The WoW "Burning Dog Legion" (Cairne/Horde) 10-man Raid List. [Archive]

Yeticus Rex

03-15-2010, 12:36 PM

Ok, some more time has gone by and I want to do another head count.....

How many different Dopers have a level 80 Horde character on Cairne?

What if we start scheduling (in April) Monday nights at 10pm Eastern (7pm Pacific) to start doing 10-man raids? Even if we have 8 or 9 players start, we should be able to get through Naxxramas, right? Even if some players have a brand spanking new 80, all the more reason to get in there with us to improve their gear. The list does not have to stop at ten......12-15 (or even more!) would be optimal.

Does Monday Nights seem to be optimal for everyone? We could get a better consensus if we all take a copy of this list below and add your doper name, Character(s) name (T, H, D for Tank, Healer, or DPS.....or a combination) and best night(s) you are willing to play and the time zone you are in:

Burning Dog Legion 10-Man Raid List:

1. Yeticus Rex / Yeticalayla (D) / Mon or Wed. / Pacific

Skammer

03-15-2010, 12:45 PM

Excellent! I hope we can get something regularly scheduled. Kene is pretty much healing focused, but if we start small (Naxx, OS for example) he's overgeared enough to do decent DPS if needed.

Burning Dog Legion 10-Man Raid List:

1. Yeticus Rex / Yeticalayla (D) / Mon or Wed. / Pacific
2. Skammer / Kene (H, D) / Mon or Fri / Central

Tom Scud

03-15-2010, 12:51 PM

3. Tom Scud / Muzungu (T, D) (possibly later Rumpole (D, H?)) / Mon or Thu / central.

As I recall, there was an issue back when BDL was actually raiding before with Mondays, because it's at the end of the raid week. Players who were actually actively looking for raid groups would get into PuG or semi-PuG runs and end up saved to a bunch of raids.

This probably won't be a problem for us while we're doing Naxx or OS (as long as it's not the weekly), or even Uld, probably, but might crop up as an issue if we start doing Ony or ToC or even (dare I hope) ICC.

Skammer

03-15-2010, 01:11 PM

As I recall, there was an issue back when BDL was actually raiding before with Mondays, because it's at the end of the raid week. Players who were actually actively looking for raid groups would get into PuG or semi-PuG runs and end up saved to a bunch of raids. You know, I would not object to moving the Wednesday alt dungeon run to Monday and leaving Wednesday open for raids if this becomes an issue. I just have to check with my friend (Mordrin) to make sure he is available on Mondays.

twhitt

03-15-2010, 02:07 PM

Hey BDL! While I don't have an 80 on Cairne, if this does happen I would be interested in rolling here. I gave some consideration to it once before, but the fact that you all didn't raid was a bit of a bummer. That, and the latency; I'm a long way from the server in Seattle. Subscribing to this thread.

Yeticus Rex

03-15-2010, 02:08 PM

3. Tom Scud / Muzungu (T, D) (possibly later Rumpole (D, H?)) / Mon or Thu / central.
Which ever toon you feel most comfortable with is fine....you could even alternate them if it suits your personal endeavors. Who knows, we may run some of these raids more than once so you could alternate them. I guess we will know more when the time comes and the composition of the raid members and the needs of the group.

As I recall, there was an issue back when BDL was actually raiding before with Mondays, because it's at the end of the raid week. Players who were actually actively looking for raid groups would get into PuG or semi-PuG runs and end up saved to a bunch of raids.
Very good point. I really don't know too much about resets and I really do not want to portray myself as the leader of the raid (I'm sooooooo underqualified), but I just wanted to take our characters/guild to the next level, hence this list.

This probably won't be a problem for us while we're doing Naxx or OS (as long as it's not the weekly), or even Uld, probably, but might crop up as an issue if we start doing Ony or ToC or even (dare I hope) ICC.
I dare to hope too.

You know, I would not object to moving the Wednesday alt dungeon run to Monday and leaving Wednesday open for raids if this becomes an issue. I just have to check with my friend (Mordrin) to make sure he is available on Mondays.
Great idea.....hope it works out!

Yeticus Rex

03-15-2010, 02:14 PM

Burning Dog Legion 10-Man Raid List:

1. Yeticus Rex / Yeticalayla (D) / Mon or Wed. / Pacific
2. Skammer / Kene (H, D) / Mon or Fri / Central
3. Tom Scud / Muzungu (T, D) (possibly later Rumpole (D, H?)) / Mon or Thu / central.
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Also, if you have a mid-70s and higher toon, let us know if you're interested! Just work on getting it to 80 ASAP!

twhitt, are you thinking of a transfer or power-leveling a DK?

Nanook of the North Shore

03-15-2010, 02:49 PM

Skammer

03-15-2010, 03:12 PM

I'd be tempted to PL a DK there to join in if you wish. My main is on Farstriders and is a tank, but all my friends are there so he's not going anywhere. But something to do when I'm not raiding on him would be neat. I can go tank or dps, whatever is needed and I know all the raids mentioned(since my main is MT for an end game raiding guild). Your experience would be valuable, then, because our raid experience is fairly limited.

Yeti: If you can you should create a guild announcement in-game to refer people to this thread.

Yeticus Rex

03-15-2010, 03:20 PM

Yeti: If you can you should create a guild announcement in-game to refer people to this thread.

I don't know how to do that.......does that have something to do with the guild rank? Because I'm a 3.

Yeticus Rex

03-15-2010, 03:34 PM

Your experience would be valuable, then, because our raid experience is fairly limited.

Agreed.

BTW: Nook, miss you on the SDMB poker! We're still alive and kicking (11 players and rising!) on Thursday nights!

Skammer

03-15-2010, 03:41 PM

I don't know how to do that.......does that have something to do with the guild rank? Because I'm a 3. You do have to be a certain rank, but I don't know what that rank is. I'll be on tonight so I'll add the announcement if I remember to.

FlightlessBird

03-15-2010, 03:42 PM

4. FlightlessBird / Rottingbird | Lightbird (D | D,T(or can respec H)) / M,T,W,R / Pacific.

Bosstone

03-15-2010, 04:01 PM

twhitt

03-15-2010, 04:16 PM

twhitt, are you thinking of a transfer or power-leveling a DK?I would power-level anything, actually. 1-80 doesn't really take so long. It would depend on my mood, and the need, but I expect I could get something able to take on Naxx-10 inside of two weeks, if I get around to it. Shaman, possibly - you guys don't have a Lust or a Totem of Wrath buff. If you find one, I'll think some more. This is all in the super-hypothetical realm, by the way.

Nanook of the North Shore

03-15-2010, 04:17 PM

I'll roll one up today. I can go tank or DPS as needed. I would prefer pacific based raid times.

Yeticus Rex

03-15-2010, 08:03 PM

Whatever you two feel most comfortable with.......here's our guild (http://www.wowarmory.com/guild-info.xml?r=Cairne&gn=Burning+Dog+Legion) to peruse through.....although a good deal of 80s are alts.

My guess is that a DK and a Shammy would probably be most welcomed here. As for Tank or DPS or Healer.....I think we could use any combination, so probably it comes down to what you're comfortable with.

Orr, G.

03-15-2010, 08:08 PM

Mister Rik

03-15-2010, 08:15 PM

Runestar

03-15-2010, 08:57 PM

CreaseMunky

03-15-2010, 09:49 PM

The only thing I can think of that hasn't already been mentioned is we're definitely going to need to get a Vent set up.

My schedule is going to be all over the place for the next 2 months because of hockey games. Game days and times change every week. Looking at my calendar, the only nights I consistently have free are Sunday and Tuesday.

1. Yeticus Rex / Yeticalayla (D) / Mon or Wed. / Pacific
2. Skammer / Kene (H, D) / Mon or Fri / Central
3. Tom Scud / Muzungu (T, D) (possibly later Rumpole (D, H?)) / Mon or Thu / central.
4. FlightlessBird / Rottingbird | Lightbird (D | D,T(or can respec H)) / M,T,W,R / Pacific.
5. Bosstone / Nahren (H, D) / All nights / Pacific
6. Rasz (ranged deeps), I have become unstuck in time, so it's all good.
7. (Tentative) Mister Rik / Keliraeda (D) Can't really commit to this, though, since my irregular work schedule interferes with attending a regularly-scheduled event.
8. Runestar / Kalathan (D). Any nights but Mon/Wed, but could probably switch my Wednesday night - I pair up with a friend and we adventure together. However, I just have to be careful not to do too much WoW, or I invite wife aggro.
9. Creasemunky / Jarryn (D,H) Tiavet (D) / Varies / Central

Jragon

03-15-2010, 10:57 PM

1. Yeticus Rex / Yeticalayla (D) / Mon or Wed. / Pacific
2. Skammer / Kene (H, D) / Mon or Fri / Central
3. Tom Scud / Muzungu (T, D) (possibly later Rumpole (D, H?)) / Mon or Thu / central.
4. FlightlessBird / Rottingbird | Lightbird (D | D,T(or can respec H)) / M,T,W,R / Pacific.
5. Bosstone / Nahren (H, D) / All nights / Pacific
6. Rasz (ranged deeps), I have become unstuck in time, so it's all good.
7. (Tentative) Mister Rik / Keliraeda (D) Can't really commit to this, though, since my irregular work schedule interferes with attending a regularly-scheduled event.
8. Runestar / Kalathan (D). Any nights but Mon/Wed, but could probably switch my Wednesday night - I pair up with a friend and we adventure together. However, I just have to be careful not to do too much WoW, or I invite wife aggro.
9. Creasemunky / Jarryn (D,H) Tiavet (D) / Varies / Central
10.) Jsor (D) / Free any night time slot (this semester thru summer at least) / Arizona time zone (so I vary between what DST we're on at any given moment).

I know I sort of dropped out (AGAIN), but the game was getting rather stagnant, if we get raids going I'll probably start playing again.

ETA: I'd prefer to do all of the raids at least once, but WoW-heroes says I'm set gear-wise to do any 10-man currently available so whatever we decide to do I'm game.

JayRx1981

03-16-2010, 01:06 AM

Eonwe

03-16-2010, 01:11 AM

1. Yeticus Rex / Yeticalayla (D) / Mon or Wed. / Pacific
2. Skammer / Kene (H, D) / Mon or Fri / Central
3. Tom Scud / Muzungu (T, D) (possibly later Rumpole (D, H?)) / Mon or Thu / central.
4. FlightlessBird / Rottingbird | Lightbird (D | D,T(or can respec H)) / M,T,W,R / Pacific.
5. Bosstone / Nahren (H, D) / All nights / Pacific
6. Rasz (ranged deeps), I have become unstuck in time, so it's all good.
7. (Tentative) Mister Rik / Keliraeda (D) Can't really commit to this, though, since my irregular work schedule interferes with attending a regularly-scheduled event.
8. Runestar / Kalathan (D). Any nights but Mon/Wed, but could probably switch my Wednesday night - I pair up with a friend and we adventure together. However, I just have to be careful not to do too much WoW, or I invite wife aggro.
9. Creasemunky / Jarryn (D,H) Tiavet (D) / Varies / Central
10.) Jsor (D) / Free any night time slot (this semester thru summer at least) / Arizona time zone (so I vary between what DST we're on at any given moment).
11.) Rahuul / Free any night after 10pm EST
12. Blumunk / Mogbog (T) / Tuesdays, maybe Mondays / Eastern

I'd be interested. I have a mid 70s warrior tank (Mogbog). In general Tuesdays are ideal, but due to my work schedule I really can't commit an evening regularly week after week after week.

Skammer

03-16-2010, 08:32 AM

I went with some Moogle Mafia guys this past weekend and we had a blast. Hopefully I'll get invited to go with them again (25 ICC is hard to beat). Ooh, I raided with them recently too, they're a good group.

The only thing I can think of that hasn't already been mentioned is we're definitely going to need to get a Vent set up. I was thinking the same thing. Anyone know how to do that? Is there anyway for it to be free?

However, I just have to be careful not to do too much WoW, or I invite wife aggro. Preach it. Are you me?

Nice to see we have 12 already, even if some are tentative and the times do not align perfectly.

Tom Scud

03-16-2010, 08:50 AM

I'd be interested. I have a mid 70s warrior tank (Mogbog). In general Tuesdays are ideal, but due to my work schedule I really can't commit an evening regularly week after week after week.

Another tank (even an occasional) would be good. I'm assuming we'll also have Reinsgaard/Proditio/Kahmu/Ragemode (all one player, and I forget his Dope name) at least some of the time. BTW, I'm currently leveling a shadow priest into his early/mid 70s - if we're on at the same time i'd love to tag along with a tank for instances. ;)

FlightlessBird

03-16-2010, 03:19 PM

Trying to catch this thread before it falls off the front page.

So it looks like there are 9 on the list with availability on Monday. Should we make an appointment for Monday night? I'll log on tonight and create 3 events in the guild calendar for 6, 7, and 8 pm PT on Monday. Just confirm which ones you *could* make. And before Monday, we'll pick the best time with the most confirmed. Is 2 hours to run enough time for fun? 3?
(note: only use one character to respond.)
(notenote: I don't remember all the fights, so hopefully one of us can walk the rest through it)

I choose early for the Central TimeZone people. But if we want I can add 9pm or even 10pm, speak up.

I just checked wow-heroes.com and 7 of the Monday-9 are green for naxx10 and os10. And most of you are even green through some of the harder content. I think we could probably 9man it (or 8 or 7 even). So that'll be good for filling in some gear gaps, or gearing up your off-specs.

As for Ventrilo, my system doesn't look too good to handle wow and vent over wifi, but if anyone else wants to volunteer a system, I'll pay the fee. hold on... ok, I found some servers off of ventrilo.com that will host for as low as 4.99/mo. I can handle it for now. No need to use anyone's system.

Sooo whaddya say dogs? Legionnaires Unite?

Yeticus Rex

03-16-2010, 03:49 PM

As for Ventrilo, my system doesn't look too good to handle wow and vent over wifi, but if anyone else wants to volunteer a system, I'll pay the fee. hold on... ok, I found some servers off of ventrilo.com that will host for as low as 4.99/mo. I can handle it for now. No need to use anyone's system.

