If You COULD Time-Travel . . .

[Ike Witt]

If I could time travel, you'd all be worshipping me as a god right now. :)

[mr john]

I would go back and wait for the door of the Ark to open and kill the pair of ducks,thus ending the never ending debate on time travel. Then I'd go to the late 50's to get the advantage of the vacines,wouldn't worry about the cold war,still be young enough to enjoy the 60's and early 70's,I'd be the wise old guru of the commune,enjoying all the hippy chicks. ( I can't drive by high schools any more all the girls in bell bottoms give me flash backs,I enjoy the flashes,but way hard to concentrate on drving.)

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[Ike Witt]

Mr. John,

You've raised my interest. What am I missing when you say that killing the ducks on Noah's ark will "end the never ending debate on time travel"?

[RealityChuck]

Anyone read "Hobson's Choice" by Alfred Bester?

[RickG]

"pair of ducks"..."paradox". Get it? (I got a chuckle out of that one myself.)

Rick

[pluto]

Do you mean you'd have the same relative socioeconomic class? I'm a comfortable example of a middle-class 1990s American but I doubt I'd be very comfortable in the middle class in most other times and places. If my standard of living didn't change as I moved backward in time I'd quickly move into much higher classes -- I'd outrank most kings and queens before many centuries slid by. We are sometimes forgetful of how affluent we truly are.

Assuming you mean that I'd still be lost in the masses somewhere but not in abject poverty (like most of mankind throughout most of history) I guess I'd stick pretty close to the present day. Your 1890s New York is not a bad idea. Maybe a little later so I could watch the ideas of modern physics unfold. I could publish the theory of relativity in 1904! (Well, assuming I could remember enough college physics to pull it off!!!)

If I were more adventurous there are a lot of cultures it would be exciting to experience firsthand -- Native American, ancient Greek or Roman, early European -- but I'm afraid I'd be so foreign that I'd be taken for a witch or a lunatic or something. I'd have to do a little research to find a culture renowned for its tolerance of strangers! Ooh! I've got it! How about Hawaii or Tahiti? I even have a little knowledge of a Polynesian language (Maori) so I wouldn't have to start from scratch. Hmmm -- sunny skies, blue water, beautiful wahines -- I think I could handle it!


think I'd like to live with the Plains Indians anytime before the white man invaded.

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[Satan]

I would go back to The Big Bang. It would be cosmic, and it would answer a ton of questions that have plagued humanity for as long as we've been around...

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Isn't anyone interested in going back to the Renaissance, or the court of Louis XIV? I mean, I've DONE the 1960s and '70s once, I don't need to do 'em again!

Oop, I posted that just as Pluto posted his--interesting! I hadn't thought of Hawaii, but that DOES sound good. I'll meet ya in Hana?

[Ukulele Ike]

Okay, I'll play...

Paris in the 1860s. I'd be a painter, like those three guys in TRILBY. I don't have a helluva lot of artistic talent but, aside from Little Billee, neither did they. Dally with the grisettes, party in Montmartre, fall in love with Mimi, have piano duels with Svengali.

No, wait! New Orleans, 1913! Hang out with Buddy Bolden and King Oliver, sit in with Jelly Roll MOrton's band, give sax lessons to little Lester Young, work with a teenaged Satchmo on his scales. If an ofay isn't welcome in these circles, take the boat upriver to Chicago and become Bix Beiderbecke's bootlegger.

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[BunnyGirl]

Boy, tough decision. Considering there really wasn't much of a middle class to start with until the 1500's (or later), hmmmmmmm.
Well, maybe Rome around the time of Ceasar (Julius, that is)or Augustus.
No way would I do any European country from about 100 CE to 1700-too much narrow-mindedness, disease, war, etc, etc.
India in the early 1000's might be interesting (only cause I don't know that much about it!).
Of course, with any of these at my socio-economic status, I'd probably end up having to be a prostitute or slave wench, or end up as an heretic burned at the stake. Glad to be where I am.

[BunnyGirl]

One more point, I think this is a question men have more freedom with because, as far as I know, this is the first age where women have really been seen as equals. We were just chattel before in almost all cultures.

[pluto]

And I thought I was a little "historophobic" about dropping into a strange culture!

But you're right, BG, it would be much harder for a woman to make her way. Tolerance of others is a rare phenomenon historically but equality for women? That's asking too much!

