Carrie Prejean vs. Larry King [merged threads]

[DiosaBellissima]

And the real question is: does she even know what that word means?

See the video for yourself here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVsvkwVOZiU&feature=player_embedded)

I always thought Prejean came across as a twit, but this just takes the cake. For cryin' out loud. . .




For those who can't watch, Larry prefaces his question by saying he knows the mediation with the Miss CA organization is confidential, but asks what her motivations for settling would be if she felt she was doing what was right. He asks this question no less than 3 different ways and she is clearly confused. She takes off her microphone (as they take a call from a gay man, oddly enough) and sits there staring blankly at the camera, then talking to someone off to the side.

[torie]

She understood the question. She didn't want to answer it because doing so would force her to admit that she cares more for money-grubbing and attention-whoring than her disgusting principle.

That woman makes me sick.

[DiosaBellissima]

Or that they showed her (and her mother, apparently) a video of her diddling herself. Oopsies, Christian values.

[torie]

Or that they showed her (and her mother, apparently) a video of her diddling herself. Oopsies, Christian values.

Beh, those only matter when you're denying others their rights, not when it comes to examining your own behavior! Didn't you get the memo?

[Discipline]

she is clearly confused.

Yeah, this is pretty much her whole shtick.

[DiosaBellissima]

Beh, those only matter when you're denying others their rights, not when it comes to examining your own behavior! Didn't you get the memo?

I would like to deny her the right to diddle herself. Can I do that?

I have no good reason, I'm just mean spirited. I like to be able to do things I know other people can't. Makes it that much better, ya know.

[torie]

I would like to deny her the right to diddle herself. Can I do that?

I have no good reason, I'm just mean spirited. I like to be able to do things I know other people can't. Makes it that much better, ya know.

Do so with my blessing. :)

[Morgenstern]

If you saw Larry King with Carrie Prejean featured, you saw a pissed off Carrie Prejean acting like a spoiled brat. Nice manipulation of facts Larry, you friggen bedwetter. I've got Carrie's back on this one. Here is a little info on the issue if anyone is interested.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/12/carrie-prejean-threatens_n_354891.html


Larry, listen up...
You forgot to explain to the public that you had agreed, before hand, NOT to talk about her lawsuit against the Miss California pageant. That's reasonable on her part. Yet, you blurted out a question about it and mock her "inappropriate" comment.


You also forgot to mention that you had agreed NOT to take call-in questions. Then you took call-in questions. Honorable not Larry. If that's not bad enough, you presented Carrie as a spoiled brat when she objected to what you had done. She's not. She was nicer than I would have been. I blame you Larry. You agreed to conditions and you failed to keep them.

Larry, you're a pantload on this one.

[Michael Ellis]

Larry King = human fungus.

[Jackmannii]

Dang, I thought this would be a thread kicking Larry King's butt for being a clueless enabler of ignorant B-list celebs who spout bullshit about vaccination and cancer treatment.

Guess that'll have to wait for another time.

[Contrapuntal]

Can the OP provide a link to those alleged agreements? So far it's just her word, right?

[Morgenstern]

Can the OP provide a link to those alleged agreements? So far it's just her word, right?

The local news (she lives in our neighborhood) this morning presented the story from both sides. I don't know if I could provide any more than the news repeating what Carrie had said the agreement was though. Her immediate reaction to the question and her comments do give credit to her position.

[Jack Batty]

Then I pit Prejean for going on Larry King and demanding that he not ask questions or take phone calls like he does on every other show he's ever done in his entire life ... which is approximately 800 years, if I'm not mistaken.

Can't this moron get a spot on Hannity if she just wants her bunny petted?

[spoike]

While the article the OP linked states that Prejean was 17 when she made the sex tape, according to an interview posted last night on TMZ (http://www.tmz.com/), she lied. The ex-boyfriend for whom she made the tape says that she was, in fact, 20 years old. He also states that it was not the only explicit video she sent him, which directly contradicts her story.

Further, when initially shown the video, she immediately denied it was her until a shot of her face contradicted her. Finally, she tried the whole "I was underage!" thing when her topless photos came out, as well, and was once again lying, as she was 19.

Ms. Prejean has a history of being dishonest if it serves her cause. Though it's possible she was being truthful this time, I'm not terribly inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt.

[Robot Arm]

This is the woman who was all in favor of free speech, right?

You forgot to explain to the public that you had agreed, before hand, NOT to talk about her lawsuit against the Miss California pageant.So what was she planning on talking about?

[Smeghead]

Then I pit Prejean for going on Larry King and demanding that he not ask questions or take phone calls like he does on every other show he's ever done in his entire life ... which is approximately 800 years, if I'm not mistaken.

We could still pit King for allegedly agreeing to all those ridiculous conditions before breaking them.

[WPA-Guy]

So what was she planning on talking about?

She was there to shill her book. Watch the video -- she keeps bringing the book into frame.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

I don't believe we have any evidence that such agreements existed. Prejean says "she was told she wouldn't have to take calls." Told by who? When does LK ever not take calls? I don't believe her.

I don't see anything in the article indicating she had an agreement that she wouldn't be asked about her lawsuit either, just her whining and pouting that it was "inappropriate."

I can't see any reason to attack Larry King here. I just see a spoiled little bitch who thinks her 15 seconds should be all about her basking in love and adoration while she tells her heart rending personal story.

I don't like it when interviewers pander to those kinds of agreements from guests anyway, and certainly see no reason they should be honored.

When does her fuck tape come out?

[Ferret Herder]

Just noting that asking about the agreement isn't anything special to him. I saw clips from another one of the interviews she's gone on recently (I think it was the Today show?) where she was questioned about why she had agreed to a settlement. I wouldn't be surprised if all the other shows she's been on lately had done so.

I'd like someone to ask her about her understanding of "free speech" and the First Amendment, personally, since last I checked she's still wailing about how her "right to free speech" has been abridged.

[Really Not All That Bright]

I'm fairly certain this is the first and only time Larry King will ever be pitted for actually acting like a journalist. The man could make Pol Pot seem like a sympathetic figure.

[Morgenstern]

I watched the tapes again. Although they may have been edited and that editing could taint the viewer's opinion, you can clearly see several things.

As soon as Larry anounces that they are taking a viewer call, Carrie looks over her right shoulder and mouths something. What she mouthed I couldn't make out. Immediately thereafter she begins taking her microphone off. It is unclear whether or not she heard the question from the caller, a gay man asking something about gay marriage. It seems odd that she would terminate the interview based on a single call, the substance of which she probably never heard, unless such an agreement existed.

Larry was dealing off the bottom of the deck here by making her departure look unwarranted.

[Robot Arm]

I'd like someone to ask her about her understanding of "free speech" and the First Amendment, personally, since last I checked she's still wailing about how her "right to free speech" has been abridged.I've heard lots of second-hand accounts of her saying that, but nothing direct. If anyone does have a specific quote from her about "free speech" I think it would be an interesting contribution here.

For King's part in this (pending confirmation of the facts), yeah, he sucks, too.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Cite that she was given an agreement (an unprecedented agreement) that she wouldn't have to take calls on the show?

Prejean has a history of lying through her teeth. Larry King does not have any history of being duplicious with guests. His reputation is just the opposite, that he's a doormat for them.

Until you can actually provide some proof that an agreement existed, then I think we have to conclude that the event was just what it looked like -- a snotty little non-celebrity having a snit-fit.

Actually, even if there was an agreement on calls (and I don't believe for a second that there was, since LK never does that), I still don't care. I would actually give kudos to LK for NOT honoring such an agreement.

[Really Not All That Bright]

I think the "free speech" stuff is coming from conflations of her post-Miss America comments and this story. I can't find any report of her complaining about abrogation of her freedom of speech with regard to her Larry King appearance.

Unfortunately, I also can't find her sex tape, which is mildly disappointing, 'cause that bitch is hot.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to take a shower - in performing research for this post, I just visited Conservapaedia for the first time.

[tacoloco]

Larry was dealing off the bottom of the deck here by making her departure look unwarranted.

Who cares, really?

The ONLY thing interesting about this woman is that she's attractive and there's a sex tape out there somewhere (which sadly, I won't be looking for, since there is doubt about how old she was when it was made).

Poor little attention whore maybe got blindsided by Larry King. My advice is if she wants to run with the big dogs, she better toughen up.

