What were Daisy Dukes called before Dukes of Hazzard?

[SirRay]

Yes, I do like the song 'California Gurls', thank you very much, :p, but what actually brought this to mind was rewatching the MST3K episode with "Swamp Diamonds" - when the escaped female prisoners cut off the legs of their jeans to make demin shorts (and which Crow indicated was the whole point of the movie).
OK, so they had ladies' demin shorts back in 1954 (and probably much earlier), but since Catherine Bach and them Duke Boys wouldn't be getting into "a whole mess o' trouble" till 1979, was there a slang phrase that meant Daisy Dukes before then?

[Dung Beetle]

We wore short shorts!

[Sigmagirl]

Hot pants.

[Bridget Burke]

They should have called them Daisy Mae's (http://www.olive-drab.com/gallery/description_0037.php)!

[cjepson]

Cutoffs.

[CalMeacham]

If they don't wear any pants, they can all them Daisy Ducks

http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3F_adv_prop%3Dimage%26va%3DDaisy%2B Duck%26fr%3Dyfp-t-701&w=182&h=289&imgurl=www.101kidz.com%2Fcards%2Fpictures%2Fdaisyduck%2F2.gif&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.101kidz.com%2Fgallery%2Fdaisyduck%2Findex.html&size=8KB&name=Daisy+Duck+%3A+Dis...&p=Daisy+Duck&oid=249bb8bcbacc694baca90423c908b317&fr2=&no=20&tt=72200&sigr=11ji539g9&sigi=11e518qef&sigb=12nrr638p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_Duck

[xenophon41]

They should have called them Daisy Mae's (http://www.olive-drab.com/gallery/description_0037.php)!
I remember my mother referring to cutoffs that way in the 60's.

-Also, wasn't the character in Dukes of Hazzard named Daisy Mae Duke, after the Li'l Abner character?

[SirRay]

They should have called them Daisy Mae's (http://www.olive-drab.com/gallery/description_0037.php)!
I remember my mother referring to cutoffs that way in the 60's.

-Also, wasn't the character in Dukes of Hazzard named Daisy Mae Duke, after the Li'l Abner character?

Daisy Mae's does sound reasonable as a slang term - cutoffs I figure was the real store term ("cutoff demin shorts") but maybe it was a slang term too.

Wasn't Short-Shorts a term from the 1970s meaning not demin cutoffs, but sports shorts in some sort of nylon/polyester/whatever 70s fabric styles? (All I can remember as a kid was that stupid ad jingle - "Nair for short-shorts!")

And wikipedia agrees with Daisy 'Mae' Duke, but I can only picture (in the TV show) Deputy Enos saying her full name (in his most bashful voice, of course).

[CalMeacham]

Wasn't Short-Shorts a term from the 1970s meaning not demin cutoffs, but sports shorts in some sort of nylon/polyester/whatever 70s fabric styles? (All I can remember as a kid was that stupid ad jingle - "Nair for short-shorts!")

It was a late 1950's song that Nair resurrected for those commercials*, so the term long predates The Dukes of Hazzard.


Page on Short Shorts:

http://badfads.com/pages/fashion/short-shorts.html







*1957, by the Royal Teens.

[devilsknew]

Bermuda Shorts. Pretty much any repurposed Denim Jean Cutoff Shorts regardless of length were just generically called "Bermudas".

[DrFidelius]

I don't recall different terms for cutoffs based on length. They were all cutoffs, although shorts themselves went from capris and clamdiggers up to hot pants.

[Chronos]

Quoth Sigmagirl:Hot pants. I thought hot pants were made of Spandex or similar stretchy material, not denim.

[Thudlow Boink]

Quoth Sigmagirl:Hot pants. I thought hot pants were made of Spandex or similar stretchy material, not denim.Aye, the hot pants.

I agree with Chronos. "Hot pants" and "Daisy Dukes" bring up different (albeit both pleasant :cool:) images in my mind.

[DiosaBellissima]

Bermuda Shorts. Pretty much any repurposed Denim Jean Cutoff Shorts regardless of length were just generically called "Bermudas".

Bermuda shorts go down to your knee. . .they are basically the opposite of Daisy Dukes. Bermudas (http://www.denimblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/citizens-of-humanity-bermuda-shorts.jpg) and Daisy Dukes. (http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/67793/original.jpg)

[CalMeacham]

I thought hot pants were made of Spandex or similar stretchy material, not denim.