Come join Flora and me in Hawaii! I don't really know enough about their history to know if we'd truly be welcome or not. I know Captain Cook had some bad luck there, but my understanding is that was because he was willing to take advantage of their thinking he was a god, and his demise had more to do with disappointed expectations than inherent hostility. Polynesians generally treated their white visitors well -- a little too well for their own good in the long run.

I do know the Maori people of New Zealand believed in a race of fair-skinned fairies called menehune. Actually they were more pale than fair -- they had the pallor of the dead, and were not considered "good" fairies -- more like bogeymen. So there's a chance I would be mistaken for some supernatural being upon arrival which would put me on the same slippery slope as Cap'n Cook. No thanks!


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"non sunt multiplicanda entia praeter necessitatem"

[bernard]

As BunnyGirl points out, this question has a clear gender bias, and as such should be immediately closed, deleted and burned! For shame, Flora, for presenting such a question to use gentle and fragile readers! For shame!

Before this gets deleted I have not one but two answers!

1) I forgot the question, was it past only? If not then I would go to the future.

2) If past only and specifically as stated, I think I would stay where I am (what a wimp, eh?). The past is nice to study, and feel nostalgia for, but I wouldn't want to live there.

[Athena]

Flora:

Have you ever read any Edith Wharton? She writes about New York at the turn of the century... I love her books, and yeah, it'd be great to go back there. But I'd have to have money. I think being poor at any point in history would be pretty bad.

Polynesia before the white people, Ancient Greece as long as I was a prostitute ("normal" women were confined to the house - the heterae (prostitutes, loosely translated) were the independent women). Or the future. The future could be good.

There IS no future. In this question, the world's gonna blow up--otherwise, I'd stay where I am, too, I'm very happy here with my a/c and TV and window screens.

But I think I could get by in New York of the 1890-1914 period; even as a woman, I have the skills to have survived (yes, I've read Edith Wharton, the Jew-hating bitch).

Pluto, you're right about Hawaii--depending on when we landed there, and where, it was NOT always a peaceful paradise. Hmmm, maybe I'll join my other boyfriend, Ike, in New Orleans? I could run a brothel for his jazz friends.

Yes, the world was often an unfriendly place for women--but many women (the more clever, rich or pretty ones) did manage to squeak their way around the rules. And I know all my Straight Dope sisters are either clever, rich or pretty!

[bernard]

Oh right ... planet blowing up ... hmmm ... that could be bad.

I would choose feudal Japan, except I am not Japanese, so that could be a little suicidal.

I guess I would take somewhere in Great Britain circa 1400 AD. With my martial arts skills I could easily become a weapons instructor or military officer. Not a bad job (not as dangerous as in fuedal Japan either), with a considerable amount of respect attached to it.

[Rodd Hill]

Pah!

We'd all die of the plague, or smallpox, or be ritually disembowelled as heretics, or rot in prison for asking smartass questions of authority, or branded as lunatics for suggesting that voices come out of the ether into the little box on our hip.

I'd last about 15 minutes in mediaeval London before wondering how long it was going to be until someone invented sanitation, and why the hell no-one's gone to discover coffee yet.

[Ukulele Ike]

Flora,
Why not crank it up a few years to the NYC of the 1920s? You'd have the vote, there'd be women's job opportunities galore in the boom economy (heck, you could help Harold Ross start THE NEW YORKER!), those short frocks look more comfortable than whalebone corsets, you could live in the Village and practice free love!

On the other hand, I'd be DELIGHTED to have your company in pre-Prohibition New Orleans/Chicago...stick wit' me, dollin' an' I'll covah yuh wit' jools.

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Uke

The '20s? Feh! Give me those long elegant Gibson Girl skirts, waltzes, art nouveau "skyscrapers" of ten stories--you can have your modern flappers and bobbed hair and that Rudolph Valentino!

However, by 1910 I'd be in my 60s--too old to move to The Big Easy and open that bordello?

Rodd, of course you're right, we'd all go nuts or get ourselves killed posthaste. "It's just a show, you should really just relax."

[Rodd Hill]

I was more or less kidding, Flora. As a professional historian I have always railed at the lack of insight (and rose-coloured goggle-wearing) that most people have about the past. Probably the result of 16 years of 10-year old kids asking "Ummmmm if like, Hitler, you know, were alive, and he had like, a ray gun, ummmm, would he, y'know, like win?"

