Troll List

[kellibelli]

Kilroy
Fucking Bone Head
Palidork
Brithael
Banshee


Is there more?

[andros]

Unless you want to start listing Trolls Emeritus.

Now there's a scary thought.

-andros-

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There's always a bigger fish.

[UncleBeer]

I don't know. Kryptonite seems like he might be a candidate for residency under the bridge.

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One complete set of morals for sale to highest bidder, new in box.

[Lioness]

Well, lets see.

There's ,, oh never mind everyonows what I think of HIM.

Oh, I know , there's . Nope don't want to be accused of child abuse.

Hmmm, well since I think someone has called me a troll recently, how about Lio...., wait just a damn minute here, never mind.

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Lioness

I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's really hard to pronounce.
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[Lioness]

pardon me, everyone knows.

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Lioness

I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's really hard to pronounce.
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[okatym]

kilroy--
Uhhh, What?

[WallyM7]

Okatym, I was going to say that.

Now I have to post something else.

Kilroy--

Huh?

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If you're an optimist, you haven't been paying attention.

[Gr8Kat]

Kilroy, just your little stunt with the <><><>*** thing that messed up the page is enough to get you labeled a troll.

Yuck.

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"I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it," Jack Handy

[Palidors]

Palidork? How original... If you are going to try and insult me why not at least do it correctly?

[WallyM7]

Brithael, my old friend. It is you!

Kelli was right!

Palidor/Brithael, what would it take for you to stop posting here?

Name your price.

Whatever it is, we'll pay.

Fortunately for us, you can't grasp a number higher than four.


Our concern is whether you'll hold us up for four nickles or four dimes.

This is where I can help, Brithael/Palidor.

You see, the nickles are bigger, so.....


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If you're an optimist, you haven't been paying attention.

[Lioness]

oh Kilroy..... come out and playyyyyy

Kidroy, you have messed up big time. You really don't want to try to take on Kelli, I promise you don't.

Now go get your jammmies on and go night-night befor Kelli is forced to hurt you. Or I am forced to hunt you.

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Lioness

I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's really hard to pronounce.
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[WallyM7]

Yikes!

[WallyM7]

Kilroy, I don't have a lot of money in the bank, but I would gladly give all I have for the opportunity to slap your ugly, stupid face.

Kelli has more brains in her little finger than you have in your whole body.

You took a shot a someone I admire, and now, whenever you post, I'm going to be there.

Yeah, yeah, it doesn't scare you.

See you soon, cockroach.


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If you're an optimist, you haven't been paying attention.

[Lioness]

Now, now Wally.

Remember dear, Kidroy is just a babe
albeit a stupid one.

I'm sure Kelli will just weep buckets over what Kidroy said to her. Yeah right sure she will , just like I did at Mr. Rogers attempted flame of me. MAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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Lioness

I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's really hard to pronounce.
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[WallyM7]

I know. You're right, Lioness.

But still..

Hey, we did have some fun yanking C#3's chain, though.


Hope your hubby understood.

What am I saying? Of course he did.

I read his post. He is one cool dood.

Love ya.



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If you're an optimist, you haven't been paying attention.

[Lioness]

Wally,
Yes, The LION is an ok guy, think I'll keep him, I have for too many years now to start over anyway. And he knows he can trust me, I talk a good game, but HE is it for me, RRRROOOOAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR meow, meow.

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Lioness

I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's really hard to pronounce.
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[Byzantine]

Kilroy spewed: now this go to "ms." kellibelli

Now this go? Where wolf? There wolf! Why are you talking this way? Because you don't know how to type and think at the same time!

Don't dispar, hon, I understand that Ford had the same problem only it was while walking and chewing bubble gum. Perhaps you should take the bubble gum off your fingers and try again.

Do your fingers still stick to the keys? Then I would suggest you stop boxing the clown whilst posting here. We do not like morons. We hunt them down and beat them with our words. We will DESTROY you. Don't believe it? Keep posting. You will just prove to us and everyone else that you can't put your brain in gear before engaging your fingers on the keyboard.


Palidors shared from the very depth of his second grade education: Palidork? How original... If you are going to try and insult me why not at least do it correctly?

I found it rather apropos. You are a dork. Dork: deriving from dorbel, a sixteenth-century term for a dunce or oaf. It is also a euphemism for the penis. See also ding-dong, prick and loser.

How does the above definition NOT fit you? How about dense? Blighter? Blatherskite? I don't think there is one single person here who likes an idiot.

Dura lex sed lex

And the law here is that trolls will get their sorry butts kicked. Good luck on any feeble attempt you make to flame me back!

[Lioness]

Oh, yes, please any of you trolls, please do try to flame Byz. I haven't seen a really good troll massacre in ages. So come on kidroy, pallydoors, please do step right up and give her your best shot.


I am sooooo lucky. I would pay to see this and yet I can watch for free. I must be living right.

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Lioness

I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's really hard to pronounce.
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[ChiefScott]

Eh, hem.....

valenta8.

(Look ma! No flirting!)

[Byzantine]

Oh sweet Jesus! I fall to the floor and thank all that is sweet and holy! Thank you, even if that is all you ever post again! I don't need you to tell me that you liked my above slams (well, yeah, I do, but I understand that you can't) but if you want me to hunt down this valenta8 bitch I will. Is that a "good to go?" Chief? No more flirting, I swear! If you will just come back I won't ever, EVER, even under pain of death, flirt with you again. I promise!

[kellibelli]

Wow! Good morning to all!

i dunt wanna be a gud gurl no moore...
Look at me! I am a troll!

Puh-Leeze.

I would like to thank my friends for the support. ;)

Good to see you Scott.

[Czarcasm]

Noooooo!
Quick, somebody rub Kelli's Belli and convince her not to troll. :)

[Sealemon88]

Got no flame here, just wanna give a shout out to Scott.

How's it going, mon? Good to see you.

Well, it looks to me like all the trolls I've seen have been listed, except for some twit called "TheMagician", or something. As far as I know, he only posted once, which places him at least two rungs higher on the food chain than the rest of the crusty, slimy little trolls listed here.

O.K., back to the flaming. < Sits back and watches, eating popcorn >

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You say "cheesy" like that's a BAD thing.

[Byzantine]

Sealemon88: sugar if you have spotted another troll, than please, don't just sit back and munch popcorn. We (I) want the EXACT name. Want us to go get? Tell us. We (I) can't read everything. If you have a heads up then, please, do tell!

[Sealemon88]

Byzantine: It looks like he's laying low. The two posts that TheMagician made were on 9-9-99.

He regestered on the same day, and shared his wit and wisdom with us all...

""Oh PUH-FUCKIN-LEEZE people...get a friggin' LIFE!!!!""

He then followed this up later in the day, on the same thread, with

"At the risk of being redundant..."Oh PUH-FUCKIN-LEEZE people...get a friggin' LIFE!!!!""

Now I originally thought he was my new sensei, until I realized that he had placed his pithy remark in quotes, suggesting that he was actually quoting his "get a life" remark.

Well, that just blew all the respect I had for him out of the water.

I just checked his profile, and he hasn't posted since, unless it's under a different name.

I'm still working on getting my links to function in the MB, so if you're interested, the name of the topic was I'm going to ignore your documented evidence and expertise in favor of my own WAG, and it was posted right here in the Pit on 8-11.

I'll letcha know if I find any live ones.

Y'all be cool.

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You say "cheesy" like that's a BAD thing.

[tracer]

Kilroy wrote:

The subject of me being a troll was brought to my attentiion, now this go to "ms." kellibelli, i am not in the definition of the word "troll", what you speak of.

Mecha-Gojira is biggest battle of Rodan and Ghidora! Seeing destruction of Tokyo! No man will survive this fighting! Gojira is dishonorable to dirt!

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[Gr8Kat]

Kilroy said:The subject of me being a troll was brought to my attentiion, now this go to "ms." kellibelli, i am not in the definition of the word "troll", what you speak of. Now you on the other hand are a troll. So next time when you speak of a troll, think of your self.

Using Babelfish, this was translated from English to French to English:

The subject of me being a troll was brought to my attentiion, maintaining this go " Mrs.. "
kellibelli, I am not in the definition of the word " troll ", of what you speak.

That's a little better. Then that was translated from English to German to English:

The topic from me being troll was gotten to mine attentiion and maintained this, to go "
Mrs. " kellibelli, I is not in the definition of the word " troll ", of, which you speak.

That's much better. Then that was translated from English to Italian to English:

The subject from me that they are troll has been obtained to the attentiion of the mine
and has carried out this, in order to go " sig.ra " the kellibelli, is not in the definition of the
word " troll ", of, that speeches.

Perfect! Still doesn't make any sense, but is more fun to read :)

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"I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it," Jack Handy

Nobody listed ME as a troll!

My feelings are hurt!
WAAAAAHHHH!! BOOOOO_HOOOOO! :(


My nomination for Troll of the Year is- Nanobite

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We have met the enemy, and He is Us.--Walt Kelly

[Lioness]

Hell Daniel,
I had to almost list myself. Mom told me not to listen to those darn Ken dolls.

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Lioness

I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's really hard to pronounce.
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[Satan]

kellibelli said:

i dunt wanna be a gud gurl no moore...
Look at me! I am a troll!

So nothing's going to change then?

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Yer pal,
Satan

[Kat]

Hey, no fair! Gr8Kat's using my shtick!

Although, there should have been an "English to German to English to Italian to English to Portuguese to English to Spanish to English to French to English" in there, which I'll take care of now:
The subject which comes from the troll obtained to me to the attentiion of the mine, hour this goes " massive spectrography ", of kellibelli, is not in the definition of the word " troll ", which them speech. Hour you are different troll of the piece. In order to them thus think of the mark which follows, if speech of troll.


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"It's bacon!!"

[Gr8Kat]

Sorry, Kat, I didn't realize the schtick belonged to anyone in particular :( Hope that didn't make me a troll :(

Yours was way funnier than mine anyway :)



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"I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it," Jack Handy

[moriah]

Well, if we're lynching trolls, how about someone, perhaps the Great Troll Hunter himself, list the names of the loverock perpetrators and let mob justice begin!

[Kat]

Gr9Kat, naw, otherwise someone would've added you to the list. ;)

[UncleBeer]

Time to bring this back to the top.

Troll List - Rev. A (revised 9/29/99)
1) Added GuanYu (AKA guano-on-yu).
End Revisions.

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One complete set of morals for sale to highest bidder, new in box.

I tried to be nice...

Palidwhore? You want us to come up with new things to call you? What are you, a fuckin' masochist?

All right then, you dim-witted little jackass, I'll tell you what I really think. You, my friend, are a fucking prostitute. You suck goats sideways for nickels to buy crack. You should be handed over to NAMBLA. They would be interested, since you have the mind, if not the body, of a 12 year old. They should gang-bang you until something gives and you die of peritoneal rupture. Then I will rip out your heart, put it in a box, and give it to your mother. I imagine she will be so grateful that she will screw me your coffin.