Sooo whaddya say dogs? Legionnaires Unite?

I can mail you a check for $10-$20 to cover for 2-4 months.

Yeticus Rex

03-16-2010, 04:02 PM

Burning Dog Legion 10-Man Raid List:

1. Yeticus Rex / Yeticalayla (D) / Mon or Wed. / Pacific
2. Skammer / Kene (H, D) / Mon or Fri / Central
3. Tom Scud / Muzungu (T, D) (possibly later Rumpole (D, H?)) / Mon or Thu / central.
4. FlightlessBird / Rottingbird | Lightbird (D | D,T(or can respec H)) / M,T,W,R / Pacific.
5. Bosstone / Nahren (H, D) / All nights / Pacific
6. Orr, G. / Rasz (ranged deeps), I have become unstuck in time, so it's all good.
7. Mister Rik (Tentative) / Keliraeda (D) Can't really commit to this, though, since my irregular work schedule interferes with attending a regularly-scheduled event.
8. Runestar / Kalathan (D). Any nights but Mon/Wed, but could probably switch my Wednesday night - I pair up with a friend and we adventure together. However, I just have to be careful not to do too much WoW, or I invite wife aggro.
9. Creasemunky / Jarryn (D,H) Tiavet (D) / Varies / Central
10. Jragon / Jsor (D) / Free any night time slot (this semester thru summer at least) / Arizona time zone (so I vary between what DST we're on at any given moment).
11. JayRx1981 / Rahuul / Free any night after 10pm EST
12. Eonwe / Blumunk / Mogbog (T) / Tuesdays, maybe Mondays / Eastern
13. twhitt / PENDING
14. Nanook / PENDING
15. ?
16. ?
17. ?
18. ?
19. ?
20. ?!?!

(Would be so cool to get 25+)

Jas09

03-16-2010, 06:02 PM

If you wanna throw my level 80 DK Darland an invite he can be a backup tank for y'all. I've cleared everything save Yogg and the Lich King on my main, so fight familiarity won't be an issue. The DK is geared enough to tank or DPS up to ICC10.

I have generally moved my raiding activity to the weekends, but one night of occasional 10-man action with folks I know won't hurt, right?

Yeticus Rex

03-16-2010, 06:57 PM

Yeticus Rex

03-16-2010, 07:12 PM

Burning Dog Legion 10-Man Raid List:

1. Yeticus Rex / Yeticalayla (D) / Mon or Wed. / Pacific
2. Skammer / Kene (H, D) / Mon or Fri / Central
3. Tom Scud / Muzungu (T, D) (possibly later Rumpole (D, H?)) / Mon or Thu / central.
4. FlightlessBird / Rottingbird | Lightbird (D | D,T(or can respec H)) / M,T,W,R / Pacific.
5. Bosstone / Nahren (H, D) / All nights / Pacific
6. Orr, G. / Rasz (ranged deeps), I have become unstuck in time, so it's all good.
7. Mister Rik (Tentative) / Keliraeda (D) Can't really commit to this, though, since my irregular work schedule interferes with attending a regularly-scheduled event.
8. Runestar / Kalathan (D). Any nights but Mon/Wed, but could probably switch my Wednesday night - I pair up with a friend and we adventure together. However, I just have to be careful not to do too much WoW, or I invite wife aggro.
9. Creasemunky / Jarryn (D,H) Tiavet (D) / Varies / Central
10. Jragon / Jsor (D) / Free any night time slot (this semester thru summer at least) / Arizona time zone (so I vary between what DST we're on at any given moment).
11. JayRx1981 / Rahuul / Free any night after 10pm EST
12. Eonwe / Blumunk / Mogbog (T) / Tuesdays, maybe Mondays / Eastern
13. The Lurker only known as: Reinsgaard (T/D) / Kahmu (T/H) / Proditio (T/D) / Ragemode (H/D) / Any weekday / Eastern
14. Nanook / PENDING
15. twhitt / PENDING
16. ?
17. ?
18. ?
19. ?
20. ?!?!

Anamorphic

03-16-2010, 07:14 PM

Jas09

03-16-2010, 07:44 PM

Question: Do all 10 members in the raid have to be from the same guild to get some or all the achievements?You don't need to be in the same guild for any in-game achievements. Some third-party guild ranking sites require a certain number of guildies for it to count for progression purposes, but that's not really relevant for the BDL's current ambitions.

That said, obviously guild members should have priority. Just throwing my toon into the mix in case you need another tank, melee DPS, or just somebody familiar with the fights. :)

Shot From Guns

03-17-2010, 08:58 AM

Question: Do all 10 members in the raid have to be from the same guild to get some or all the achievements?

Oh man, could you imagine the massive outcry if they enabled that? No, as Jas09 said, there are currently no guild restrictions on achievements, nor are there any plans to create such restrictions. What is in the works is (a) realm transfer restrictions on server-first achievements and (b) guild progression bonuses.

Yeticus Rex

03-17-2010, 02:15 PM

Do you guys need another priest in the guild? My main is on Lightbringer, and I won't be moving him, but I do have a level 70 priest languishing on a server where I don't know anyone. I'm thinking maybe I'll do a transfer to Cairne and join up with you guys, if you'll have me!

You're a Doper......welcome aboard! When you do the transfer, let us know your toon's name so we can look out for you to give you the /ginvite.

Anamorphic

03-17-2010, 02:23 PM

You're a Doper......welcome aboard! When you do the transfer, let us know your toon's name so we can look out for you to give you the /ginvite.Thanks! Transfer already went through (they do that quickly now!). The name is Dunwich.

Thanks! See you in game.

Yeticus Rex

03-17-2010, 03:19 PM

Anamorphic, will you be leveling your priest in order to be available for the 10-Man Raids, or just be a more casual guildie? If the former, sign-up!

Headrush042

03-17-2010, 03:25 PM

Been tossing around the idea of playing again on Amarynth. I'm not sure how often I'll be able to raid, though (at least until mid-May), as my current schedule includes going to bed early -- and Tues and Sun are out entirely (rehearsal nights). If I do end up coming back, some of you may recall I'm specced both Prot and Holy, with decent gear for either (at least for 10-mans).

Skammer

03-17-2010, 03:29 PM

Wow, this is excellent. I'm particularly excited about getting a vent channel -- that will even be useful outside of raids, like for casual 5-mans or the Wed. night runs. Let me know if I can contribute (up to an amount my wife won't notice).

Anamorphic

03-17-2010, 03:40 PM

Anamorphic, will you be leveling your priest in order to be available for the 10-Man Raids, or just be a more casual guildie? If the former, sign-up!Sure, I would love that. He's 73 now (actually, one rested bubble away from 74). I'm not sure how long it'll take to get to 80, since my available time to play ebbs and flows from 'lots' to 'not much at all'. But I'd love to be a part of the raids when I get there!

JackaRoe

03-17-2010, 06:36 PM

Burning Dog Legion 10-Man Raid List:

1. Yeticus Rex / Yeticalayla (D) / Mon or Wed. / Pacific
2. Skammer / Kene (H, D) / Mon or Fri / Central
3. Tom Scud / Muzungu (T, D) (possibly later Rumpole (D, H?)) / Mon or Thu / central.
4. FlightlessBird / Rottingbird | Lightbird (D | D,T(or can respec H)) / M,T,W,R / Pacific.
5. Bosstone / Nahren (H, D) / All nights / Pacific
6. Orr, G. / Rasz (ranged deeps), I have become unstuck in time, so it's all good.
7. Mister Rik (Tentative) / Keliraeda (D) Can't really commit to this, though, since my irregular work schedule interferes with attending a regularly-scheduled event.
8. Runestar / Kalathan (D). Any nights but Mon/Wed, but could probably switch my Wednesday night - I pair up with a friend and we adventure together. However, I just have to be careful not to do too much WoW, or I invite wife aggro.
9. Creasemunky / Jarryn (D,H) Tiavet (D) / Varies / Central
10. Jragon / Jsor (D) / Free any night time slot (this semester thru summer at least) / Arizona time zone (so I vary between what DST we're on at any given moment).
11. JayRx1981 / Rahuul / Free any night after 10pm EST
12. Eonwe / Blumunk / Mogbog (T) / Tuesdays, maybe Mondays / Eastern
13. The Lurker only known as: Reinsgaard (T/D) / Kahmu (T/H) / Proditio (T/D) / Ragemode (H/D) / Any weekday / Eastern
14. Nanook / PENDING
15. twhitt / PENDING
16. Jackaroe and these are my 80s-Cugel hunter gerared DPS, Antiigno DK not geared dual spec dps/tank (but never tanked dungeons) , Reith Paly dps not geared.
17. ?
18. ?
19. ?
20. ?!?!

I can do Mondays and Wednsedays, and alternating weekends. I am on EST.

Anamorphic

03-17-2010, 08:37 PM

1. Yeticus Rex / Yeticalayla (D) / Mon or Wed. / Pacific
2. Skammer / Kene (H, D) / Mon or Fri / Central
3. Tom Scud / Muzungu (T, D) (possibly later Rumpole (D, H?)) / Mon or Thu / central.
4. FlightlessBird / Rottingbird | Lightbird (D | D,T(or can respec H)) / M,T,W,R / Pacific.
5. Bosstone / Nahren (H, D) / All nights / Pacific
6. Orr, G. / Rasz (ranged deeps), I have become unstuck in time, so it's all good.
7. Mister Rik (Tentative) / Keliraeda (D) Can't really commit to this, though, since my irregular work schedule interferes with attending a regularly-scheduled event.
8. Runestar / Kalathan (D). Any nights but Mon/Wed, but could probably switch my Wednesday night - I pair up with a friend and we adventure together. However, I just have to be careful not to do too much WoW, or I invite wife aggro.
9. Creasemunky / Jarryn (D,H) Tiavet (D) / Varies / Central
10. Jragon / Jsor (D) / Free any night time slot (this semester thru summer at least) / Arizona time zone (so I vary between what DST we're on at any given moment).
11. JayRx1981 / Rahuul / Free any night after 10pm EST
12. Eonwe / Blumunk / Mogbog (T) / Tuesdays, maybe Mondays / Eastern
13. The Lurker only known as: Reinsgaard (T/D) / Kahmu (T/H) / Proditio (T/D) / Ragemode (H/D) / Any weekday / Eastern
14. Nanook / PENDING
15. twhitt / PENDING
16. Jackaroe and these are my 80s-Cugel hunter gerared DPS, Antiigno DK not geared dual spec dps/tank (but never tanked dungeons) , Reith Paly dps not geared.
17. Dunwich - Holy priest, although I can certainly switch to shadow if more dps is needed.
18. ?
19. ?
20. ?!?!

My Darn Snake Legs

03-17-2010, 08:38 PM

Man, I hate leveling. I should really level something up to 80 on Cairne. Pangolin is mid-60, so I'll work on him when I have time.

[ I have several 80s with decent/good gear, but they're alliance and on a different server. It would cost a fortune to transfer them over. :-P ]

twhitt

03-18-2010, 02:35 AM

1. Yeticus Rex / Yeticalayla (D) / Mon or Wed. / Pacific
2. Skammer / Kene (H, D) / Mon or Fri / Central
3. Tom Scud / Muzungu (T, D) (possibly later Rumpole (D, H?)) / Mon or Thu / central.
4. FlightlessBird / Rottingbird | Lightbird (D | D,T(or can respec H)) / M,T,W,R / Pacific.
5. Bosstone / Nahren (H, D) / All nights / Pacific
6. Orr, G. / Rasz (ranged deeps), I have become unstuck in time, so it's all good.
7. Mister Rik (Tentative) / Keliraeda (D) Can't really commit to this, though, since my irregular work schedule interferes with attending a regularly-scheduled event.
8. Runestar / Kalathan (D). Any nights but Mon/Wed, but could probably switch my Wednesday night - I pair up with a friend and we adventure together. However, I just have to be careful not to do too much WoW, or I invite wife aggro.
9. Creasemunky / Jarryn (D,H) Tiavet (D) / Varies / Central
10. Jragon / Jsor (D) / Free any night time slot (this semester thru summer at least) / Arizona time zone (so I vary between what DST we're on at any given moment).
11. JayRx1981 / Rahuul / Free any night after 10pm EST
12. Eonwe / Blumunk / Mogbog (T) / Tuesdays, maybe Mondays / Eastern
13. The Lurker only known as: Reinsgaard (T/D) / Kahmu (T/H) / Proditio (T/D) / Ragemode (H/D) / Any weekday / Eastern
14. Nanook / PENDING
15. twhitt / Mefistofele (D, H) / Expect to be 80 by early April
16. Jackaroe and these are my 80s-Cugel hunter gerared DPS, Antiigno DK not geared dual spec dps/tank (but never tanked dungeons) , Reith Paly dps not geared.
17. Dunwich - Holy priest, although I can certainly switch to shadow if more dps is needed.
18. ?
19. ?
20. ?!?!

Skammer

03-18-2010, 08:14 AM

21. Profit!!

It just seemed like that was missing.

FlightlessBird

03-18-2010, 10:57 AM

So after I setup the 3 raid times it looks like 9pmCT is winning. The decision hasn't been made yet, so keep those responses coming in. (Right now 9pm CT has 5 confirmed, 3 tentative)

Also I'll be setting up the Vent this weekend, and I'll post the info on the guildinfo panel.

