

XWalrus2 I would still be playing Yoshi's Island as well but my game's save battery ran out. I don't make a habit of buying games I already have, but I wish that would be available on the Virtual Console... I could send the game in to Nintendo, but would rather save permanently. Galaxy is a game I will be playing for years too.

[Just Some Guy]

I thought Mario Sunshine was okay though I didn't like the watergun mechanic. The best stuff by far were the strange bonus levels and it was a good thing that they essentially took those as their basis for Mario Galaxy.

Oh and anyone who argues that a game that goes by "Super Mario World 2" isn't a Mario game is an idiot. Who cares if you drive Yoshi most of the time?

[MyFootsZZZ]

Oh and anyone who argues that a game that goes by "Super Mario World 2" isn't a Mario game is an idiot.

Oh SNAP! :eek:

What about the US version of Super Mario Bros. 2, originally Doki Doki Panic? Everyone complains about it being the black sheep of the Mario games, but I still think it's canon. It was just a dream anyway. It gave us Shy Guys, Ninja's, unique character abilities, and picking up and throwing items. I WISH we could see Wart come back in SOME form. After his sinister laugh at the end credits, (as if he was going to return), he has yet to reappear. Japan's been exposed to the US SMB2 when All Stars came out, so it's not as if it's a big secret.

[Jragon]

Oh SNAP! :eek:

What about the US version of Super Mario Bros. 2, originally Doki Doki Panic? Everyone complains about it being the black sheep of the Mario games, but I still think it's canon. It was just a dream anyway. It gave us Shy Guys, Ninja's, unique character abilities, and picking up and throwing items. I WISH we could see Wart come back in SOME form. After his sinister laugh at the end credits, (as if he was going to return), he has yet to reappear. Japan's been exposed to the US SMB2 when All Stars came out, so it's not as if it's a big secret.

It's more "canon" than the JP Super Mario Bros 2 game, at least Miyamoto actually, you know, worked on Panic. Not to mention you can pretty much count it by default on account of about half of the iconic modern Mario villains coming from there.

[Justin_Bailey]

Oh and anyone who argues that a game that goes by "Super Mario World 2" isn't a Mario game is an idiot. Who cares if you drive Yoshi most of the time?

Except it's not "Super Mario World 2", it's Yoshi's Island with the Super Mario World 2 tacked on the title for name recognition.

[Red Barchetta]

What's wrong with Rare?

I love old-Rare (and even some of their new stuff), but a lot of people don't care for their character designs. I actually don't mind most of them, but that didn't stop me from making the joke :)

[Red Barchetta]

Oh SNAP! :eek:

What about the US version of Super Mario Bros. 2, originally Doki Doki Panic? Everyone complains about it being the black sheep of the Mario games, but I still think it's canon. It was just a dream anyway. It gave us Shy Guys, Ninja's, unique character abilities, and picking up and throwing items. I WISH we could see Wart come back in SOME form. After his sinister laugh at the end credits, (as if he was going to return), he has yet to reappear. Japan's been exposed to the US SMB2 when All Stars came out, so it's not as if it's a big secret.

Gameplay wise, Mario 2 is a pretty significant departure from the Mario games before or since. But as you mentioned, many of the items and characters have been used in other Mario games. It was even released in Japan shortly after the US release as "Super Mario USA"--it's definitely canon, just a bit with an oddball history.

[Just Some Guy]

Except it's not "Super Mario World 2", it's Yoshi's Island with the Super Mario World 2 tacked on the title for name recognition.

Like SMB2? Yoshi's Island has more of a claim to the title than SMB2 (which I wouldn't dispute either) since it was created to be SMW's sequel.

[Trepa Mayfield]

I liked the atmosphere of SMS. I really liked the whole beach feel, and the level design in general. But! I think it was the height of cheapness to put in invisible graffiti for Blue Coins and Shine Sprites. That's completely ridiculous, in my opinion.