Do you feel better now? Does that give you your daily fix of attention?

Eat shit and die, bitch.
(Was that over the line?)

--John

Oops-- Screw me ON your coffin.

(weirdest correction I ever had to make)

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The Ai\ Yue- Ha\n FAQ:
1) Eye You-way Han
2) It's Chinese.
3) The symbols are tone marks.
4) No, I wasn't drunk when I registered.
5) Just call me John, OK?

[WallyM7]

Nope.




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Millions long for immortality, yet don't know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon.

Wally, you- aw, geez they're all looking at me here. They wanna know why I'm laughing. Aw geez, man. That's just the simplest, best joke I've heard all day. "Nope."
LOL.

This is why I come here.

[WallyM7]

Well, thanx, John.

I wrote it myself.

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Millions long for immortality, yet don't know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon.

[Louie]

I think we got a new troll, and that person is...

Shpaiers

Proof, check out the "All you Algebra People! I need Help!" thread in General Questions.

[Alphagene]

Aw, ya beat me to it Louie.

Although, I'd be surprised if we heard much more from him. Once he learns this isn't AOL Homework Help I'm hoping he'll move on.

Has Shpaiers been exhibiting further trollish behavior? I tried to warn him before it was too late. *sigh* Kids today.

--John

[Shpaiers]

I'm sorry guys.
I'm sorry for all my obnoxious behavior on the Message board. I'll just stick to my juvenile 1st player shooter games. I'm really sorry for all stress that has been caused.

I'm sorry WallyM7 and John. Please don't label all kids as brats because of my messages.

I'll make sure not to bug any of you. I'll read up on the FAQs and "lurk" as many of you suggested.

Lurk and learn right guys?

Well, I'm very sorry.

Shpaiers

For another example of the maturity Shpaiers has developed, check the end of the Algebra thread. He has failed the acid test for trolls-- he listens to reason.

Once he gets things down, I bet he makes a great contributor. If the others on the list acted like this, the board would be a happier place.

By the way, I seem to have built up the idea in my posts, without really trying, that I am an adult of some kind. In the interest of total disclosure: I'm 16.

I sometimes refer to people as "my young friend". It's a habit I've developed in conversation, but it seems deceptive to use it here. I'm trying to quit. Sorry all.

(Is it just me are do all these pit threads end in reconciliation these days?)

[Ayesha]

Ummm, John,
Are you actually 16 ? I'd like to meet your parents and shake thier hands, They have done a great job on you !!

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Ayesha - Lioness
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I'm out of my mind, but,
feel free to leave a message

[The LION]

I think that 1420Vel.GN needs to be added to the list.
If he is not a troll he is a troll in training.
t lion

[bj0rn]

DARN!!! (look at me, i used capital letters :))
its been ages since ive been here in the bbq pit and this thread looked like one on fire...so i troubled myself with reading it and...no one is arguing! isnt that a bit silly?? since its the bbq pit and all.
i could see that you were trying to get a few people to troll around abit, but they havent shown up yet...thats a tragedy all right, one i hope they will understand and stop hiding in em small corners where trolls dont fit...somebody said "come out, come out...whereever you are!" but that was in like a hunter meaning...we are the prey and you are the hunters...show us your claws and lets see what happens...

bj0rn

[UncleBeer]

bjOrn, just what the hell are you talking about?

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"The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind." - Humphrey Bogart

[krish]

Wow, it's been a while.
To get a better understanding of bj0rn, visit-

http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000084.html
http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000098.html
http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000089.html

Let's not forget his debut-
http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000038.html

[UncleBeer]

Krish, thanks for the links, I forgot what a clown bjOrn was. I couldn't quite bring myself to wade through all that tripe; just enough to bring back the horrible memories.

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"The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind." - Humphrey Bogart

[kellibelli]

Was that his debut?

I joined right around then, and I followed that thread...I thought he had been around for a while.

Whatever happened to Guy Propski?

[Mullinator]

RE: Bj0rn and his postings.
Krish, thanks for the links, most enlightening.
This makes me think of the 1000 monkeys/1000 years would eventually type Shakespeare thing. Unfortunately, this is a little more along the lines of 5 blind monkeys, 1 week, and a typewriter with punctuation keys.

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It's not bragging if you can do it - Satchel Paige

[bj0rn]

hehehe, yeah...thanks for good memories...
unclebeer...somehow reminds me of papabear...hehehehe ;)

and i belive you are mistaken...no matter from what angle you look at it

[UncleBeer]

bjOrn, are you referring to me when you say, "i belive you are mistaken...?" Again, what the hell are you talking about?

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"The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind." - Humphrey Bogart

[Mullinator]

And of course, if you look at my post above, that would be NO punctuation keys. Looks like it is time for me lock myself in a room and lick my wounds over that error.

[bj0rn]

i see that i was indeed right...you couldnt understand what i was saying, therefore not fully aware of the message you related in your earlier posting..so yet again you are mistaken

bj0rn

[Mullinator]

Bj0rn wroteyou couldnt understand what i was saying
That is the one thing bj0rn has typed that any of us can understand. Thank you for that one line of clarity. Please quit while you are ahead, or at least before I have to rip my own arm off so I can beat myself senseless the next time I try to figure out what the heck you mean.

[bj0rn]

ahh...its good to be back :)

bj0rn

[UncleBeer]

Actually bjOrn, I'm kinda enjoying it too, on some perverse level. Please don't take this as encouragement though; it's liable to become tiresome at any time.

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"The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind." - Humphrey Bogart

[bj0rn]

hell...you mentioned perversion...thats your imagination flying around, i dont want to have anything to do with that one...thank you very much.

do try to take this in as an enjoyable experiance...everything else is just plain boring...

bj0rn

[kellibelli]

(places hands on the sides of her head)

"Ooooooo the room is spinning!"

[krish]

Kellibelli,
I am almost certain that Bj0rn debuted on that thread since his first post on it was during the same day that he registered his user name.
Apparently, Hoe and Thorleifur were having difficulty proving that their was intelligent life in Iceland (i.e. they couldn't even understand PapaBear's obvious parody of Thorleifur's threads), so they recruited someone who could barely speak English to further weaken their point.
The other theory is that Bj0rn is just some Straightdoper mocking both Thorleifur and Hoe. If you read his first post in this thread, I think that he is implying that he is a troll himself--no one is ever really sure with this guy-- which kind of adds weight to the second theory.
I don't know which explanation is the correct one, but he is always good for a laugh now and then.
It was actually Thorleifur and his inappropriate threads for GQ that caused me to enter the BBQ pit for the first time.

[UncleBeer]

You guys (and gals) should check out his website. It appears he even trolls the visitors there. Here's a sample.

a start. now there's an item hard to aquire in a world of words. but what should i be starting? it's by your decision alone that you came here so i believe you have indeed started this yourself. well shame on you. you have taken away my freedom to make a thing happen. anyhow, i got fed up with my older page, because i wasn't speaking directly to you, you stealer of beginnings. you are a thief of such quality that the victim is addicted to your success.

I gotta say I'm more puzzled now than I was before.


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"The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind." - Humphrey Bogart

[WallyM7]

It must be a code of some kind, UncleBeer.

Either that, or I have to take a remedial reading class.

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The big toe is a device for finding furniture in the dark.

[Kat]

hell...you mentioned perversion...thats your imagination flying around, i dont want to have anything to do with that one...thank you very much.

Man, get a clue and buy a dictionary. The word used was perverse.

per*verse (adjective)
[Middle English, from Latin perversus, from past participle of pervertere]
First appeared 14th Century
1 a : turned away from what is right or good : CORRUPT
b : IMPROPER, INCORRECT
c : contrary to the evidence or the direction of the judge on a point of law <~ verdict>
2 a : obstinate in opposing what is right, reasonable, or accepted : WRONGHEADED
b : arising from or indicative of stubbornness or obstinacy
3 : marked by peevishness or petulance : CRANKY

per*vert [1] (verb transitive)
[Middle English, from Middle French pervertir, from Latin pervertere to overturn, corrupt, pervert, from per- thoroughly + vertere to turn -- more at PER-, WORTH]
First appeared 14th Century
1 a : to cause to turn aside or away from what is good or true or morally right : CORRUPT
b : to cause to turn aside or away from what is generally done or accepted : MISDIRECT
2 a : to divert to a wrong end or purpose : MISUSE
b : to twist the meaning or sense of : MISINTERPRET

The two words aren't even descended from the same word, much less mean the same thing.

[andros]

Ummm . . Kat? Hat to break this to ya, but according to your definitions, they both DO derive from the Latin pervertere.

-andros-

[andros]

And I hate to break it to you as well.

[Kat]

You don't say...

I only read up to: "from Latin perversus"

and completely missed: "from past participle of pervertere" which goes to show I shouldn't be trusted with a dictionary after midnight.

Still doesn't change the fact that they don't mean the same thing, though. Or the fact that Bjorn can't write a coherent paragraph.

[bj0rn]

about my debut yes...that was my first posting :)...accually yes, i do know hoe and thorleifur, hoe is a brilliant character but i cant say the same thing about thorleifur...but whatever, i dont think hes posting anymore
the real reason for my postings had nothing to do with thorleifurs earlier postings or papabears reply to them...it was about how a country was being marked stupid because of one person(thorleifur), so i reversed the logic and threw it back at the states...and you all know what happened ;)

and about the perveratatethingy...whatever...no wonder i bloody misunderstood what you were trying to say...its like that alien thing http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000089.html where by the book they are really talking about extraterrestrial life, and therefore misinterpeting the articles they are quoting from

bj0rn

[andros]

and about the perveratatethingy...whatever...no wonder i bloody misunderstood
what you were trying to say

Yeah! How dare you use a word that might sound and look a little like another word that means something entirely different!! You bastards!! Don't you understand that English is my second language and I can't be expected to get it right? It's your fault!

chidingly,
-andros-

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"Listen Children Eternal Father Eternally One!" Exceptions? None!
-Doc Bronner

[bj0rn]

andros is in a good mood today i see...
accually it seems to be your fault...since you brought it up...

bj0rn

[tracer]

Um, bj0rn?

The punctuation mark that a sentence is supposed to end in is called a period. It looks like this: &nbsp;.&nbsp; It's one (1) dot. A string of three (3) dots is called an ellipsis. It's used to indicate a gap in the middle of a sentence. A sentence that ends and then "trails off" ends in both a period (.) and an ellipsis (...), which form a grand total of four (4) dots, like this: &nbsp;....&nbsp;

For further information, please consult the "punctuation" song from The Electric Company show.

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The truth, as always, is more complicated than that.