Yeticus Rex

03-18-2010, 05:18 PM

Burning Dog Legion 10-Man Raid List:

1. Yeticus Rex / Yeticalayla (D - Pally) / Mon or Wed. / Pacific
2. Skammer / Kene (H/D - Priest) / Mon or Fri / Central
3. Tom Scud / Muzungu (T/D) (possibly later Rumpole (D/H?)) / Mon or Thu / central.
4. FlightlessBird / Rottingbird | Lightbird (D | D,T(or can respec H)) / M,T,W,R / Pacific.
5. Bosstone / Nahren (H/D) / All nights / Pacific
6. Orr, G. / Rasz (D-Ranged) / All nights / Any time
7. Runestar / Kalathan (D). Any nights but Mon/Wed, but could probably switch my Wednesday night - I pair up with a friend and we adventure together.
8. Creasemunky / Jarryn (D,H) Tiavet (D) / Varies / Central
9. Jragon / Jsor (D) / Free any night time slot (this semester thru summer at least) / Arizona time zone (so I vary between what DST we're on at any given moment).
10. JayRx1981 / Rahuul / Free any night after 10pm EST
11. Eonwe / Blumunk / Mogbog (T) / Tuesdays, maybe Mondays / Eastern
12. The Lurker only known as: Reinsgaard (T/D) / Kahmu (T/H) / Proditio (T/D) / Ragemode (H/D) / Any weekday / Eastern
13. twhitt / Mefistofele (D, H) / Expect to be 80 by early April
14. JackaRoe / Cugel (D-hunter) /, Antiigno (D/T - DK) / Reith (D - Pally) / M,W,AltWknds / Eastern
15. Anamorphic / Dunwich - (H/D - Priest)
16. Jas09 / Darland (D - DK) / one weeknight
17. Mister Rik / Keliraeda (D) Can't really commit to this, though, since my irregular work schedule interferes with attending a regularly-scheduled event. PENDING
18. Nanook / PENDING
19. Headrush042 / Amarynth (T/H - Pally) / Not Tues or Sun / PENDING
20. My Darn Snake Legs / Pangolin / PENDING
21. ?
22. ?
23. ?
24. ?
25. PROFIT!!!

This really isn't an ordered list, but a headcount list.....I (Yeti) by no means is "first" for anything re: our raid group. I did place the "PENDING" folks towards the bottom just to give us a quick headcount list. I realize that some of us won't be able to play every week and that's ok......we're not expecting mandatory attendance, BUT we do expect to have enough each week.

Jragon

03-20-2010, 10:40 PM

FlightlessBird

03-21-2010, 04:11 PM

Yeah, I think the 9pm CT has the numbers so let's wait until then to start. See you then! (I'll cancel he 8pm so ppl don't get confused)
Anyone want to offer up a suggestion for group dynamic? 2 tanks 2 healers Xdps? 1 tank 3 healers? 1 tank, 6 healer and 1 dps? I hope not that one :P
Remember we have some OP tanks and healers, but don't some Naxx mechanics require certain classes?
Lastly, is it possible to burn through Naxx in one night? 2 wings?

We're not looking for a clear, I hope this is just the start of something fun.

Nanook of the North Shore

03-21-2010, 06:08 PM

Skammer

03-22-2010, 10:07 AM

Yeah, if we have an MT and an OT, two healers, and six dps we should be good. The key is having someone who knows the fight mechanics: if we have that we should be able to go through pretty quickly.

Yeticus Rex

03-22-2010, 01:10 PM

You can easily clear the entirety of Nax 10 in like 2, maybe 3 hours. A lot of the fights only require one tank, but enough require two that you might as well just run that way the whole time. Two healers is plenty for Nax these days.

I'm pretty much a "confirmed" tonight (I ran it by the wife last night after I spent the whole weekend busting my ass to make our offices look good for an inspection this week).

If we get through Naxx in 2 hours or so, could we see how many of us can take out the weekly 10-man raid for 5 frost/5 triumph emblems? I'm at 76 frost and I've got a craving for some DPS plate. (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50965)

Skammer

03-22-2010, 04:47 PM

That'd be 10-man ToC right? Probably a lot of folks are already saved. I'm not, but I'm not sure I'll be able to stick around after Naxx.

Wife has been monitoring her fertility cycle very carefully and tonight my attention is required.

Shot From Guns

03-22-2010, 04:51 PM

Wife has been monitoring her fertility cycle very carefully and tonight my attention is required.

Gee, you make it sound like such a chore--if it's really that much of a bother, I'm sure you could talk your wife into setting up your computer right next to the bed. :D

Yeticus Rex

03-22-2010, 06:16 PM

Gee, you make it sound like such a chore--if it's really that much of a bother, I'm sure you could talk your wife into setting up your computer right next to the bed. :D
I think he's more worried about being the meal after the mating. :eek:

Mister Rik

03-22-2010, 07:02 PM

It occurs to me, two hours before raid time, that I don't know a doggone thing about using Ventrilo. Quick, do I need to go make an account? Where? How? Help!

Also, I do not own a mic headset, so will be limited to just listening to instructions. No back-talk from me!

Headrush042

03-23-2010, 02:50 AM

Nice run, guys, especially since for a few it's their first raid. Sorry I screwed up on KT -- we would've had him down if I'd seen that void zone that exploded me :>

Skammer

03-23-2010, 09:17 AM

Yep, nice job for a first run. Even for overgeared players, bosses can be tricky until you learn the mechanics of the fight.

Is the plan to do this regularly every Monday night? Other two wings of Naxx next week?

Shot From Guns

03-23-2010, 10:12 AM

Sorry I screwed up on KT -- we would've had him down if I'd seen that void zone that exploded me

The voids on KT are a huge pain--and a great lesson in raid awareness. :D You can't afford to get dialed in to what you're doing on a fight where failing to move at the right time (wrong time?) means you get insta-gibbed. (Especially annoying if you're an add tank, since the bugs love to stack right on top of you, which makes spotting the voids... interesting.)

Sounds like you guys are in a great position to knock it out of the park next week!

FlightlessBird

03-23-2010, 10:42 AM

Yeah, I got caught in a void zone as well. Wouldn't have happened a second time.
I definitely want to go again next Monday. I'll setup another event.

Bosstone

03-23-2010, 10:47 AM

You can dance if you want to
We can leave your friends behind
'Cause your friends don't dance and if they don't dance
Well they're no longer living

Heigan was a lot of fun, even though he was wipetastic. I felt so proud of myself when I got the safety dance rhythm down and kept up with Reins, our MT. :D

Headrush042

03-23-2010, 11:30 AM

The voids on KT are a huge pain--and a great lesson in raid awareness. :D You can't afford to get dialed in to what you're doing on a fight where failing to move at the right time (wrong time?) means you get insta-gibbed. (Especially annoying if you're an add tank, since the bugs love to stack right on top of you, which makes spotting the voids... interesting.)

Sounds like you guys are in a great position to knock it out of the park next week!

Yep! I was tanking the bugs and had my camera spun so I could see the rest of the raid while I facerolled my 69696 away.... haha

Shot From Guns

03-23-2010, 02:30 PM

Heigan was a lot of fun, even though he was wipetastic.

I actually kind of miss Heigan. It's funny... a lot of Naxx fights are so gimmicky, that they sort of fall under the heading of "really hard until they're suddenly not." There's a big steep learning curve, but once you've got the trick of the fight, it's easy as pie.

I was tanking the bugs and had my camera spun so I could see the rest of the raid while I facerolled my 69696 away.... haha

:D If I had a dollar for every time I died to a void while add tanking on KT, I would have... several dollars. I found I often had to pull my camera almost all the way in to be able to see my feet at all. On the plus side, the only threat you have to worry about overcoming is healing aggro, so you can pretty much just keep your buffs and debuffs up and otherwise focus on making sure you're not standing in anything bad. Major bonus with 10-man, too, is that you don't have to worry about MCs.

Yeticus Rex

03-23-2010, 05:04 PM

First off, my apologies for showing up at the last minute and bumping off another guildie (was it you, Rasz?). I was rushing through dinner (cooking, eating and cleaning) to get done by 7pm Pacific and now I know it should have been for 6:45 instead. Other than that, that was new and fun to me, even though I died a little more than the average guildie. The instructions that Headrush gave us were great, but my execution of those instructions were a less than perfect. Those bastards Heigan and Kel'Thuzad will pay for it next week!

Headrush042

03-23-2010, 10:37 PM

That wasn't me giving instructions, that was Reins (I don't know his doper name). I play Ama.

Mister Rik

03-23-2010, 10:50 PM

That wasn't me giving instructions, that was Reins (I don't know his doper name). I play Ama.

I think Reins is identified in his Player Notes field in the guild panel as a lurker.

Skammer

03-24-2010, 08:50 AM

It was too bad someone had to sit out, but on the other hand, that's a nice problem to have. The purpose of these low-level raid runs is really to 1) learn to raid with each other, 2) gear up the guildies who need it. Next week, I'd say that Rasz automatically gets a spot if he wants it, and if we have more than 10 show up anyone willing to sit out can /roll like we did last week for a spot (as long as we can maintain our tank/healing/dps ratio).

Shot From Guns

03-24-2010, 09:10 AM

Oh, and for anybody who's new to these raids, or even just needs a refresher: personally, I looooooooove Tankspot's videos (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=tankspot+site%3Ayoutube.com). I always find it very useful to actually see the fight before I get in there, and they do a very good job of explaining the fight mechanics. (Though the strategy you use may differ somewhat.)

FlightlessBird

03-24-2010, 10:32 AM

Oh and if you don't have it already, you should probably also download the addon: Deadly Boss Mods. It gives a lot of useful information during boss fights.

DBM (http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/deadly-boss-mods.aspx)

Mister Rik

03-24-2010, 10:40 AM

Just out of curiosity, were we doing Naxx on Regular or Heroic difficulty? If that was Regular, and it still took that long to kill a boss even with almost everybody majorly overgeared ... :eek:

Shot From Guns

03-24-2010, 11:08 AM

Oh and if you don't have it already, you should probably also download the addon: Deadly Boss Mods. It gives a lot of useful information during boss fights.

Really, as long as you have any bossmod, it doesn't matter which one. The big three are Deadly Boss Mods (http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/deadly-boss-mods.aspx)(DBM), BigWigs Bossmods (http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/big-wigs.aspx)(Bigwigs or BW), and Deus Vox Encounters (http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/deus-vox-encounters.aspx)(DXE). They all have their pros and cons; personally, I've used all three, and I like DXE best. They all work fine out of the box, but DXE is absolutely the most customizable. So if you like being able to move all your bars and alerts independently, changing what sounds are associated with what abilities/events, turning alerts on and off for abilities/events and tweaking what those alerts consist of... All that fun stuff. Plus, you get extra features like arrows on some fights telling you which way to run.

Just out of curiosity, were we doing Naxx on Regular or Heroic difficulty? If that was Regular, and it still took that long to kill a boss even with almost everybody majorly overgeared ... :eek:

Pre-ToC, there's no separate setting for raids. "Hard modes" are self-imposed by the way you do a fight. For Naxx, there weren't any hard modes as such (i.e., with better loot, like in Ulduar)--just extra achievements (e.g., killing Thad without crossing charges at all).

Bosstone

03-24-2010, 11:09 AM

Just out of curiosity, were we doing Naxx on Regular or Heroic difficulty? If that was Regular, and it still took that long to kill a boss even with almost everybody majorly overgeared ... :eek:Raids don't have regular and heroic modes per se like regular dungeons do. Well, Icecrown Citadel does, but that's just that raid. Raids are either 10-man or 25-man, and some of them have additional constraints you can trigger to make the fights harder.

To simplify things, though, you can consider 10-man the equivalent of regular and 25-man the equivalent of heroic for most raids and we were on 10-man.

And you know yourself that everyone wasn't necessarily overgeared. You said yourself you had mostly blues and quest greens since you hadn't run heroics before we did Naxx. Mind, that's not such a big deal; Naxx doesn't require that much in the way of gear. The bigger issues we had came from most of us not knowing the fights; if you don't know what to kill first or where to run, you will die, as we saw on Heigan and his Floor of Death.

And yeah, Kel'Thuzad took a long time, but remember, he's the end boss of a giant raid instance and lore-wise he's Arthas's right-hand lich. We only did two wings before taking him on, and when the raid was originally designed people were expected to clear all four wings before going after Kel. That's intended to be an epic fight.

Finally, we did amazingly well, considering most of us didn't know the fights. Raids are intended to be these walls you throw yourself at over and over again for potentially months at a time before you eventually collect enough gear and learn the tricks to the point where you can finally emerge victorious. We cleared two wings, killed Sapphiron, and got Kel down to half life on our first night. In two hours. That is what being overgeared and having raid leaders who know the raid inside and out gets us. Sure, we wiped three or four times on Heigan, but remember, that's nothing compared to when this was endgame content.

Shot From Guns

03-24-2010, 11:38 AM

Raids don't have regular and heroic modes per se like regular dungeons do. Well, Icecrown Citadel does, but that's just that raid. Raids are either 10-man or 25-man, and some of them have additional constraints you can trigger to make the fights harder.

ICC has Heroic modes. You just toggle them boss by boss instead of having four separate lockouts.

Naxx: No Heroic modes. No extra hardmode loot.
Sarth: No Heroic modes. Extra hardmode loot, based on how many drakes are up when you engage him.
Maly: No Heroic modes. I can't remember if the six-minute achievement gets you anything extra.
Ulduar: No Heroic modes. Hardmodes are triggered by the way you engage the boss (e.g., pressing the big red button on Mimiron, killing Hodir before he smashes his extra box o' loot, or engaging Freya while one or more of her Keepers is still alive).
ToC: Heroic modes. There are separate lockouts for 10, 10-Heroic, 25, and 25-Heroic; you either do all bosses on normal or all on Heroic.
ICC: Heroic modes. These are toggled on a per-boss basis. There are only two lockouts again: 10 and 25.

To simplify things, though, you can consider 10-man the equivalent of regular and 25-man the equivalent of heroic for most raids and we were on 10-man.

:dubious: That's simpler, sure, but it's also dead wrong, IMO. 25-man versions will often have different, harder mechanics than 10-mans (e.g., MCs in 25 but none in 10), but that's because of balance and synergy. A 25-man normal version of a 10-man normal fight really isn't at all comparable to a 10-man Heroic version of a 10-man normal fight.

Finally, we did amazingly well, considering most of us didn't know the fights.

This is the most important point to take away. :D

Bosstone

03-24-2010, 11:49 AM

:dubious: That's simpler, sure, but it's also dead wrong, IMO. 25-man versions will often have different, harder mechanics than 10-mans (e.g., MCs in 25 but none in 10), but that's because of balance and synergy. A 25-man normal version of a 10-man normal fight really isn't at all comparable to a 10-man Heroic version of a 10-man normal fight.Go figure. Usually when I look at the differences in boss strategy between 10-man and 25-man, it's purely a matter of numbers.

