Resolved:menstruation is a sin

[willthekittensurvive?]

If spilling your seed is a sin (euhm…. Masturbation) why is a woman having a menstruation not a crime in the eye of GOD?

She could have had a child if she had let someone impregnate her, but she choose to waste her egg, thus breaking Genesis 1:28 : be fruitful and increase in number/ go forth and multiply/fuck off

[alice_in_wonderland]

Wrong forum, maybe?

Anyhow - that's absurd, regardless. Even if our hypothetical mensturator has sex with 17 guys between day 11 and day 14 of her cycle there's no guarantee that one of them will actually manage to get the job done. Secondly, even if they do manage to get a swimmer to where it's needed, there's no guarantee that the resulting embryo will be viable.

On the off chance that IMHO IS where you intended this silly OP to be...uh, OK, yah, mensturation is a sin - the cramping, the leaking, the need for every manner of pad and plug and cup, the cramping, the headache, the backache - ugh, it's a sin.

[willthekittensurvive?]

Wasn’t a real question or debate of course, I have been taking anti-depressives and haven’t been able to spill my seed for almost six months now, feeling a bit frustrated about it

[Broomstick]

If spilling your seed is a sin (euhm…. Masturbation) why is a woman having a menstruation not a crime in the eye of GOD?

She could have had a child if she had let someone impregnate her, but she choose to waste her egg, thus breaking Genesis 1:28 : be fruitful and increase in number/ go forth and multiply/fuck off
Because God doesn't give women a choice in whether or not they menstruate, but men don't have to spill their seed - they could have sexual intercourse and leave their penis inside a vagina until ejaculation. They can resist the temptation to masturbate (sometimes easier said than done, I am told, but still possible).

Women, however, menstruate when their bodies decide to do so. Even if she had sex every day there's no guarantee that a woman will conceive. There have even been cases of women menstruating while pregnant (rare, but it happens).

Apparently, God feels free to waste lots of eggs, despite their relatively small supply, but wants to save all the millions of sperm in each ejaculate. More proof, in my mind, that the God of Abraham is a sadistic asshole but that's strictly my opinion.

[Icerigger]

More proof, in my mind, that the God of Abraham is a sadistic asshole but that's strictly my opinion.

Indeed, just check out Jewish Niddah laws.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niddah

[Malacandra]

If spilling your seed is a sin (euhm…. Masturbation)

That's the big if. If it's Onan we're talking about, he appears to have been guilty of sneakily depriving a widow of her estate by refusing to ejaculate inside her while appearing publicly to fulfil the custom of levirate marriage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levirate_marriage). Otherwise, what Biblical reference did you have in mind?

...Alternatively, carry on with the religion-bashing, and I'll just go forth and multiply.

[SecondJudith]

Yes, it's pretty clear from the rest of the story that Onan's "sin" was real estate fraud, not wanking.

[DianaG]

If spilling your seed is a sin (euhm…. Masturbation) why is a woman having a menstruation not a crime in the eye of GOD?

Because it's not fun?

[Inner Stickler]

[QUOTE=willthekittensurvive?;12744771]

Apparently, God feels free to waste lots of eggs, despite their relatively small supply, but wants to save all the millions of sperm in each ejaculate. More proof, in my mind, that the God of Abraham is a sadistic asshole but that's strictly my opinion.The best part, in my mind is the fact that sperm only last in the system for a few days and then the body starts breaking them down to reuse the nutrients for new sperm. So the sperm get wasted either way.

[Der Trihs]

Because God doesn't give women a choice in whether or not they menstruate, but men don't have to spill their seed - they could have sexual intercourse and leave their penis inside a vagina until ejaculation. Only if they have access to a woman, or else they'll just have night emissions.

As for why menstruation isn't a crime in the eyes of God; it's probably because the sort of people who think "spilling your seed" is a sin are also the ones who think women are sinful just for being female. The "Daughters of Eve", temptresses and minions of Satan and all that. They don't label menstruation a sin because they don't think femininity ever stops being a sin.

[Shirley Ujest]

[QUOTE=willthekittensurvive?;12744771]

Apparently, God feels free to waste lots of eggs, despite their relatively small supply, but wants to save all the millions of sperm in each ejaculate. More proof, in my mind, that the God of Abraham is a sadistic asshole but that's strictly my opinion.The best part, in my mind is the fact that sperm only last in the system for a few days and then the body starts breaking them down to reuse the nutrients for new sperm. So the sperm get wasted either way.

So, what you are saying is men are going to Hell whether or not they masturbate.

Well guys, might as well rub one out.