[bj0rn]

yes and lol means??
what about imo...or whatnot like that
taking it even further...u for a you
and 2 for other purposes than number
and so on and so on...
its netish...not english so shut up with that grammar thing, i never learned it

bj0rn

[BenDover]

LOL means 'laughing out loud'.
IMO means 'in my opinion.'

You won't find many people here using 'u' for 'you' or '2' for 'to' or 'too' - just too confusing and hard to read.

so shut up with that grammar thing, i never learned it

I think we figured that out already.

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The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best. - Henry Van Dyke

[andros]

The sentiment so nice, I had to quote it twice.

so shut up with that grammar thing, i never learned it

Defense rests, Your Honor.

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"Listen Children Eternal Father Eternally One!" Exceptions? None!
-Doc Bronner

[bj0rn]

so i win by default since you didnt have a case! ;)

[Sake Samurai]

bj0rn: You're taking a beating my good man! Not without merit, though - you do seem to be a bit trollish.

OT: About your homeland: I was in Iceland a few years ago and it was surreal. I landed at the airport (I won't even attempt spelling it) and I thought it was surrounded by lush grass. When I went outside to take a stroll I found it to be not grass, but. . .MOSS! Wild. I thought the country was beautiful and I love the clothes (best goddamn wool in the world), history, epics (Snari rules!) and poetry.

Everyone should stop attacking bj0rn, Iceland breeds thousands of big dumb warriors and only a handfull of scholars - the odds were against him from the start!

[krish]

Everyone should stop attacking bj0rn,
Iceland breeds thousands of big dumb
warriors and only a handfull of scholars -
the odds were against him from the start!


I wouldn't generalize about Iceland being
filled with big dumb warriors. Bjorn has
told us that he knew Hoe and Thorleifur
before joining. It follows then that an
ignorant troll would be friends with
ignorant trolls.

I hope that Bjorn does not represent the
majority of Icelandic people because then I
would feel sorry for his country.

[TVeblen]

I've been following this thread with some puzzlement. No, make that a LOT of puzzlement since BjOrn came on board.

Puzzling, incomprehensible, annoying, but sorta cute and irrepressible...then (drum roll) it came to me!

Muppets fans, remember the "Swedish Chef"? Yes, another bouncy, funny, incoherent Scandahoovian who bopped around, showboated and cheerfully roared out....something.

THAT's why he seemed so familiar! Hey, fans of Nordic culture, these guys invented trolls! Honest, look in any kitschy souvenir shop that is Scandahoovian oriented. They proudly sell replicas of 'em, it's a cultural thing. (And spare me PC flames; I married a Norvegian (sp intended) and have a herring aversion to prove it...)

{Deep breath}....yes, what we have here is truly a failure to communicate.

So, yes, decidedly, BjOrn IS a troll, in the very finest sense, of course.

Glad to put this in context,
Veb

[Sake Samurai]

I actually LOVE Iceland and it's people. I found them all to be more intelligent then the average American. I also found their english to be better - so Bj0rn, how come yours ain't?

[bj0rn]

'u dink it's esy tolking phrough em stony djaws i've?? an dem i'm soo bluody shurt-sigted i can't evn see me keebooard, let aloone 'ammer it wiff me 'uges fingers

;)

seriously enough though, im very out of practice in talking or writing english. i can read it almost like a native and i can understand english speaking people quite well, but that isnt the same as writing.
you know in the middle ages people knew how to read but not to write...well im good at telling stories, but darn me when im writing em down. i have to discard and write up the same text over and over again because im always finding a better way to put it than i did before, i cant to that when im talking and i dont want to do that when im posting, because frankly i havent that much time to post(im talking hours here). recently i posted an article for the local newspaper, i belive it took me 5 hours to write it, but it was bloody brilliant when i had finished it, im still meeting people who comment about it(thats 3 months now).
so as a selfcentered troll i could drown you in intelligence if i wanted to...but im not selfcentered, im just here because i hate ignorance and mocking other peoples intelligence is ignorance. ignorance because you dont know any better, and ignorance because thats what you are accusing someone else of.

i fink me inglif iffn't good becuff me mouff if full of food!

bj0rn

[Sake Samurai]

Still Off Topic: You're right - until recently oral skills (no snide remarks here) were significanly more important.

I mourn the fact that the spoken word is deteriorating. The internet and message boards are part of it I suppose. Perhaps that's the good aspect of voice-recognition software - it'll get people talking again instead of typing. A long way to go before the software becomes truly invisible though.

I suppose english will continue to be the chosen language of discourse.

[andros]

Again, off-thread. Many apologies all.

Sigh. Ok, Björn, I will try again.

I am not "mocking [your] intelligence," so don't even try to go there.

I did not begin by mocking your grammar or spelling.

It was communicated to you pretty effectively that most people could not understand you very well. You have admitted that you have not studied English grammar, and you seem to have an aversion to punctuation. These make your posts difficult to understand.

Instead of making an effort to clarify and post in a manner which would be more intelligible, you decided that anyone who couldn't understand you was an idiot. That was very offensive, and people (myself included) began to flame you.

This made you flame in return.

And it got ugly.

Now you claim people are "mocking [your] intelligence." Pal, I do not give a rat's ass if you are a complete vegetable or Stephen Fucking Hawking. The only bases I have by which to judge your intelligence are your posts. If you cannot communicate your oh-so-brilliant thoughts in your posts, I will have no reason to think you have a brain.

Further, I don't care that you're from Iceland. You could be from Mozambique or Calcutta or Bumfuck, Arkansas for all I care. I'm sure Rekjavik is a wonderful place and the Icelandic language is elegant and efficient. But if you want to be taken at all seriously on this English-speaking message boardyou have to make sense. In English.

So here's the deal. Stop telling me I'm a bigoted American idiot simply for not understanding your pidgin, and I will stop telling you that your posts make no fucking sense. I can simply ignore you until (and unless) you begin to use punctuation and more appropriate grammar.

xxoo
-andros-

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[ChrisCTP]

Andros: Good show.

Bjorn: They do, at the very least, use capitalization in your corner of the globe, do they not? Maybe even a comma here and there?

Veb: That's not funny, Veb, I am the daughter of a man who was adopted by Norvegians!

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Chris' Homepage: Domestic Bliss (http://www2.crosswinds.net/~domesticbliss/)

[bj0rn]

there you go again.
I am not "mocking [your] intelligence," so don't even try to go there.
never said you were, but you are saying:
which would be more intelligible, you decided that anyone who couldn't understand you was an idiot.
did not, not my fault if you somehow misinterpeted my postings like i was.

This made you flame in return.
did i now? thats you putting words in my mouth, or perhaps more accuarately letters to my post.

Pal, I do not give a rat's ass if you are a complete vegetable or Stephen Fucking Hawking
how nice to know you dont care about other people. now that was me putting words in your mouth, or posting.

The only bases I have by which to judge your intelligence are your posts.
no, the only base is how you interpet the words you read.

Further, I don't care that you're from Iceland
good to know that, its true that it doesnt matter as long as one isnt posting some national silly things.

truth is, i like it when people respond to my postings like you are doing. read this and understand it your way, but do not assume that is how i mean it.

bj0rn

[Coldfire]

Arg....

I'm almost speechless. Since a vast majority on this board consists out of Americans and Canadians, I would like to stress the following point:

NOT ALL EUROPEANS ARE LIKE BJ0RN.

There. I said it. Just to avoid any confusion. Actually, all people from Iceland I have met seemed intelligent and educated. I have no clue how this particular Troll wound up on these premises.

And Bj0rn, what sort of masochist are you anyway ? People are slaughtering you over here ! All you do is respond in increasingly incomprehendible posts, whereas your postings on other parts of SD than the BBQ have been decreasing in number - albeit NOT in stupidity.

Iceland must be a very boring place if all this is still some sort of amusement to you.


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"You know how complex women are"
- Neil Peart, Rush (1993)

[andros]

Ooops, sorry Kelli . . . I meant to write Buttfuck, Arkansas. A little burg about 35 miles out of Little Rock. (where you can hear duelling banjos day and night, and the most common pickup line is "You shore gotta purty mouth.")

As for Bj(null)rn, he's doing it just to fuck with me now. I tried being polite. I tried being logical. I'm giving up. Which is undoubtedly what he wants, but oh well.

-andros-

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[Coldfire]

geez thanx kELLIbELLI, i feal muhc bettr now that u told me i aint a troll but one of teh kool eurpeons !!

;)

I oughta stay out of the Pit, this is no place for a gentle boy like me....


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"You know how complex women are"
- Neil Peart, Rush (1993)

[krish]

Okay, bj0rn... you still don't seem to get
it. Bad punctuation and grammar damage your
ethos. Even if I somehow decode what you are
trying to say through your lack of
capitalizations and punctuation marks, I
have no respect for your comments because
of that fact.

Let me try simplifying this for you: would
you take a piece of writing more seriously
if it were typed or scribbled in crayon? If
your answer was the one in crayon, then I
give up.

[kellibelli]

(softly, gently) Coldfire, dear, we would not liken you to Bjorn in any way. Have no fear...we know he does not represent Europeans. (patting his hand) Its ok now...just relax.

Andros said:Further, I don't care that you're from Iceland. You could be from Mozambique or Calcutta or Bumfuck, Arkansas for all I care.

Now, I take exception to that comment! We all know that Bumfuck is a town in New Brunswick, its where Shitboy's family lives.

I will thank you to keep the record clear on that point.

mumble...I have way too much time on my hands...

[tracer]

Coldfire wrote:

Arg....

Oh NO, not HIM again!!

[bj0rn]

yes coldfire, not all europeans are like me, fortunately ;). but then again not all americans and canadians are like you, could i say fortunately there too?
now i dont really know if you have really met people from iceland, or if you are just talking about people you have talked to on a messageboard like this. but im assuming you met them, since that is the word you used. i hate to point out the obvious, but you havent met me! this again goes back to the statement you made about "not all ... are like ...".

kellibelli: its true what you are saying, coldfire got it right as well. im not representing europeans. i never said i was. its just something coldfire cooked up all by himself, so why dont we just let him live with it? ;)

andros: i was not f***ing with you. and how the bloody well can you say you tried being polite? and what the hell do you mean logical? about sodding what are you being logical? you call this being logical:
I did not begin by mocking your grammar or spelling.