There is a great book/movie waiting to be made about time travel, but it should focus on the incredible preparation and research anyone would have to do in order to i) be personally safe; and ii) not change history. Currency, language, the right kind of clothes, made of the right materials, with the right colour dyes, etc. There was a British TV series called "Goodnight Sweetheart" about a man who could go back to wartime London at will. It had some neat premises, as he goes to great length to avoid places he knows will be bombed, gets proper wartime ID papers, etc.

If I had to go back? I'd stay right here in Victoria, B.C., but go back to about 1950, when this place was a sleeply little town, with great weather, billions of fat salmon to be fished, and still with most of the benefits of 20th-century gracious living (plumbing, telephone, auto).

[phouka]

Minoan Crete about . . . um 2,000 BCE.

Indoor plumbing, Goddess worshipping culture, no evidence of military fortification, but lots and lots of merchant class activity.

I'd be pretty happy painting pictures of young girls leaping over bulls and joining in on all the fertility rites.

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"Knowing others is wisdom. Knowing yourself is enlightenment." - Lao-tzu, Chinese philosopher

[Keeves]

Everyone who is taking this board seriously to any degree at all, I recommend reading A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court by Mark Twain. The book, not any of the stupid movie versions. And not any wimpy sci-fi book either (except maybe Replay).

No, go for the original, by a master of the English language.

[mr john]

Plague? you don't need that,just prick your finger. That's why i picked post WW2 antibiotics. Somebody throw a bucket of cold water on papa.Sheeshe.Chat rooms, two clicks over and up one.

[Chad E.]

I dunno, I'm not much of a history buff, but I think I'd prolly bring a laptop back with me to circa 1950 and sell it off to the government or some corporation and then invest in some stocks that I know will go up and just live off of the dividends.

[Fretful Porpentine]

London circa 1600 -- and I'd spend ALL my time at the theater.

[pluto]

IIRC, I read on another thread that PapaBear works with "difficult" students. My guess is that his computer has been hijacked.


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[Sassy]

note the "." at the end of PapaBear -- someone is playing games and should be taken out quickly.

[Buck Naked]

I'd go back to tomorrow and bet everything I had on the four-horse.

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I feel more like I do now than I did when I got here.

[Buck Naked]

uh...I meant yesterday...whew...man...somebody get me ut of here

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I feel more like I do now than I did when I got here.

[sunbear]

I would go to the late 1700s. I'd be a shoemaker and amaterur musician, strings not winds or keyboards(too expensive). I'd read Voltaire in the first edition.I'd show up after the palgue but before the industrial revolution. I would be a Deist.

[Lumpy]

Does the O.P. mean I would be automatically fit into the past society I chose- I'd speak the language, know the customs, etc? If I was thrown as I am now into the past anywhere but the U.S. within the last century, I would be up the creek.

[sunbear]

But that would take all the fun out of it. Well, I suppose you'd have to fit in well enough so as not to be burned as a witch.

[According to Pliny]

Uh, Just want to let everyone know, that's not me.

I think I'd have to go with 14th century Hawaii. If I retained my 20th century knowledge of celestial navigation and geography, I could undertake a voyage to California and claim it as part of a Polynesian Empire that might be able to stand up to the Spaniards when they finally showed up a couple hundred years later.

[ruadh]

I would go to colonial America, just before the revolution (which hopefully I'd live through).

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Never regret what seemed like a good idea at the time.

[C K Dexter Haven]

The poster who used the name "PapaBear." (note the period) has been dealt with. The posts were in violation of a number of the rules (like vulgarity and impersonation and harrassment and ... oh, you name it.) The posts have been deleted, an e-mail was sent to the poster advising of same, and he/she has been banned from the boards.

Us moderators are only human. When you see something like that, please call it to our attention via e-mail, and we can take quick action. PapaBear, thanks for doing so.

It's also a good idea to copy several Moderators or Administrators on the e-mail -- we're not online 24/7, not by any means, and we can't watch everywhere at once.

We may have disagreements about the various shades of grey, but there IS black and white. We're all in this together, in wanting to have boards that are fun, educational, and enjoyable... and your help is appreciated in the moderating process.

[Kat]

Either late 1800's USA or late 1500's-early 1600's England.

[dougie_monty]

There must be a lot of people who wish they could travel back in time to 1865 and keep Lincoln from being assassinated. The problem is, if you did this, you could never have thought about doing it...
I think Cecil touched upon this.