[WPA-Guy]

KING: We're back with Carrie Prejean. She's the author of "Still Standing." That book is available everywhere. We'll take a call or two for Carrie in a moment. You sued the pageant after they fired you. They counter-sued. And then you accused them of a number of things including religious discrimination, clearly an issue very important to you. Why did you settle? You don't have to tell me the terms of the settlement. But why settle, since you had a fight to carry on?

PREJEAN: Larry, everything that was discussed in mediation -- I'll say it again -- is completely confidential. I'm not going to be able to talk about that. So I'm just letting you know that ahead of time.

KING: So you can't even say why you settled? That's not -- how does that break what you settled for. I'm not asking you what the settlement was.

PREJEAN: It's a confidential agreement and I'm not allowed to talk about that. So --

KING: So the agreement discusses the motive behind why each party agreed?

PREJEAN: Larry, you're being inappropriate. You really are. So I'm not going to --

KING: What? I'm asking a question.

PREJEAN: I'm not going to talk about anything discussed in mediation. It was a confidential settlement.

KING: All I'm asking -- so -- All right. So what you're saying is, in mediation, it was discussed why you were mediating?

PREJEAN: Larry, it's completely confidential. And you're being inappropriate, OK?

KING: All right. Inappropriate King Live continues. Detroit, hello.

Note: Bolding is Mine.

You can read the transcript here:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/11/lkl.01.html

[Robot Arm]

I think the "free speech" stuff is coming from conflations of her post-Miss America comments and this story.Oh, the free speech stuff was about her pageant appearance and the public reaction to her comments, all of which made no sense anyway. If that same person then tried to restrict what King could say, or if callers could say anything at all, I think that would be just beyond ridiculous.

[Really Not All That Bright]

She is almost certainly required to keep the terms and conditions of the settlement confidential, by the terms of the settlement itself. However, I would be extremely surprised if discussing the mediation was verboten.

It's not a bad tactic to pretend it is, though, since most people have a vague idea that "settlements are confidential".

[tacoloco]

"KING: All right. Inappropriate King Live continues. Detroit, hello"

That's pretty damned funny, IMO.

And this one is just plain dumb:

"KING: All I'm asking -- so -- All right. So what you're saying is, in mediation, it was discussed why you were mediating?"

--

What we don't know is if LK was aware of preconditions before Prejean agreed to come on the show.

[Contrapuntal]

She is almost certainly required to keep the terms and conditions of the settlement confidential, by the terms of the settlement itself. However, I would be extremely surprised if discussing the mediation was verboten.It's possible she just doesn't want to since apparently she got her ass kicked in the mediation.

[Morgenstern]

Cite that she was given an agreement (an unprecedented agreement) that she wouldn't have to take calls on the show?



(quote edited by me...)

I pointed that out in post #5 the "cite" problem. Dio...

Agreeing not to talk isn't uncommon at all. Most people involved in lawsuits refuse to discuss the matters. If Larry didn't know that, his producers certainly should have.

[Shot From Guns]

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to take a shower - in performing research for this post, I just visited Conservapaedia for the first time.

Given the previous sentence (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11770288&postcount=17), that was not how I thought that statement was going to end.

[Really Not All That Bright]

It might have turned out differently if I'd found the video instead.

[rivulus]

What a crybaby. Not surprising that Sarah Palin is her hero -- she learned that when the going gets tough... you quit. Pick up your marbles, take off your mike, and threaten to go home. Boo hoo.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

(quote edited by me...)

I pointed that out in post #5 the "cite" problem. Dio...

Agreeing not to talk isn't uncommon at all. Most people involved in lawsuits refuse to discuss the matters. If Larry didn't know that, his producers certainly should have.
He didn't ask her to discuss the settlement. Settlement agreements do not preclude anyone from saying why they settled. He didn't ask her for any terms.

[Really Not All That Bright]

Most settlement agreements do not. You don't know if this one did, for whatever reason - there could conceivably have been some of the pageants own dirty laundry aired during the mediation too.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Who cares, really?

The ONLY thing interesting about this woman is that she's attractive and there's a sex tape out there somewhere (which sadly, I won't be looking for, since there is doubt about how old she was when it was made).
The boyfriend she made it for says she was 20, and that it was one of several. He's also said that she and her people had been calling him and asking him to lie about her age, but he refused, not the least of which because she was simultaneously trashing him in the media.

[Shodan]

For those who can't watch, Larry prefaces his question by saying he knows the mediation with the Miss CA organization is confidential, but asks what her motivations for settling would be if she felt she was doing what was right. He asks this question no less than 3 different ways and she is clearly confused. She's not confused; King just keeps asking her about a subject she apparently believes they agreed not to cover. She refuses to answer, he persists.

Then the first call the screener lets thru is a gay guy asking her something about gay marriage.

No wonder her hero is Sarah Palin - they have a lot in common. Every interview is going to be attempts to discredit and demean her.

Liberals can tolerate anything except disagreement, and value all diversity except diversity of opinion.

Regards,
Shodan

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Most settlement agreements do not. You don't know if this one did, for whatever reason - there could conceivably have been some of the pageants own dirty laundry aired during the mediation too.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say it didn't. She didn't even really SAY there was an agreement not to talk about the reason she settled, she just tried to vaguely imply that it was part of the agreement, which it wasn't. She just didn't want to admit they kicked her ass in mediation.

[Really Not All That Bright]

Sure, but if Larry and/or his producers agreed not to ask about the mediation and/or take calls, his behavior was indeed inappropriate.

[Morgenstern]

And I disagree Diogenes. She said It's a confidential agreement and I'm not allowed to talk about that. If that was in fact, the first Larry heard about it, he should have dropped it then and there. The fact that she believes that she's not permitted to discuss it is all that's important. Was she overly cautions? Neither you nor I have any way of knowing that.

[Raygun99]

[QUOTE=Shodan;11770464
Then the first call the screener lets thru is a gay guy asking her something about gay marriage.
[/QUOTE]

Seeing as how that issue is the only reason anyone's ever heard of her, that seems like a pretty appropriate line of questioning. Nor was it an unfair question: "What would you tell a gay friend who said he wanted to get married?" That's the crux of it, no?

[DigitalC]

She's not confused; King just keeps asking her about a subject she apparently believes they agreed not to cover. She refuses to answer, he persists.

Then the first call the screener lets thru is a gay guy asking her something about gay marriage.

No wonder her hero is Sarah Palin - they have a lot in common. Every interview is going to be attempts to discredit and demean her.

Liberals can tolerate anything except disagreement, and value all diversity except diversity of opinion.

Regards,
Shodan

What other subject could there possibly be to talk to the twit about?

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Sure, but if Larry and/or his producers agreed not to ask about the mediation and/or take calls, his behavior was indeed inappropriate.
There is no evidence, nor (as far as I can see) even an assertion by Prejean that they had an agreement as to whether she would be asked why she settled, and there is only her own word that she had an agreement not to take calls. I don't buy that she had an agreement for either (especially the calls), but I don't really care even if she did, because agreements like that are made to be pissed on.

[gonzomax]

What's confidential about it? They had a pretrial conference where she complained about her religious views being disrespected. The lawyer just turned around a laptop with her sex tape running on it. Her religious stance is a farce. She was looking for a payday and a chance to roast the "liberal" press. She has been a very poorly chosen tool of the righties. They should run fast and far from her.

[Contrapuntal]

Seeing as how that issue is the only reason anyone's ever heard of her, that seems like a pretty appropriate line of questioning. Nor was it an unfair question: "What would you tell a gay friend who said he wanted to get married?" That's the crux of it, no?According to her, King had agreed not to talk about the mediation, and not to take any phone calls. That seems unlikely to me, but that's her story.

[yojimbo]

For those who can't watch, Larry prefaces his question by saying he knows the mediation with the Miss CA organization is confidential, but asks what her motivations for settling would be if she felt she was doing what was right. .Supposedly she was initially asking for a lot of money but settled almost straight away once she was shown a copy of a video of her pleasuring herself. That would have been shown in court if she continued to press the case.

This is obviously what King was hinting at.

[tacoloco]

he should have dropped it then and there.

Why?

He's a friggin' talk show host. Seems to me he was doing his job in trying to prod her to talk about stuff.

And this coming from someone who thinks Larry King is a tool.

[Lightnin']

Liberals can tolerate anything except disagreement, and value all diversity except diversity of opinion.


You know, you could save yourself a lot of effort (and the SDMB a lot of pixels) if you just replied to every thread with "Conservatives can do no wrong. Liberals are big mean poopyheads. No matter what."