It was communicated to you pretty effectively that most people could not understand you very well. You have admitted that you have not studied English grammar, and you seem to have an aversion to punctuation. These make your posts difficult to understand.
???
a small demonstration here, this has become quite popular for some reasons. this is translated from english to french, then back to english
Instead of making year effort to clarify and post in A manner which would Be more understandable, you decided that anyone who couldn' T understand you was idiotic year. Offensive That was very, and people (myself included) began to flame you.
people have said i have bad grammar, i dont capitalize and stuff like that. there are a few grammar lessons in this thread. and i know one aswell. here in iceland we have laws that say you dont have to use proper grammar, just as long as you have a style of writing.
i would usually be done here, but i feel compelled to explain so there will be no misunderstanding about my last statement.

a writer named halldór kiljan laxness (died recently) won a nobel prize for the books he had written. halldór didnt use proper grammar when he was writing, he wrote the words as they were spoken (similar to the pronouncation thingy in dictionaries). this has bothered alot of people when reading his books, as perhaps i am bothering you now with my lack of capitalization and other grammar things i dont know the name for anyway. but as i see it, its better to make it wrong my way(which really is right), that fail in trying to do it the right way.

final point being: you are always right (in your opinion) until someone points out why you are wrong. and saying that:Bad punctuation and grammar damage your ethos.

is not good enough. because i dont care what other people think of me in ways that can be blamed on my accusers.
Let me try simplifying this for you: would you take a piece of writing more seriously if it were typed or scribbled in crayon? If your answer was the one in crayon, then I give up.
i look at what the person i trying to say, not how it is written. although something like this matters:
hengið hann, ekki bíða eftir mér (means; hang him, dont wait for me) isnt the same as hengið hann ekki, bíða eftir mér (means: dont hang him, wait for me)

there is also a story ive often told the kids, a very popular one. its wolf, wolf.
for those that dont know it, its about a boy that cries wolf, wolf. but is lying. and when the wolf finally comes and the boy cries wolf, wolf. nobody belives him.

its all about things that matter, and ill bet you that the persons who have yelled at me for my grammar do not have a kid, or do not spend alot of time raising em.
(this is a harmless accusation, please notify me if im wrong.)

bj0rn

[bj0rn]

better to make it wrong my way(which really is right), that fail in trying to do it the right way.

before you get all exited it was supposed to be
better to make it wrong my way(which really is right), thaN fail in trying to do it the right way

bj0rn

[WallyM7]

Thank you for clarifying that, Bj0rn.

[bj0rn]

yes, is suppose if forgot the bloody E too.
but whatever.

bj0rn

Say, Bj0rn, you DO know that Coldfire is a European, right? That he also isn't anymore a native English speaker than you are?

Just clearing this up so Coldfire has more time in his post to flame you....

--John

[Coldfire]

Thanks John, nothing left for me now.... ;)

Bj0rn, you Idiot, I'm a Dutchman !

Furthermore, I did not 'cook up' the fact that you represent all Europeans, I just wanted to make abolutely clear that no-one on this board would deduct such a thing.

But I suppose I used way too much difficult words already - also, the capitals must be dazzling you.


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"You know how complex women are"
- Neil Peart, Rush (1993)

[andros]

I won't say anything. I won't, I won't, I won't.

I won't let him get to me. Nope nope nope.

But christ in a jumbo jet, he's annoying.

-andros-

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[krish]

I won't say anything. I won't, I won't, I won't.

Exactly. Ignore the ignorant troll. It's hopeless to argue with someone with whom it is impossible to reason.
Besides, kellibelli's thread is supposed to be a troll "list," not the next battlegrounds. Let's allow bj0rn to start another one of his incomprehensible threads that we all ignore, anyway.

Okay, we've added bj0rn to the list of trolls, so let's continue the list. Anyone else?

[bj0rn]

coldfire: sorry about not realizing you were a european, but that doesnt matter now, does it, as you yourself said.

coldfire: and why would everyone on the board decuct that i represented all europeans?

krish: i was hoping for the trolls to deny the accusation. as i am going to do! explain your definition of troll and ill explain why im not one!

bj0rn

[Coldfire]

Bj0rn,

You've just proven that you can neither type NOR read. If you quote, please be a little more careful as to avoid making other people that yourself look like stupid asses.

Now go away and walk into a boiling Geiser or something.


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"You know how complex women are"
- Neil Peart, Rush (1993)

[WallyM7]

Boiling Geiser?

Don't do it! It's hot!

You'll get Bj0rned.

[andros]

You had to do it, didn't ya Wally?

I saw it coming, of course. I wasn't bj0rn yesterday, you know.

[manhattan]

Oy. Don't you guys realize that all these bad puns start to get ... wait for it... Bj0ring after a while?

Thank you! I'll be here all week. Remember to tip your waitresses and bartenders, and drive safe, you hear?

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[andros]

Geez, Manhattan. That was a little overbj0rd, dontcha think?

[tomndebb]

I think that this thread has pretty well bj0rn out the idea that we really need to each get a life. Fortunately, we haven't resorted to animal jokes, so we won't be accused of being brought up in a bj0rn.

[WallyM7]

I nanosecond after I hit the submit button, I said, "Oh, oh".

Sorry, guys.

[bj0rn]

coldfire: that was an unsupported statement you made just there. if you dont know what im talking about, you can always resort to your idea that i dont know how to type.

group therapy, have you heard of it? well, you dont need that one. except with you as the only patient.

its strange that "you" is both singular and plural in the english language.

bj0rn

[tomndebb]

Yeah. I would guess that the singular/plural "you" has caused more fights on message boards/bulletin boards/newsgroups than any other single feature. We keep that construction in the language just for its entertainment value.

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[elelle]

I've just read this thread in one sitting.
I keep clicking on that big O in the middle of his name, trying to get those fucking CAPITAL LETTERS out of there !!! I'm sure it will work, it's got to, it's got to...its got 2...oh please god help me...its got me by the ankle...why do you people not understand me...

[UncleBeer]

I think we need to start an SDMB virtual petition to get bj to change his moniker.

I think it should be bj(zero)rn or possibly bj(null)rn. Any other suggestions? Anybody with me?

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[tracer]

It already is bj(zero)rn. Some people just misspell it as bjOrn, is all.

[tracer]

Oh, wait -- you meant to substitute the 0 with the characters "(zero)" or "(null)", rather than ... er, never mind.

[elelle]

BjOrn... Honey, wake up, I know the nights are getting long up there...For the record, I'm in no way dissing Iceland. I've been there and think it's beautiful.
I'm wondering this, though: why in your profile is bjorn just regular, but in your post name spelled with the CAPITAL "O"
????????? Is this the key to your style that I'm too clueless to understand??? Help me, it's cold down here under the bridge....

[tomndebb]

Bj0rn mentioned on another thread that he uses the 0 (zero) because he has encountered languages (and software?) that don't support the umlauted o (ö) that follows the j in his name.

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[Ringo]

Björn?

[kaylasdad99]

beatle:
If you turn to page one of this thread (my presumption; I am browsing with Netscape Navigator, your mileage may vary, debending upon your browser, the version and the speed of your Internet connection ;), ANYWAY, on October 6,1999, krish posted some links which evidently were intended to give newcomers such as myself (and possibly you) some historical context on the postings of bjOrn, which would allow us to come to our own conclusions as to whether he's a troll.

I have taken it upon myself to read these four links, and the two links that inspired Papabear to go off on Thorleifur (sp?) I can't remember who provided those links, and I'm not feeling inclined to go looking for them right now, but it could have been Papabear himself). As a result, I'm still on the 'net at 0130 local time, and I'm likely to be late for work in the morning. Don't anyone feel guilty; I chose this course of action for the evening.

Krish, I must confess that link #3, originated by Frankd6, confuses me a bit. While bjOrn did post to the thread a couple of times, he is by no means overly represented. I found link #2 to be hilarious, and I applaud all of those who contributed to it with non-English language replies, including those who used pig latin. The bit in Elvish was priceless. Fukk marks to bjOrn foe originating it.

On the whole, my impression of Thorleifur is as follows: He has been acculturated to regard the actions of American foreign policy with suspicion, his OP's tend to challenge Americans to justify the dichotomy between the advertised ideals of The American Way and the realities of life on the ground in the U.S.A. (a habit many Americans might do well to take up), and when he is given a straight answer, respectfully worded and with a minimum of jingoism, he tends to accept it and respectfully disavow any intent to insult.

I have the same impression of Hoe.

Both of these individuals do, in my view, seem to respond to jingoism with a certain level of disdain which propably informs their ri[b]post[/]es (and if I did that right, I apologize for the horrible pun) with a certain amount of prickliness.

bjOrn, in addition to these qualities, has, in my view, demonstrated a devastating level of wit comparable to the best of Monty Python and the Black Adder, and surrealism on a level with Rosenkrantz and Guildenstern are Dead.

Of course, I've been mixing Kahlua, brandy and milk all night, so feel free to take that into account.

Lynn, would you be so good as to provide us with a definition of the term troll? If you prefer, you may defer to kellibelli as the originator of this thread. I ask because having seen Palidors listed as a troll, I am confused as to the inclusion of bjOrn on the same list.

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Maype I should just stick to smart-ass remarks.

[bj0rn]

yes, björn here :), you got it right tomnebb.

kaylasdad99: do NOT stick to smart-ass remarks, that post of yours is brilliant, and reading all those links is truly a heroic feat. not mentioning understanding em too ;).

bj0rn (björn)

[Byzantine]

Gosh, I got some mail while gone that lead me to believe I was a troll! Hate to rain on your so obvious parade BJ0rne or whatever but I think I need some attention too.

Who did I really piss off so much that they directed me here? Anonymous e-mail is cute but do you care to fess up in public or should I just act like you never sent me e-mail? If you really, honestly, think and feel that I'm a troll than please, post it here. I promise to watch this tread. I will respond personally post haste.

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[kaylasdad99]

Thank YOU, bjOrn.

And now, since I understand that spelling trolls exist, too, please accept my new signature line.

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Maybe I should just stick to smart-ass remarks.

[krish]

I did not want this thread to be devoted to bj0rn anymore, so I created a thread called "rebj0rn as a troll..." to explain why bj0rn is an ignorant troll. I define troll the way it was explained to me, so if you're interested, kaylasdad99, it's there. As for link #3, I think I included it because he was addressed in the topic and I didn't bother to actually look through the thread. woops! ;)

The reason everyone was upset with Thorleifur was because he posted his opinions about Americans in the GQ Forum instead of MPSIMS or the Pit (Great Debates did not exist back then.)

I have to finish a paper for English, so I'll post back later.

[tomndebb]

krish:The reason everyone was upset with Thorleifur was because he posted his opinions about Americans in the GQ Forum instead of MPSIMS or the Pit (Great Debates did not exist back then.)

No, the reason Thorliefur was scorned was that even when he asked legitimate questions, he always phrased them "If you people are so great, why do you . . . ."

Since his manner of asking questions was pointed out to him on several occasions and he continued to use the same insulting style, it became obvious that either 1) he chose to be insulting or 2) he really was too stupid to realize what he was doing. Either reason was more than sufficient to get him flamed.
(It does not take a sociology major to realize that Manhattan, alone, with 5.5 times the number of people as Iceland on 1/1700 the amount of land is going to have more problems than Iceland--and the U.S. is a lot more than Manhattan.) However, for several weeks after this sort of discrepancy had been pointed out, Thorliefur continued to post questions in the same snide way. kaylasdad99 is right that several of the questions were legitimate topics for research or discussion, but when Thorliefur wouldn't drop his attitude, PapaBear smacked him upside the head with his thread.