Oh well. I knew you'd be along to correct me regardless. ;)

Mister Rik

03-24-2010, 12:59 PM

And you know yourself that everyone wasn't necessarily overgeared. You said yourself you had mostly blues and quest greens since you hadn't run heroics before we did Naxx.

I was the only one with a GearScore lower than 3000 (per the addon), and the next lowest GS in the raid was <4k. Everybody else was >4k with a couple >5k.

Bosstone

03-24-2010, 01:11 PM

I was the only one with a GearScore lower than 3000 (per the addon), and the next lowest GS in the raid was <4k. Everybody else was >4k with a couple >5k.GearScore will rot your brain, you know.

Yeticus Rex

03-24-2010, 03:16 PM

Go figure. Usually when I look at the differences in boss strategy between 10-man and 25-man, it's purely a matter of numbers.

Oh well. I knew you'd be along to correct me regardless. ;)

Are you guys married? ;)

Yeticus Rex

03-24-2010, 03:33 PM

That wasn't me giving instructions, that was Reins (I don't know his doper name). I play Ama.

Ok......I wasn't sure, so I took a stab at it.....my Vent would display some of the players names when they were talking, but you and Reins didn't have a display for some reason. I'm kinda new to this Vent stuff......I heard all of you fine, but I guess my mic volume was too low and I have to spend more time figuring that out and maybe find out why some players were listed and other weren't.

Shot From Guns

03-24-2010, 03:51 PM

Oh well. I knew you'd be along to correct me regardless.

:tips hat: Happy to oblige. :D

Are you guys married?

If I were married to every man I routinely correct, that would be one hell of a polyandrous relationship.

... Actually, now that you mention, that sounds like it might be a possibility worth exploring.

my Vent would display some of the players names when they were talking, but you and Reins didn't have a display for some reason.

When someone is talking, you should get the little speaker icon next to their name lighting up green, if that helps.

Yeticus Rex

03-24-2010, 04:13 PM

When someone is talking, you should get the little speaker icon next to their name lighting up green, if that helps.

Hmmmm.....that's on the Vent window, correct? I wasn't using that because I was full screen on the game, but I saw towards the bottom of the screen (just above the bottom 2 action bars) that a little transparent window with the speaker symbol there would have a name flash on when they were talking, but it only happened for certain players talking, but not all of the players in our group who were logged into Vent.

Shot From Guns

03-24-2010, 04:20 PM

I wasn't using that because I was full screen on the game, but I saw towards the bottom of the screen (just above the bottom 2 action bars) that a little transparent window with the speaker symbol there would have a name flash on when they were talking, but it only happened for certain players talking, but not all of the players in our group who were logged into Vent.

AHA! You were using the in-game voice chat and Vent simultaneously. AFAIK, there's no way for Vent to interface with WoW, so if you can't see the window, you won't know who's talking. However, the built-in voice chat will display who is talking. So probably, you had it enabled and didn't realize it, as did some people in the raid, and they were doing something like using the same PTT key for Vent and for the in-game voice chat.

Yeticus Rex

03-24-2010, 04:27 PM

Skammer

03-24-2010, 04:36 PM

I've done that -- I have the same PTT button for the in-game chat and vent. But now that we have a vent channel, I probably won't use the ingame chat much.

If you want to see who's talking, you'll either have to tab back and forth or make your WoW window smaller. Ideally people should identify themselves when they talk unless they are one of the raid leaders (whose voice you would learn to recognize).

Bosstone

03-24-2010, 05:25 PM

If I were married to every man I routinely correct, that would be one hell of a polyandrous relationship.

... Actually, now that you mention, that sounds like it might be a possibility worth exploring.Oh, god, the suicide rates alone would skyrocket...

Headrush042

03-24-2010, 09:27 PM

SFG keeps yelling at me during Flame Wreath! /wrist

Shot From Guns

03-25-2010, 09:54 AM

So.....I should disable the WoW in-game chat, and find the option to toggle to make the vent window stay on top of the game window, OR do I have to narrow the game window, move it to one side and put the Vent window on the other side so I can see both?

IMO, just leave Vent in the background. That's what I do--I'm not even watching it unless I'm doing something like changing channels or just hovering somewhere before a raid. Like Skammer said, you'll learn to recognize the RL's voice pretty quickly--everyone else you'll figure out sooner or later, assuming they talk enough, and in the beginning they should identify themselves so everyone knows who's talking.

So, for example, in a PUG, if I die, I'll say "Sleutel's dead," not "I'm dead." (Note: I only do this when I'm tanking. If a tank or a healer goes down, that's important. If a DPS goes down, unless you've got a very special role like kiting or interrupting, to be blunt, no one cares. :p)

Oh, god, the suicide rates alone would skyrocket...

As long as I've got a couple to snuggle up with at night, I can live with that. Acceptable losses and all.

SFG keeps yelling at me during Flame Wreath! /wrist

You should have thought of that BEFORE YOU FUCKING MOVED GOD DAMMIT IT'S LIKE YOU'VE NEVER SEEN SHADE BEFORE.

... :D

Bosstone

03-25-2010, 10:02 AM

As long as I've got a couple to snuggle up with at night, I can live with that. Acceptable losses and all.:cool:

Yeticus Rex

03-25-2010, 03:52 PM

Reposting for any new comers...

Burning Dog Legion 10-Man Raid List:

1. Yeticus Rex / Yeticalayla (D - Pally) / Mon or Wed. / Pacific
2. Skammer / Kene (H/D - Priest) / Mon or Fri / Central
3. Tom Scud / Muzungu (T/D) (possibly later Rumpole (D/H?)) / Mon or Thu / central.
4. FlightlessBird / Rottingbird | Lightbird (D | D,T(or can respec H)) / M,T,W,R / Pacific.
5. Bosstone / Nahren (H/D) / All nights / Pacific
6. Orr, G. / Rasz (D-Ranged) / All nights / Any time
7. Runestar / Kalathan (D). Any nights but Mon/Wed, but could probably switch my Wednesday night - I pair up with a friend and we adventure together.
8. Creasemunky / Jarryn (D,H) Tiavet (D) / Varies / Central
9. Jragon / Jsor (D) / Free any night time slot (this semester thru summer at least) / Arizona time zone (so I vary between what DST we're on at any given moment).
10. JayRx1981 / Rahuul / Free any night after 10pm EST
11. Eonwe / Blumunk / Mogbog (T) / Tuesdays, maybe Mondays / Eastern
12. The Lurker only known as: Reinsgaard (T/D) / Kahmu (T/H) / Proditio (T/D) / Ragemode (H/D) / Any weekday / Eastern
13. twhitt / Mefistofele (D, H) / Expect to be 80 by early April
14. JackaRoe / Cugel (D-hunter) /, Antiigno (D/T - DK) / Reith (D - Pally) / M,W,AltWknds / Eastern
15. Anamorphic / Dunwich - (H/D - Priest)
16. Jas09 / Darland (D - DK) / one weeknight
17. Mister Rik / Keliraeda (D) Can't really commit to this, though, since my irregular work schedule interferes with attending a regularly-scheduled event.
18. Headrush042 / Amarynth (T/H - Pally) / Not Tues or Sun /
19. Nanook / PENDING
20. My Darn Snake Legs / Pangolin / PENDING
21. ?
22. ?
23. ?
24. ?
25. PROFIT!!!

Yeticus Rex

03-25-2010, 03:54 PM

<snip>

If a tank or a healer goes down, that's important. If a DPS goes down, unless you've got a very special role like kiting or interrupting, to be blunt, no one cares. :p)
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As long as I've got a couple to snuggle up with at night, I can live with that. Acceptable losses and all.

<snip>

Hmmmm........I'm beginning to see a pattern here......WoW & IRL.

Yeticus Rex

03-25-2010, 04:04 PM

One other thing.......I have almost 16K in gold, would it be beneficial to the raid if I was to purchase a Traveler's Tundra Mammoth or should I focus on spending the gold towards something else?

Shot From Guns

03-25-2010, 04:11 PM

Hmmmm........I'm beginning to see a pattern here......WoW & IRL.

Shhhhhhh, you'll scare them off!

I have almost 16K in gold, would it be beneficial to the raid if I was to purchase a Traveler's Tundra Mammoth or should I focus on spending the gold towards something else?

The mammoth vendors are definitely useful for a raid. You have to run out to use it, but (a) it means you don't need an Engineer and (b) you don't have to keep the Engineer supplied with bots or the mats/money to make them.

That doesn't mean you should get one if there's something you'd want more, but it's definitely something that the raid can make use of.

Skammer

03-25-2010, 04:42 PM

Yeti, I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice, but it's totally up to you. If I had that much money and no alts to spend it on, I'd be tempted to buy the mammoth for sure.

Tom Scud

03-25-2010, 06:42 PM

Well, hopefully by Monday they'll have finally fixed the bug that's keeping all Mac G4 players off of the game. Or else I guess I'll be sitting that one out, too. (is grumpy)

Tom Scud

03-26-2010, 07:40 AM

And, praise be to Ogg, it seems to be patched. (That download today? my fault.) :)

FlightlessBird

03-27-2010, 04:20 PM

Oh darn! I forgot that monday is the first night of Passover, so i can't make the raid. sucks for me, but I hope you still get enough to run. Everyone can see the attendance list, right? or should I pass that along through here? I'll be back the next Monday.

Skammer

03-29-2010, 09:04 AM

Bird, if you read this... you can right-click on any invitee and make them a moderator for the raid. That gives them the ability to confirm attendees, invite people, etc. I'd suggest making Yeti a moderator in your absence.

If not.. we can see who has confirmed, but I don't think we'll be able to invite everyone with the click of a button. Minor inconvenience is all.

Tom Scud

03-29-2010, 09:07 AM

I might or might not be able to make it, again on account of Passover; depends on how long the in-laws can stand their harmonious family togetherness.

Yeticus Rex

03-29-2010, 02:09 PM

.......I'd suggest making Yeti a moderator in your absence.

Are you sure about that?

Mister Rik

03-29-2010, 07:06 PM

Yay, I bought a headset today so I can talk as well as listen :)

Just an inexpensive Logitech model to tide me over until I can justify shelling out for that fancy new WoW wireless headset :D

Shot From Guns

03-30-2010, 09:28 AM

Mister Rik

03-30-2010, 12:14 PM

Speaking personally, I have yet to find a headset that doesn't eventually make my ears hurt. (I wear glasses.) So I wear my headset around my neck, with the mic angled up toward my face, and route the audio through my speakers.

Heh - I discovered that for myself yesterday (I wear reading glasses, cuz I'm old). My solution was to just push the earpieces of my glasses (what are those called?) up so that they weren't pressed between my ears and skull. I don't know if that would work with prescription glasses, though - the different angle might screw things up visually.

My regular old headphones don't have this problem - they're the bigger "ear can" style that surround the whole ear rather than pressing directly on the ear.

ETA: That said, the game really does seem to sound better through headphones than through my iMac's built-in speakers.

Bosstone

03-30-2010, 12:24 PM

ETA: That said, the game really does seem to sound better through headphones than through my iMac's built-in speakers.Ohh yeah. When I wear my headset, I hear ambient sounds in the game I never even knew existed.

Shot From Guns

03-30-2010, 01:11 PM

My solution was to just push the earpieces of my glasses (what are those called?) up so that they weren't pressed between my ears and skull. I don't know if that would work with prescription glasses, though - the different angle might screw things up visually.

I've tried that way, too, but it (a) warps things a bit and (b) still gets uncomfortable eventually. And I think the bits that go over your ears are called arms.

Mister Rik

03-30-2010, 01:40 PM

Ohh yeah. When I wear my headset, I hear ambient sounds in the game I never even knew existed.

I just discovered last night that my main's Sea Turtle mount makes cute noises when you "jump" (actually he hides in his shell and then pops back out). I don't know if those sounds were added in the latest patch, or if they were always there and I just didn't hear them.

I've tried that way, too, but it (a) warps things a bit and (b) still gets uncomfortable eventually. And I think the bits that go over your ears are called arms.
I'll have to ask my stepfather when I go to Olive Garden with my family tonight - he used to be an optician.

Shot From Guns

03-30-2010, 01:43 PM

I'll have to ask my stepfather when I go to Olive Garden with my family tonight - he used to be an optician.

Wikipedia seems to refer to them as "temple arms," "temples," or "arms."

Headrush042

03-30-2010, 09:14 PM

Heh - I discovered that for myself yesterday (I wear reading glasses, cuz I'm old). My solution was to just push the earpieces of my glasses (what are those called?) up so that they weren't pressed between my ears and skull. I don't know if that would work with prescription glasses, though - the different angle might screw things up visually.

That's my solution, too. As SFG pointed out though, it doesn't eliminate the discomfort -- it just doubles the amount of time I can tolerate the headphones.

Good work on 4 Horsemen, Doggies! That fight used to be a nightmare to coordinate with the switches and stuff.

Yeticus Rex

04-01-2010, 04:00 PM

Yeah, once we figured out "Front switch" and "Back switch"......it was just a matter of execution.

Kel'Thuzad......you have officially been put on notice.

Picked up this chest piece (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50965) last night....fully gemmed and enchanted and ready to put the hurt on some mobbies.

FlightlessBird

04-05-2010, 03:49 PM

New raid tonight! I was in, then tentative, then in again, Now I'm back to tentative. If I'm there at 8:30 then I'm in :) This is not normal for me. My Mondays should be free. I have family in from out of town, and they keep changing their plans with other people. So as long as their out with their friends I can run tonight. (This also means that next week, I'm a-ok to go!)

With me there are 7 accepted and 6 tentative. I hope we can find 8-10 to run. KT's going down!

JayRx1981

04-05-2010, 04:52 PM

Mister Rik

04-05-2010, 05:06 PM

I may sit this one out - last I looked at the list, aside from one hunter it was all paladins and priests, so I'll cheerfully make way for more variety.

Headrush042

04-05-2010, 10:51 PM

I may sit this one out - last I looked at the list, aside from one hunter it was all paladins and priests, so I'll cheerfully make way for more variety.

Feh, the more pallies the easier it gets =) Besides, you can always have my spot. There aren't any upgrades for Ama in Naxx. But that means someone else will have to learn how to tank :)

Tom Scud

04-06-2010, 08:42 AM

Nice run, guys. Has anyone uploaded the triumphant throne-room picture anywhere?

