24: Season 8: Episode 11 (2:00am - 3:00am)

[Monstre]

FAQ Bauer (aka Thread Rules)
1) What can be discussed in plain text, unboxed?
A: Any events in episodes, once aired on the east coast -- as well as any speculation based on these already-aired events.

2) What should I confine to spoiler boxes?
A: Any discussion of upcoming shows that contains information from sources outside the aired material, or any speculation based on such things. This includes the "Next week on 24" previews, which some people choose not to watch.

3) Is Agent Junior Redshirt still actually alive?
A: I know. It's surprising. The writers may just keep teasing us all season with this kid's obvious impending doom.

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Previously on 24:

- In an attempt to camouflage himself, Farhad paints concentric multi-colored circles on his chest, then stands up and waves his arms around. Surprisingly, he still gets shot...

- Cole and Dana are still AWOL, out sinking bodies in the river. When Hastings asks where they were, they will claim an emergency meeting with their wedding planner. The original order of embossed napkins came out totally the wrong color, and they had to get it fixed right away, or the whole reception would be shot...

- Jack and Agent Babyface lead the mission at the hospital, Operation Bait-The-Hook, and in a surprise move, the junior redshirt continues to live, against all odds. But his counterpart, Marco the Junior Terrorist failed to blow himself up because his detonator was tuned to 98.9 country FM. So now he has locked himself in the catscan machine and is trying to find some other way to self-expire. If Marco fails, this may be the last suicide mission that his superiors trust him with...

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24, Season 8, Episode 11
2:00 AM - 3:00 AM

SPOILERS AHEAD!

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[Ichini Sanshigo]

Oh my god this plot line WON'T DIE.

And Dana is truly an idiot to be continuing this conversation and even volunteering info about herself. "Yeah, I work for CTU, my bra size is 36C, and my bank account number is 534278754. Is there anything else you need? Should I abandon by job again to go meet you in some creepy dark place? Yes? I'll be there in 10 minutes."

[RhapsodyInBlue]

Someone needs to take Dana's cell phone away and drop it in a bucket of water.

[RhapsodyInBlue]

Oh, yeah! THIS is the Jack I love! "I'm not playing with you. Look into my eyes."

[Monstre]

Cole: "Lie. We both know you're good at it..."
Ooooh, harsh! hahaha
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Hastings: "Can you boost the signal?"
Chloe: "You're missing the point! Someone's tapped into the feed..."

Gotta love Chloe's people skills. :-)

[Monstre]

I'm going to take your mother to the blast site. HAHAHA -- JACK!

[Monstre]

Wow -- throw Marco back into the chamber right at the last minute. Damn.

So was Marco lying about Tarin, trying to cover his buddies? Or is Tarin really the inside super-mole baddie...? In which case Omar's paranoia was correct.

[MEBuckner]

"Oh, wait, is that his name? 'Kevin Walsh'? Yeah, I don't know how he got my number, but he keeps calling me. Just what I need, a frakkin' stalker! What a creep--so he's a felon from Arkansas? Oh, that's just lovely. OK, well, I hope you catch the creep, but I really have to go--National Security, major crisis, sorry I couldn't be of more help, good luck, buh-bye!"

So was Marco lying about Tarin, trying to cover his buddies? Or is Tarin really the inside super-mole baddie...? In which case Omar's paranoia was correct.
Given that Tarin is trying to drag the First Daughter of Kablooie-stan off to "file for asylum"...at 2:30 A.M....I'm pretty sure that he must really be a terrorist. Plus, I kept thinking that if one of those two isn't a terrorist mole, the whole "We must find the President's Daughter!" sub-plot is incredibly lame (although she is quite the hottie).

3) Is Agent Junior Redshirt still actually alive?
This episode I spontaneously started thinking "Who's a little CTU agent? Who's a little CTU agent? Yes you are! Yes you are!" whenever he was on screen.

[Baracus]

This episode I spontaneously started thinking "Who's a little CTU agent? Who's a little CTU agent? Yes you are! Yes you are!" whenever he was on screen.
When the terrorists across the street kept on tracking him through the binoculars, I kept expecting him to be sniped at any moment. I suspect he will get killed and/or play some significant role later on.

The whole chamber thing was frustrating and contrived. Every time he glanced over at the schematic I kept think, if only there were some way to prevent him from seeing what he was doing. Like, you know, turning off the frigging lights! Certainly there would be some way to cut the lights and lower the oxygen content from outside the chamber.