[AllWalker]

Sunshine was once described as the best wrestling game on the GC. You spend the game wrestling with weird camera, strange controls and a plot that makes you cringe. The ending cinematic is punishment for beating the game, really.

But I liked the game. Just spending time sliding through paint and getting all goopy is fun. I like how it built on SM64's star collecting things, where you reply the same level but with slight differences with each sprite. Everything was colourful and beachy. It was nice.

[MyFootsZZZ]

Unlike SEGA with the Sonic Franchise, it seems as though Nintendo really has a knack for keeping what works for Mario in future installments, and cutting out all the fat that no one cared about.

Even in games like Sunshine, with it's bonus levels that paved the way for a lot of Galaxy, and Mario 2 with it's handling and throwing of items; Nintendo can see what in these games worked, rather than scraping everything because it wasn't as well received as they had hoped.

AllWalker
Did you play Galaxy?

[AllWalker]

AllWalker
Did you play Galaxy?

Unfortunately, no. I've barely played any of the games on any system this generation. I'm sitting in a videogame no-man's-land where I'm too old for my parents to buy me games but too young to have the disposable income to buy my own.

[Wolverine]

For me, that was the SNES. My parents bought our family a NES, but refused to upgrade. When I finally got a job in high school, I could afford my own game system - the N64 at launch. However, there is a whole swath of SNES games that I never played that I need to download on Wii's virtual console and play for the first time.

[MyFootsZZZ]

Unfortunately, no. I've barely played any of the games on any system this generation. I'm sitting in a videogame no-man's-land where I'm too old for my parents to buy me games but too young to have the disposable income to buy my own.

I hear ya. I just made a thread about rolling coins for extra cash. Even though I'm, almost 29, sometimes my parents are goodly enough to get a game for me on a birthday or on X-mass, (if not a game then it's money... video games or money, you can't go wrong).

Just reading your post, I got the vibe that you may actually like Galaxy if you hadn't played it. When you play the same level in Galaxy, you can quite literally take different paths, and see different parts of the stage, or secret areas that you may/or may not have had access to upon your first arrival. If you were to think Sunshine remained a fresh experience because of the different objectives, I would think you would find Galaxy to be even more-so.

But life comes fist, Maybe one day you'll get a chance to play it. :)

[AllWalker]

I hear ya. I just made a thread about rolling coins for extra cash. Even though I'm, almost 29, sometimes my parents are goodly enough to get a game for me on a birthday or on X-mass, (if not a game then it's money... video games or money, you can't go wrong).

Just reading your post, I got the vibe that you may actually like Galaxy if you hadn't played it. When you play the same level in Galaxy, you can quite literally take different paths, and see different parts of the stage, or secret areas that you may/or may not have had access to upon your first arrival. If you were to think Sunshine remained a fresh experience because of the different objectives, I would think you would find Galaxy to be even more-so.

But life comes fist, Maybe one day you'll get a chance to play it. :)

Yep, that sums me up pretty much. I love the games that are more open and encourage exploration. Watching the world change around you as you work your way through it is beautiful, when done right. And the Mario series have a beautiful atmosphere - I was swooning when Mario first went 3D on the N64, where there was the early beginnings of this effect.

This time next year I should have a job and some money. Once Wiis get really cheap and I get some cash to my name, I'm going to Mario it up.

[BigT]

Like SMB2? Yoshi's Island has more of a claim to the title than SMB2 (which I wouldn't dispute either) since it was created to be SMW's sequel.

Not only that, but it uses a character introduced in SMW (which moves in almost the exact same way), as well as Mario (when you get the star). The gameplay is vastly different, but it's still Mario.

As far as I know, the use of emulators for games you already own is considered by most to be perfectly legal. The methods for copying the game into the computer are a little more dubious, however.

Oh, and Yoshi's island is also available for the GBA, and I think the portability makes the gameplay even better.