Several of bj0rn's posts have been hard to understand. His clarity seems to fade in and out like a shortwave radio. On the other hand, he can be amusing and he has posted valid comments and I suspect that a lot of folks have simply decided to hate him and choose to react violently to all his posts. Could he improve his clarity with better punctuation and capitalization? Sure. But he is not indecipherable. I figure he and his booing section are having a good time baiting each other.

I have always felt that the S&G Police attitude of some posters does nothing to actually improve the Board, (I'm unlikely to be an S&G Cop target, myself), but I doubt that S&G Police are going to accept my views on the subject, so I generally don't get involved with those feuds.

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[bj0rn]

kaylasdad99: you are signed ;)

tomnebb: yes, in those regards i suppose i am a shortwave radio...hehehe.
but then again like a short wave radio, you just have to stay still and listen more carefully, preferably with the fingers on the fine tuning button.
why? because sometimes i dont want to explain myself, i am either expecting people to understand it (related to earlier postings on the thread) or i want to see how people will understand it (related to what they want to see posted).
when i do not quote directly, i am asking people to take it as it is and to put it into their perspective of the dicussion, perspective in regards to the people involved and the statements already made on the thread.
if i dont want that, i quote or speak directly to the person involved(like im doing now).
all in all, if you dont understand it, just shake your head and read on. if you understand it, see it as wrong, speak up!
if you understand it, see it as right, do whatever you want. if you understand it, see its debatable, post a reply...noting your opinion on the matter. but noting your opinion on how it is posted is wrong. its like krish said:would you take a piece of writing more seriously if it were typed or scribbled in crayon? If your answer was the one in crayon, then I give up. i say again, it doesnt matter. what does matter is what it says. are you going to lable a piece of crayon writing as kid scribble just because its written in crayon?

darn, i miss kindergarden (understand this as you want to, if you make a wrong comment about it, ill correct your error)

bj0rn

[bj0rn]

but noting your opinion on how it is posted is wrong.
yes, that was bloody brilliant!!! < (see, a looney sign)
it was of course supposed to be: but NOT your opinion on how it is posted wrong

[tracer]

I thought bj0rn used the Zero because it shows up with a slash through it in some fonts (like a Ø).

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[krish]

the reason Thorliefur was scorned was that even when he asked legitimate questions, he always phrased them "If you people are so great, why do you . . . ."Thorleifur's attitude was a problem, but the reason PapaBear created his Iceland thread was becase he displayed this confrontational attitude in GQ.Somebody please tell me if the following retorical questions have a place in the GQ forum:
The shortwave radio is a brilliant analogy. To extend it a bit further, I am the kind of person who becomes annoyed when the signal fades. It ruins the flow of the song, news piece, etc. to which I am listening. You hear that bj0rn, I just want better recep***STATIC***on. I hope I made myself clear.

[Doobieous]

I'm sorry guys for bringing Bj(zero)n back to the spotlight again but I just could not get the following quotes out of my mind.

here in iceland we have laws that say you dont have to use proper grammar, just as long as you have a style of writing.

Well sorry Bj(null)n but in the English language we do have rules of proper grammar. I am sure you learned how to be LITERATE in English as you were learning it. In fact,people who learn other languages as their second language are often more literate in the language than the natives (So why aren't you?). As the saying goes, "When in Rome Do as the Romans do".

That quote of yours is just an excuse for you to get away with your poor handle of even the basic rules of the English language (such as capitalizing the first letter of the first word of each sentence and proper names).


[QUOTE]a writer named halldór kiljan ---Snip-- halldór didnt use proper grammar when he was writing ---Snip--- perhaps i am bothering you now with my lack of capitalization and other grammar thing ---Snip---. but as i see it, its better to make it wrong my way(which really is right), that fail in trying to do it the right way.[QUOTE]

And? You are just a poster on the SDMB who confounds, and annoys everyone else with your incoherency, and semi-illiteracy in a language you should have learned the basic rules for when you were learning it. The Difference between you and Halldór Kiljan (using correct capitalization for a proper name here) is that you are not writing a book where you can write it however you want. Here we at least try to follow the basic rules.

It's worse to not even recognize the basic rules of capitalization and simple punctuation than to fail in using them. At least if you fail, but still try to use them, you show you have at least tried to apply what you should have learned.

You also say your way is right. Maybe in Icelandic, but not in English. If I were to apply the exact rules of punctuation and grammar of English to Spanish, my professors would fail me, and I would have to either rewrite what I have written or take the course over again to make up those lost credits.

Despite the people of the country you dislike who speak English (AKA Americans), at least respect the language MOST of the posters here speak, and learn the proper rules of punctuation and grammar. There are many on-line grammars of English. Do a search on www.yahoo.com (http://www.yahoo.com) for one and study up.

[bj0rn]

krish: maybe you need a new radio?? ;) (that was a bad one, sorry but i have to post it.)
but thenagain, maybe i need a new transmitter (to save you the trouble of posting that one ;)).

one question, do you know how its is to be blind? related to understanding what other people are saying of course. you have to either rely on how the words are spoken, or just plainly on what words are used. the logical choice is of course, the words that are used. now comes your part, to decipher what the other person said based on the words that were used. you can make you own assumption on what the meaning of the words are, and act on that assumption. but one thing you may not do, assume that what you translated into your type brainwaves is accually what the other person meant. so be careful at judgement day.
my ***static*** ...oy you.

bj0rn

[tomndebb]

bj0rn:do you know how its is to be blind? related to understanding what other people are saying of course. you have to either rely on how the words are spoken, or just plainly on what words are used. the logical choice is of course, the words that are used.

You blew it on this one, bj0rn. Every one of us (who is not hearing impaired) listens to people as if we were blind every day. It's called "radio." While the content of the words is certainly important, it is simply untrue that you can determine the speaker's meaning solely by "what words are used." Phrasing, pacing, emphasis by inflection, volume, and tone. All are required to understand a speaker.

Doubt it? Try getting the original text-to-audio software that simply translated text into monotone phonemes. It is nearly indecipherable if it is used to "read" more than a single sentence at a time. A single page of a novel or a scientific text really cannot be understood in those conditions.

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Tom~

[elelle]

It may be that in the not too distant future, this message board thing will be conducted by voice only, rendering all the concern about grammar obsolete. Just think, ya won't even have to be literate! I'm sure we can hardly wait.

[bj0rn]

tomnebb:You blew it on this one, bj0rn. Every one of us (who is not hearing impaired) listens to people as if we were blind every day. It's called "radio." While the content of the words is certainly important, it is simply untrue that you can determine the speaker's meaning solely by "what words are used." Phrasing, pacing, emphasis by inflection, volume, and tone. All are required to understand a speaker.

yes, i know exacly what you mean, but you are missing one point of it, you are assuming the speaker is a native in that language. people learning a language might not know where to emphasise or how to tone that word and so on. that is what i meant with: "...or just plainly on what words are used".

thank you (with a certain tone of voice)
bj0rn

[krish]

might not know where to emphasise or how to tone that word and so on.

Sorry, bj0rn, but that is strike two. A person speaks differently when he wants to show that he is upset than how he does if he wants to show his anger. This is true regardless of the language he uses to express these emotions. I have never heard a person learning English talk in monotone because he did not understand the finer points of the language.

[Doobieous]

yes, i know exacly what you mean, but you are missing one point of it, you are assuming the speaker is a native in that language. people learning a language might not know where to emphasise or how to tone that word and so on. that is what i meant with: "...or just plainly on what words are used".

Bjorn: Even if someone is not native in a language, ALL of the languages I have had experience with (Japanese, Tagalog, Spanish, and of course, English) convey meaning, tone, emotion, etc. the same way. I have NEVER come across ANYONE who had trouble getting their feelings across, emphasizing certain points, or stating facts in a language they are learning. It's handled the same way in ALL of the languages I have been exposed to.

Although you might be excused. Maybe Icelandic uses a drop in voice for anger, a raise in pitch at the end of sentences for statements, and yelling to ask questions. Perhaps that is why you are trying to argue this silly point LOL.

[bj0rn]

here are a couple of statements from MPSIMS - mispronounced words

I lived in Germany when I was a kid and had never seen a miniseries. Whenever I saw the word in a magazine or book I pronounced it "miNIzeries" - as one word, not "mini" then "series". I had no idea what a miniseries was.

My husband, to this day, pronounces adamant "Adam Ant".


I can't stop myself from pronouncing "especially" as "expecially." My wife thinks it's quite hilarious.


go to the tread for more http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001908.html[Mispronounced words]

then there is the http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001830.html[Favorite mistakes (your own or someone else's) made in language class]
here is one for people who are lazy
One of the most common mistakes students in beginning (or later) Russian make is to not paying attention to stress and mutation. These are both *real* important things.

When a student misplaces the stress in the verb "to write," it becomes "to pee."


and the best of it is, i didnt even write it myself :)

bj0rn

[bj0rn]

erf...darn...ugh...urls!!

here they are again, and no fancy stuff this time:

mispr. words: http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001908.html
fav. mistake: http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001830.html

[bj0rn]

and one more thing(i just cant get enough)
you know this guy who played the teacher in "ferris buellers day off", whats his name again, Ben Stein...yes thats the guy. you know how he talks.

bj0rn

[krish]

Okay, bj0rn, you obviously don't realize the difference between reality and fiction! Ben Stein speaks in monotone only for that movie, episodes of the Wonder Years, and Clear Eyes (tm) commercials. On his game show, Stein does display emotion in his voice. His voice might be a very nasal, but there is definitely emotion in it.

Your links talk about pronouncing words. That is completely different than expressing ideas with emotion. You can tell if a person is angry by the sound of his words regardless of whether he pronounces all of them perfectly.

[bj0rn]

Your links talk about pronouncing words. That is completely different than expressing ideas with emotion. You can tell if a person is angry by the sound of his words regardless of whether he pronounces all of them perfectly.

you didnt get it did you??
ok then, ill repeat it.

thank you (with a certain tone of voice!!!)
got that?
bj0rn

[Coldfire]

bj0rn,

Nobody on this board will EVER get it. Go away. Eat lava and die. Stop annoying us. Go plant some trees on that damn rock in the Atlantic. Enter the "Worlds Strongest Man Competition" and get crushed by a log. Become the mayor of Reykjavick, do SOMETHING to decrease the amount of time you have on your hands and thus devote to this board.