[Raygun99]

According to her, King had agreed not to talk about the mediation, and not to take any phone calls. That seems unlikely to me, but that's her story.

She also claimed she didn't have a sex tape until confronted with it.

[Marley23]

Merged DiosaBellissima's thread (started in MPSIMS) with Morganstern's (in the Pit) because of the similar content and tone.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

And I disagree Diogenes. She said It's a confidential agreement and I'm not allowed to talk about that.
If she was trying to imply that she was forbidden to talk about why she settled, then she was lying.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

She also claimed she didn't have a sex tape until confronted with it.
Then she denied it was her in the tape. Then she lied about how old she was in the tape. Then she lied about it being the only one.

That's what makes it hard to believe she had any agreement about taking calls. Not only does she have no credibility to begin with, but she's claiming she was claiming she was given an agreement LK never gives to anyone. She's full of shit.

[Rhythmdvl]

You forgot to explain to the public that you had agreed, before hand, NOT to talk about her lawsuit against the Miss California pageant.

You also forgot to mention that you had agreed NOT to take call-in questions. Then you took call-in questions.

Wait ... what? Carrie Prejean is a Visitor?! :eek:





Also, perhaps she was just taking the safe route -- rather than risk misinterpreting the agreement or saying too much, she's just taking the easy course and refusing to answer any questions about it. Very similar to a lawyer who won't answer any personalized legal questions at a cocktail party; not that he couldn't, just that it's too much of a minefield to pick and choose on the fly. (Didn't we have a Pit thead meltdown about this?)

[Diogenes the Cynic]

It's fine for her to refuse to answer, but there was nothing inappropriate about LK asking the question. Why the hell does she think she gets on shows like that at all, if not to answer the questions about the Miss America flap?

[Raygun99]

Hey, if she didn't want to talk about it, she didn't have to. But also didn't have to go on a live national call-in show.

[Robot Arm]

Liberals can tolerate anything except disagreement, and value all diversity except diversity of opinion.Yes, clearly the liberal media is attempting to slience her by having her as a guest on TheToday Show, The View, and Larry King Live.

Oh, how much more suppression can this poor girl stand?

[Really Not All That Bright]

There is no evidence, nor (as far as I can see) even an assertion by Prejean that they had an agreement as to whether she would be asked why she settled, and there is only her own word that she had an agreement not to take calls. I don't buy that she had an agreement for either (especially the calls), but I don't really care even if she did, because agreements like that are made to be pissed on.
See, that last line is where you lose people. The fact that all broadcast journalists are liars and will creatively edit interviews to make their subjects look good (or bad) does not mean it's alright.
If she was trying to imply that she was forbidden to talk about why she settled, then she was lying.
You don't know that, and Larry hasn't accused her of lying on that point, as far as I can tell. Is she a habitual liar? Sure. That doesn't mean she's always lying.

Hijack: why is it inappropriate for Miss America to have a sex tape and let people take pictures of her tits? The primary qualification for the job is looking good strutting around in a bikini, for fuck's sake.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

It's not inappropriate at all. I wish they'd all do it.

[Bryan Ekers]

I've got Carrie's back on this one.

Can I have her front?

[Miller]

If she was trying to imply that she was forbidden to talk about why she settled, then she was lying.

Now, be fair, Dio. It's entirely possible that she's simply too stupid to understand the conditions of her settlement, and honestly thinks she's not allowed to say anything about it at all.

[Morgenstern]

It's fine for her to refuse to answer, but there was nothing inappropriate about LK asking the question. Why the hell does she think she gets on shows like that at all, if not to answer the questions about the Miss America flap?

Her refusal to comment on any part of the litigation is reasonable and not at all deceptive. I've seen hundreds if not thousands of interviews where all questions regarding pending litigation were not answered, and never once did I think they were lying to avoid answering.

She's on the show because she's a celebrity, albeit a small one. Crap, Octa-mom wins the Breeder's cup and she's a celebrity, why not Carrie?

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Prejean is only a "celebrity" because she ran her mouth off at a beauty pagent. There is no other reason to put her on TV and interview her except to ask her about that one incident and the subsequent flap.

If she's not going to talk about that stuff, then she has no business going on the show. There is no other reason to put her on the air (unless she's going to get them out, of course).

[Vinyl Turnip]

Well, I for one would love to listen to her rattle off trite platitudes about preserving "opposite" marriage and loving America, and I'm very cross with Mr. King for denying me that pleasure.

[Morgenstern]

Prejean is only a "celebrity" because she ran her mouth off at a beauty pagent. There is no other reason to put her on TV and interview her except to ask her about that one incident and the subsequent flap.


I hardly think answering a question she was asked (which is part of the pageant) is "running her mouth off." She's defended her view in the past and there is no reason to believe she won't again.


If she's not going to talk about that stuff, then she has no business going on the show. There is no other reason to put her on the air (unless she's going to get them out, of course).

She refused to discuss the case, not "that stuff." As far as taking calls, I don't blame her at all. I'm willing to bet it (call in questions) was discussed prior to the taping. What was decided is another thing.

[mhendo]

Her refusal to comment on any part of the litigation is reasonable and not at all deceptive. I've seen hundreds if not thousands of interviews where all questions regarding pending litigation were not answered, and never once did I think they were lying to avoid answering.
Bolding mine.

This was not pending litigation. The case had already been settled. Quite a different thing.

[Bryan Ekers]

Quick quiz - who here knows the name of the pageant winner that beat out PreJean, i.e. the current Miss USA?

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Also, why would she go on a call-in show if she wasn't going to answer calls?

[Jack Batty]

On the other hand, is it really a sex tape if she was pleasuring herself? I mean, is masturbation "sex?"

If so, I'm a fucking stud!

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Quick quiz - who here knows the name of the pageant winner that beat out PreJean, i.e. the current Miss USA?
Great point.

[Morgenstern]

Bolding mine.

This was not pending litigation. The case had already been settled. Quite a different thing.

Not totally true. There are still "pending issues" according to the news reports.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

What pending issues, and what news reports?

[Really Not All That Bright]

Not totally true. There are still "pending issues" according to the news reports.
The pageant is unlikely have agreed to any settlement that did not resolve any possible claim she could bring. Now, she might be suing somebody else, too - this is America, after all - but you would think she would have said so.

[Bryan Ekers]

Great point.

Related, who remembers the name of the runner-up that assumed the Miss America title after Vanessa Williams stepped down?

[Jack Batty]

Related related question: who gives a shit who ever won the Miss America title?

[Morgenstern]

What pending issues, and what news reports?

I'm going to guess it's this....
K2 Productions countersued in October, asking to be reimbursed $5,200 for the beauty queen's breast implants.
At least, I'd like it to be that.

[Bryan Ekers]

Related related question: who gives a shit who ever won the Miss America title?

My point is that Perez Hilton ended up doing Prejean a huge favour (and arguably Bob Guccione greatly helped Williams) in the long run because scandals are more memorable than victories.

[Really Not All That Bright]

A settlement would have resolved both her original suit and any countersuit. Her lawyers would have to be incompetent on an Orly Taitz level to leave the pageant its cause of action while settling Prejean's.

[PoorYorick]

Related related question: who gives a shit who ever won the Miss America title?

Eh, it used to be a fairly big deal. Anita Bryant, for instance, traded on her crown. And I was told that many gasps were heard when Bess Meyerson won it (she's one of them Jews, you know).

[tacoloco]

She refused to discuss the case, not "that stuff." As far as taking calls, I don't blame her at all. I'm willing to bet it (call in questions) was discussed prior to the taping. What was decided is another thing.

Hmm. Let's see. You call her by her first name and you're a staunch defender of this person when pretty much everyone else thinks she's a vapid bimbo who's 15 minutes were up a long time ago.

Things that make you go... hmmm.

[Mr. Moto]

There is no evidence, nor (as far as I can see) even an assertion by Prejean that they had an agreement as to whether she would be asked why she settled, and there is only her own word that she had an agreement not to take calls. I don't buy that she had an agreement for either (especially the calls), but I don't really care even if she did, because agreements like that are made to be pissed on.

Thing is, many of Larry King's shows or segments do not feature callers. I just went through recent transcripts and easily found several. Here's a panel discussing the Beltway sniper execution - no callers. (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/10/lkl.01.html) Here's an interview with Mariah Carey - again no callers. (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/08/lkl.01.html)

So whatever agreement was reached, it is clear that the absence of callers is hardly an unprecedented event, as was implied in your earlier post.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Panel discussions don't count. Maybe Mariah Carey can get special treatmnent, but Prejean didn't.