[Czarcasm]

I think I would go back a couple thousand years, and if I DID find you-know-who on the cross, I would let him down, tend his wounds, let him know what kind of chaos and destruction has been done in his name, and let him go. Maybe averting the dark ages, the inquisition, and the plague would be worth it.

OK, forget physics and all that stuff. Let's say the world is gonna blow up and you HAVE to go back to another time and place. Where would you go, and to what era? Think Jack Finney here.

Things to consider: when you got there, you'd be the same sex, age, race and socio-economic status you are now.

Me, I think I'd head for New York around 1890. I love the clothes, theater, music and architecture of the time, and as a well-educated, middle-aged white woman, I could still earn a living, precarious though it might be. And, I'd probably die before things started to go to hell in the 1920s . . .

So, how's about y'all?

[Stevie Rave On]

I'd go back to the late 1960's. I am only 23 now, and most of the music I listen to is classic rock. I would have loved to have been around when Led Zeppelin, the Beatles, etc. were still playing. Then, in the 70's I could move to Austin, TX, and check out Stevie Ray Vaughan, who is my alltime favorite.

Also, I play guitar, and I've always liked the scene in Back to the Future where Marty plays Johnny B. Goode before its released. Imagine the possibilities of knowing how to play so many classic songs before they are recorded. I would be sure to become famous. (Interesting sidenote about that scene in BTTF, Michael J. Fox plays guitar in real life, and that is really him playing throughout that whole sequence. Not Bad)_

[Eddie Gosik]

This morning at breakfast, I put instant coffee in the microwave...and went back in time!

[Hazel]

Slythe, why not go back a little farther, get the guy alone, and have a little talk with him? See if you can't get him to choose some female disciples, some openly gay disciples, some disciple couples who are living together without benefit of matrimony. Persuade him to make some statements that will produce a better religion, such as "sex is NOT dirty," "women are NOT inferior," "people are entitled to have other religions, or none," "hey, you can't go on multiplying forever," and maybe even, "be kind to the chimps; they're your cousins."

[the first supraliminal]

For Christ's sake, Slythe, will you stop your Christian bashing! :D

As if our history would have been a utopia if Christ didn't exist. It's human nature to fight. If Christ didn't show up, there are still many more reasons to kill each other, like greed and money. (As if that weren't the reason to kill in Christ's name in the first place.)

No, go for the original, by a master of the English language--Keeves

Mark Twain? I'd put my bets on Charles Dickens, though.


As for the OP, isn't it obvious? I'd go back to the 1950's or 60's with a sports almanac in my hand. I'd make a killing on sports bets.

It doesn't matter where you are or who you are, it only matters how much money you have.

I was always curious. If one went back in time and bet a large sum of money on sports events, wouldn't that have repurcussions on future events, including future sport events?

I think I'll start a new topic on this.



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[the first supraliminal]

On second thought, it's not really worth a new topic. It just deserves a statement.

The topic would have been: Time travel, sports betting, and chaos theory.

Consider in the movie Back to the Future II where Biff goes back in time with a sports almanac and makes a fortune.

I don't believe this is possible (even hypothetically). Chaos theory shows that relatively insignificant events have large repurcussions in the future. Maybe Biff could have made some money on one or two sports bets, but in the long run, his actions would cause all history to become skewed, including sports events, thereby altering the "predictions" in his almanac.

Since sports is somewhat tied to politics, and politics is very closely tied to economics, a relatively small change in the economic balance would undoubtably have some effect on sports events. Just a thought...





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[Czarcasm]

Beeruser, I'm afraid that chaos theory wouldn't be effected in that way in such a short period of time. The kinds of effects you describe would take a minimum of thousands of years, by which time Biff would have gotten away with it, and died a happy man. Time may heal all wounds, but the healing process is damn slow.

[bernard]

Also it is possible that his sports almanac would alter itself to be consistent with the new future since it was the future.

[C K Dexter Haven]

Agreed, bernard. In Back to the Future, the photos altered themselves to reflect what had happened in the future; similarly, at the end of BttF 3, the "You're Fired" paper erased itself to be clear. So why wouldn't the Almanach also have adapted itself?