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[bj0rn]

Stop annoying us.
am i annoying you?? why would that be??
i have never had any intention of being annoying.
you are going to have to stop and think about it for a while.

who is annoyed? its you.
and who can do something about it? its you.

i cant do nothing go give you peace from your own emotions. im not in control of your hormones and stuff.

and by the way, you are the one picking on me remember? of all people, i should be annoyed. but im not annoyed. why?
because as krish so elegantly put it about that rats bodypart, i dont give a "rats bodypart" about it. ive said it before, and i dont want to say it again. if you dont remember it, you can always read earlier posts. its all there.

thank you for your time(with a certain tone of voice!!)
bj0rn

[Coldfire]

* WARNING. REPULSIVELY LONG QUOTES AHEAD. *

bj0rn, uh, said:

" am i annoying you?? why would that be??
i have never had any intention of being annoying. "

Your MOTHER.

" you are going to have to stop and think about it for a while.

who is annoyed? its you.
and who can do something about it? its you.

i cant do nothing go give you peace from your own emotions. im not in control of your hormones and stuff. "

I fail to see what my hormones have to do with this. But yeah, if I stopped reading threads like this with posts like yours, I would probably be less annoyed. I figure it's a bit like passing a car wreck: you just HAVE to take a look. Oh, and that's a double negative right there - I'll make sure I won't pick on your spelling abilities though.

" and by the way, you are the one picking on me remember? "

Well yeah, along with the majority of the board, for that matter.

" of all people, i should be annoyed.
but im not annoyed. why? "

Because you're too ignorant or too bad at English to understand that a lot of people here really, REALLY dislike you.

" because as krish so elegantly put it about that rats bodypart, i dont give a "rats bodypart" about it. "

I suppose the "ignorant" bit is true then.

" ive said it before, and i dont want to say it again. if you dont remember it, you can always read earlier posts. its all there. "

True enough, you're not really an innovator. Repeated statements repeated, ad infinitum.

" thank you for your time(with a certain tone of voice!!) "

Errm, you're welcome, I suppose. Still wondering what tone of voice we're talking about here though. As for my time, it does seem more valuable than yours - I know *I* don't have time to post crap 24/7, but your "computer thingie" job (eloquent profile there, bj0rn !) does seem to provide enough spave to do so. I'm curious what your boss thinks of this.....


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[bj0rn]

" thank you for your time(with a certain tone of voice!!) "

Errm, you're welcome, I suppose. Still wondering what tone of voice we're talking about here though


oh, you dont know what kind of tone im using?
does it matter? just read the words and understand it as you want to. the keyword there being YOU (or is the whole messageboard reading it with you?).
i dont expect you to understand that statement, since you have failed on easier ones. and the important part is that YOU understand it, not that it is explained to you.
aw...come on, im sounding like a teacher here. come on now and grow up. stop acting like a 12 year old.

bj0rn - ex-kindergarden teacher.

[Rousseau]

Hey, everybody. Happy to see me?
Coldfire: We have had our differences in the past. But, while I was scanning this list to make sure nobody had hit me (yet), you became my new hero. Congrats. And, although I have never seen bj0rn post on any other thread, I hate him as much as you do, solely on the merit of what he had written here.

So, without further ado, my haiku about bj0rn.

bjorn is annoying
a stupid european
takes it up the ass

Thank you.

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[bj0rn]

everybody is a poet...
im sorry rousseau, but do i know you?? no, i didnt think so. you even said it yourself.
so what the bloody bugger is your problem?
come to think of it, i dont want to know. i dont even want to talk to you. so please ignore what i just said and watch me walk away from the idiot you must be for posting something like you just did.

bj0rn

[Rousseau]

Do you know anyone here?

The definition of "knowing someone," as it pertains to this site, is that you have read that person's posts.
If you READ my post, you would have learned that I read through this entire sonofabitchin' thread, especially the parts that pertained to you. I gathered information about you, and translated said information into my little poem, which I thought was rather good.
So now I have read your posts, and you have read mine. We "know" each other.

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[Coldfire]

Rousseau:

Well, I wouldn't call the little word bashes we had real Differences. You're OK in my book, for what it's worth. Loved the poem. Not even gonna argue with you on the Gross "stupid European" generalistation :)

Now, let's all pick up them clubs and start swingin' violently.

bj0rn, as to your last post directed at me: I'm not sure who's acting like a 12-year-old, but I think the majority here doesn't think it's me.
And YES, if you remain incoherent, incomprehensible and inconsistent, people WILL be asking you for explanations. No use in just saying things like "certain tone of voice" (?), "it only matters how YOU understand it", and "i dont care what you think about my posts". If (god forbid) you REALLY want to get your message across, be concise, precise, coherent and eloquent. And you really need NOT be a native speaker of the English language to be able to do so. I am Dutch, and did not speak a word of English before I was 12. I'm absolutely sure though, that every single poster on this board understands every single post I submit. And that satisfies me a lot more than having to explain myself over and over, annoying the living crap out of everyone in the process. Take it for what it's worth.


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[Rousseau]

Just for clarification, calling bj0rn "a stupid european" is not a generalization. It would be like him calling me "a brilliant american."
(I know that European and American should be capitalized, but this is poetry.)
I would hate for you to think that I took bj0rn as a representative for an entire continent.

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[Rousseau]

oh, you dont know what kind of tone im using?
does it matter? just read the words and understand it as you want to. the keyword there being YOU (or is the whole messageboard reading it with you?).
Huh?
i dont expect you to understand that statement, since you have failed on easier ones. and the important part is that YOU understand it, not that it is explained to you.
Do I really need to say anything here?

Bj0rn, are you aware that nobody has a clue what you're thinking? And every time you try to justify it, you just get more and more incoherent. How about this: from now on, after you type out your message, take a minute to read it over, and see if YOU can even understand it. If, by some grace of God, you have a clue about what you just wrote, print out a copy and send it to a Harvard etymologies class, asking them to look it over. If they reply a few weeks later and say that they do understand it, translate it into binary code. This should take you about a day. Then think about it for a few months, and if you STILL think that it's worth posting, translate it back into English. Wait another month. Then you can take a shot at posting it.
I feel that this system will greatly reduce everybody's annoyance at you, both because your messages will be coherent and because we will have about 6 months in between your posts to try and derive meaning from them.

Give it a try.


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[Doobieous]

Coldfire: You're cool in my book :). Anyway, your posts are very coherent and understandable. I have had not one problem understanding any of your thoughts. I would say that you are as fluent as anyone can get in English :).

Personally, I'm going to try to ignore what bjorn says. It shouldn't be hard since i just waste my time trying to decipher what he says in the first place.

[Coldfire]

Rousseau:

Reading that again, you're right: that wasn't a genarilisation. And by know means do I think that people here are viewing bj0rn as a representative example of our otherwise fairly normal continent. Although I have in the past postings in this and other threads repeatedly stressed that most Europeans are WAY smarter and, moreover, better at English (well, except for the Brits that is ;) ) than bj0rn. Hey, we've got a rep to protect here, better be safe than sorry right ;)

Doobious: Thanks mate. Hey, you're pretty fluent in English yourself :)


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[krish]

Doobieous:
Personally, I'm going to try to ignore what bjorn says.

I feel the same way. Let's not waste time on this joker anymore.

[gypsy]

take a guess who I would nominate...

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Unforgiven

Shut up, Gypsy.

New Troll Reported: Dingus. First thread is in the Pit, bitching about threads that he doesn't enjoy reading. He plans to stay in the Pit most of the time. He hasn't lurked much at all (doesn't realize ChrisCTP is a woman fr'instance) and told everyone they had no sense of humor when they flamed him back.

Death to him.

-John

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[Dingus]

Good call, Sherlock!

(Comic Book Guy mode ON)
Your powers of deduction are exceptional! I simply can't allow you to waste them here, when there are so many crimes going unsolved at this very moment. Go! Go! For the good of the city!
(Comic Book Guy mode OFF)

[WallyM7]

Dingus, why are you being so obnoxious?

[The LION]

Wally
What we have here is the advanced scout for an invading army of knuckledraging troglodytes from assboink idaho.

[Dingus]

Geeze Wally, he basically wished me dead, unless "Death to him" has some new street meaning I'm not hip to.

Did you think sarcasm was too harsh a response to him hoping that I die? Good thing I didn't use harsh language too, or I might have been in violation of the Geneva Convention.

By the way LION, us trogs like to capitalize Assboink and Idaho. Bit of a civic pride type of thing.

[WallyM7]

I was referring to your posts as a group, Dingus.
You started right off in the pit without getting to know anyone.
If it's flames you want, I assure you that there are some people here who are well able to provide them.

Then they'll get bored and ignore you.

[Yue Han]

(Same guy, less punctuation)

Actually, yeah, death to him/you/me does have a new street meaning; or rather it's a peice of slang me and my friends use often. Implies a sever irritation/wrath with the person so addressed. I slipped and used it in a group of people who didn't know that. Sorry.

At any rate, hyperbole is the watchword in the Pit, Dingus. You know, if you really intend to spend much time with in here, you should learn not to be so offend with those who flame you back.

-John

[bj0rn]

yup...real nice. i would thank you if you were reading this post, but since you are acting like adults(hey look, i used sarcasm...im learning bad habits from you) and ignoring my posts i guess i dont have to thank you at all.

bj0rn

[Coldfire]

Is it my imagination, or did my monitor just fart ?


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[Dingus]

Yue Han, could ya do me a favor and let me know where you went to grade school? I'd like to make sure my kids never go there since they obviously don't know how to teach basic reading comprehension.

1st: I never said I didn't enjoy the "let's meet IRL" threads, I simply made fun of them.

2nd: I never said I plan to stay in the pit, I said I enjoyed it. If I said I liked Disneyland, that doesn't mean I'm locking myself up in Cinderella's castle.

3rd: I never said I was offended by the "death to him" remark, I simply responded to it.

[Dingus]

Wally:

Isn't that what the pit is for, to be an obnoxious pain-in-the-ass flaming idiot? I haven't been polluting the other boards like Gen Questions or Great Debates with this bullshit, and wouldn't think of it.

I don't know what to make of being called obnoxious in the BBQ pit. Does that mean I'm doing something right, or doing something wrong?

[ChrisCTP]

Technically, the Pit is for carrying on heated debates when they get too hot for the other forums.

Of late, it gets used a lot for calling out trolls and running fuck-off contests.

Just because it's the Pit does not mean that every post needs to be a flame, though there are a select few who are really good at it.

Being branded a troll your first time out isn't the kiss of death or anything, it's just easier to work your way in if you start off in one of the other forums.

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[Rousseau]

Wow.

Just when I thought we had a challenger to bj0rn's throne as Supreme Pain in the Ass of the Highest Order, he comes right back with yet another crushing blow to comprehension.

Way to go, bj0rn.