[Really Not All That Bright]

Thing is, many of Larry King's shows or segments do not feature callers. I just went through recent transcripts and easily found several. Here's a panel discussing the Beltway sniper execution - no callers. (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/10/lkl.01.html) Here's an interview with Mariah Carey - again no callers. (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/08/lkl.01.html)
Might just be that nobody cares about Mariah Carey. ;)
Maybe Mariah Carey can get special treatmnent, but Prejean didn't.
Oh, come on, dude. He's got you. You said this sort of treatment was "unprecedented", and it clearly isn't. Besides, it's not like Mariah Carey is some kind of huge ratings draw that Larry King would change all the rules for.

[gonzomax]

He didn't ask her to discuss the settlement. Settlement agreements do not preclude anyone from saying why they settled. He didn't ask her for any terms.

Those were the terms her lawyer wanted. Why would the opposition want those terms? The question was not inappropriate. Her sex tapes could be called inappropriate, but why would mentioning them as the reason she lost her case be wrong to discuss? What else does she offer of interest?

[Really Not All That Bright]

Big fake titties and a dazzling smile. The world is her oyster, for the next four and a half years. After that... well, hope she marries well.

[Jack Batty]

Here's the issue: he didn't ask, "Golly, Carrie, tell us why you're such an American hero and where we can buy your book?"

She didn't like that so she pissed off in a huff.

All this bullshit about she was too noble or whatever to answer innapropriate questions and did Larry agree or not agree to let callers in and all that shit ... it's just pissing in the wind. This vapid tool thought she was going to get to freely flog her book and she didn't get to. She doesn't seem to be interested in being a source of anything but right-wing talking points in the first place. If she doesn't have the chops to face basic journalistic questions she should stick to Fox 'News' and spare the rest of us her fucking hissy fits.

[Really Not All That Bright]

Do you not watch Larry King? He doesn't ask basic journalist questions. His interviews are about as hard-hitting as Joan Rivers', only he doesn't mock his guests' fashion sense.

Prejean had every reason to believe he was going to ask why she's such an American hero and where we can buy her book and so on.

[psychobunny]

Related, who remembers the name of the runner-up that assumed the Miss America title after Vanessa Williams stepped down?

Suzette Charles.
(I don't know why I know this. I'm sure that brain space could be used for a much better function, but this is what it has decided to retain.)

[Jack Batty]

Do you not watch Larry King? He doesn't ask basic journalist questions. His interviews are about as hard-hitting as Joan Rivers', only he doesn't mock his guests' fashion sense.

Prejean had every reason to believe he was going to ask why she's such an American hero and where we can buy her book and so on.

Well isn't that just tough shit for her. She took her chances that he was going to fawn all over her and he didn't. She fucked up. She should have stuck with Fox. In the meantime, the normal world gets one more reminder as to why she should be recycled whole to supply silicone treatments for the poor.

[Really Not All That Bright]

Dude, I don't like her any more than you do, but I don't understand this at all. If there was an agreement in place that certain topics would not be discussed, I can totally understand why she flipped out when they were.

[Bryan Ekers]

Prejean had every reason to believe he was going to ask why she's such an American hero and where we can buy her book and so on.
Hey, this is Larry King we're talking about.






She had every reason to expect a marriage proposal.

[smithsb]

Sarah Palin as her hero? Beauty contestant? I see a Republican nominee for Gov. of Alaska.

[Really Not All That Bright]

Hey, this is Larry King we're talking about.






She had every reason to expect a marriage proposal.
Thread won. Thanks for playing, guys.

[Lamar Mundane]

I didn't see this yesterday, but I just watched it. That was clearly staged. Whoever it was off stage was directing it like a stageplay. The whole walking off the set thing is becoming a right wing go to tactic. Tom Tancredo did it the other day and I've seen it elsewhere.

Stupid to try it with Larry King, though. You look foolish with a softball tosser like him.

[Death of Rats]

Can I have her front?

Be careful what you wish for. That's the side that talks.

[Beware of Doug]

Liberals can tolerate anything except disagreement, and value all diversity except diversity of opinion.Liberals can tolerate disagreement just fine. (Og knows liberals themselves disagree on any number of things.) What we have trouble with is folk mounting attack-dog histrionics and then hiding behind the idea of free speech taunting, "Nanny nanny boo boo, you can't answer back or you're pissing all over my rights!" Holy joes like Carrie are particularly known for this tactic.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Dude, I don't like her any more than you do, but I don't understand this at all. If there was an agreement in place that certain topics would not be discussed, I can totally understand why she flipped out when they were.
I don't believe it's been established that there was any agreement.

[furt]

Is it just me, or does anyone else just know that every single time there's a "___ vs. ____ " in the media, you're going to end up wanting both sides to lose?

[Sampiro]

So when she ends up doing hardcore with Levi Johnston what do you think the title of the movie should be? I like either INTO THE WILD CHILD or SILICON VALLEYS. (This is of course after they move in with Danny Bonaduce, Arsenio Hall, and Courtney Love for SURREAL LIFE or join David Lee Roth, Florence Henderson and Al Sharpton for Season Umpteen of DANCING WITH THE STARS.)

[Really Not All That Bright]

I don't believe it's been established that there was any agreement.
Exactly - but you have categorically stated that she was lying. If she was lying about the agreement, then obviously it was immaterial. However, we don't know that she was. You went so far as to say that it doesn't matter if she's telling the truth or not - King should have drilled her*, agreement or no agreement.

On the other hand, we also don't know if Larry King was being a douche, so I disagree with the OP too.

*Not that sort of drilled, though I'm sure Larry and his aging pecker would be happy to oblige. God knows I'd drill her too, if only to make her stop talking for a while.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

That's correct. I believe she's lying about taking the calls. She herself has not said there was any agreement that she couldn't be asked why she settled, and neither of those agreements would be worthy of being honored even if they'd been made (which I doubt they were).

[Really Not All That Bright]

Why would they not be worthy of being honored? Because she's a bitch?

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Because they're unworthy concessions to make in the first place.

[Really Not All That Bright]

Perhaps. However, once made, they should be honored. Do you really want people parroting Palin's gotcha-media schtick to be right?

[Robot Arm]

So when she ends up doing hardcore with Levi Johnston what do you think the title of the movie should be? I like either INTO THE WILD CHILD or SILICON VALLEYS.
Going Rogue 2: Going Roguer

[11811]

Can't this moron get a spot on Hannity if she just wants her bunny petted?

Apparently she can pet her own bunny. :D

[Rack-a-Bones]

Aren't the terms of the settlement more or less known anyway? I realize the only source so far is TMZ. But don't they have a pretty good track record for getting the details correct? I can't read TMZ while at work but in The Stranger, Last Days (http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/last-days/Content?oid=2708357&hp) quotes TMZ as the source stating she received around $100,000 to pay her lawyer and publicist but that is just a fraction of her bills.

[Really Not All That Bright]

I'm not sure I would take TMZ's word on any issue more weighty than whether Heather Locklear got a boob reduction.

[Homebrew]

Thread won. Thanks for playing, guys.

So when she ends up doing hardcore with Levi Johnston what do you think the title of the movie should be? I like either INTO THE WILD CHILD or SILICON VALLEYS. (This is of course after they move in with Danny Bonaduce, Arsenio Hall, and Courtney Love for SURREAL LIFE or join David Lee Roth, Florence Henderson and Al Sharpton for Season Umpteen of DANCING WITH THE STARS.)

Victory snatched.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

I'm not sure I would take TMZ's word on any issue more weighty than whether Heather Locklear got a boob reduction.
They actually have a good track record, and Prejean hasn't denied anything.

[Sampiro]

I've heard of "sexually inappropriate" but does inappropriate mean sex now?

Donald Trump on Prejean (http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/TV/11/12/trump.prejean.larry.king/)(which is where he's wanted to be all along):
"'Inappropriate' is more of a sexual term, as far as I'm concerned," Trump said. "I mean -- inappropriate? He asked a very, very easy question and I was surprised that she just didn't say, 'Hey, listen, I can't answer that question.' Instead she wants to walk off the stage? It was very surprising."