It was kind of ironic for Hastings to say how valuable Dana and her skills were and then have her get caught lying to the parole officer ten seconds later.

[D_Odds]

That was the Jack we all know and love. The only thing that could have been better is if he said, "You should see me with a hacksaw." Or maybe, just tell Marco about his day. Since 4:00pm he has:

* Played with granddaughter
* Given up trip to LA to be with daughter and grand-daughter
* Been tasered
* Been knifed by a friend in the gut
* Been tortured by a car battery to the balls
* Been shot at with a shotgun at close range
* Been tasered again

All this in 10 hours...and I may have missed something. And this is a relatively light day for Jack.

[gwendee]

Do we think that guy is really a parole officer?

[D_Odds]

"We" think that he was in on the theft, or that deceased ex owed him big time. Parole officers do not call at 2:30a.

[Monstre]

"Oh, wait, is that his name? 'Kevin Walsh'? Yeah, I don't know how he got my number, but he keeps calling me. Just what I need, a frakkin' stalker! What a creep--so he's a felon from Arkansas? Oh, that's just lovely. OK, well, I hope you catch the creep, but I really have to go--National Security, major crisis, sorry I couldn't be of more help, good luck, buh-bye!"
EXACTLY! The fact that this wasn't her response proves just what an idiot Dana/Jenny actually is.

Of course, in this show, we've seen that CTU can trace and download the contents of any cell phone call within the hour -- so chances are that Mr. Parole Officer would somehow go to her boss and find out what she actually said in those calls ("No, I'm not Jenny any more, leave me alone Kevin! Oh, and here are all the codes for breaking into the evidence warehouse..."). Come to think of it, that last call was a rather lengthy one...

[Monstre]

The whole chamber thing was frustrating and contrived. Every time he glanced over at the schematic I kept think, if only there were some way to prevent him from seeing what he was doing. Like, you know, turning off the frigging lights! Certainly there would be some way to cut the lights and lower the oxygen content from outside the chamber.
Yeah, I was wondering why they didn't smoke him out or knock him out by piping in some gas or something -- something to just render him unconscious. I mean, that ploy worked last season when Jack and Tony were trying to get that foreign dignitary out of the panic room. And that was just a makeshift poison made from household supplies. They're in a frickin hospital, for Bauer's sake! Plenty of compounds and drugs that could be used to send somebody to happy-happy-sleep-land. Don't tell me that the ventilation system for the oxygen chamber was more secure than the season 7 Panic Room...

I was also wondering about that attempt to "drill through". I mean, they were drilling a tiny little hole. So what? How would that help them open the door?

Marco blowing up (after Jack shoved him back into the chamber) was kind of cool, though. Gotta admit.

[RhapsodyInBlue]

Marco blowing up (after Jack shoved him back into the chamber) was kind of cool, though. Gotta admit.

Jack really should spend the next hour shaking his head and saying, "What? Would you mind repeating that?"

Did you catch what happened to Marcos' father? I know he's dead, but I missed the explanation.

[cmyk]

Jack really should spend the next hour shaking his head and saying, "What? Would you mind repeating that?"

Did you catch what happened to Marcos' father? I know he's dead, but I missed the explanation.

He killed himself.

[Monstre]

Jack really should spend the next hour shaking his head and saying, "What? Would you mind repeating that?"
He's pretty used to explosions by now. They probably don't faze him. Loud rap music from passing cars, however, probably pisses the crap out of him.

Oh, and Jack eats shrapnel with milk for breakfast.

[RhapsodyInBlue]

He killed himself.

Did they say why he killed himself? Marcos seemed to blame The Great Satan (TM), but Mom reminded him that his father was "a complicated man."

Oh, and Jack eats shrapnel with milk for breakfast.

I believe it. He really could use an occasional bran muffin.


On Tuesday Variety ran a story (http://weblogs.variety.com/on_the_air/2010/03/clock-winds-down-on-24-kiefer-and-company-call-it-a-day.html)saying the decision to keep or cancel "24" will be made this week.

[MEBuckner]

Did they say why he killed himself? Marcos seemed to blame The Great Satan (TM), but Mom reminded him that his father was "a complicated man."
He was arrested during Wayne Palmer's administration. IIRC, they said he was released without being charged after a few months, but lost his job. The "complicated man" was in response to Marcos saying his dad had "hated America"--well, yes; but he also moved to and lived in America, married an American woman, had an American son, and in any event (according to Marcos' mom at least) would never have condoned political violence.