Next week OS - or do we want to do something else as well?

Skammer

04-06-2010, 08:56 AM

OS is very quick. Too bad we can't run it a couple of times.

Eye of Eternity is also pretty quick, but tricky. I hate that one.

Tom Scud

04-06-2010, 08:58 AM

We could run OS and then go play with the vehicles at the beginning of Ulduar (Flame Leviathan)

Skammer

04-06-2010, 09:14 AM

We'll have to keep an eye on the raid weekly quest. If it's Ulduar, for example, there's a good chance some folks will be locked out by Monday if they've done the quest. Come to think of it, we were fortunate that didn't happen with Naxx.

Runestar

04-06-2010, 10:07 AM

I'm certainly no expert, as it was my first raid, but I thought it went very well. No wipes, although we usually lost 2-3 people per boss fight. I had lots of fun, but man, those Raid bosses take a long time to take down.

Kudoes to Reins for the excellent explanations on the boss fights before we started. Knowing what to expect really helped a lot. It was also the first time that the DBM add-on really came into play for me; I installed it after I'd run all the 5-man heroics, so up until now it really hadn't provided much new information.

I did have the embarassment of dying when I accidentally touched one of those 'no-touchy' globules -- I'd missed that we were supposed to be hopping around and avoiding them. I just moused over, saw that their name was yellow, and ignored them. My mistake!

I did get a weapon upgrade though: Death's Bite (http://www.wowwiki.com/Death%27s_Bite) to replace my Titansteel Destroyer that I've been toting through weeks of heroics, so that was nice. :)

Shot From Guns

04-06-2010, 11:02 AM

I did have the embarassment of dying when I accidentally touched one of those 'no-touchy' globules

What, what? Frogger?

Skammer

04-06-2010, 11:32 AM

Yeah, those of us who knew about the Frogger part forgot to clue in the newbies. It was funny though!

Jas09

04-06-2010, 11:35 AM

Yeah, those of us who knew about the Frogger part forgot to clue in the newbies. It was funny though!Excellent! That is definitely something I would *not* have told a newbie about. ;)

Now they can look forward to Frogger II and Frogger III.

Grats on the Naxx clear. Sounds like y'all should knock out OS and EoE next week (I know EoE is annoying, but it's also kinda fun, and required if you want the Champion of the Frozen Wastes title).

Skammer

04-06-2010, 11:53 AM

(I know EoE is annoying, but it's also kinda fun, and required if you want the Champion of the Frozen Wastes title). Oh cool, I was wondering about that title. It looks like Malygos is all I'm missing from that.

Jragon

04-06-2010, 11:56 AM

Oh damn, forgot about that title. Now I feel bad about not being there. Oh well, hope you guys had fun. I'll probably show up next week.

Yeticus Rex

04-06-2010, 12:17 PM

Shot From Guns

04-06-2010, 12:49 PM

Now they can look forward to Frogger II and Frogger III.

The walking bombs before Mimi and the traps in ICC? :D

Tom Scud

04-06-2010, 02:15 PM

I must say, I was dreading Frogger before I got there, and was a bit disappointed that it was so easy. I thought it would be like actual Frogger, with different lines proceeding at different speeds and in different directions, et cetera.

Shot From Guns

04-06-2010, 03:08 PM

Really, the biggest problem with Frogger is lag. The best way to do it is to (a) aim right at the backside of an ooze or (b) have enough HP that you can live through a hit, in which case you can just stop between each row to get your health back to full. :D

(And yes, it is possible to get hit and live. I've done it. I don't remember how good my gear was at that point, but it was probably over 5k HP ago.)

Headrush042

04-06-2010, 03:12 PM

Reposting for any new comers...
18. Headrush042 / Amarynth (T/H - Pally) / Not Tues or Sun /

Also add to that: Erudine (H/D - Priest)

Just dinged 80 last week, but gearing up in heroics as a disc healer has been trivial with all the overgeared tanks and dps that are just farming emblems. Assuming anyone else ever decides to tank for us :) It's not that scary, honest!

Skammer

04-06-2010, 05:06 PM

Man, that reminds me, I need to drop my Shadow spec for a Disc spec. Maybe I'll try to do that on Wednesday.

Bosstone

04-06-2010, 05:24 PM

Assuming anyone else ever decides to tank for us :) It's not that scary, honest!I could always give it a shot. Theoretically I'm specced and gemmed for tanking (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Cairne&cn=Nahren), though my trinkets and enchants kinda suck. My expertise is at the soft cap (and actually a good bit beyond with the 213 staff I got off KT last night), but I don't know how essential being at the expertise hard cap is for a tank. Defense is capped (yay druids) and my health is just over 30k with the new staff. Half my gear is still in the 200s, so I won't be tanking ICC anytime soon, and I'm not sure I could tank Ulduar, but Naxx might be doable.

Shot From Guns

04-06-2010, 05:37 PM

My expertise is at the soft cap (and actually a good bit beyond with the 213 staff I got off KT last night), but I don't know how essential being at the expertise hard cap is for a tank. Defense is capped (yay druids) and my health is just over 30k with the new staff. Half my gear is still in the 200s, so I won't be tanking ICC anytime soon, and I'm not sure I could tank Ulduar, but Naxx might be doable.

Expertise is still a nice threat stat for tanks, though it's less of an avoidance one now that a lot of bosses no longer parry-haste. It's certainly not a priority stat for most of us--we usually gem Stam, Stam, and then, to spice things up... um, Stam. 30k HP should be fine for Naxx10. Really, one of the biggest parts of tanking is learning the mechanics, not getting the stats (other than the obvious uncrittable part).

Yeticus Rex

04-08-2010, 02:09 PM

Ok guys, next Monday is still sitting open on the calendar. I vote for starting with Obsidian Sanctum with 1 (maybe 2, depending on time) revisits to Naxx for those who missed out on some of the bosses back in Naxx. If nobody needs any Naxx bosses, then maybe take a vote and see if we should move on to Eye of Eternity. I personally don't know how much time it takes for OS and/or EoE, but for those who do, please chime in and recommend a better plan.....better yet.....put the plan on the calendar!

Skammer

04-08-2010, 02:19 PM

The thing about Naxx is that the weekly raid quest is in Naxx this week, so anyone who does that prior to Monday will be locked out. If we know we're going to go to Naxx, people might wait to do the weekly together. Any PUGs will just want to do the quest boss (which is the spider guy I think).

Personally I'd vote for doing OS, and then if that goes quickly, trying for EoE. EoE is pretty fast, but also pretty tricky because of the mechanics. OS should be easy, particularly if we are not leaving any portals open (which is how we should do it the first time, anyway).

Shot From Guns

04-08-2010, 02:49 PM

OS and EoE can be very fast or take forever. It's mostly a matter of how many times you wipe.

lizardling

04-08-2010, 08:35 PM

Man, you guys are making me itch to roll something up, load em with BoAs, and xfer. Looking at the list, it looks like you could use more ranged dps since you're heal/tank heavy, right? (I only wish I had that problem. :D)

Skammer

04-08-2010, 09:31 PM

We've got a couple of shadow priests and the odd hunter or two, but yeah, in general we're melee (paladin) or healer-heavy. And I speak as someone who mainly plays a priest and two paladins, although only the priest is 80.

Yeticus Rex

04-12-2010, 12:07 PM

Just curious about tonight......how many players who signed up for tonight still have the weekly raid (in Naxx) left to do? I still do.

Skammer

04-12-2010, 12:26 PM

I lost a lot of playing time this weekend due to my PC upgrade; so I still need it.

JayRx1981

04-12-2010, 12:55 PM

Just curious about tonight......how many players who signed up for tonight still have the weekly raid (in Naxx) left to do? I still do.

I have honestly barely played (enough to get all but 3 of the noblegarden achieves then I got bored--I've even gone about 4 days without doing my frost badge runs) this past week, so I still need the weekly as well.

FlightlessBird

04-12-2010, 04:42 PM

I still need the weekly. It'd be nice to get a bunch of emblems at once :)
I also noticed this morning that we had 10 accepteds already and 4 tentatives. Looks like we'll be turning people away tonight (at least for the OS run) If we require an open Naxx lock, those numbers may drop significantly. (As would the likelihood of finishing a Naxx run.)

I figure we'll see who still can do Naxx, and if it decimates the group we can do EoE instead.

Skammer

04-12-2010, 05:08 PM

The real test will be if we can get a tank for the Naxx run. We should be able to fill the rest of a 10-man out pretty easily.

The boss to be killed -- it's the very first boss in that quarter, isn't it?

Tom Scud

04-12-2010, 05:23 PM

Depending on timing (if it isn't too late) Muz will be available. Though of course I don't know the fight.

Tom Scud

04-13-2010, 07:44 AM

So, OS was pretty easy - did anyone even die? We could definitely do Sarth +1; something to keep in mind if we get through our scheduled instance and want to do something quick.

Runestar

04-13-2010, 07:51 AM

Just curious about these weekly raid quests -- how do you get them? I think Kalathan has one raid quest in her log that I picked up ages ago and have never bothered with -- Noxx the Plaguebringer must die or some such. Is there a quest chain she has to complete before she can get the Naxx weeklies?

Tom Scud

04-13-2010, 08:40 AM

There's a guy in Dalaran, in the Violet Hold (near the entrance to the instance) who gives out the quest - if you already have a weekly in your quest thingy you aren't eligible for another, so you should probably just drop the one you have.

Skammer

04-13-2010, 09:03 AM

Yeah Runestar - if you don't get to do the weekly quest in a certain week, you should drop it and pick up the new one. It resets on Tuesdays.

FlightlessBird

04-13-2010, 09:18 AM

Another success on KT: Link1 (http://tinypic.com/r/23vcozt/5), Link2 (http://tinypic.com/r/169m4va/5).

I know more got shots, and there probably better quality.

As for OS, no one died, but I dd get DC at 11%. Not sure what happened because I could still hear you through vent.

Next week, OS+1 then EoE?

Shot From Guns

04-13-2010, 11:13 AM

Yeah Runestar - if you don't get to do the weekly quest in a certain week, you should drop it and pick up the new one. It resets on Tuesdays.

FYI, you should be able to complete a previous week's quest. The problem with that is, it will be much harder to find a group for an old weekly if it's old content. Most people won't want to run in and kill Noth, for example, on any week where the quest isn't to kill him. Something like Marrowgar (or even possibly Sartharion) might still be doable on an off-week, though.

FlightlessBird

04-13-2010, 11:20 AM

Shot From Guns

04-13-2010, 12:32 PM

See! I can use the write their. :P

*the rite there

Fix'd.

:D

Skammer

04-13-2010, 12:42 PM

I was actually glad you didn't need Kene for OS, since my alt Keyne got put in Sunken Temple and I would've hated to drop. But I definitely want to do EoE next week. If we're consistently getting more than 10 people signing up, we might need to come up with some kind of rotation so people don't feel bad if they get left out one week.

Speaking of Sunken Temple - Shade of Eranikus dropped Dragon's Call (www.wowhead.com/item=10847) which would have been awesome to get, but I lost the roll (I think the rogue got it). That's the only time I've ever seen that drop, I'm pretty sure.

Headrush042

04-13-2010, 03:00 PM

they're - they're - they're probably better quality. grrrr

Anyway. I'm glad we're getting this done, and really happy we're getting lots of response. Had 11 accepteds and 5 tentatives last night, which forced us to get volunteers to drop. Luckily we are in this just for fun, so no one is missing out on gear grabs:) I hope everyone else is having fun with this. Soon(ish) we'll get to some more challenging raids. I know LB still needs to gear up (wow-heroes gear score: 2108ret, 1753prot). I think a couple others do too, but we do have a few who are OP and I don't want to lose their interest.

See! I can use the write their. :P

I can only speak for myself, but I don't mind running old content with the guild -- it's just the fact that we're doing guild runs that's fun. We'll eventually have the gear and experience to tackle the harder things (after EoE, we can probably start working our way through Ulduar and ToC without too much trouble), and I'm not in much of a rush to do so, as I'm enjoying the casual atmosphere. There's usually also enough people willing to drop with no hard feelings on days where we have more than 10 sign up -- if I don't get to raid, that just means I get more sleep that night ;)

Anamorphic

04-13-2010, 03:37 PM

Sorry I haven't been around much lately. I'm out of town for two weeks (my mom had surgery), with only my laptop. I hate playing on my laptop.

I hit 80 on my priest, and I'm starting to gear him up for raids. I've been striving for healing, since it's what I know and am good at -- but it's sounding like maybe we have too many healers? Should I switch to shadow and concentrate on that instead?

Headrush042

04-13-2010, 09:49 PM

It's up to you; whatever you enjoy -- a lot of us are dual-specced and can switch around as needed. We do have a lot of healers, but many of us are just as happy switching to an alternate spec.

Tom Scud

04-14-2010, 07:30 AM

In terms of next week's raid, I'm definitely in favor of starting with EoE, in case we need to deal with a bunch of wipes as we learn the fight.

Skammer

04-14-2010, 08:26 AM

Not raid-related, but since this is a Burning Dog thread: tonight is our weekly alt dungeon run, 8:45 server. We'll be doing Sethekk Halls again, which gave us fits last week (but we had a couple of pugs). I've got some ideas to make it go a little easier tonight, hopefully.

FlightlessBird

04-14-2010, 11:14 AM

I set up the raid event as OS followed by EoE. But that's only because OS took us 30 minutes to complete (and that was after getting together and there). Even with a drake up, I'm hoping we get it in one or two.

EoE will be fun. I encourage everyone to check out the videos for the 3 phases. Especially phase 3 because you don't use your spells, you use the drakes'. So it'll help to know what you can do. Phase 3 under Strategies has the list of drake skills (http://www.wowwiki.com/Malygos_%28tactics%29)

Anamorphic

04-14-2010, 02:04 PM

It's up to you; whatever you enjoy -- a lot of us are dual-specced and can switch around as needed. We do have a lot of healers, but many of us are just as happy switching to an alternate spec.Thanks. I would much rather stick to healing, to be honest, but I have no problem having a shadow off-spec and dpsing when needed. I definitely will dual-spec when I can afford it. I leveled 70-80 almost entirely healing instances, so I think now I'm going to blaze through the quests I skipped over. I should have a ton of gold in no time.