I think this is Trumpese for "I don't care what she's done or what Larry King did or didn't promise or whose show she was on, nobody talks about anybody who has any connection to me however tangential without me getting to be on TV too!"

[gonzomax]

He demands are way out of line. All she wanted to do was push the book. I suppose the book will not mention her crappy attitude or her stripping for the camera. It will be about her relationship with god and religion. It has a ready made audience of evangelicals and right wingers. The tapes will ruin it all. Her attitude will also do damage. I hope the ghost writer got paid in advance.

[Sampiro]

I suppose the book will not mention her crappy attitude or her stripping for the camera. It will be about her relationship with god and religion.

And let's not forget that her grandpa fought with General Patton for her right to have that relationship with god and religion. (A great-uncle fought with Nimitz and worked with Dupont to get her those fake titties.)

[Frostillicus]

Lemme get this right.

Larry King (of the softball interview) was too tough on Little Miss Sunshine so she walked off the set?

El-oh-el

[Ferret Herder]

I've heard lots of second-hand accounts of her saying that, but nothing direct. If anyone does have a specific quote from her about "free speech" I think it would be an interesting contribution here.
Here ya go. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzZuFoeiWWE) It's about 45 seconds in, when she's interviewing with Sean Hannity at some point over the last few days, and she actually says that "we have free speech." She then talks about the campaign to "silence her" during her Today show interview after that, starting at around 2 minutes.

[Godinama]

What other subject could there possibly be to talk to the twit about?

This reminds me of a scene in 27 Dresses where Ryan Seacrest, acting as a talk show host, is told by his producers of all the things Jessica Simpson doesn't want to talk about. Her fake boobs, her dad's comments on her boobs, etc. In response, Ryan, in perfect sarcastic tone, says something along the lines of "great, I'll ask her about the Iraq War maybe she has some ideas for an exit strategy".

You had to be there.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

I think that was Knocked Up.

[Typo Negative]

I gotta think it was all a set up.

If Larry King has thrown her softballs, and she sat and answered politely, then nobody would have cared. Not even her supporters. Boring. Now people will talking about her, and her book, for a while. More supporters may buy it because she's a conservative hero being treated unfairly. Detractors may buy it to read what a twit she is.

This is a publicist's dream.

[anya marie]

Unfortunately, I also can't find her sex tape, which is mildly disappointing, 'cause that bitch is hot.

She's hot if you REALLY like the fake breasts, fake tan, dumber than a box of rocks, and more makeup than Lenin's corpse.

[The Second Stone]

Hate to defend the nitwit here, but if a settlement is confidential, and most are, it is not safe to talk about any aspect of the settlement. I tell my clients that if anyone asks: "it was settled to the mutual satisfaction of the parties and it is confidential and I cannot say more than that about the entire matter as per my agreement." Or some such. A dimwit such as Ms. Prejean should really get out of there if pressed like King was doing because she is going to breach the agreement if she tries to dance around it. A smart person wouldn't try to dance around it. With the sex tapes being used at the mediation, she has the better part of the confidentiality agreement and she doesn't want them getting released.

That said, I've met Larry King at a political convention and he was the most gracious journalist there. He was polite and kind to his admirers, and the rest of them were frankly pricks, even compared to politicians.

[Sampiro]

That said, I've met Larry King at a political convention and he was the most gracious journalist there. He was polite and kind to his admirers, and the rest of them were frankly pricks, even compared to politicians.

The embalmers did a wonderful job.

[thirdname]

I don't quite understand how they could have gotten her to drop a lawsuit by threatening to release a sex tape of her. Isn't that illegal somehow?

[Sampiro]

I don't quite understand how they could have gotten her to drop a lawsuit by threatening to release a sex tape of her. Isn't that illegal somehow?

If they planned to use it in the trial to demonstrate yet another reason they did not want her to represent California then I don't think it would be considered blackmail.

[BigT]

If they planned to use it in the trial to demonstrate yet another reason they did not want her to represent California then I don't think it would be considered blackmail.
Unfortunately true. Vetting the contestants is supposed to be done before they are elected. Either they knew about it and didn't care, or they didn't think it was worth trying to find out about it.

While I agree with the rest of you that she is an idiot, I don't think someone should be able to fired because of their political or religious belief. And being pro-life is always one or the other.

The pageant people knew they couldn't win on the merits of the case But they did have something they could use against her, and they used it. They had a built-in loophole to keep from getting prosecuted for blackmail.

[Godinama]

I think that was Knocked Up.

:smack: So it was. Same actress, though, so half points?

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Unfortunately true. Vetting the contestants is supposed to be done before they are elected. Either they knew about it and didn't care, or they didn't think it was worth trying to find out about it.
They didn't become aware of it until after the pageant. She was in breech of her contract by not having divulged that she did a series of porn tapes when she entered the pageant. She didn't have a leg to stand on. It wasn't blackmail, it was straight up breech of contract on her part.

[Really Not All That Bright]

She's hot if you REALLY like the fake breasts, fake tan, dumber than a box of rocks, and more makeup than Lenin's corpse.
Check, check... how much makeup is Lenin's corpse wearing?
With the sex tapes being used at the mediation, she has the better part of the confidentiality agreement and she doesn't want them getting released.

That said, I've met Larry King at a political convention and he was the most gracious journalist there. He was polite and kind to his admirers, and the rest of them were frankly pricks, even compared to politicians.
That assumes that the pageant officials are the only people who have copies of the sex tape(s), which I doubt, considering her ex-boyfriend is apparently nattering about them to any gossip rag which will listen.

Larry King was really funny on the Daily Show.

[gonzomax]

If they planned to use it in the trial to demonstrate yet another reason they did not want her to represent California then I don't think it would be considered blackmail.

Not if she were contending that she is a pure as the driven snow religious girl who was just so offended by the attacks against her religiosity. The nude tapes are relevant and suggest she is a poser. It contradicts her stance and suggests she is a gold digger trying to shake down the beauty contest for money.
I don't think they were threatening to release them, merely that they had them.

[Shot From Guns]

While I agree with the rest of you that she is an idiot, I don't think someone should be able to fired because of their political or religious belief. And being pro-life is always one or the other.

1.) I agree that that her stance, as stated in her answer in the pageant (i.e., it was against her personal religious beliefs, with no mention of legality or legislation), should not have been grounds to disqualify her. People can believe whatever stupid shit they want.

2.) Where is this pro-life thing coming from? The whole kerfluffle was about same-sex marriage.

[Sampiro]

Keith Lewis, executive director of Miss California USA and Miss California Teen USA, released a statement on Thursday.

"The public is finally getting a glimpse of the real Carrie Prejean who lives in her own delusional world," he said. "The childish behavior, her negative attitude, the sarcasm and condescending tone, the disrespect and continual lying she is demonstrating now is only a fraction of what we endured during her reign and after."

"Anyone who buys her book is supporting a woman who is actually the opposite of everything she claims to be," the statement went on to say. "I sincerely hope she is able to get the psychological help I believe she has shown to clearly need."


I wonder if she'll sue over this comment.

[Really Not All That Bright]

Why on earth does Lewis feel the need to issue a statement? Anyway, it's not like anyone is going to have much sympathy for her. They chose her, after all. It's not her fault if they didn't look beyond tits and teeth.

[Death of Rats]

She wasn't stripped of her Miss California crown for being a hateful bigot. She may have lost Perez Hilton's vote costing her first place in the Miss USA for it though. The pagents case is that she was spending all of her time sucking up to the RW nutjobs and ignoring her contracted duties as Miss California. The cherry on top for them is that it came out after the fact that she had hidden a number of photos and videos that she was required to inform them about, thus breeching her contract in another way as well.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

I wonder if she'll sue over this comment.
Prejean would have to prove it isn't true.

[Really Not All That Bright]

Why on earth does Lewis feel the need to issue a statement? Anyway, it's not like anyone is going to have much sympathy for her. They chose her, after all. It's not her fault if they didn't look beyond tits and teeth.
Sympathy for them, I mean. Although her works too.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

I have sympathy for them. Besides, she's been trashing them, why shouldn't they say something back?

[Really Not All That Bright]

Not after the settlement.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

So what?

[Jack Batty]

I believe that Keith Lewis issuing a statement is valid because ... well, why not throw some more entertainment cherries on the top of this shit sundae.

Need I remind everyone again that the hallowed institution that is being sullied throughout this whole ordeal is the Who Gives A Shit About Miss America Contest.