[RhapsodyInBlue]

Thanks, MEBuckner! Sounds like he missed a great opportunity to sue the government.

[Justin_Bailey]

On Tuesday Variety ran a story (http://weblogs.variety.com/on_the_air/2010/03/clock-winds-down-on-24-kiefer-and-company-call-it-a-day.html)saying the decision to keep or cancel "24" will be made this week.

I'd say its time. And the show has definitely bounced back from the lameness of season 6 and parts of season 7 (mostly the end). So it can go out on top.

[D_Odds]

If they kill 24, it will resurrect in the theatres. Either it will be one hell of a long movie, or all the filler storylines (like Dana/Cole and whatever the perv is adding) will go by the wayside.

No spoilers, but for those who watched the previews, what did you think of them announcing the times that things were going to happen? I liked the change of pace. Have they done that before and I just forgot about it or missed it?

[Gangster Octopus]

He's pretty used to explosions by now. They probably don't faze him. Loud rap music from passing cars, however, probably pisses the crap out of him.


Oh, and Jack eats shrapnel with milk for breakfast.

And shits punches.

Best line of the night,

"First thing I am going to do is make your mom clean up you bloddy remains." Or something like that.

[Windwalker]

And shits punches.

Best line of the night,

"First thing I am going to do is make your mom clean up you bloddy remains." Or something like that.

Was a great line but totally lacking credibility. How stupid do you have to be to think that this guy would actually follow through on any of the threats against his mother? The son wouldn't be around to see it, so there wouldn't be any point, since the sole purpose of hurting mom would be to make the kid talk or at least hurt the kid.

Completely empty threat, and no amount of Jack-eyes can really make it seem credible.

Though I guess the thought process of a suicide bomber is probably not the most logical...

[Monstre]

No spoilers, but for those who watched the previews, what did you think of them announcing the times that things were going to happen? I liked the change of pace. Have they done that before and I just forgot about it or missed it?
I don't recall ever seeing them do that kind of a thing in a "next week on 24" promo before.

Given the context of the rest of the scenes in it, the first event (with an announced time) is easy to guess - i.e. what it will be.

Interesting way to do the promo -- although I'm not yet decided on whether I like it in general. I like a good promo, but I don't want them to telegraph TOO much.

[Monstre]

Was a great line but totally lacking credibility. How stupid do you have to be to think that this guy would actually follow through on any of the threats against his mother? The son wouldn't be around to see it, so there wouldn't be any point, since the sole purpose of hurting mom would be to make the kid talk or at least hurt the kid.

Completely empty threat, and no amount of Jack-eyes can really make it seem credible.

Though I guess the thought process of a suicide bomber is probably not the most logical...
Yeah, I didn't really think Jack would go through with that kind of a threat. But he's talking to a stupid mixed-up emotional kid, who has a bomb strapped to his chest and isn't thinking logically. And Jack's good at being convincing. He could have been more convincing if he brought mom back in and threatened to gouge her eyes out in front of Marcos, or something -- although I suppose Hastings would have pulled the plug on that if he tried such a bluff.

[D_Odds]

Was Jack bluffing? Hmmm....

They had already cut the feed when Jack was making his threats, so he could have pulled the mother in. I could definitely see Jack shooting her in the leg to get Marco to talk.

[tr0psn4j]

I really didn't think Hassan's Daughter's Boy Friend was going to be a bad guy. I always just assumed he would somehow save the day and fall back into Hassan's graces. Although I probably should have seen it coming since it is a classic 24 scenario. I wonder if Hassan's Daughter will be with the guy when he is successfully captured alive. Except, despite the successful capture, she can't contain herself and kills him before he can be properly interrogated.

The dumb kid falling for Jack's threat was pretty stupid but Dana is stupider by at least 5 levels.

How is Cole going to explain the gun shots on his car? "Uh, yeah, I was coming back from that lead that didn't pan out. You know, the one I never told you about or reported in during. Well anyway, I was coming back from that lead and I drove through a drive by. Yeah. That's right... A. Drive. By. Oh and I picked up my fiance on my way back."

They didn't even bother spacing out there entrances.

Also, let me get this straight. Dumb Kid is in a solid metal air tight tank and he makes a phone call? Faraday is apparently a dumbass.

[MaxTheVool]

My comment is the same as it has been for the past several episodes:
-Things directly involving Jack are fairly awesome
-Things involving Dana defy the limits of stupidity
-Everything else is OK but not great