Yeticus Rex

04-16-2010, 04:59 PM

Mister Rik

04-16-2010, 06:09 PM

Question: On WoW-Heros (http://www.wow-heroes.com/index.php?zone=us&server=Cairne&name=Yeticalayla#tab4), it shows that we did not get credit for Kel'Thuzad (on either instance)......any explanations?

You might need to check the "Live" box and click "Search" again. I loaded up your page and it shows you have earned the "Kel'Thuzad's Defeat" achievement (and in fact it shows you killing him twice).

Yeticus Rex

04-16-2010, 06:31 PM

You might need to check the "Live" box and click "Search" again. I loaded up your page and it shows you have earned the "Kel'Thuzad's Defeat" achievement (and in fact it shows you killing him twice).

You are right......my personal page (Yeticalayla) is correct, but the guild progress page where Burning Dog Legion is listed (somewhere around #175) shows that our guild did not get the credit for the Kel'Thuzad raid from those two previous weeks. I thought the link I gave would have linked the 4th tab (Realm) and then you could select the secondary tab (Guild Progress).....and either the "latest kills" or "10 man" option would take us to the list in question.

Yeticus Rex

04-16-2010, 06:33 PM

Reposting for any new comers...

Burning Dog Legion 10-Man Raid List:

1. Yeticus Rex / Yeticalayla (D - Pally) / Mon or Wed. / Pacific
2. Skammer / Kene (H/D - Priest) / Mon or Fri / Central
3. Tom Scud / Muzungu (T/D) (possibly later Rumpole (D/H?)) / Mon or Thu / central.
4. FlightlessBird / Rottingbird | Lightbird (D | D,T(or can respec H)) / M,T,W,R / Pacific.
5. Bosstone / Nahren (H/D) / All nights / Pacific
6. Orr, G. / Rasz (D-Ranged) / All nights / Any time
7. Runestar / Kalathan (D). Any nights but Mon/Wed, but could probably switch my Wednesday night - I pair up with a friend and we adventure together.
8. Creasemunky / Jarryn (D,H) Tiavet (D) / Varies / Central
9. Jragon / Jsor (D) / Free any night time slot (this semester thru summer at least) / Arizona time zone (so I vary between what DST we're on at any given moment).
10. JayRx1981 / Rahuul / Free any night after 10pm EST
11. Eonwe / Blumunk / Mogbog (T) / Tuesdays, maybe Mondays / Eastern
12. The Lurker only known as: Reinsgaard (T/D) / Kahmu (T/H) / Proditio (T/D) / Ragemode (H/D) / Any weekday / Eastern
13. twhitt / Mefistofele (D, H) / Expect to be 80 by early April
14. JackaRoe / Cugel (D-hunter) /, Antiigno (D/T - DK) / Reith (D - Pally) / M,W,AltWknds / Eastern
15. Anamorphic / Dunwich - (H/D - Priest)
16. Jas09 / Darland (D - DK) / one weeknight
17. Mister Rik / Keliraeda (D) Can't really commit to this, though, since my irregular work schedule interferes with attending a regularly-scheduled event.
18. Headrush042 / Amarynth (T/H - Pally)/Erudine (H/D - Priest) / Not Tues or Sun /
19. Nanook / PENDING
20. My Darn Snake Legs / Pangolin / PENDING
21. ?
22. ?
23. ?
24. ?
25. PROFIT!!!

Yeticus Rex

04-19-2010, 12:03 PM

You are right......my personal page (Yeticalayla) is correct, but the guild progress page where Burning Dog Legion is listed (somewhere around #175) shows that our guild did not get the credit for the Kel'Thuzad raid from those two previous weeks. I thought the link I gave would have linked the 4th tab (Realm) and then you could select the secondary tab (Guild Progress).....and either the "latest kills" or "10 man" option would take us to the list in question.

I'm gonna ask this again......why didn't our guild get the credit for taking out Kel'Thuzad not just once, but twice? Were we supposed to have the entire raid group from the same guild to get the credit or is KT one slimely sucker to pin down on the raid achievement page?

Also.....do we even have a chance to do the Weekly Raid in ICC, or not?

Jas09

04-19-2010, 12:56 PM

I'm gonna ask this again......why didn't our guild get the credit for taking out Kel'Thuzad not just once, but twice? Were we supposed to have the entire raid group from the same guild to get the credit or is KT one slimely sucker to pin down on the raid achievement page?

Also.....do we even have a chance to do the Weekly Raid in ICC, or not?
I've never had much luck with the guild tracker at Wow-Heroes. Guild Progress seems to work a bit better. Here's the link for Burning Dog Legion:

http://wow.guildprogress.com/US/Cairne/Burning_Dog_Legion/Wrath_of_the_Lich_King

You can see it has BDL getting that boss down almost a year ago. They probably counted the total number of toons that were in the guild back then that had that kill, not necessarily doing it all together. I recall at least one run that had a decent number of guildies in it back then - I got the kill on 4/29/09, about a week before the guild was given credit by guildprogress.

Each guild tracking site has different rules about what constitutes a kill. Another one is guildox, but they recently removed all older content, and are only tracking ToGC and later, I believe. Wowprogress also only tracks Ulduar and newer, I believe.

As far as Marrowgar, you could always give it a shot, but you probably have a number of folks already saved.

Yeticus Rex

04-19-2010, 02:58 PM

Thanks, Jas.......now I know why it seems a little confusing.

Skammer

04-19-2010, 03:37 PM

Yeti, I was wondering the same thing - I looked at wow-heroes last night and wondered why we didn't get the kill.

As for Marrowgar, I'm already saved, unfortunately. But if we wanted to plan to do the weekly quest each week in addition to our scheduled raid, I could wait and do it with the guild. I just didn't think we'd be tackling it this week. I'm kind of excited to to EoE tonight.

Headrush042

04-19-2010, 11:32 PM

Nice job on EoE. It was relatively painless on that last attempt ;)

JayRx1981

04-20-2010, 07:38 AM

Great runs last night guys. We wiped once on Sarth+1 (I'm not entirely sure how), but came back in and decimated him the next time through. Then, we flew off to EoE to take on Malygos. We wiped several times (all but once during Phase 3). Our second attempt on him in phase 3 saw him fall down to 14k health before we wiped (so close). We wiped (well, all but 2 players, iirc) during Phase 2 the next time, and finally managed to take him down on our (I think) fourth attempt.

I really enjoyed last night. It was my first time doing raid healing (outside of tank healing Reins on the Four Horsemen in Naxx a few weeks ago). Definitely a whole different ballgame from DPSing as a moonkin.

Also, I earned enough badges from last night to finally afford the last piece of t9 resto gear for the 4 piece bonus, which I got to use when we did a 5-man daily (HoS) after the raid was over. It was sweet seeing my Rejuv crits tick for over 3000. :D

Bosstone

04-20-2010, 08:10 AM

Great runs last night guys. We wiped once on Sarth+1 (I'm not entirely sure how),Because I wasn't there. :( I had other stuff to deal with, so I couldn't show. Sadness.

Skammer

04-20-2010, 08:41 AM

Didn't we just about have Sarth dead before he summoned the other drake? With that approach we should be able to do all the drakes (of course wiping right after Sarth is dead, which is what happened this time).

Shot From Guns

04-20-2010, 10:25 AM

Then, we flew off to EoE to take on Malygos.

Grats on downing Maly, guys! I've had PUGs that couldn't get him down when he's the weekly.

Did anybody get their title? Which one is that--"Champion of the Frozen Waste," I think.

Tom Scud

04-20-2010, 10:34 AM

Grats on downing Maly, guys! I've had PUGs that couldn't get him down when he's the weekly.

Did anybody get their title? Which one is that--"Champion of the Frozen Waste," I think.

I think about 3 or 4 of us did (including me) - there was some nice achievement spam when he went down anyway. I was among the early deaths during the 3 wipes (once even on phase 1), and never got very comfortable with the fight; could never seem to find the damn sparks to help dps them down, so finally i decided just to ignore them and concentrate on being a DPS bot; and then the flying dudes always seemed to be too far away from the bubble-domes for me to reach them. Finally in the vehicle stage I ended up way away from everyone else - they were about on a level with the boss but somehow I was directly above him - but that actually worked out okay; I was able to do my dps rotation and occasionally shift out of the poo, and not being in range of the healers wasn't a big problem because I wasn't really being hit either. But I never really knew what the hell was going on.

Shot From Guns

04-20-2010, 10:40 AM

could never seem to find the damn sparks to help dps them down

Are you playing with enemy nameplates enabled? If not, IMO, you should. Having a big floating bar above the name helps greatly.

On Maly specifically, you'll also be able to tell which direction a spark will be coming from, because the star that's spawned one will get much bigger and pulse-y. When I'm tanking Maly (and I fucking hate tanking Maly), I make sure to have my camera scrolled out to absolute max distance, so that I can constantly rotate it around to see where the next spark will come from (and pull him around the rim accordingly). As a DPS, it can still be helpful to know which way to be looking, though obviously not quite as time-sensitive, since you aren't the ones responsible for making sure the spark is coming in at Maly's tail instead of his head.

FlightlessBird

04-20-2010, 10:40 AM

Yeah, we killed Sarth right as the drake timer hit. And then we wiped on the drake. It didn't help that the loot popped up. People said they weren't able to see what was going on. Not sure if we can do +2, but I'm willing to try :D

According to wow-heroes' raid levels, next up is Ulduar. I've never been inside so I'm at a complete loss. Is it something we can piece together like the quarters of Naxx? Or do you have to do it all within one raid lockout? (Speaking of which, I noticed an "Extend lockout" button on my raid panel. Would this help us maintain our progress?)

Sorry I didn't get a picture of our Maly kill, it was kinda hard with everyone still flying their drakes :)

Shot From Guns

04-20-2010, 10:47 AM

According to wow-heroes' raid levels, next up is Ulduar. I've never been inside so I'm at a complete loss. Is it something we can piece together like the quarters of Naxx? Or do you have to do it all within one raid lockout?

Ulduar is both more and less linear than Naxx; there are some set paths, but there are also quite a few optional bosses. However, there is no way to "skip to the end," nor would you want to; even on regular vs. hardmode, the final bosses are very difficult.

(Speaking of which, I noticed an "Extend lockout" button on my raid panel. Would this help us maintain our progress?)

It's certainly an option! You can choose to continue your progress from week to week. The only downside is that you then can't go back and kill the earlier, easier bosses, which gives you an opportunity to gear up better to put you in a better position to kill the later ones.

Tom Scud

04-20-2010, 11:03 AM

It's certainly an option! You can choose to continue your progress from week to week. The only downside is that you then can't go back and kill the earlier, easier bosses, which gives you an opportunity to gear up better to put you in a better position to kill the later ones.

So does it just extend the lockout for the raid leader? Because another potential issue is that if you extend the lockout, and then the weekly raid quest is for Flame Leviathan (or whatever), you're SOL or at least have to find a 25 man raid to do it in.

Skammer

04-20-2010, 11:12 AM

We probably still have folks who will get upgrades in Ulduar, so we may not want to extend the lockouts until there are no more to be had from the early bosses. Tom has a good point about the weekly raid, too.

I've done two of the Ulduar bosses for the weekly quests (the Flame Leviathan, and... XT-002?) but that's about all I know, and I'm still not quite sure what's going on during the vehicle stage at the beginning. I don't know of anyone in our guild who has much Uld experience, so we may just have to do our best to read up on it before hand and then learn as we go along.

I am rather hopeful about getting some of the tailoring recipes that drop in there (I think), even the items wouldn't be upgrades at this point.

Shot From Guns

04-20-2010, 11:16 AM

So does it just extend the lockout for the raid leader? Because another potential issue is that if you extend the lockout, and then the weekly raid quest is for Flame Leviathan (or whatever), you're SOL or at least have to find a 25 man raid to do it in.

1.) Every person has to extend their raid lockout individually.

2.) You can extend your most recent lockout for a given raid at any time. You just can't have been saved to a new ID--it's at that point that you lose the old one. So the BDL can wait to see what the current week's weekly raid is before deciding whether or not to extend the current lockout--it's not a decision that has to be made before the reset.

Jas09

04-20-2010, 11:26 AM

1.) Every person has to extend their raid lockout individually.I'm not sure this is correct, SFG. I know this week our raid leader extended the ICC25 lockout (to work on the LK on Saturday). I did not do anything, and when I zoned in everything was dead up to the LK.

To add another layer to it, after the raid (since we didn't kill the LK) the raid lead *unextended* the lockout, and when we all zoned in on Sunday it was to a fresh raid.

So, only the person that creates the instance has to extend their lockout. The safest way to do this is for the raid leader to extend his lockout and zone in first.

Also, you are not saved to an extended lockout until a boss is dead. We have been using this feature to let us get in a full day of LK attempts without the pressure of having to kill 11/12 in 3 hours just to get there.

As far as Ulduar I'd say read up a bit and just go for it. The first wing isn't that tricky, and it's more fun (IMO) to learn the bosses as a group than have one person tell you exactly what to do and then do it. YMMV. :)

Shot From Guns

04-20-2010, 11:49 AM

I'm not sure this is correct, SFG.

Yes, it was poorly phrased on my part. The emphasis I was trying to give was that while the RL must extent their lockout in order to zone into the previous week's raid instead of a new one, that does not automatically extend everyone else's. (What I mean is, if the RL extends and you don't go along to that raid, you can still go to a new raid, even though you were part of the old raid ID that was extended.)

Yeticus Rex

04-20-2010, 03:21 PM

Nice job on EoE. It was relatively painless on that last attempt ;) Especially when you have actual control of your mount! I had one or two wipes alone from the bug that didn't show my vitals nor my mount's attack bar. So I just flew around until I got downed. F-R-U-S-T-R-A-T-I-N-G.