Gay pageant judges, free speech, fake tits, nude pictures, religious persecution, masturbation videos, Larry King, lawsuits, statements, ... I'm just hoping we get into UFO abductions and maybe something on the Illuminati to officially turn this story into The Funniest Blip of Entertainment News of the Year.

[Freudian Slit]

She's not confused; King just keeps asking her about a subject she apparently believes they agreed not to cover. She refuses to answer, he persists.

Then the first call the screener lets thru is a gay guy asking her something about gay marriage.

I haven't been following this but if her being terminated supposedly had nothing to do with her gay marriage gaffe, why does gay marriage have anything to do with it?

And also, why is her lying about the "sex" tape relevant? Why was it even brought up?

[Sampiro]

Prejean would have to prove it isn't true.

Her grandfather fought for General Patton; what more proof do you need that they're lying?


My favorite moment is her hysterical tearful spiel glurge over how Gwampa's fighting for Patton somehow gave her the right to be in beauty pageants and express her opinion as a Christian.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

I haven't been following this but if her being terminated supposedly had nothing to do with her gay marriage gaffe, why does gay marriage have anything to do with it?
It doesn't.
And also, why is her lying about the "sex" tape relevant? Why was it even brought up?
Was it brought up at all on the LK show? Or are you asking why it was brought up in her settlement mediation? If you're asking the latter, it was relevant beause it represented a breech of contract on her part that she didn't disclose her porn tapes (actually denied having done any) to the Miss California people.

[Freudian Slit]

It doesn't.

Was it brought up at all on the LK show? Or are you asking why it was brought up in her settlement mdiation? If you're asking the latter, it was relevant beause it represented a breech of contract on her part that she didn't disclose her porn tapes (actually denied having done any) to the Miss California people.

In the settlement mediation. I guess there's stipulations and stuff about not having done porn and the like before you enter the pageant.

I'm really not getting the "Larry King shouldn't have asked her this" stuff. I mean, why even have her on to begin with, really? All she's famous for is this Miss America crap. And her book is ABOUT her pageant related experiences--she hasn't done anything else you can ask her about. Her whole shtick seems to be violating the terms of her agreement and then complaining that it's because people have it in for her ("They made me leave because they hated my gay marriage answer!" or "Larry asked me hard questions").

[detop]

I believe that Keith Lewis issuing a statement is valid because ... well, why not throw some more entertainment cherries on the top of this shit sundae.

Need I remind everyone again that the hallowed institution that is being sullied throughout this whole ordeal is the Who Gives A Shit About Miss America Contest.

Gay pageant judges, free speech, fake tits, nude pictures, religious persecution, masturbation videos, Larry King, lawsuits, statements, ... I'm just hoping we get into UFO abductions and maybe something on the Illuminati to officially turn this story into The Funniest Blip of Entertainment News of the Year.

Naah. It will be cattle mutilation while dressed as a Catholic Grey Nun.

[Beware of Doug]

Dearsweet holey mutter of Og, just get the sex tapes out and let this whole wharrgarbl system blow out to sea.

[anya marie]

Boo hooo. Booo hooo hooo, poooor oppressed Christians. Call me when her house is torched or her mother is fed to a lion.

[Voyager]

They didn't become aware of it until after the pageant. She was in breech of her contract by not having divulged that she did a series of porn tapes when she entered the pageant. She didn't have a leg to stand on. It wasn't blackmail, it was straight up breech of contract on her part.

Breach of contract. However, given where a breech birth comes from, it is an excellent typo.

[Lamar Mundane]

It looks like it was all planned in advance.

Prejean threatened walkout before she stepped on set of 'Larry King Live'

A huge "nay" for Carrie Prejean.

Upon entering CNN's Washington Bureau Wednesday night, the first words out of Former Miss California Carrie Prejean's mouth to CNN news assistant Christina McAusland were, "You tell Larry if he's not nice to me, I will get up and leave."

McAusland, who said she admired Prejean for her candor, was shocked by the beauty queen's tone and warned "Larry King Live" producer John Gilmore of her threat.

Beyond her on-air hissy fit, the beauty queen's behavior at the studio was classless.

She arrived with an entourage of five, (for cable news Green Room context, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., never arrives with a group that large) and barked at a studio operator for touching her hair while setting up her microphone.

After her appearance in which she dubbed King "inappropriate" and attempted to exit the set, Prejean accused the staffer of lying to her, saying King's producers promised no phone calls. She belittled McAusland saying, "Is the intern talking to me? Oh look at the little intern, look at the little intern trying to explain!"

"I've never been treated so poorly in my whole life," McAusland, who recently accepted an executive producer position at Newsie.com of Media Convergence Group, said.

What a bint.

[mswas]

Then I pit Prejean for going on Larry King and demanding that he not ask questions or take phone calls like he does on every other show he's ever done in his entire life ... which is approximately 800 years, if I'm not mistaken.

Can't this moron get a spot on Hannity if she just wants her bunny petted?

How about Vivid video? That'd be a good place to pet her bunny.

[mswas]

Cite that she was given an agreement (an unprecedented agreement) that she wouldn't have to take calls on the show?

Prejean has a history of lying through her teeth. Larry King does not have any history of being duplicious with guests. His reputation is just the opposite, that he's a doormat for them.

Until you can actually provide some proof that an agreement existed, then I think we have to conclude that the event was just what it looked like -- a snotty little non-celebrity having a snit-fit.

Actually, even if there was an agreement on calls (and I don't believe for a second that there was, since LK never does that), I still don't care. I would actually give kudos to LK for NOT honoring such an agreement.

So duplicitous double-dealing is honorable as long as it is done for the correct political persuasion?

As I read more and more of your posts, the more I realize that you have pretty much no sense of honor whatsoever. It doesn't matter what shady tactics are used as long as they support some kind of liberal agenda.

I think that he shouldn't have had her on the show if he didn't want to honor those conditions. But, the reality is, if she had a signed contract stating those terms, she has a lawsuit that she can win.

You're a fuckhead through and through though.

You should set your signature to, "It's ok to lie to people and break contracts as long as liberal politics are being served."

[Really Not All That Bright]

There's no contract here. She was not being financial remunerated for her appearance on the show - it was an opportunity to plug her book. That's how these things work.

I agree that if there was an agreement in place as she claims, Larry acted inappropriately.

[Gustav]

I don't think it's all that unreasonable to dishonor an agreement to get your way against someone who has already proved that they themselves will lie with impunity to serve their own ends. Being honorable against people that will happily stab you in the back is a bit like bringing a knife to a gunfight. Kind of well-meaning, but naive.

Not that I believe for a second that such an agreement existed.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

So duplicitous double-dealing is honorable as long as it is done for the correct political persuasion?

As I read more and more of your posts, the more I realize that you have pretty much no sense of honor whatsoever. It doesn't matter what shady tactics are used as long as they support some kind of liberal agenda.

I think that he shouldn't have had her on the show if he didn't want to honor those conditions. But, the reality is, if she had a signed contract stating those terms, she has a lawsuit that she can win.

You're a fuckhead through and through though.

You should set your signature to, "It's ok to lie to people and break contracts as long as liberal politics are being served."
"Liberal" has nothing to do with it. Politics have nothing to do with it. I just don't think ANY guests should be able to dictate conditions about what they can or cannot be asked about. It's not political for me, I just despise the way the media panders to celebrities.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

It looks like it was all planned in advance.



What a bint.
Do you have a link for this?

[mhendo]

Do you have a link for this?This (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/blogs/yeas-and-nays/Prejean-threatened-walkout-before-she-stepped-on-set-of-_Larry-King-Live_-8526704.html) appears to be the source.

[Gustav]

...Wow...

[Freudian Slit]

"Liberal" has nothing to do with it. Politics have nothing to do with it. I just don't think ANY guests should be able to dictate conditions about what they can or cannot be asked about. It's not political for me, I just despise the way the media panders to celebrities.

I had the same issue with Billy Bob Thorton and his country band. "No, I told you I wasn't taking any questions about my movie career!" Okay, if you want to interview yourself, that's fine, but you're dealing with an interviewer.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

This (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/blogs/yeas-and-nays/Prejean-threatened-walkout-before-she-stepped-on-set-of-_Larry-King-Live_-8526704.html) appears to be the source.
Thanks.

Wow, what a bitch. I can see why the Miss California people despise her.