[typertrphy]

I have to assume that the original question allowed for one to "blend". You would appear in your chosen era, with proper language and cultural abilities, but with your late 20th Century mind intact ( such as it may be..).
I have read all of the responses, and I would probably have chosen North America, 1500 years ago. Fairly good homeopathy, lack of the type of plagues that....uh..plagued Europe, lovely lands, and yes- war, etc. But.... I think I would love to be here at that time. :)
Typer

[Kinross]

I would go back to the Roman Empire with a stack of science books, preach science, end ignorance, and put Cecil out of a job.

[Olentzero]

Me? I'd head back to St. Petersburg, say about 1914, just before the outbreak of the Great War. The only thing I'd really want to do to change history from there is make sure that Georgian ratbastard Dzhugashvili stayed out of the picture :)
Be a helluva time to live through, that's for sure!

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[eggo]

well i would first find out what was going to end the world, and go back to before it started and warn everyone. maybe even stop it and be hero of the world. women would dig a man who saved the world right?

eggo

[Sonic]

Well, I know the one place I wouldn't go would be Salem Mass in the 1600's. I'd be a young white woman with 4 cats, eyes that occasionally change color, into tarot cards, astrology, and candle magik. They'd hang me in a second. Although it would be pretty fun too- I could scare the hell out of all of them with a good surround sound system and a sound effects CD. (Heh heh heh....)

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[According to Pliny]

Olentzero - Don't go to St. Petersburg! Uncle Joe was in Siberia in 1914. From there, I think the Trans-Siberian railway has a connection to the Orient express. There's a little fellow in Munich you might want to also "remove from the picture".

[the first supraliminal]

Agreed, bernard. In Back to the Future, the photos altered themselves to reflect what had happened in the future; similarly, at the end of BttF 3, the "You're Fired" paper erased itself to be clear. So why wouldn't the Almanach also have adapted itself?CDdexthavn

When I read your posts, I agreed with you guys, and decided to let it go. But now I feel duped.

It occurred to me while I was riding the bus one day. Yes, the almanac would change. But it would change after the event!

The "You're Fired" paper erased after the actions of preventing it took place. In the same way, the almanac would change after the sports events were altered through chaos.

Aw, hell, the movie itself was so illogical anyway.

But I still feel duped.



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[AWB]

I'd travel to Tahiti about 100 years before Europeans discovered it. The HMS Bounty's crew had a fun time there, but they messed it up for anyone else.

[gary horaczek]

I'd go to New York New York circa 1960. Where do I begin? The mass exodus had begun but it was still the media capitol(TV,radio,music, newspapers etc.).Broadway was in its last gasp before it went into a lull(West Side Story,Camelot for examples). You can go out to the clubs and see the greats (Rat Pack, Bob Dylan, Lenny Bruce for starters).

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[tracer]

I'd go back to 1979 and convince my younger self to tell Diana Milbert he had a huge crush on her.

I'm still kicking myself over not taking that particular emotional risk when I had the chance.

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I'm not flying fast, just orbiting low.

[No Me Ayudes Compadre]

Can I go more than one place? I'd like to go back in time and see for myself whether certain "historical" events really took place or are just allegory whose meaning has been lost in religious fervor: The events of Adam, Noah, Shem, etc.; God's revelation to Abraham; the giant Nephilim; Mohammed moving a mountain; the physical presence on Earth of a resurrected Jesus; the exodus of Nephites to the new world; to name a few.

Also I'd like to see historical Atlantis, if it ever existed. And it'd be cool to see ancient Egypt in action.

[bernard]

CK: You are correct (within the hypothetical context of the movie which as you pointed out wasn't necessarily logical to begin with). So continuing to use BttF2 as a basis. As long as the events that caused the alteration of the sports event took place prior to your betting you would be okay. So granted, you would lose some bets because of events transpiring between your bet and the end of the race, but I bet you would still win a ton of them if you waited to the last moment to place a bet.

[barton]

Well...

I'd go back to September 1970 and prevent Jimi Hendrix from choking on his own vomit (probably boiling down to reminding the medics to not strap him down while he's trying to breath...)

Hopefully, this would completely revitalize '70's rock and jazz, lead to a Miles/Jimi collaboration, and prevent the worst of disco and rap. Also, we wouldn't have all these shameless digitized re-releases.

Ahem.

[omniscientnot]

Nov. 22, 1963: I'd try to point Zapruder's camera in the right direction(s).

Circa 25-30 A.D.: "on tour" the last two weeks before the Big Event, to hear what he really preached to the masses. The day of the Big Event itself to see how he coped, what his thoughts were as the final hour was approaching. Three days later, just to see.