Great runs last night guys. We wiped once on Sarth+1 (I'm not entirely sure how), but came back in and decimated him the next time through. Then, we flew off to EoE to take on Malygos. We wiped several times (all but once during Phase 3). Our second attempt on him in phase 3 saw him fall down to 14k health before we wiped (so close). We wiped (well, all but 2 players, iirc) during Phase 2 the next time, and finally managed to take him down on our (I think) fourth attempt.

I really enjoyed last night. It was my first time doing raid healing (outside of tank healing Reins on the Four Horsemen in Naxx a few weeks ago). Definitely a whole different ballgame from DPSing as a moonkin.

Also, I earned enough badges from last night to finally afford the last piece of t9 resto gear for the 4 piece bonus, which I got to use when we did a 5-man daily (HoS) after the raid was over. It was sweet seeing my Rejuv crits tick for over 3000. :D

Uh, yeah.......about HoS.....I'm very sorry.......I was the proverbial bull in a china shop. Next time, yell at me on Vent to get my attention.....I was SO focused on killing slimes and not realizing that I was supposed to let them merge first into Iron Sludges before killing. I just read up on the whole achievement and strategy. Now I know better.

Didn't we just about have Sarth dead before he summoned the other drake? With that approach we should be able to do all the drakes (of course wiping right after Sarth is dead, which is what happened this time).
Yep....he/she was in the throes of death and the assisting drake "Day Late & Dollar Short" came in just when the loot panels popped up and started attacking and breathing (I assumed it was the breath that killed). I only got about 3 attacks in before I wiped.

Grats on downing Maly, guys! I've had PUGs that couldn't get him down when he's the weekly.

Did anybody get their title? Which one is that--"Champion of the Frozen Waste," I think.
ME!

Yeah, we killed Sarth right as the drake timer hit. And then we wiped on the drake. It didn't help that the loot popped up. People said they weren't able to see what was going on. Not sure if we can do +2, but I'm willing to try :D

Would the 2nd drake appear earlier or does Sarth have more HP or deals more damage from the 2nd drake being alive? We got the achievement just as Sarth died, so maybe we can pull it off by rapid burndown.

Shot From Guns

04-20-2010, 03:30 PM

I had one or two wipes alone from the bug that didn't show my vitals nor my mount's attack bar. So I just flew around until I got downed.

For DPS, the rotation is 1-1-2. (I forget which is your bubble: 4 or 5.) Dunno if it will still work, but it's worth a shot next time! :D

Would the 2nd drake appear earlier or does Sarth have more HP or deals more damage from the 2nd drake being alive? We got the achievement just as Sarth died, so maybe we can pull it off by rapid burndown.

Timing is the same, but IIRC Sarth gets more HP and does more damage for every drake that's still up at the time he's engaged. (This is in addition to the abilities he gains sequentially as each drake lands before it's killed.) It's been a long time since I've done anything but faceroll zerg 3D, though, so I could be wrong.

lizardling

04-20-2010, 03:40 PM

Tom Scud

04-20-2010, 03:45 PM

Uh, yeah.......about HoS.....I'm very sorry.......I was the proverbial bull in a china shop. Next time, yell at me on Vent to get my attention.....I was SO focused on killing slimes and not realizing that I was supposed to let them merge first into Iron Sludges before killing. I just read up on the whole achievement and strategy. Now I know better.

No problem. We didn't do much of a job explaining it ahead of time. And I (who should have known better) should have just stopped hitting the boss altogether once the slimes started appearing.

Tom Scud

04-20-2010, 03:51 PM

Are you playing with enemy nameplates enabled? If not, IMO, you should. Having a big floating bar above the name helps greatly.

On Maly specifically, you'll also be able to tell which direction a spark will be coming from, because the star that's spawned one will get much bigger and pulse-y.

I had nameplates enabled; I guess I was standing too far away or just not looking in the right direction when the sparks spawned. In any case, the other DPS were doing a fine job burning 'em down; if anything, they were burning 'em too quick, and the sparky spots were too far away to reach him from.

Shot From Guns

04-20-2010, 03:58 PM

Yeah, timing the sparks is always tricksy. The best is if you can have a DK to Grip + Chains the damn things.

FlightlessBird

04-20-2010, 04:51 PM

The Achievement span we saw during the Maly fight was: Denyin' the Scion (http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=2148) (End of Phase2)

So for next week, do we want to try more OS and then go into Uld? Or just start with Uld and see what happens?
We're currently losing people at about the 1.5 - 1.75hr mark so I'd rather front-load the fun if Uld is going to take some doing...

We can always go back to OS when our lower geared folks up their dps (ME). In fact since I've never been in Ulduar I may grab RottingBird off the shelf so he can gear up some cloth dps. We can always afford to drop one of our 4 Paladins! and we don't have a mage so I think that's a plan!

Skammer

04-20-2010, 04:57 PM

The Achievement span we saw during the Maly fight was: Denyin' the Scion (http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=2148) (End of Phase2) Hey! That's no fair, how is a tank or healer supposed to get that achievement?

Skammer

04-20-2010, 05:12 PM

Oh, and I forgot to address the rest of your post:

I think Ulduar is likely to challenge us, since few if any of us have much experience there. I'd vote to put Sarth+2 on the shelf for a while and maybe get back to it later.

Headrush042

04-20-2010, 05:17 PM

Hey! That's no fair, how is a tank or healer supposed to get that achievement?

When I got it on Ama as MT, I was being kinda sneaky. Since only the first 3 Scions land, I got bored running from bubble to bubble. So when a disc landed near me and there were no more melee dps needing it, I ninjad it before one of the ranged dps could get on it, flew around, and waited till one got low enough that I could 1-shot it with Hammer of Wrath :) I'm sure you could do something similar as a healer using one of your quick DDs.

Skammer

04-20-2010, 10:39 PM

I guess, but if I'm flying around looking for someone to pick off, I hope no one needs healing...

Jragon

04-20-2010, 11:18 PM

Yeah, timing the sparks is always tricksy. The best is if you can have a DK to Grip + Chains the damn things.

It's still not... optimal, by the time it's in DG range another one has spawned (so I was sort of sitting there waiting for it to get in range half the time), and the other half of the time he vortexed so it didn't really matter since it was on the field afterwards anyways. Also, those things have like no health, so I'm not seeing how chains is needed.

Grats on Maly and the title! :D

Ulduar's a ton of fun, but yeah, there are clumps of bosses that you can pick to do or skip as the case were. Either way, you still have to blast through Flame Leviathan and XT to get to the next part which would be Kologarn. Each section with its collection of bosses is gated so that you have to kill a specific boss to open up the teleport to the next section.

Isn't there also a key that you HAVE to get in 25-man in order to complete it (for Yogg-Saron I think), or did they scrap that? Either way I suspect one of us has the key anyway, probably Reins or Kene.

Jragon

04-20-2010, 11:20 PM

Grats on Maly and the title! :D

Ulduar's a ton of fun, but yeah, there are clumps of bosses that you can pick to do or skip as the case were. Either way, you still have to blast through Flame Leviathan and XT to get to the next part which would be Kologarn. Each section with its collection of bosses is gated so that you have to kill a specific boss to open up the teleport to the next section.

Isn't there also a key that you HAVE to get in 25-man in order to complete it (for Yogg-Saron I think), or did they scrap that? Either way I suspect one of us has the key anyway, probably Reins or Kene.

Tom Scud

04-21-2010, 07:42 AM

Isn't there also a key that you HAVE to get in 25-man in order to complete it (for Yogg-Saron I think), or did they scrap that? Either way I suspect one of us has the key anyway, probably Reins or Kene.

It's for Algalon; Yogg is the final boss of the normal mode.

Skammer

04-21-2010, 10:07 AM

Kene doesn't have the key; I've only done the first three bosses of Ulduar (and even then, didn't really have a good grasp of what was going on).

If people read the strategy overviews on Wowwiki or wherever, we should be able to get at least a couple of bosses down on Monday. It'll be fun!

Runestar

04-21-2010, 02:13 PM

Grats on downing Maly, guys! I've had PUGs that couldn't get him down when he's the weekly.

Did anybody get their title? Which one is that--"Champion of the Frozen Waste," I think.

I did - Kalathan is now "Champion of the Frozen Wastes".

Didn't even notice that I'd gotten that achievement until I pulled up my character and noticed there was an additional option in my title's drop-down box (other than "the Patient").

Shot From Guns

04-21-2010, 03:38 PM

Hey! That's no fair, how is a tank or healer supposed to get that achievement?

By getting up on a flying platform. Easier to do once you're comfortable with the fight (and especially when you overgear it).

When I got it on Ama as MT, I was being kinda sneaky. [snip] when a disc landed near me and there were no more melee dps needing it, I ninjad it before one of the ranged dps could get on it

IMO, that's not being sneaky--that's proper procedure. Melee DPS go up first, then the tank, then ranged if there are still discs dropping.

It's still not... optimal, by the time it's in DG range another one has spawned (so I was sort of sitting there waiting for it to get in range half the time), and the other half of the time he vortexed so it didn't really matter since it was on the field afterwards anyways.

It's really just a matter of positioning. And timing the sparks with relation to the vorteces gets easier once you've done it enough times so you get a feel for it. (E.g., he will always Vortex before the first spark gets close.)

Also, those things have like no health, so I'm not seeing how chains is needed.

Gives people more time to switch targets, and also helps get the spark exactly where you want it. It was more of an issue back when this was bleeding-edge content, when (a) it took longer to kill the sparks and (b) you needed to stack them to get the six-minute achievement.

Isn't there also a key that you HAVE to get in 25-man in order to complete it (for Yogg-Saron I think), or did they scrap that? Either way I suspect one of us has the key anyway, probably Reins or Kene.

The only things that are keyed are Malygos and Algalon. Malygos you get the key for off of Sapph in Naxx; Algalon you get the key for off of hardmode bosses in Ulduar. Alg is an optional boss, and is himself a hardmode.

FlightlessBird

04-21-2010, 03:58 PM

Hmm, no one's mentioned VoA. I don't even see it on the wow-heroes graph. Is that something we can do? Does most everyone get saved to that during the week?

Skammer

04-21-2010, 04:01 PM

Horde controls WG so infrequently on Cairne that I rarely get a chance to run VoA in any given week.

FlightlessBird

04-21-2010, 05:00 PM

They haven't had 10 Burning Dog Legionnaires on their side! Working as a team on Vent?! oh man we'd be unstoppable. well maybe not. Still it'd be fun if it was necessary :)

Still, where does VoA fall in terms of difficulty? Is it broken up by boss? (Boss A is easy, boss B is hard, etc.)

Skammer

04-21-2010, 05:04 PM

Yes, that's it. There are four bosses presently, which are progressively harder. Most groups nowadays only do the last two bosses, since the drops are of a higher level.

It'd certainly be worth us giving it a shot if we happen to have WG. I think we can do the first two without much difficulty, and probably the third. The most recent boss probably requires more dps (especially ranged dps) than we are currently putting out, would be my guess.

Shot From Guns

04-22-2010, 10:48 AM

The problem with VoA is that the last boss does drop T10 and Frost badges, so most people who are at that gear level are going to be saved to it, and might not want to get saved to a run that's only going to clear the earlier bosses. You'll also probably have a hard time finding people to PUG in who're willing to only do the earlier bosses.

ETA: The bosses get "harder" only in the sense of having more HP and hitting harder. IMO, the "hardest" boss is actually the second one, Emalon, since he requires the most strategy on the part of everyone involved. (Mainly, the problem is that if the DPS doesn't switch to the right add at the right time, it's a wipe.)

Skammer

04-22-2010, 10:58 AM

I agree -- the third one (the fire guy) is actually pretty easy as long as you don't [b]stand in the damn fire[/i].

I don't think we should plan on VoA just because it's too hard to predict when it will be available. I'd hate giving up a chance to run it on the weekend and then have it not available on Monday. Most of the time I don't get to do it at all.

FlightlessBird

04-22-2010, 12:00 PM

Got it. I think VoA will be a 'addon' type run. Like if we finish with Ulduar in 30 minutes :D, or more likely, we fail on a boss. AND no ones saved then we'll give it a shot. It sounds like Horde hasn't been winning VoA much, so maybe we'll catch a break on raid lockouts (and since we run on Mondays those lockouts will get reset the next day for those who may do it during the week)

I setup the new raid for Uld10. Same dog-time, same dog-channel.:D

Headrush042

04-22-2010, 03:10 PM

They haven't had 10 Burning Dog Legionnaires on their side! Working as a team on Vent?! oh man we'd be unstoppable. well maybe not. Still it'd be fun if it was necessary :)

Skill/strategy has very little to do with it when there's 100+ Alliance on the field versus the Horde's 35 ;)

Yeticus Rex

04-22-2010, 03:16 PM

I'm in Bird.

As for VoA.....I've noticed the last couple of weeks when I'm on...(after 10pm PDT), the Horde manages to capture (and also has defended!) WG......I got in last week and we took out the frost boss and fire boss although the drops were nothing of interest to me.......I usually finished 6th or 7th on the DPS list for the 25man VoA, so I am a contributor. I think we can pull a 10man there.

Last night, I just did my first ICC10 run.....took 4 attempts to take down Marrowgar and after 5 attempts, gave up on Deathwhisper. We just could not keep up with the adds turning into those large fanatics which one shotted most of the group or two shotted the tanks. Lots of fun though.......except for the trips to the smithy.

Jas09

04-22-2010, 03:43 PM

Last night, I just did my first ICC10 run.....took 4 attempts to take down Marrowgar and after 5 attempts, gave up on Deathwhisper. We just could not keep up with the adds turning into those large fanatics which one shotted most of the group or two shotted the tanks. Lots of fun though.......except for the trips to the smithy.Grats on the Marrowgar kill!

Deathwhisper can be bad if the DPS don't know what to do. With high DPS the fight is trivial (because the adds die before they are transformed).

In particular it sounds like you were having trouble with the Deformed Fanatic (the hulk-looking things) - they need to be kited (either by a hunter using Distracting Shot - which is what I usually do, or by a tank just running away). He generally can't just be tanked (especially if there are other adds up as well) because he hits pretty damn hard (they melee for 30k on a plate tank in 25s, as well as doing a cleave and some sort of shadow damage). The should be the number one kill priority for all ranged DPS while they are up.

