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elmwood
01-15-2010, 08:35 AM
I'm seeing a lot of urban hipster-types wearing a certain style of hat recently. They look like derby or bowler hats, but with a flat top and a flat, narrow (about 1"/2.5 cm) brim. What kind of hat are these? I can't stand them, but it's probably because of their recent ubiquitousness among the hipster crowd.

EmAnJ
01-15-2010, 08:40 AM
Fedora (or Fedor, as my husband calls them).

elmwood
01-15-2010, 09:00 AM
Fedora (or Fedor, as my husband calls them).

They're not fedoras. Fedoras are what the trenchcoat-wearing geek crowd seems to prefer on their heads. The hats I'm thinking of look quite comical compared to real fedoras.

WotNot
01-15-2010, 09:10 AM
Usually, I'd say if it has a flat top, it's a pork pie hat, (http://magyar.mashkulture.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/lacoste_porkpie_hat_02.jpg) and if it has a crease on top and a pinched front, it's a trilby. (http://www.hatsandheadwear.com/black-felt-trilby-shorter-brim-435-p.asp)

I don't know if the names are different in the US.

WordMan
01-15-2010, 09:47 AM
They're not fedoras. Fedoras are what the trenchcoat-wearing geek crowd seems to prefer on their heads. The hats I'm thinking of look quite comical compared to real fedoras.

yep, they are porkpies or trilby's. I can hardly wait until they blow through the style window - I'd like to be able to go back to wearing mine without feeling like a trendy douchebag...

chela
01-15-2010, 09:51 AM
yep, they are porkpies or trilby's. I can hardly wait until they blow through the style window - I'd like to be able to go back to wearing mine without feeling like a trendy douchebag...

Word.

same with hipsters

Johnny L.A.
01-15-2010, 09:59 AM
I'll wear my trilby or porkpie, and not care if anyone thinks I'm a trendy douchebag. I was wearing them before the current trend, and I'll keep wearing them, dammit!

Anyway...

The specific style is often called a 'stingy', from 'stingy brim'.

WordMan
01-15-2010, 10:04 AM
The specific style is often called a 'stingy', from 'stingy brim'.

There ya go.

I just got a Kangol Player in black - great, crushable, stingy-brim porkpie...

chela
01-15-2010, 10:04 AM
My late FIL had dozens of those trilby's he wore to the CC and golfing. Funny thing, before a garage sale, we all tried them on and they were all too small! Dad usedto wear a crewcut, duh. I should've held a few back just for ebays sake.

Hampshire
01-15-2010, 10:20 AM
Reminds me of the character Dave form 1983s Losin' It (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.chucksconnection.com/losinit/losin02.jpg&imgrefurl=http://chucksconnection.com/losin.html&usg=__y8djvmHGKDMJDZyn6JQPyQXhjnw=&h=300&w=397&sz=19&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=WBaJqb6ILzVBAM:&tbnh=94&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddave%2Blosin%2527%2Bit%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG)

Speak to me Maddie!
01-15-2010, 10:53 AM
Reminds me of the Mingus tune, Goodbye Pork Pie Hat, and the various remakes. In fact, every time I see someone with a pork pie hat on I hum that tune.

Thin Ice
01-15-2010, 11:15 AM
I always think of Gene Hackman as Popeye Doyle in The French Connection.


http://www.baronhats.com/pd.htm

Jumpbass
01-15-2010, 11:17 AM
My favorite porkpie hat (http://www.busterkeaton.com/).

WordMan
01-15-2010, 11:19 AM
Reminds me of the Mingus tune, Goodbye Pork Pie Hat, and the various remakes. In fact, every time I see someone with a pork pie hat on I hum that tune.

In the spirit of Fighting Ignorance - that song was Mingus' way to say goodbye / eulogize / honor Thelonius Monk, the truly brilliant jazz pianist / composer who was famous for wearing porkpie's.

I love Jeff Beck's cover of that song off Wired...but given my Beck idolization, that is no surprise...;)

ETA: oh, and Jumpbass? I love Buster Keaton, too - but that's a Straw Boater, not a porkpie...

Biffy the Elephant Shrew
01-15-2010, 11:23 AM
In the spirit of Fighting Ignorance - that song was Mingus' way to say goodbye / eulogize / honor Thelonius Monk, the truly brilliant jazz pianist / composer who was famous for wearing porkpie's.

Monk was indeed noted for his hats, but "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat"--which was written many years before Monk died (hell, Monk outlived Mingus)--was a tribute to Lester Young.