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[bj0rn]

Of late, it gets used a lot for calling out trolls and running fuck-off contests.

quite true. and its quite boring im afraid. the pit is a place for debates where its all right to call someone stupid or daft(or similar words in that category). but just plain assault on ones being is quite another matter.

i have noticed that a few individuals have resulted to "fuck-off contests" when somebody didnt accept their logic(and some have even started the contest before they expressed(!) any logic at all). i cant imagine people can have fun making fun of other people. at least if its anything more than just a casual joke.

well anyhows(intended)...enjoy your evening. or whatever the time of day might be when you read this.

bj0rn

[Rousseau]

i have noticed that a few individuals have resulted to "fuck-off contests" when somebody didnt accept their logic(and some have even started the contest before they expressed(!) any logic at all).
If you're referring to me, my dearest bj0rnito, I suggest you drag your language-butchering ass out of the Pit for ten minutes and check out some other threads.

BTW, I think the word you're grasping at is "resorted."

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[elelle]

The best thing about having bj0rn in the Pit is that he's self-basting.

If bj0rn were not real you wd certainly have to invent him... I simply don't understand what the problem is that you lot seem to have with him... I think he's really great: at least he's not predictable - apart from the layout - and he can certainly keep his temper and maintain a civilised tone better than quite a lot of you

(sorry, bj0rn, I'm writing past you, which is not very polite...)

Actually, I have far more of a problem with the self-opinionated / self-appointed, of whom there seem to be a disproportionate number - oh, hello, Rouss...

As a European, I have to say that bj0rn may not always speak for me, but neither does Coldfire - we are not all wetting ourselves to be little mock-Americans - or Wankies, as I believe I may have heard them called

And now I have stayed up far too late AGAIN - I must go to bed

[krish]

I sense blood will be spilled between Durnovarianus and Coldfire.

[Rousseau]

Actually, I have far more of a problem with the self-opinionated / self-appointed, of whom there seem to be a disproportionate number - oh, hello, Rouss...

I can't really say that I take offense to this, because I don't really know what "self-opinionated" means. Did you make that word up? It would seem to mean "I bestowed opinions unto myself." Thanks, I guess. "Self-appointed?" I am equally confused here. Wait a second.......
If bj0rn were not real you wd certainly have to invent him... I simply don't understand what the problem is that you lot seem to have with him... I think he's really great: at least he's not predictable - apart from the layout - and he can certainly keep his temper and maintain a civilised tone better than quite a lot of you

Wait....makes up words....misuses the real ones (layout?)....misspellings....defending bj0rn......attacking Coldfire and myself.....

Gee, I wonder if Durnovarianus is bj0rn??

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[Yue Han]

Look, Dingus, I didn't say that the "Death to you" specifically was what offended you. But so far you've posted only in the Pit (that I've seen), and then gotten defensive when you were flamed in return. Proper "ettiquitte" would be to flame back, not accuse everyone of having no sense of humor.

Isn't that what the pit is for, to be an obnoxious pain-in-the-ass flaming idiot?

Yes, it is. But if the only place you post is to the Pit, you look like you really are an obnoxious pain-in-the-ass flaming-idiot, and not just blowing off steam.

--John

[Coldfire]

Dunno said:

" As a European, I have to say that bj0rn may not always speak for me, but neither does Coldfire "

OK. This clearly means that Dunno sometimes does not agree with me. Which is fine. Or did I miss something ?

" - we are not all wetting ourselves to be little mock-Americans - or Wankies, as I believe I may have heard them called "

Mock-Americans as in people who like to make fun of Americans, such as, say, bj0rn ? No, we Europeans do not all fit THAT profile, that's for sure..... but what are you saying ? That I am ? Or that I am, like you, NOT compatible with the mock-Americans defintion you provided ?

Please explain. Other people thought you were attacking me. You might not wanna leave that impression.....


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[bj0rn]

well this is interesting. thank you Durnovarianus for your kind words. sometimes i wonder if people are incapable of doing something like this, but you proved me wrong :)

Rousseau: verði þér að góðu ;)
i had no trouble understanding what Durnovarianus said. but you a native speaker(correct me if im wrong there)can not comprehend it. if you can insert words that would suit much better than the words used, great! but shut the bloody well up about it *sigh*. im not harrassing you for bad icelandic(this is a far fetched shot, if you dont understand it, ignore it).

hey, ho...coldfire! where did you come up with that one?? me...mocking wankers or -ies?
i did not! (here you insert "yes you did" and back it up with some quotes to which i reply: "no unprovoked mockings there...all in the spirit of the pit :)")

have a nice day
bj0rn

[Coldfire]

Damn ! My monitor is acting up again. I'm getting all sorts of static and stuff every 10th post or so. Isn't it the weirdest thing ?


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[bj0rn]

you know, i saw a silly thing once. i guess you have all seen it so let me be brief.
there is this guy who blames his monitor for his computers mistakes. and boy oh boy, in this age of microsofts windows 9x i bloody well wish it was true. long live ignorance because with knowledge we realize how ignorant we are.

bj0rn - what you see is what you get :)
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im not a case-sensitive person, just thank heavens i like spaces!

[WallyM7]

Huh?

[Rousseau]

OH HO! Did I just hear bj0rnito, of all people, affront MY ability to comprehend English? "SELF-OPINIONATED" IS NOT A WORD. I suppose "Self-appointed" is technically a word, but I really don't see how it fits in this context. Apparently I "appointed myself." To what, I do not know.

Apparently, bj0rn, you have just now discovered the magic of compound words, but you don't quite have a grasp on the concept yet. As for other words that could be substituted, I s'pose "brilliant," "studley," "dashing," or "heroic" could be used.
And for your information, bj0rn, Coldfire was blaming his monitor for your mistakes. So I s'pose the "ignorance" that you are referring to would be your own. If this is true, then it is the first sensible thing that you have said so far.
But as for the unintelligable:
Rousseau: verði þér að góðu
This makes more sense to me than a good deal of your English posts. Go figure.
if you can insert words that would suit much better than the words used, great! but shut the bloody well up about it *sigh*. im not harrassing you for bad icelandic(this is a far fetched shot, if you dont understand it, ignore it).
You know, it blows my mind the way you keep topping yourself. The truly hilarious thing about this (which I nominate as your worst butchery of the English language to date) is that it directly follows your attack on MY English skills.
Wow. You ARE a piece of work, bj0rn.


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God aften, verld...

Well, where to begin?

bj0rn: you're very welcome - I enjoy your posts tremendously, particularly in this context... I hope you will carry on for as long as it gives you amusement to do so

Coldfire: as you say, yes, I'm disagreeing with you, no, I didn't particularly set out to attack you - I must get into the habit of editing before posting, not thinking about it afterwards... However, since I did post it, I am obliged to explain it:

"Wankies" was a term briefly in use here in the late 80s to describe Brits who went too far in trying to assimilate US culture (wankies <> Yankees, Rouss - it rhymes - clever, isn't it?); they ended up becoming sycophants of, and bad imitations of, Americans - "mock-Americans", in fact - like "mock-turtle" - "mock" in this context = fake, sham. The point of the remark was this: You can say what you like about bj0rn for as long as you like, although as I hope I've made clear, I think you're dead wrong; BUT in going so far as to apologise on behalf of Europe* to a mostly American public, entirely unnecessarily, you lose balance and hurtle towards "wankiedom" - ie, you demean both yourself, which is your prerogative, if their good opinion is so important to you that you feel you need to do this, and the rest of Europe, which is very much not your prerogative at all. To bring me back to my last post, you do not speak for me, and it annoys me that you seem to imply that you can apologise on my behalf (as a European) for sth that needs no apology to begin with. I hope that clarifies it. I do not especially insist on the precise wording, but I do stand by the concept.

(*and I can't find the message offhand but I know it's not far away...)

I did not intend to have a go at you particularly, and I have read lots of your previous posts with enjoyment, but on this one point you go too far.

For the rest, no, of course I'm not bj0rn - can't you tell a native speaker? I use capitals correctly, and my English is so good that Rousseau doesn't even know half the words - buy (borrow, steal) a dictionary, sonshine... although you wd have to learn the alphabet to use it...

Dobranoc wszystkich...

SELF-OPINIONATED IS NOT A WORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!

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[Rousseau]

[QUOTE]For the rest, no, of course I'm not bj0rn - can't you tell a native speaker? I use capitals correctly, [QUOTE]
Feels good to take a shot at bj0rn's grammer, doesn't it. You can deny it all you want, but you know you like it.

And I figured out that you were bj0rn when you used the word sycophant. Oh well, just a hypothesis that didn't pan out. I guess an apology is in order, since accusing someone of being bj0rn is just about as bad an insult as you can get around here. You have to admit, though, that that first post was most definetly bj0rn-ish.

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[Coldfire]

European guy posts in an awful, incomprehensible matter.

Other European guy states, maybe unnecessarily, that first guy is certainly not a representative example of the entire continent (yeah, it DOES matter what some people on these MB's think of me, and I would not be ashamed to post an ignorance-disclaimer as described here). By no means does he claim to represent every European poster on this board, let alone the continent of Europe as a whole.

Third guy, first incomprehensibly, then more elaborated, states that he sure as hell does not need people to defend him from the opinion of American or any other posters on this board. As was already easily deductable from the previous posts by the second European poster.

Third European guy turns out to be a Limey. Figures :)

Seems to me you're basically explaining to everyone that you don't want to be considered as part of the European continent per se.

Now who's the REAL wankie here ?


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"You know how complex women are"
- Neil Peart, Rush (1993)

::debating whether she really should apply for that EEC passport::

Return to your regularly scheduled flaming, alredy in progress.

-Melin

[elelle]

Ya gotta keep yer eyes on those Brits, Coldfire. Remember, they stoled New York.(that'd be with a wink)

[bj0rn]

rousseau, about your english skills:
SOCRATES: I cannot help feeling, Phaedrus, that writing is unfortunately
like painting; for the creations of the painter have the attitude of life,
and yet if you ask them a question they preserve a solemn silence.

the ability to see the painting isnt the same as understanding it. (no mocking intended)

socrates :(snipped)...to all of them we are to say that if
their compositions are based on knowledge of the truth, and they can defend
or prove them, when they are put to the test, by spoken arguments, which
leave their writings poor in comparison of them, then they are to be
called, not only poets, orators, legislators, but are worthy of a higher
name, befitting the serious pursuit of their life.

this quote says it all

bj0rn - surrounded by case-sensitive people

[Dingle]

Excuse me, I don't mean to hijack, but as I stated in the "Confessions of a Troll" thread, I am Dingle, he is Dingus. Please do not confuse the two or assume I am an alter ego. I'm a nice person, with nice posts (just a touch of road rage) who doesn't want to be associated with this seemingly unpopular person. And since I'm nice, I will now leave the Pit.

Back to the topic at hand. Thank you for your time.

[Rousseau]

bj0rn, you ignorant slut.