My recollection is that Hot Pant could be made of any material. Most, in my recollection, weren't stretchy.

[tdn]

When worn by men? "Stylish and not the least bit gay."

I don't know what we were thinking.

[The Devil's Grandmother]

Cut-offs, is what we called them in the 1970s. "Daisy Dukes" are cut-off cut really high on the thigh, like the running shorts (http://www3.shopping.com/-vintage+dolfin+shorts) which were in fashion at the time.

[devilsknew]

Bermuda Shorts. Pretty much any repurposed Denim Jean Cutoff Shorts regardless of length were just generically called "Bermudas".

Bermuda shorts go down to your knee. . .they are basically the opposite of Daisy Dukes. Bermudas (http://www.denimblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/citizens-of-humanity-bermuda-shorts.jpg) and Daisy Dukes. (http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/67793/original.jpg)

Look, Like I said, that's what they called cut-off denim shorts regardless of length.

Said the grammar police to the fashion police...

[woodstockbirdybird]

Fugly?

[DiosaBellissima]

Bermuda shorts go down to your knee. . .they are basically the opposite of Daisy Dukes. Bermudas (http://www.denimblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/citizens-of-humanity-bermuda-shorts.jpg) and Daisy Dukes. (http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/67793/original.jpg)

Look, Like I said, that's what they called cut-off denim shorts regardless of length.

Said the grammar police to the fashion police...

All I'm saying is that bermuda shorts are actually a specific thing. It's not a generic term like "cut offs."

[devilsknew]

And all I'm saying is that before they were known as Daisy Dukes a common vernacular was to call them "Bermudas".

[Thudlow Boink]

And all I'm saying is that before they were known as Daisy Dukes a common vernacular was to call them "Bermudas".Do you have a cite for (what we now know as) "Daisy Bukes" being referred to as "Bermudas"? Because, like Diosa, I've always thought of Bermudas as being knee-length shorts.

[devilsknew]

Nope... but I assure you that was a common colloquial usage. I think the name referred more to the homemade nature of the Jean shorts rather than style or length. You never bought pre-made denim "bermuda shorts" as they come nowadays. It was unheard of... You always cut off an old pair of jeans.

[DiosaBellissima]

For the sake of clarification, I've started a thread in IMHO (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12841675#post12841675) about this bermuda issue. I will accept that perhaps this is a common colloquial usage, but I've never heard anyone use it that way.

[DiosaBellissima]

Did I say that link? I meant the discussion is at this link, (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=575848) which has a poll and everything!

[The Hamster King]

I will accept that perhaps this is a common colloquial usage, but I've never heard anyone use it that way.Neither have I. Bermuda shorts are a very particular thing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_shorts), not just a general term for "cut-offs".

[Sampiro]

Hip hugger short shorts.

[Wile E]

They're cut-offs.

[Knorf]

Bermuda Shorts. Pretty much any repurposed Denim Jean Cutoff Shorts regardless of length were just generically called "Bermudas".

No, they weren't.

Nope... but I assure you that was a common colloquial usage. I think the name referred more to the homemade nature of the Jean shorts rather than style or length. You never bought pre-made denim "bermuda shorts" as they come nowadays. It was unheard of... You always cut off an old pair of jeans.

None of this is true.

[Tristan]

I think you are all misspelling "Awesome".

:)

[kittenblue]

As a child of the 70's, I can state that what were known as both short-shorts and hot pants began to be called Daisy Dukes when the show came out...but only if they were denim. Cut-offs were any pair of denim jeans you cut off to make shorts of any length. Bermudas were dressier shorts, knee-length, and usually worn by older men with socks and loafers. Generally plaid, never denim.

[carnut]

Hot pants.

Hot pants were in fashion with that name in the late 60s- early 70s. They had finished hems and were quite dressy, often worn with knee high boots. I was thrilled to own a pair in my tween years. They were usually made of a brushed cotton twill. Spandex had not come to clothing yet at the time.

Daisy Dukes were known as cutoffs, but until Daisy Duke came along, cutoffs were cut straight across and did not show any ass-cheekage. Sometimes we rolled the hems to make 'em shorter but they still didn't quite make Daisy Duke territory.