Skammer

04-22-2010, 04:11 PM

Grats, Yeti. Deathwhisper is another example of a fight where I'm glad to be a healer. I just have to stand in the middle and heal/debuff whoever needs it. Once or twice a fight I'll have to move to get out of death & decay but that's it. I don't know why people complain that it's a difficult fight :)

Tom Scud

04-23-2010, 10:08 AM

So this week's weekly is Sartharion - do we want to put off the Ulduar run to try and get the weekly plus Sarth+2? (And then, modulo wipes, get a start on Uld.)

Skammer

04-23-2010, 10:18 AM

Personally I'd rather glom onto a Sarth pug this weekend and save all our Monday night time for Ulduar. I'm nervous about finding 10 people on Monday who aren't already locked.

FlightlessBird

04-23-2010, 06:07 PM

Sounds good, we're still planning on Uld10 as our primary focus.

Skammer

04-26-2010, 09:24 AM

Well, after arguing that we should be doing Ulduar and not OS, I realized this weekend that I probably won't be able to raid at all tonight. My parents are in town, so it would be kind of rude for me to excuse myself from their company to raid.

I might do some half-assed questing while we are watching TV, but nothing that will require the attention that Ulduar would. So I RSVP'd as "Tentative" but you should probably plan on me not being there, unfortunately. Good luck though! Wish I could make it!

Shot From Guns

04-26-2010, 12:28 PM

Skill/strategy has very little to do with it when there's 100+ Alliance on the field versus the Horde's 35 ;)

There are actually hidden mechanics that give one faction a progressively larger advantage when the opposing side has won WG too many times in a row. There are also the visible mechanics that give outnumbered players in a given zone more health/damage/etc.

We just could not keep up with the adds turning into those large fanatics which one shotted most of the group or two shotted the tanks.

As has been observed, the zombies shouldn't ever be tanked. They should always be kited. IME, the tank who currently has aggro when one of the adds goes Deformed calls it out on Vent and starts running. That target then has kill priority until it's dead.

FlightlessBird

04-26-2010, 12:54 PM

Tom Scud

04-26-2010, 01:18 PM

Well we only have 7 confirmed for tonight and 1 tentative. However no tanks. Well no Reins or Ama, I could go Lightbird, but we couldn't do Uld with him tanking. Maybe Jsor could (he's certainly geared for it). If not, then maybe back to Naxx for some fun/training. We'll either pick up some PuGers or call it pretty quickly (half hour at most) I'd rather get people back to questing/playing rather than wait around. I'm sure that we'll be back on our feet in a week.

I'd be in favor of at least taking on Flame Leviathan in Ulduar, which is a 100% vehicle fight and hence won't be sabatoged by lack of tanks. And I can definitely bring Muzungu along instead of Rumpole, though of course I don't know the fights (I've done razorscale once as a dps and that's it).

FlightlessBird

04-27-2010, 09:21 AM

Well the attempt was good. The attempt to get a group together that is. We only ended up with 7 so we decided to send 5 of us into PoS. But whoops, I put us in normal and not heroic so it was super easy. It WAS nice to pull Rottingbird off the shelf. I think I was waiting for a frost emblem chest piece, but decided to UG a couple rings first. Figured 2 items are better than 1.
So next week we'll try to go into Uld again.

Skammer

04-27-2010, 09:29 AM

I think my parents are leaving Sunday, so I should be good for Uld on Monday. At least I was able to get my pally Keyne up to 54... only four more levels to the Portal!

Tom Scud

04-27-2010, 10:22 AM

We only ended up with 7 so we decided to send 5 of us into PoS. But whoops, I put us in normal and not heroic so it was super easy. It WAS nice to pull Rottingbird off the shelf.

I was tanking that run, and didn't realize we were in Normal until we killed the first boss and he dropped a 2-handed mace, which I remembered him dropping in another normal PoS run. But I'd THOUGHT we had been knocking over the trash a little faster than I was used to.

It was kind of fun to get back to tanking. Now that Rumpole is basically as geared up as anything short of frost emblems will get him, I might bring Muzungu out of semi-retirement on occasion.

Headrush042

04-27-2010, 02:49 PM

There are actually hidden mechanics that give one faction a progressively larger advantage when the opposing side has won WG too many times in a row. There are also the visible mechanics that give outnumbered players in a given zone more health/damage/etc.

Yeah, I know about those -- they don't really do squat when you're as grossly outnumbered as we usually are. The only times we ever win WG are when we have less than 3 stacks of Tenacity, which is maybe 2-3 times per week during off-hours. It's all good though, my priest finally lost her 25th WG, which is what I needed to get the crit trinket I wanted :)

Shot From Guns

04-28-2010, 09:27 AM

Yeah, the imbalance on some servers really is ridiculous. I wish Blizz would take a more active role in rebalancing. The current paradigm for free realm xfers just doesn't cut it. IMO, they should open up free transfers for Horde from any Horde-heavy realm to any Alliance-heavy realm and vice versa.

FlightlessBird

04-29-2010, 10:31 AM

Well I set up Monday's raid for Uld again, but the weekly is Naxx. Do we want to do Naxx instead? Go back to our roots.

Skammer

04-29-2010, 10:49 AM

If we're voting, I'd vote to just do Ulduar. However some folks might want to meet earlier (or later) to put together a group for the weekly.

Tom Scud

04-29-2010, 10:50 AM

Rumpole did the weekly already last night, but I suppose I could drag Muz along (or sub him in for Naxx). But yeah, I'd rather get as far as we can in Ulduar.

FlightlessBird

04-29-2010, 11:46 AM

ok good to hear (from 2/10ths of ya) Unless I hear overwhelming dissent, we'll stick with Ulduar first and then naxx if there's time/ppl/pug.

Yeticus Rex

04-29-2010, 02:51 PM

Ulduar first, Naxx weekly second......ICC trash rep run/Marrowgar/Lady Deathwhisper third.

Tom Scud

04-29-2010, 02:57 PM

Ulduar first, Naxx weekly second......ICC trash rep run/Marrowgar/Lady Deathwhisper third.

You are very optimistic. I think we'll be lucky to get half a dozen Ulduar bosses down.

Yeticus Rex

04-29-2010, 03:19 PM

I meant that would be my order of priorities for the night, not the whole agenda for one night!

JayRx1981

05-02-2010, 10:48 AM

Sadly, it looks as though Rahuul won't be able to join you guys Monday night. I went hiking this weekend and about three hours in, slipped and fell and landed on my wrist which shattered the head of my radius of my right hand. Now I get to learn to do everything left handed. Hopefully once they put the permanent cast on on monday that I'll regain some use of the right hand so i can play again.

Tom Scud

05-02-2010, 10:56 AM

Yeticus Rex

05-03-2010, 11:51 AM

Oh man....that sucks.....Get well, JayRx!

Skammer

05-03-2010, 12:34 PM

Ow! That sucks Jay! Although what male isn't adept at using the computer with just his left hand? :D

Shot From Guns

05-03-2010, 04:04 PM

I went hiking this weekend and about three hours in, slipped and fell and landed on my wrist which shattered the head of my radius of my right hand.

Ow ow ow ow ow ow. Fingers crossed (on your behalf :p) for a quick recovery. Hope it wasn't three hours back out until you could get medical attention for it (or at least some pain killers).

JayRx1981

05-03-2010, 07:43 PM

Ow! That sucks Jay! Although what male isn't adept at using the computer with just his left hand? :D

Only for certain tasks. ;p

JayRx1981

05-03-2010, 07:49 PM

Ow ow ow ow ow ow. Fingers crossed (on your behalf :p) for a quick recovery. Hope it wasn't three hours back out until you could get medical attention for it (or at least some pain killers).

Isn't too bad today. I'm just exhausted despite sleeping most of the day.

As for the day it occurred, it only took us about 40 minutes to get from the spot of the accident to the ER. The crappy thing is getting in to see a hand doc. They can't see me now till Thursday, and this stupid temp splint is itchy. Oh well.

Enjoy Ulduar tonight gang. :)

Skammer

05-04-2010, 08:34 AM

If it makes you feel any better, we didn't get to do Ulduar. We only had 7-8 folks show up, and then one joined a VoA25 raid, so we came up short. Five of us ended up doing a full clear of PoS (farming for Battered Hilt and various other gear) but I don't think anyone got anything other than d/e trash and cloth.

I hope whoever was unable to join last night can make it next Monday.

FlightlessBird

05-04-2010, 11:56 AM

Actually Lightbird got a sword that was an iLvl UG but I'm not sure how much better it really is. (some +s some -s, but it left my defense over 540)
But he still has a lot of sub-200 iLvl gear in his Tanking set so I really need to get to work.
How was my tanking? We wiped once early on, and then relied on the 2 outstanding ret Pallies to pull us out of the Ick-mess. Otherwise I don't think I lost too much aggro, but only Kene would know who was getting healed.
I think the RDF won't even let me into HoR yet so I doubt we would've done well with that.

Shot From Guns

05-04-2010, 12:08 PM

Lightbird is a Pally tank, right? Can you give me a rundown on the stats on both swords? I might be able to advise some, if you're interested. :D

Jragon

05-04-2010, 12:39 PM

You did fine, Bird. Part of the "Ick mess" was my fault. He was casting pursuit on me and I ran, get this, into the corner like I was 5. >.<

Okay to be fair, I was trying not to run through the muck and accidentally went towards the corner because of where it was placed, but still, that was completely my fault.

Trust me, it's still not as bad as the first time we I tried regular PoS. We ended up with just me and Reins taking out 75% of Ick's HP because most of us ended up dying horribly.

Tom Scud

05-04-2010, 12:58 PM

I love Ick - probably my favorite fight in the game, because it's so random, and yet easier than it looks. With all his special abilities he's likely to take someone or other out at almost any time, but because he keeps stopping to use them, he can't bring the hammer down if the heals or tank go down. I've beaten him a bunch of times on Muz after the heals went down, and the other day, the group I was in knocked him down from about a third of his hit points after the tank went down, with my clothie shadow priest holding aggro. If he'd just run towards me and beaten on me, we probably would have wiped.

Shot From Guns

05-04-2010, 01:17 PM

The one thing to remember with Ick is that no matter what special thing he's about to do, run away.

Casting mines? Run away from them.
Casting nova? Run away from it.
Casting pursuit? Run away from him.

Really, you can't go wrong with fleeing. :p

Tom Scud

05-04-2010, 01:23 PM

Ah, the King Arthur maneuver.

Shot From Guns

05-04-2010, 01:26 PM

Quite.

Skammer

05-04-2010, 01:53 PM

Ick was fun; the only reason I died is that when he started to cast his nova I mashed the wrong key and didn't move :o

Bird, your tanking was not a problem. A couple of times you had some spikey damage and occasionally one of the other pallies pulled aggro, but it wasn't out of control. After a few pulls I learned not to pre-heal or shield you until you built up some aggro and it was fine.

The only time it got a little crazy were on the first couple of pulls up the hill, when one of the Repentances broke.

Headrush042

05-04-2010, 02:10 PM

Sorry, it's been a busy couple weeks. I should be alright for next Monday night, unless my gf decides to lock me up in her condo instead.

Bosstone

05-04-2010, 02:55 PM

Sorry again, guys. I neglected my allergy meds over the weekend and paid for it hard yesterday. I do want to join in on the raids, but Monday seems to be pretty rough for me most weeks.

Mister Rik

05-04-2010, 03:49 PM

Sorry I haven't been showing up with Keliraeda. Since I've started running Heroics on my main (my human pally) she's gotten a lot more fun and has been keeping me busy. Keliraeda is essentially a near-clone of my main, aside from gear, so taking a break from my main to play basically the same toon with a different model just isn't doing it for me. And at this point I can't manage to get interested in tanking or healing.

I've also been investing a lot of my non-pally time to my draenei mage, who is about halfway between lvls 75 and 76. I want to get her to 80 soon so that I can pass her heirloom robe and shoulders down to my [currently-level-28] priest, who has recently started to be a lot of fun.

But for BDL, I have been spending as much time as I can leveling my warlock, Hexpot, (lvl 32 now). I hope to get her to 80 before too long, to help relieve the overabundance of pallys, priests, and druids at the top. I suppose it wouldn't hurt for Keliraeda to start working that Argent Crusade rep to get access to the heirloom stuff.

Shot From Guns

05-04-2010, 04:39 PM

I've also been investing a lot of my non-pally time to my draenei mage, who is about halfway between lvls 75 and 76. I want to get her to 80 soon so that I can pass her heirloom robe and shoulders down to my [currently-level-28] priest, who has recently started to be a lot of fun.

Pssssssst! Assuming they're on the same server, there's nothing to stop you from mailing the gear back and forth.

FlightlessBird

05-04-2010, 05:18 PM

Yeah I do that. My char selection screen lets me know which one is naked. But right now I'm using cloth heirloom gear on my boomkin(in training) druid which isn't working out great. Kinda like my mage was. Lotsa drinking.
But the +20% is key!

Mister Rik

05-04-2010, 06:49 PM

Pssssssst! Assuming they're on the same server, there's nothing to stop you from mailing the gear back and forth.

Oo, yeah, I didn't think of that!

Kind of a bummer that all my clothies can share the same heirlooms, but I had to buy completely different mail pieces for my hunter and shaman.

Bosstone

05-04-2010, 07:04 PM

Oo, yeah, I didn't think of that!

Kind of a bummer that all my clothies can share the same heirlooms, but I had to buy completely different mail pieces for my hunter and shaman.From what I understand, quite a few people just buy the cloth shoulders and use those for all their characters. Even if it's a Warrior, the 10% XP beats out the useless stats and minimal armor (and even then they grant extra Stam, so they're not totally useless). If you have a pressing need to use your Emblems for level 80 gear, you can make do with that, and maybe even the cloth chest if you want to live dangerously.

I prefer using class-appropriate gear, though, or at least close enough to be useful. Right now I have cloth shoulders and chest for casters, leather +agility shoulders for rogues, druids, hunters, and enh shammies, and plate shoulders for warriors and pallies.

(Come to think of it, wearing cloth on a non-caster would probably get you kicked if you're leveling through dungeons. So maybe it's not as great an idea as it used to be, unless you're powersoloing.)