WordMan
01-15-2010, 11:31 AM
Monk was indeed noted for his hats, but "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat"--which was written many years before Monk died (hell, Monk outlived Mingus)--was a tribute to Lester Young.

You, my friend, are why I am on the Dope. Just when I think I am popping in to be the Ignorance Fighter(tm), I get my ignorance fought.

I did not know that (and, more regrettably, did not "do the math" to see if my assertion even made sense, as you did :smack:) - "Pres" Young was a pork pie guy?

Ogre
01-15-2010, 12:08 PM
My favorite porkpie hat (http://www.last.fm/music/James%2BMathus%2B%2526%2BHis%2BKnockdown%2BSociety/_/Turkey+Buzzard+In+A+Pork+Pie+Hat). Seriously, if you're not familiar with this tune, it's a must-listen, and comes from an absolutely brilliant album.

James Mathus was the lead singer of the Squirrel Nut Zippers, and after that project, he went back home to Mississippi and started playing more classic Delta blues-based music. As a child, his family's housekeeper was Charlie Patton's daughter Rosetta. Since Charlie never saw a dime of profit from his music, Jimbo recorded this album, "Songs for Rosetta", and donated all the proceeds to her and her family.

WordMan
01-15-2010, 12:58 PM
My favorite porkpie hat (http://www.last.fm/music/James%2BMathus%2B%2526%2BHis%2BKnockdown%2BSociety/_/Turkey+Buzzard+In+A+Pork+Pie+Hat). Seriously, if you're not familiar with this tune, it's a must-listen, and comes from an absolutely brilliant album.

James Mathus was the lead singer of the Squirrel Nut Zippers, and after that project, he went back home to Mississippi and started playing more classic Delta blues-based music. As a child, his family's housekeeper was Charlie Patton's daughter Rosetta. Since Charlie never saw a dime of profit from his music, Jimbo recorded this album, "Songs for Rosetta", and donated all the proceeds to her and her family.

I couldn't get the link to load - what is it?

Slithy Tove
01-15-2010, 01:30 PM
Not wearing a hat, so I can scratch my head as I wonder what's the difference between a trilby and a snap-brim fedora

Porkpies for me will always be the signature headwear of Buster Keaton (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3324/3411603128_cf6a9bfe8a.jpg). He or his wife would make them themselves out of stetsons or fedoras (http://www.busterkeaton.com/howto.htm)

Ogre
01-15-2010, 01:37 PM
I couldn't get the link to load - what is it?Hmmm...weird. It's James Mathus's song "Turkey Buzzard in a Porkpie Hat".

And damn. Can't find a full version online. If you want to hear a clip, check allmusic:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=33:fvfqxx85ld6e

WotNot
01-15-2010, 01:43 PM
Not wearing a hat, so I can scratch my head as I wonder what's the difference between a trilby and a snap-brim fedora

There's a cross-over. A narrow-brimmed fedora can also be called a trilby, but not all trilbys are fedoras this tweed one, for instance. (http://www.highlandstore.com/acatalog/Harris_Tweed_Trilby.html)

74westy
01-15-2010, 03:16 PM
Are you sure they're not homburgs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homburg_%28hat%29). Where I live, in the '60s, you couldn't wear a suit without a homburg. It was kinda the defining characteristic of my father's generation.

Earl Snake-Hips Tucker
01-15-2010, 03:40 PM
Not much to add, other than, when I think of "homburg," I think of Mr. Drysdale (http://www.tvland.com/photogallery/photos/The-Bankers.jpg), although in a couple of eps I think he wore a trilby or something similar.

Johnny Angel
01-15-2010, 04:11 PM
I had the impression that a Trilby was either just what the Limeys called a Fedora, or it was the name of the kind of old-man fedora worn by Bear Bryant.

I've been wearing a fedora every time I left the house for twenty years. Every couple of years somebody tells me that they're coming back in style, or that some sector of the culture has taken them on as their signature. I have yet to see it really happen. I don't know why. I've never heard from anybody that they don't like the look of a fly brim. But it never seems to happen, and I suspect somebody at Hatco just puts out the now and then to see if it'll stick.