[Bryan Ekers]

Hey, if the interview had gone smoothly, everybody woulda forgotten it by now. It's clearly in Prejean's interests to make a fuss, it's not like she's famous for anything else.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

I had the same issue with Billy Bob Thorton and his country band. "No, I told you I wasn't taking any questions about my movie career!" Okay, if you want to interview yourself, that's fine, but you're dealing with an interviewer.
Exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about.

[Lamar Mundane]

Well, if the celebrity media can be trusted, there are eight videos and 30 nude photos, her book tour has been cancelled, and Vivid Entertainment (porn producer) has a legal copy of one of the videos and are preparing to release it.

Her publisher can't be very happy.

The religious right doesn't like to abandon their heroes (unless they catch the gay), but I can't see how they can continue to prop her up.

Porn Kings Trying to Release Prejean Sex Tape (http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/13/porn-kings-trying-to-release-prejean-sex-tape/)


Seven More Carrie Prejean Sex Tapes Unearthed (http://www.usmagazine.com/celebritynews/news/carrie-p-20091311)

[Vinyl Turnip]

So? I mean, who here among us hasn't exercised the same poor judgment eight times? Do you have any idea how hard is to not have a public sex tape these days?

[Raygun99]

Not that there's anything wrong with it, but is this chick ever not touching herself?

[Homebrew]

So? I mean, who here among us hasn't exercised the same poor judgment eight times? Do you have any idea how hard is to not have a public sex tape these days?
I've tried; but nobody seems to want to put my escapades up on the web.

[Kozmik]

Would Carrie Prejean consider it inappropriate to bring up the Larry King Live interview? :D

[Really Not All That Bright]

So? I mean, who here among us hasn't exercised the same poor judgment eight times? Do you have any idea how hard is to not have a public sex tape these days?
I've been trying to publish for years. It's the public part that's a problem.

Maybe if I oppressed somebody...

[Nattering Naybob]

Bad news folks, Miss Prejean has filed suit against everyone here for making fun of her on the internets.

For some reason, however, she hasn't sued the doctor who slapped her fake boobs on three feet apart from one another.

[Frostillicus]

I have just been skimming this thread, but do I understand that Miss Prejean has made a sex tape with Larry King?

[Ca3799]

I think she nearly walked off the set because Larry was trying to get her to say " I settled because the sprung my old sex tape on me. Boy ! Was that unexpected!", and she just didin't want to say it.

[Talon Karrde]

Be careful what you wish for. That's the side that talks.
No. It really isn't.

[kidneyfailure]

I have just been skimming this thread, but do I understand that Miss Prejean has made a sex tape with Larry King?


I wonder if King wears his suspenders in it...

[BigT]

I think she nearly walked off the set because Larry was trying to get her to say " I settled because the sprung my old sex tape on me. Boy ! Was that unexpected!", and she just didin't want to say it.

UPDATE: Prejean's attorney Charles LiMandri tells Usmagazine.com (http://www.usmagazine.com/): "Due to the confidentiality agreement which Carrie signed, she must decline to comment on any and all questions regarding a so-called 'sex tape.'"

So if she did interpret it that way, she couldn't respond.

[Robot Arm]

UPDATE: Prejean's attorney Charles LiMandri tells Usmagazine.com: "Due to the confidentiality agreement which Carrie signed, she must decline to comment on any and all questions regarding a so-called 'sex tape.'"Aren't confidentiality agreements put in place to prevent someone from revealing someone else's secrets? I mean, if she did talk about the sex tape, who would it hurt; who would be out there trying to enforce the agreement?

Sounds like she's trying to hide her own dirty laundry (or lack thereof) behind the claim that it's being forced on her by someone else.

[Ca3799]

So if she did interpret it that way, she couldn't respond.

I would guess that's not the case because it didn't prevent her from discussing the video in question in some detail with Sean Hannity a day or three before the LK interview.

She told Sean that it was a youthful indiscretion, that there was no one else in the room, it was supposed to be a private thing for her boyfriend whom she really, really loved, and who could have guessed it would ever get out?, etc.

So, my guess is that while she didn't mind talking about it with Hannity (friendly conservative audience), she just didn't want to discuss the issue with Larry King (old letch with lib audience).

[Vinyl Turnip]

As a gesture of good will, this lib would like to officially hand over Larry King as a gift to conservatives. Please carefully read our return policy before accepting.

[DanBlather]

I'm glad that we have conservatives who get breast implants, pose naked, and make sex tapes to act as positive role models for our youth so they don't get influenced by those icky homosexuals.

She is also making a very important point about the abuse of the legal system by filing her suits against Trump and the Miss America pageant scholarship contest.

[Bryan Ekers]

This is doing little good for the fine reputation of the state of California, I must say.

[RedFury]

What's confidential about it? They had a pretrial conference where she complained about her religious views being disrespected. The lawyer just turned around a laptop with her sex tape running on it. Her religious stance is a farce. She was looking for a payday and a chance to roast the "liberal" press. She has been a very poorly chosen tool of the righties. They should run fast and far from her.

Check out the sex video (censored and SFW as long as you don't have the speakers on) at the Huffington Post.

That sex tape of Carrie Prejean no one can get their hands on? It's right here... (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/juliet-jeske/carrie-prejeans-sex-tape_b_357595.html)

Beyond the hypocresy on display, it's just plain hilarious. Looks/sounds like a parody of the very beliefs she's supposedly upholding.

[Freudian Slit]

Um. It IS a parody. You know that's not her, right?

[Diogenes the Cynic]

So if she did interpret it that way, she couldn't respond.
She wasn't asked about the sex tape. There's no reason a confidentiality agreement would prohibit her from talking about it anyway. It might prohibit Miss California from talking about it, but why would they care if SHE did?

[RedFury]

Um. It IS a parody. You know that's not her, right?

Nope, I did not, as I'd never heard about her till this very thread.

Consider moi thoroughly whooshed.

That said, I still think it's funny as shit.

[Freudian Slit]

The line about this not being the totally worst mistake she'd ever made and the masturbation behind the Bible didn't tip you off? :)

[RedFury]

The line about this not being the totally worst mistake she'd ever made and the masturbation behind the Bible didn't tip you off? :)

Hindsight is 20/20. Was laughing too hard to listen to what she said...other than the moans that is. :cool:

[gonzomax]

Who do you think wanted the sex tape to be with held? If it is part of a confidentiality agreement, it was on her part and her lawyers trying to salvage her. It is not working.

[Sampiro]

I wonder how her book is going to sell. I think even the anti-gay marriage folk are starting to reach for their car keys at this point for fear the tape of her going on a topless shooting spree in a crackhouse is just around the corner.

[Shakes]

Check out the sex video (censored and SFW as long as you don't have the speakers on) at the Huffington Post.

That sex tape of Carrie Prejean no one can get their hands on? It's right here... (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/juliet-jeske/carrie-prejeans-sex-tape_b_357595.html)

Beyond the hypocresy on display, it's just plain hilarious. Looks/sounds like a parody of the very beliefs she's supposedly upholding.

Holy crap!! "Split me like the Red Sea" ? That's too funny to be real.

And if it is real; she's ten kinds of batshit crazy!

I have to admit tho', a roll in the hey with this girl might not be such a bad thing.

[DanBlather]

And if it is real; she's ten kinds of batshit crazy!http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe's_Law

[BigT]

She wasn't asked about the sex tape. There's no reason a confidentiality agreement would prohibit her from talking about it anyway. It might prohibit Miss California from talking about it, but why would they care if SHE did?

Then that would indicate the lawyer lied, right?

As for your previous reply to me: I still think it unlikely that they just happened to find these tapes after she said something bad. And I don't put it past them to have not really cared about it until she said something that made them look bad.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Then that would indicate the lawyer lied, right?
It would indicate that the lawyer is obfuscating and full of shit, that's correct.
As for your previous reply to me: I still think it unlikely that they just happened to find these tapes after she said something bad. And I don't put it past them to have not really cared about it until she said something that made them look bad.
And your evidence that they already knew about the tapes is what?

[Katriona]

I'm glad that we have conservatives who get breast implants, pose naked, and make sex tapes to act as positive role models for our youth so they don't get influenced by those icky homosexuals.

She is also making a very important point about the abuse of the legal system by filing her suits against Trump and the Miss America pageant scholarship contest.

I hate to nitpick, but Trump owns Miss USA (and the associated Miss Teen USA and Miss Universe), not Miss America. I suppose it could be a distinction without a difference, but...

[Guinastasia]

Holy crap!! "Split me like the Red Sea" ? That's too funny to be real.