[Spud]

I think the name referred more to the homemade nature of the Jean shorts rather than style or length.

But that goes against the image of Bermuda... it is considered upscale and somewhat stuffy by island standards. It is anything but a poor island nation. Tropical yet dressy matches their image.

Now, if they were called Haitis that might make sense.

[adhemar]

hot pants were basically dressy short shorts circa 1971 to 1974. I wore them often. So much in fact I was nick named Miss Hot Pants of 1974.My mother, who was a high school teacher said she thought they were more discreet than mini skirts and she was tired of seeing all of the girls' underwear all of the time.

Cut offs could be any length of any cut off pants worn by either gender. Generally they were jeans cut off above knee at least and the hem left to unravel.

Daisy Dukes were any short tight shorts and not necessarily denim.

I haved never heard of short shorts or cut offs or hot pants called bermuda shorts. During my high school days no one wore knee length shorts except old guys on the golf course.

[SirRay]

Daisy Dukes were known as cutoffs, but until Daisy Duke came along, cutoffs were cut straight across and did not show any ass-cheekage. Sometimes we rolled the hems to make 'em shorter but they still didn't quite make Daisy Duke territory.

OK, so the general consensus seems to be that cutoff denim shorts were simply called cut-offs (with the occasional 'Daisy Mae' terminology) prior to 1979.
This is what the women characters in 'Swamp Diamonds' actually did to their prison jeans, cut them off at the thighs: Swamp Diamonds movie poster (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/Swampwomen.jpg) (note that in the movie Beverly's (and the other escapees') pants are blue denim, not green as in the poster) - Compare with Daisy Duke's cut-offs (http://toddzilla.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/daisy_duke.jpg). "Daisy Dukes were any short tight shorts and not necessarily denim". Hmm, I guess the term Daisy Dukes has been repurposed over the years, as two entries in the 'Urban dictionary' mention denim, while one indicates just any short of very short shorts. Although even at the time I thought the term refered to denim cutoffs.
As for short shorts, hot pants, and whatever, as a kid/young teen in the 1970s I kind of lumped those as all fashion/disco/sports-fitness related. Alas, the girls my age I knew out in suburban Long Island normally wore pretty much the same style as us guys - jeans, sneakers, and t-shirts. (What can I say, I graduated High School before John Hughes dressed his male teen actors in slacks and sports coats, and female teen actors in the then-latest high fashions :smack:).

[Spud]

Sorry, just wanted to back up my stand on Bermuda's image.

From Wiki:

Bermuda has an affluent economy, with finance as its largest sector followed by tourism,[3][4] giving it the world's highest GDP per capita in 2005. It has a subtropical climate.[5]

Not quite what you would associate with "home made."

[Johnny L.A.]

Cut offs could be any length of any cut off pants worn by either gender. Generally they were jeans cut off above knee at least and the hem left to unravel.

Levi's 501s, cut off below the pocket. When I was a kid I'd take a safety pin and fray the cut end. One just didn't walk out in un-frayed cut-offs! :p

[devilsknew]

Bermuda Shorts. Pretty much any repurposed Denim Jean Cutoff Shorts regardless of length were just generically called "Bermudas".

No, they weren't.

Nope... but I assure you that was a common colloquial usage. I think the name referred more to the homemade nature of the Jean shorts rather than style or length. You never bought pre-made denim "bermuda shorts" as they come nowadays. It was unheard of... You always cut off an old pair of jeans.

None of this is true.

Hey, different strokes, different folks, but growing up as a child of the seventies in my little corner of the world "Bermudas" were a common synonymn for "Shorts", and more specifically, denim shorts cut off above the knee. It was common vernacular. Or as our Alabaman neighbor said... "cutoff dungarees".

And "shorts" is probably shortened from the original terminology "Short Pants" or maybe it was derived from "Bermuda Shorts"? Which came first? Bermuda Shorts seems like a later term.

[pulykamell]

And "shorts" is probably shortened from the original terminology "Short Pants" or maybe it was derived from "Bermuda Shorts"? Which came first? Bermuda Shorts seems like a later term.

Not exactly sure what point you're making here. Yes, "shorts" derives from "short pants" and dates back to 1826. "Bermuda shorts" dates back to 1953. I don't think anybody would dispute "shorts" is a much earlier term.