Spoke
01-15-2010, 07:58 PM
Porkpie hats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork_pie_hat) were trendy in the 80s too, prompting this Rank and File lyric poking fun at East Village hipsters:

Did you ever see a sheep in a porkpie hat?
Ever see a lemming dressed all in black?
You might have been there but I'll tell you just in case
Just take a walk down St. Mark's Place

Cat Whisperer
01-15-2010, 10:12 PM
I call all the hats hipsters wear "douchehats," but that might not be the technical term. :)

dropzone
01-15-2010, 10:23 PM
Are you sure they're not homburgs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homburg_%28hat%29). Where I live, in the '60s, you couldn't wear a suit without a homburg. It was kinda the defining characteristic of my father's generation.Ah, a Londoner whose dad worked in the City. He also carried a tightly-rolled umbrella. No guess, just a familiarity with 60-70s TV.

dropzone
01-15-2010, 10:24 PM
I associate porkpie hats with Mickey Spillaine. Mike Hammer wore one long after they stopped being stylish (were they ever stylish?).

movingfinger
01-15-2010, 10:39 PM
Another name for them is "Stenjers".

Ike Witt
01-15-2010, 10:43 PM
"And you think you're immune
But I can sell you anything
Anything from a thin safety pin
To a pork pie hat"

Joe Jackson - I'm The Man

Taomist
01-15-2010, 10:54 PM
I have to laugh a little bit, because these have been popular on college campuses for at least, oh...at least 25 years. I don't think they ever really go out of style; people just grow out of them, or something. (I love hats and don't care who's wearing what, either)

DMark
01-16-2010, 02:35 AM
When I lived in NYC in 1979 and started my first job, I was kind of surprised to see so many guys wearing hats, but only men who went into the building where I worked.

Took me a few days to realize The Cloth Hat, Cap and Millinery Workers International Union (CHCMW) was on the floor above where I worked.

From that experience, I knew exactly what hat you were referring to in the OP.
Don't know if that union still exists, or if they still have an entire floor in that NYC building, but I certainly saw lots of styles of hats for men on guys going in and out of the building, but you could tell it was sadly a dying trade in the city.

Cubsfan
01-16-2010, 07:32 AM
I call all the hats hipsters wear "douchehats," but that might not be the technical term. :)

Dude. I seriously came in here to post the exact same thing.

Douche.

mswas
01-16-2010, 08:55 AM
yep, they are porkpies or trilby's. I can hardly wait until they blow through the style window - I'd like to be able to go back to wearing mine without feeling like a trendy douchebag...

I like how you are wishing to be able to follow a trend so that you can not feel like a trendy douchebag. ;) That's pretty comical. ;)

Johnny Angel
01-16-2010, 09:30 AM
I like how you are wishing to be able to follow a trend so that you can not feel like a trendy douchebag. ;) That's pretty comical. ;)
Ironically, it'll only make people think you're a wannabe that doesn't realize he's out-of-date. And of course explaining that you've always been into the look will sound exactly like a spiel any of those conformos might give. You can't win. You'll just have to be what you are, and deal with the fact that others don't understand.

mswas
01-16-2010, 09:34 AM
Ironically, it'll only make people think you're a wannabe that doesn't realize he's out-of-date. And of course explaining that you've always been into the look will sound exactly like a spiel any of those conformos might give. You can't win. You'll just have to be what you are, and deal with the fact that others don't understand.

Well anyone who wasn't a trendy hipster would dress how they like whether or not it's in fashion. Only trendy hipsters avoid doing something they like BECAUSE it's currently in fashion. Those hats come in and out of style every 15 years or so. So you'll spend your entire life on a cycle of having your fashion be the trend, or being just out of style.

Beware of Doug
01-16-2010, 10:04 AM
Fedora (or Fedor, as my husband calls them).This (http://www.warbaby.com/fedorapix/adDobbs5.jpg) is a fedora.
The itty-bitty striped jobs are more properly called "fedorkas."

WordMan
01-16-2010, 11:47 AM
Well anyone who wasn't a trendy hipster would dress how they like whether or not it's in fashion. Only trendy hipsters avoid doing something they like BECAUSE it's currently in fashion. Those hats come in and out of style every 15 years or so. So you'll spend your entire life on a cycle of having your fashion be the trend, or being just out of style.

Dude are you trying to laugh WITH or laugh AT me? Fwiw, I wear what I want to wear, even if I look around and see hipster douchebags wearing Timberlake wannabee hats. Even trying to attempt to be a trendy hipster is so unavailable to me that it is not even an issue...thanks for the support, though.

mswas
01-16-2010, 12:10 PM
Dude are you trying to laugh WITH or laugh AT me?

I guess that depends on your sense of humor and self-assessment doesn't it?

Fwiw, I wear what I want to wear, even if I look around and see hipster douchebags wearing Timberlake wannabee hats. Even trying to attempt to be a trendy hipster is so unavailable to me that it is not even an issue...thanks for the support, though.