And if it's that ti...nope, can't say it, that's way too TMI for some.

[Bryan Ekers]

It would indicate that the lawyer is obfuscating and full of shit

I call "redundant" on you!

[Really Not All That Bright]

Then that would indicate the lawyer lied, right?
Well, he is a lawyer.

[dropzone]

Need I remind everyone again that the hallowed institution that is being sullied throughout this whole ordeal is the Who Gives A Shit About Miss America Contest.No, a few people still care about the Miss America contest. This the Who Gives A Shit About Miss USA Contest, which is a tiny subset of the former.

Check, check... how much makeup is Lenin's corpse wearing? Check for yourself (http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2008/moscow_travel/moscow_lenin_tomb_a.jpg), and factor in that he's been dead since 1924.

[Lamar Mundane]

I'm surprised that it's approaching midnight eastern time on Sunday and the tape(s) have yet to be released. How would you like to be Ms. Prejean's lawyer/advisor?

"Well, Carrie, the tape is coming out soon whether you like it or not. You can either make a million bucks by authorizing it's release or you can make nothing and be dropped like a hot potato by all the people who have been supporting you and paying your bills for the last six months."

It's obvious that her whole Christian conservative persona is a facade. Will she embrace her dark side and just go for the money? Tough call.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

My guess is that she'll try to find some way to take the payoff but keep it a secret. She'll take the money and then adopt a stance of "not commenting" on the tapes, or on Vivid.

[Really Not All That Bright]

My guess is the stances she takes on tape will speak for themselves.

[WPA-Guy]

Here's a link to a letter that Vivid Entertainment has sent: http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/1115_vivid_ent_wm.pdf

According to TMZ: Will she release the video?

Carrie's mom/rep says, "No, at any price."


But she has plans to make money elsewhere:

she may sue the Miss Cali pageant, along with its officials, because she believes they leaked the settlement to TMZ

[RedFury]

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe's_Law

Thanks. That's a great cite. And true as verified by yours truly.

[Sampiro]

If Carrie has sensitive ears she can hear the orchestra striking up the song Nowadays (from CHICAGO- "Ladies and gentlement, Miss Roxie Hart says goodnight...") but more likely she thinks it's just the overture.

[Maus Magill]

So? I mean, who here among us hasn't exercised the same poor judgment eight times? Do you have any idea how hard is to not have a public sex tape these days?

I, for one, am very, very disappointed in Ms. Perjean. I believed so much in her, too.

Well, you know what they say: "Fool me seven times, shame on me. Fool me eight or more times, shame on you."

[Northern Piper]

Her publisher can't be very happy.

Neither is her mom.

There was a link to another article on the first article you linked to: Carrie Prejean's Mother Saw the Sex Tape (http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/08/carrie-prejeans-mother-saw-the-sex-tape/):

Carrie Prejean wasn't the only member of her family who got a peek at Carrie's solo sex tape -- TMZ has learned her MOM was in the room when the Miss California USA lawyers pressed play.

Sources tell TMZ Carrie's mom was in shock -- instantly turning sheet white as she watched her daughter give herself a hand.

[dropzone]

I wonder how her book is going to sell. I think even the anti-gay marriage folk are starting to reach for their car keys at this point for fear the tape of her going on a topless shooting spree in a crackhouse is just around the corner. Bro, we heteros grasp at any Celebrity Porn we can find. I'd suggest that it places us below our gay brothers, but you guys have grasped it at least as long.

Gay guys I understand. What confuses me is straight women who like porn.

[kidneyfailure]

I love the ad I'm seeing right now on this thread:

"Q+A Miss California. What has Carrie Prejean been up to since the Miss USA Pageant?"

Gee, what has she been up to since then? We couldn't possibly know, of course, because it's not like she's been involved in a few scandals, written a book, or been on several talk shows...

[Really Not All That Bright]

If by "written a book" you mean "been present for and possibly even contributed to the writing of a book".

[kidneyfailure]

If by "written a book" you mean "been present for and possibly even contributed to the writing of a book".

I only saw the clip of her from Larry King shilling "her" book, but I'm not quite sure about all the details. Do you mean that it was ghost-written but she slapped her name on it or that someone else wrote one about her and she was just promoting it?

Naturally, I haven't been paying much attention to her lame debacle.

[dropzone]

Naturally, I haven't been paying much attention to her lame debacle.Yet you have paid more attention to very nearly nothing.

I mean, at this point even knowing her name places her between fans of inconsequential Miss USA losers and people, er, creatures forcing her between stalks produced by my French oncle (which here insanely thin and youthful), and those my niece hid in hopes of buying a ticket to NY back in '46.

[Sampiro]

Just checked Amazon and her book is ranked #6,712. Lest you think that Amazon customers have a bias against conservatives, Sarah Palin's is #1 and Glenn Beck's latest is #8. Apparently not a lot of people are willing to shell out money to read her whining.

[Really Not All That Bright]

I only saw the clip of her from Larry King shilling "her" book, but I'm not quite sure about all the details. Do you mean that it was ghost-written but she slapped her name on it or that someone else wrote one about her and she was just promoting it?
That's pretty much how these things work. Even 90% of books by prominent people (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2478/did-john-f-kennedy-really-write-profiles-in-courage) who you would expect to be able to write a book are ghostwritten. It's one of the worst practices in publishing, IMHO.

[Shot From Guns]

I dunno, the Mötley Crüe book turned out pretty fucking awesome, and you could say that was ghostwritten, although IIRC Neil Strauss was officially credited for his work in the book itself.

[Really Not All That Bright]

It doesn't mean the books are bad. It's just... fraud.

[Shot From Guns]

IMO, as long as they make it clear in the book itself that it was at least compiled by someone else (as was the case with The Dirt), there's no problem with it. It's when they slap the "author's" name on the cover in big letters with no further mention of the ghostwriter who actually did the work that it gets shady.

[kidneyfailure]

What about books that say, for example, "By Carrie Prejean, with such-and-such?" That seems a bit more honest.

[Really Not All That Bright]

I'm fine with that, or, "as told to...", or the most honest approach of simply listing the actual author's name along with the celeb's.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Charles Barkley once complained that he'd been misquoted in his own autobiography.

[Sampiro]

Coulter and Limbaugh wrote blips for the book's back cover and on the inside are such gems as

There’s nothing the liberal media love to attack more than a conservative celebrity. Unless it’s a female conservative celebrity. Make that a beautiful female conservative celebrity.
So, when a California beauty queen had the audacity – the nerve – to stand up for traditional marriage in front of a national televised audience, well then, the liberal media went crazy. They called her every vile name in the book – while feminists around the country were oddly silent. Like Sarah Palin, Laura Bush, Ann Coulter and so many before her, Carrie Prejean was vilified for not being the modern American woman that NOW had in mind.

First Anne Frank and now Carrie Prejean; when will the persecution end?

This is not just whining but it's extremely stupid of her. She's 22 and wants to be a celebrity in Hollywood... so she immediately and intentionally alienates almost every Hollywood power broker as well as one hundred million Americans (all liberals and conservatives who recognize cheap stunts) yet she has absolutely no talent or speaking ability to bring value added other than her boobs (which were paid for by liberals).

Darling, Limbaugh and Hannity and O'Reilly will all gladly fuck you if they can somehow get it up but that's the extent to which you can give them anything of interest and that's not going to last very long. Whatever notions you had of striking gold in southern California you just damned not by being conservative but by

1- pissing off gays (Hollywood's the wrong town to do that)

2- showing that you're a total bitch

3- proving you are impossible to work with and a liar to boot

4- having no talent to atone for it (it's not like she can sing like a canary or has won Oscars)

If she's smart she'll nab a 70 year old Republican millionaire and have his insurance baby while she can because two years, three if you're lucky, she'll be lucky to be working the day shift at Denny's in Hollywood, but I seriously doubt she sees herself as anything other than the next Queen of Fox (and Steve Shepard isn't going to give that up without some serious hairpulling).

[Sampiro]

(and Steve Shepard isn't going to give that up without some serious hairpulling).

Should read Shepard Smith- not Steve Shepard.

[Really Not All That Bright]

I don't know if I'd call it a cheap stunt. They asked her the question, after all- what was she gonna do? Lie?

[Bryan Ekers]

1- pissing off gays (Hollywood's the wrong town to do that)

Unfortunately, it turns out America is an okay country to do that, though, especially the noncoastal parts