Do you understand that our language has rules? I know that you speak Viking over there in Iceland, and I'm not sure if your language has any rules, but ours does. And you seem hell-bent on disobeying EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

You obviously missed the point of the quote that you quoted. Not that I expect you to understand things like that, but whatever. Socrates was referring to writing in the artistic form, like poetry or prose. Here at the SDMB, we are trying to share ideas in the most comprehendable, while still eloquent, manner possible. The writing in this forum has exactly nil to do with painting. Our goal here is to understand and to be understood. Making up words and ignoring grammer rules most certainly impedes this, wouldn't ya say?
The point is that we are trying to communicate ideas here over a written forum. It follows therefore that proper grammer and real words are kind of essential. Maybe you can take your posts to a poetry board, and see what they make of it. Who knows, they may understand you.

But as for the SDMB, until you start obeying the rules of our written language, you are going to find it very difficult to be taken seriously.

And until you stop pissing people off, you are going to find it very hard to drag your Icelandic ass out of the Pit.

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The IQ of a group is equal to the IQ of the dumbest member divided by the number of people in the group.

24 hours have gone by - but not here - oh the joy and stability of the Pit!

Rousseau: don't apologise - as a pro-bj0rnite, I took it as a compliment - and yes, it was a word, wasn't it?

Coldfire - gone on to better things, presumably, since I see we now have a Coldfire/bj0rn thread head-to-head - great stuff. I'll be off there directly, but for the record, so as not to look as if I slunk off under cover of dark, the following (briefly):
yes, what the heck, I'll be the wankie - what does it matter? I think it's a good word, and I may even include it in a new name - omni-not has made over "Brad"(thank-you thank-you) so Durno-Brad-the-Limey-Wankie-anus cd well be on the cards - hell, I've got taste...

For the rest, I thought I had a good point - and if I practise long and hard, one day I will not only have a good point, I'll even manage to put it across in such a way that other people see what it is too.

And now, off to my present third*-favourite occupation, watching Coldfire being irritated...


*1 - eat 2) - sleep

[Coldfire]

Sorry, Durno.

It didn't work. Your last post doesn't irritate me at all. Ya warm-beer-drinkin' Limey bastard :)


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"You know how complex women are"
- Neil Peart, Rush (1993)

Nothing wrong with warm beer

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Algebraic formula for Dingus.


C#3 minus I.Q. = Dingus

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YO-HO, ME HEARTIES! ALL HANDS ON DECK FOR THE MUSICAL BATTLE AT SEA!

[bj0rn]

rousseau: i dont want to get into a philosophical debate here in the pit. but let me tell you that your view of phaedrus is very narrow-minded. if not wrong.

i have also pointed out that this is not my native language. so you cant yell at me for doing it wrong. you can correct me. but that isnt what you are doing.

Our goal here is to understand and to be understood. Making up words and ignoring grammer rules most certainly impedes this, wouldn't ya say?
oh yes you are right about that. tell me, why are you yelling at me if you dont even understand what im saying?
eh...one more thing, "ya" isnt a word :)

i would perhaps make more comments, but Durnovarianus put me in such a good mood that i dont want to spoil it.

thank you kindly
bj0rn

[andros]

rant

I really hate to say this, but I think I'll have to nominate Phaedrus as Troll du jour. I gave him the benefit of the doubt for a long while, and defended him more than once. But I am now thoroughly of the opinion that he is posting simply to stroke his own ego and watch people get angry at his solipsistic and deliberately inflammatory posts.

This is the first and hopefully the last thing I'll post in the Pit about him.

/rant

-andros-

[bj0rn]

andros: you realize of course that i was talking about platos phaedrus?
other referances to phaedrus are not a part of this thread

bj0rn

[Kat]

1) If "self-opinionated" is a word, please provide a dictionary definition, with cite.

2) "Self-appointed" is an adjective. You cannot call someone "a self-appointed"; you need to have a noun "a self-appointed _____".

3)
i have also pointed out that this is not my native language. so you cant yell at me for doing it wrong. you can correct me. but that isnt what you are doing.
You have done rather well, learning those punctuation marks that exist only in English, but you still have some work to do in regards to learning those capital letters that exist only in English.

4)
eh...one more thing, "ya" isnt a word

It is a phonetical spelling of a dialectal pronunciation of the word "you". These things (phonetical spelling, dialects and different pronunciations) are more things that exist only in English.

Please excuse me now, I must say 50 "Hail Cecil"s for having responded to the bj0rn. It won't happen again.

[bj0rn]

thank you kat.

i have said it before, on the internet i dont capitalize and this; "'" i dont have to use as long as words as "ya" exist as a phonetical spelling of the word "you".

bj0rn

[Kat]

I lied. But it won't happen again after this post.

There's a difference between spelling one word in a post phonetically and misspelling four our of every five words in a post because you're too lazy to make your post comprehensible.

[Kat]

That should be "four out of five". And before the bj0rn has a happy fit, there's also a difference between one typo in a post and misspelling 80% of the words in a post.

Kat

If you're criticising my posts, address yourself to me, not bj0rn

"self-opinionated...: obstinately adhering to one's point of view" (Chambers Twentieth Century Dictionary). This is a standard English dictionary but perhaps not known in America. If that's not good enough, try the multi-volume Oxford

Looking back at what I wrote so very very long ago, I see that I referred to "the self-opinionated / self-appointed": it is an ellipse - you are supposed yourself to supply after "self-appointed" the appropriate word - which has I think to be "morons" or "tossers" or "shitheads"...

I hate to say it, because you seem a nice person, but what you are doing is almost the same as somebody posting to point out to you that Kat was spelled with a C...

:) (I think)

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[Rousseau]

I gotta stick up for Durno here, Kat. Agreed, you cannot call someone a "self-appointed." But you can refer to "the self-appointed," meaning the group of people who are self-appointed, just like you can refer to "the pompous," or "the pretentious."

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[andros]

Björn said:

you realize of course that i was talking about platos phaedrus? other referances to phaedrus are not a part of this thread

Yes, I realize what you were speaking about. I was responding to the OP. References to Phaedrus (the poster) are a part of this thread now. It is not solely about you.

-andros-

[Kat]

If you're criticising my posts, address yourself to me, not bj0rn

But I wasn't all ashamed of myself for responding to your posts, only the bj0rn's. Thus only the bj0rn was mentioned in the absolution request.

"self-opinionated... Obstinately adhering to one's point of view" (Chambers Twentieth Century Dictionary). This is a standard English dictionary but perhaps not known in America. If that's not good enough, try the multi-volume Oxford

Thank you very much.

But you can refer to "the self-appointed,"

Except that he was referring to a single person as a self-appointed (something). Anyway, he clarified what he meant in the post above yours.

somebody posting to point out to you that Kat was spelled with a C...

Naw, no C in Kat. If it was spelled with a C, then it'd be Cat. Or Kac. Kct?

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Semper Ubi Sub Ubi

There, there, dear - back to the vet's in the morning...

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[bj0rn]

References to Phaedrus (the poster) eh, what poster? please explain.

im not getting involved into a grammar debate. please leave do not include my name in a post if there are any referances to grammar and spelling.

thank you
bj0rn

[Yue Han]

Bj0rn, Phaedrus is a poster on this message board who Andros is adding to the troll list. 5 pages ago, there was an OP. It had to do with listing posters on the Board who should be considered trolls. The fact that the poster in question has the same name as someone in a dialogue you've been quoting is an unpleasant coincidence. It has nothing to do with you.

--John

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[bj0rn]

thanks, i knew that much. i tried to find that user name a while ago but the search didnt come up with any posts, so i reasoned there was no poster called phaedrus. but just now i saw him posting in the great debates.

i am puzzled though. the first referance to phaedrus in this thread is on page 4 and was made by myself, so why has phaedrus the poster been dragged into this thread without his name ever been written here in connection to this thread.

bj0rn

[Yue Han]

Phaedrus the poster was brought into this thread because- READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY BJ0RN-

This is not a thread about you. You have tried to make it about you. It is not. It is a thread where people list trolls. Hence the name, "Troll list." Phaedrus is a troll. Therefore, Andros listed him here, where trolls are to be listed.

--John

[bj0rn]

*sigh*
yeah...but at that time i didnt know of a poster called phaedrus, i looked for him, by searching for any posts he would have made, but couldnt find any. so thats why i said what i said about other referances about phaedrus were not a part of this thread. a simple misunderstanding where no one is to blame, why are you so upset about it?

bj0rn

[Yue Han]

I'm not upset, I'm trying to explain. However, you seem to understand. You almost seemed to understand in the post before your last one. Is this a verb tense problem? Did you mean that AT ONE TIME you wondered what Phaedrus had to do with anything but now you understand what is going on?

-John

[krish]

searching for any posts he would have made, but couldnt find any

The search engine doesn't work correctly, bj0rn. They have fixed some problems, but others still remain.

[bj0rn]

as i said, yes i now understand whats going on. and thank you krish for pointing that out :)

one big misunderstanding - thats all

bj0rn

[andros]

Thanks, John.

[The_Peyote_Coyote]

Sorry to interrupt the bj0rn-bashing, but to get back to the original point of this thread, I nominate Phaedrus as troll of the week.

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Armed, dangerous....
and off my medication.

[Coldfire]

I'll second that.


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"You know how complex women are"
- Neil Peart, Rush (1993)

[andros]

Peyote, Coldfire, I beat both of you, guys.

posted 11-04-1999 09:47 PMI really hate to say this, but I think I'll have to nominate Phaedrus as Troll du jour. I gave him the benefit of the doubt for a long while, and defended him more than once. But I am now thoroughly of the opinion that he is posting simply to stroke his own ego and watch people get angry at his solipsistic and deliberately inflammatory posts.

This is the first and hopefully the last thing I'll post in the Pit about him.

So I'm posting about him again. So sue.


Oh, sorry. Y'all nominated him Troll of the week. I nominated him troll du jour. Never mind. Carry on.

-andros-

[UncleBeer]

Sigh, we're hot on the trail of another on over in GD. This one calls itself, "Cheeseybloke." As evidence I present this:
http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000645.html

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Dopeler effect:
The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly.

[andros]

Nah, Beer. The one you want is:
www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000622.html (http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000622.html) where he says:

It's all balls if you ask me.
and
Government conspiracies are a complete waste of time and I think that all of you who wish to discuss the validity of such subjects are ultimately sad.

Clearly a sad little spud who likes to see his name in print (ok, on screen).

Still and all, the stinky cheese thread is pretty funny . . .

-andros-

[WallyM7]

Andros, it's funny because you guys made it funny.

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This space for rent.

[andros]

Do the funny ends justify the trolling means?

[The_Peyote_Coyote]

Actually, andros, I would prefer to see Phaedrus as troll au jus.

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Armed, dangerous....
and off my medication.

[Coldfire]

We've got a new Troll in MPSIMS: Sweetness_Smackdown.

Check out the "Sup" thread.


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"You know how complex women are"
- Neil Peart, Rush (1993)

[andros]

MPSIMS troll? Isn't that a little redundant?

troll au jus . . . that's gonna keep me going all day! :)