Something I've noticed from being around hipsters is that no one likes to diss hipsters more than a hipster. From where I'm at it simply doesn't matter. Dress how you like. Sure someone might look at you as a hipster, but whatever. Why are you so concerned about it in the first place?

And how does being a hipster become available to one? Do they not sell indy-rock, breakbeats, or underground Hip Hop in your area?

WordMan
01-16-2010, 12:20 PM
I guess that depends on your sense of humor and self-assessment doesn't it?



Something I've noticed from being around hipsters is that no one likes to diss hipsters more than a hipster. From where I'm at it simply doesn't matter. Dress how you like. Sure someone might look at you as a hipster, but whatever. Why are you so concerned about it in the first place?

And how does being a hipster become available to one? Do they not sell indy-rock, breakbeats, or underground Hip Hop in your area?

Wow, never mind. You aren't worth it. It must be great have such a pure, focused sense of self and no self-doubt. You are the man.

mswas
01-16-2010, 12:37 PM
Wow, never mind. You aren't worth it. It must be great have such a pure, focused sense of self and no self-doubt. You are the man.

LOL. I guess I struck a nerve.

WordMan
01-16-2010, 01:18 PM
LOL. I guess I struck a nerve.

Always a polite thing to do in the middle of conversation. This issue you're trying to prod me with doesn't bother me, which is why I feel no need to speak to it. Your tone bothers me - I did nothing rude and don't appreciate being treated rudely.

mswas
01-16-2010, 01:21 PM
Always a polite thing to do in the middle of conversation. This issue you're trying to prod me with doesn't bother me, which is why I feel no need to speak to it. Your tone bothers me - I did nothing rude and don't appreciate being treated rudely.

You're not being treated rudely. You voiced derision for some vague cohort. I merely pointed out how your behavior implies your belonging to that cohort. You found this offensive because you didn't want to be judged as the thing you were deriding.

WordMan
01-16-2010, 01:33 PM
You're not being treated rudely. You voiced derision for some vague cohort. I merely pointed out how your behavior implies your belonging to that cohort. You found this offensive because you didn't want to be judged as the thing you were deriding.

Because the judging was done with no context being sought in a civil way. I'm 46, live in the suburbs and am 25 pounds overweight. When I find a hat that actually works, I am a lucky man - and trust me, I don't look hip. I have been wearing variants of porkpies and other hats since college, have tried a ton of hats and admittedly looked like a dork - which is different than a douchebag; dorks are trying to emulate their hat-wearing heros like Mike Lieber (of Lieber and Stoller, the songwriting team behind Hound Dog and so many others) and Thelonius Monk - but hopelessly naive in their attempt. I'm that guy; paint away with as broad a brush as you like. Douchebags just see a hat as part of a look.

Can we be done here, Mr. Holier Than Thou?

Cat Whisperer
01-16-2010, 01:35 PM
Dude. I seriously came in here to post the exact same thing.

Douche.
Hey, now, don't be a playa hatah. :D

C K Dexter Haven
01-16-2010, 01:44 PM
MODERATOR INTERVENETH: mswas, personal insults aren't acceptable in this forum. Cool it. And, Wordman, please don't lower yourself to responding in kind.

We can surely discuss a fashion/fad, and reactions to it, without name-calling and taunting?

Cat Whisperer
01-16-2010, 01:45 PM
Yeah, but, douchehats!

Sorry, I'll be quiet now. :)

WordMan
01-16-2010, 02:10 PM
MODERATOR INTERVENETH: mswas, personal insults aren't acceptable in this forum. Cool it. And, Wordman, please don't lower yourself to responding in kind.

We can surely discuss a fashion/fad, and reactions to it, without name-calling and taunting?

Sorry - you're right.

elmwood
01-16-2010, 02:32 PM
Are you sure they're not homburgs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homburg_%28hat%29). Where I live, in the '60s, you couldn't wear a suit without a homburg. It was kinda the defining characteristic of my father's generation.

Nope. They're definitely porkpies. Homburgs look very similar to Fedoras, while there's oddly comical about the proportions of a porkpie, much like a bowler.

Johnny L.A.
01-16-2010, 03:36 PM
there's oddly comical about the proportions of a porkpie, much like a bowler.

Maybe that's part of why I like them. I'm a comical guy.

I went to a meetup (local film-watching group), and I wore my second-favourte porkpie. Someone mentioned I was wearing 'a little hat'. I got the impression she thought it was funny. An older gent showed up wearing a traditional fedora, so maybe she was just differentiating between the larger hat he wore and the smaller one I was wearing. But I prefer to think she was amused.