[Dallas Jones]

Bermuda shorts were never made of denim and never cut offs. They are hemmed dress shorts.

Bermuda Shorts, also known as walking shorts or dress shorts, are a particular type of short trousers, now widely worn as semi-casual attire by both men and women. The hem can be cuffed or un-cuffed, around one inch above the knee.

They are so-named because of their popularity in Bermuda, a British Overseas Territory, where they are considered appropriate business attire for men when made of suit-like material and worn with knee-length socks, a dress shirt, tie, and blazer.

From here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_shorts

You must have grown up in a different '70's than I did.

[devilsknew]

And "shorts" is probably shortened from the original terminology "Short Pants" or maybe it was derived from "Bermuda Shorts"? Which came first? Bermuda Shorts seems like a later term.

Not exactly sure what point you're making here. Yes, "shorts" derives from "short pants" and dates back to 1826. "Bermuda shorts" dates back to 1953. I don't think anybody would dispute "shorts" is a much earlier term.

Well, just as "Short Pants" were reassigned the identity of "Shorts"... and then eventually as "Bermuda Shorts", yet further some 100 years later. "Bermuda Shorts" and their timely unlengthening was commonly and likewise assigned the term "Bermudas".

I also surmise that the "shorts of 1826" bear no resemblence to modern "shorts", which would be much too immodest in length. As a matter of fact, the shorts of 1826 probably bear more in common with "Bermuda Shorts". But we solved that here by adopting the Bikini, burning our bras, developing tampons and renaming "Bermudas", "Daisy Dukes".

[devilsknew]

And through some linguistic turn, Bermudas today are called "Khakees". Or even more recently during the Millenial War, and stylistically "Camos".

Did you know that Camo Khakees are banned in some Caribbean countries unless you are a member of the military?

[Icerigger]

Here is "Mary Ann" from Gilligan's Island in her short shorts circa 1966.

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/homework/mary-ann.jpg

[pulykamell]

And through some linguistic turn, Bermudas today are called "Khakees".

Hmm. I've never heard bermudas referred to as khakis. To me, "khaki" is a particular kind of material and/or particular sandy color, and "khakis" can refer to trousers made from this material. Perhaps some people call bermudas khakis but, as far as I know, they are not usually used synonymously.

[devilsknew]

And the beat goes on, and every generation denies their maker, and every generation comes closer....and the beat goes on.

When you gonna make a change to the status clo?

[devilsknew]

and the beat goes on... and every nation fit to tailor, and every generation draws the string... and the beat goes on

[DrFidelius]

Here is "Mary Ann" from Gilligan's Island in her short shorts circa 1966.

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/homework/mary-ann.jpg

...

I'll be in my bunk.

[Spud]

the status clo?

Are you now going to argue that this is the correct term and it is widely used?

[DrFidelius]

the status clo?

Are you now going to argue that this is the correct term and it is widely used?

If devilsknew could just bring himself to say "Well, that's what we called them in South Pigfuck when I was growing up," the whole controversy would evaporate.

[chela]

We called 'em Daisy Mae's too, I think the credit belongs to Daisy Mae Scragg (http://lil-abner.com/daisymae.html) from Lil Abner. I bet that is also who the character of Elly Mae Clampett (who wore short cutoffs too)was inspired by . Funny thing is Granny Clampett was also a Daisy Mae. Granny in daisy dukes and bikini on top?

[DrFidelius]

Hey, don't dis Granny! Irene Ryan might not have been conventionally hot when she was younger, but she was cute as a button.

Google up some images of her.

[xenophon41]

Are you now going to argue that this is the correct term and it is widely used?

If devilsknew could just bring himself to say "Well, that's what we called them in South Pigfuck when I was growing up," the whole controversy would evaporate.

Yep.

I was a child of the 60's in the US Southeast, Texas and western states (we moved a lot), and I never heard cutoffs confused with Bermuda shorts. But I'm sure willing to accept that some areas were more liberal in their sartorial terminologies...

[DiosaBellissima]

Are you now going to argue that this is the correct term and it is widely used?

If devilsknew could just bring himself to say "Well, that's what we called them in South Pigfuck when I was growing up," the whole controversy would evaporate.

I doubt he is from South Pigfuck, since he was so quick to attack me as classless in the other thread because I'm from Bakersfield. I'm sure he's from somewhere fancy, like Modesto. ;)

[tdn]

Now I want to go to Bermuda and have some of their tasty onions.