Circa 4,000,000,000 B.C.: To see how it really all began...the "primordial ooze".

Circa 2050 A.D.: To see how the pace of progress in the first fifty years of the 21st century compared with that in the last 50 years of the previous one.

???? A.D.: The day the Earth died.

[heatherlee]

as stupid as this might sound I would go forward only about 2 years. By then I would be with my baby. and I would know things were going to work out.

First of all, I love the OP. "Forget physics and all that stuff." :)

Ok, I'm totally surprised that more people don't want to go see Biblical personalities, or the great minds/artists of history.

Wouldn't any of you want to sit and chat with Plato, Da Vinci, Gallileo, Frued, Einstein...etc...etc?? Or how about watching Michealangelo, or Mozart in action.

You all know who I want to see. I've often dreamed of sitting on a hillside watching Jesus speak to the crowds. Ahhh, to see Him. It gives me goosebumps just thinking about it. :) Wouldn't some of you non-religious folks want to see Jesus, just to see what all the fuss is about? (A few of you have mentioned it, but I'm surprised that more haven't)

1960's? Nah, you guys go ahead. I want to see the good stuff.

Adam

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"Life is hard...but God is good"

[Brother Haus]

If I could travel back in time, I would wisk myself away to the period where the European settlers decided to come to North America. I would then proceed to stop them from destroying the people who already lived here. =Only if it were possible=

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"What it is, is what it is. And what it should be is a lie someone gave to the people a long time ago." No one said it better then Lenny Bruce.

Well, yes, Arg, I would be curious to see how Christianity really started--but in my scenerio, you have to find a time to LIVE in for the rest of your life, which is why I chose New York about 100 years ago. The Middle East in the year 0 does NOT strike me as a place I'd like to hang out (I don't know how weisenheimer dames were treated back then, but I'll bet not so good!).

Glad you liked my OP!

[PunditLisa]

I'd have to stay in the post-antibiotics era. The thought of losing my children to a disease which I am completely helpless to combat would supercede any appeal of a "simpler" life.

[tracer]

ARG220 wrote:

Wouldn't some of you non-religious folks want to see Jesus, just to see what all the fuss is about?

Problem is, if I travelled back to Jesus' time, I don't think I'd actually see Jesus. I'd see this guy named Paul running around yakking about a supernatural being named Jesus that fit within the 2nd or 3rd layer of supernatural beings in the standard Platonic divinity model. Forty years later, I'd see this evolve into a myth about how this Jesus fellow once walked among us in the flesh, and an attempt to link it to Jewish messianic prophecy via these stories called the "gospels" -- which, ironically, would go out of their way to paint those same Jews in a bad light.

So I think I'd rather go back and chat with Thomas Edison instead.

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[PunditLisa]

I'd see this guy named Paul running around yakking about a supernatural being named Jesus that fit within the 2nd or 3rd layer of supernatural beings in the standard Platonic divinity model.

Actually, I believe there's empirical evidence that a man named Jesus DID exist during that time. There's also historical evidence that he was crucified. Whether or not you believe he's the son of God is, of course, completely up to you.

Even if you were in Israel in the year 0, I wonder how easy it would be to book time with him, or even track him down? No phone! No lights! No motorcar! Not a single luxury! It's not like you could call him up and arrange to meet him after work for drinks . . .

[Polycarp]

I would stay right here. I've lived since 1948, and read extensively on what life was like at various times in the past. I've found the door into summer, and I'm staying where the weather suits my clothes.....

[ellis555]

how 'bout muslim spain in the 1300's. seems like a pretty enlightened time period (from what i've read [bio on ibn tufayl] they tolerated other religions, were big into philosophy, and centuries ahead of europe in the sciences), and it has a nice climate.

so...decent life span, and fun in the sun.

ellis

[tracer]

PunditLisa wrote:

Actually, I believe there's empirical evidence that a man named Jesus DID exist during that time. There's also historical evidence that he was crucified.

If you're talking about the histories written by Josephus, there is also empirical evidence that the story of Jesus was slipped into one of Josephus's texts by one of his scribes, and that Josephus didn't catch this little addition in the final edit.

I've always wanted to see Moses (or rather, God) part the Red Sea, but not the jello version. :)

Realm505: While you're there, knock that apple out of Eve's mouth before she takes a bite! (j/k)

[Polycarp]

I'm just curious as to what GOD and Satan might post to this topic! :)