:)

[cmkeller]

Resolved: you do not understand the concept of sin.

A sin is something committed intentionally. Even in a male, spilling his seed by accident (e.g., a nocturnal emission) is not considered sinful. Certainly not mentsruation.

[Hypnagogic Jerk]

I have been taking anti-depressives and haven’t been able to spill my seed for almost six months now, feeling a bit frustrated about it
Well at least this means the kitten will survive!

[overlyverbose]

My understanding was that having sex for any reason was a sin, but it's a necessary evil in order to procreate. However, having sex with someone you're not married to or rubbing one out is supposed to be high up on the list of No-nos.

As for menstruation, like everyone else has said, it's something you can't control. But it has historically made women unclean and inferior in the eyes of the Church.

Tangentially, I've never understood why, if women were so inferior, we should be trusted to raise a man's sons. After all, we're so dumb, how do our husbands know we won't set them on fire on accident or fill their heads with drivel? :)

[Ellen Cherry]

Moving thread from IMHO to Great Debates.

Ellen Cherry
IMHO Moderator

[Cat Whisperer]

My understanding was that having sex for any reason was a sin, but it's a necessary evil in order to procreate. However, having sex with someone you're not married to or rubbing one out is supposed to be high up on the list of No-nos.

As for menstruation, like everyone else has said, it's something you can't control. But it has historically made women unclean and inferior in the eyes of the Church.

Tangentially, I've never understood why, if women were so inferior, we should be trusted to raise a man's sons. After all, we're so dumb, how do our husbands know we won't set them on fire on accident or fill their heads with drivel? :)
Women are also a necessary evil. :)

[The Flying Dutchman]

Resolved: you do not understand the concept of sin.

A sin is something committed intentionally. Even in a male, spilling his seed by accident (e.g., a nocturnal emission) is not considered sinful. Certainly not mentsruation.

You do not understand the concept of original sin. And the fact that all women have been cursed by it.

[cmkeller]

Despite the fact that I am Jewish, I understand the concept well enough to know that men are considered to be cursed by it as well as women.

And "Original Sin" still does not refer to an accidental occurrence. Granted, it was not the descendant in question who perpetrated it, but it was still an intentional act of defiance of G-d's law that produced the effect. There is no definition of "sin" that does not somehow stem from intentional, not accidental, activity.

[Chronos]

My understanding was that having sex for any reason was a sin, but it's a necessary evil in order to procreate.I know of no living religion that believes that all sex is inherently sinful, certainly none which considers the Bible to be a holy book. I know this is a common caricature, but there's almost no truth behind it.

[foolsguinea]

Wasn’t a real question or debate of course, I have been taking anti-depressives and haven’t been able to spill my seed for almost six months now, feeling a bit frustrated about itI know what you mean.

In case you've been tempted, wait until the SSRI's are well clear of your system before attempting to achieve orgasm by any means. I still regret ejaculating while coming down off Paxil. I think I tore something.

[tomndebb]

If spilling your seed is a sin (euhm…. Masturbation) why is a woman having a menstruation not a crime in the eye of GOD?

She could have had a child if she had let someone impregnate her, but she choose to waste her egg, thus breaking Genesis 1:28 : be fruitful and increase in number/ go forth and multiply/fuck offAs noted:
Onan's sin was not in masturbating (or even coitus interruptus, per se), but in enjoying sex with his brother's widow, purportedly to follow levirate law and provide his brother with an heir, but then preventing conception, so that his brother's widow would have no children to support her in her old age while his dead brother would have no one to carry on his name and memory. It was not simply "spilling seed" but a form of rape.

There have been a few writers in the Christian tradition that made the same mistake you have and assumed that Onan's sin was the specific act of "spilling his seed" without any context. They were wrong.

Along with a misunderstanding of the actual sin narrated regarding Onan, the same people made a separate error in that, lacking current biological knowledge regarding meiosis and DNA and relevant subjects, they assumed that the human male created a "seed" that contained all that was necessary to form a new human and that the woman's body was simply "earth" into which the "seed" was planted. Since their version of procreation was based on an error, their version of the sin never included any action on the part of the woman, so there was no "sin" in menstruation.

And, as has been pointed out, no mainstream religious tradition has ever held that natural functions that are not conscious decisions can be sins.

[tomndebb]

Wasn’t a real question or debate of course, I have been taking anti-depressives and haven’t been able to spill my seed for almost six months now, feeling a bit frustrated about itSince it was not a real question or debate and the answer has been provided from multiple viewpoints, I'm closing this thread.

Good luck with getting off your anti-depressants.