Back on track -- did anyone besides me call them jeans shorts?

[Gary T]

Now I want to go to Bermuda and have some of their tasty onions.

Back on track -- did anyone besides me call them jeans shorts?My recollection is that jeans shorts were storebought with a hem, while cutoffs were home cut with no hem.

[Shadowfyre]

I'm a kid of the 80's. I pretty much grew up with Daisy Duke's, so I am all knowing and my mastery of vocabulary is unfalable ;)

Referring to the pick of Mary Ann from Gilligan's Island up thread:
http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/homework/mary-ann.jpg

I can't tell what fabric is used in that pic, but even if it is denim, I would consider it more of a hot pant with the high waistline and hemmed cuffs around the leg. Kind of what Linda Carter wore in Wonder Woman:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-1/1134258/Wonder%20Woman%20-%20Color%20-%20001.jpg

Hot pants have been updated lately though. I would consider these hot pants as well despite the lower waistband. They are kinda tight and stretchy:
http://www.mmmmhot.com.au/sites/mmmmhotcom/assets/public/image/products/featured/415/690x570/hot-pants-690-2008-06-19-11-06-54.jpg

Daisy Dukes are cutoffs, but they are a specific subset of cut-offs. These are cut offs, they still have some of the pant leg remaining:
http://www.kaboodle.com/hi/img/c/0/0/4c/f/AAAADArKmDgAAAAAAEz3Rg.jpg?v=1242761894000

Here is a picture of Daisy Duke herself:
http://toddzilla.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/daisy_duke.jpg

Notice the waistband is much lower than the hot pants of the day (see Wonder Woman) revealing her bellybutton. They are obviously jeans at one point, in that the pockets are "jean-like" compared to Mary Ann's pockets. Also, the hot pants pretty much covered the butt cheek and we can see a bit of butt cheek in Daisy's photo. Just like the cutoffs, Daisy Dukes have the frayed hem.

I would say that to most people, Daisy Dukes are a low rise denim jean that had the legs cut off even with or above the crotch seam.

The Bermuda shorts are usually shorts that are of a much nicer quality that supposed to be more formal usually ending just above the knee.

For men:
http://slimages.macys.com/is/image/MCY/products/7/optimized/721297_fpx.tif?bgc=255,255,255&wid=327&qlt=90,0&layer=comp&op_sharpen=0&resMode=bicub&op_usm=0.7,1.0,0.5,0&fmt=jpeg

And for women:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41abHKKh-wL.jpg

Just regular jean shorts are different than cut offs. They are very much like a Bermuda short but they are made of denim with a stitched cuff:
http://media.photobucket.com/image/jorts/goodforthekids/40370938_8696621_full.jpg

The jean short has developed a slang term, "jort" a combination of the words jean and short, but is becoming increasingly applied to ugly cutoffs and Daisy Dukes. If someone complements you on your jorts, you are probably being made fun of.

In all of the pictures that I could find of Daisy Mae Scragg, I can't tell if she is supposed to be wearing Daisy Dukes or a tight, short skirt that has been frayed.

Finally I went looking to see what Ellie Mae wore on the Beverly Hillbillies. From all the pictures Google gave, she always seemed to be wearing longer pants. Not quite full length jeans, but they definitely went past the knees:
http://media.photobucket.com/image/jorts/goodforthekids/40370938_8696621_full.jpg

Maybe a capri or clam digger type length with a length of rope as a belt.

[Nzinga, Seated]

In the hood, we called them poom pooms.

[DiosaBellissima]

In the hood, we called them poom pooms.

In Bakersfield, we called them "church pants."

[xenophon41]

In Springfield, we called 'em bumblefoops. We'd wear an onion on our belts, 'cause that was the fashion then...[/Grampa Simpson]

[whole bean]

And through some linguistic turn, Bermudas today are called "Khakees". Or even more recently during the Millenial War, and stylistically "Camos".

Did you know that Camo Khakees are banned in some Caribbean countries unless you are a member of the military?

Perhaps by the same crazy ass old man who insists that cut-offs were once called "Bermudas." I am pretty sure that no one else refers to Bermuda shorts as khakis unless that are indeed khaki in color and then only as a reference to the color (It is common to refer to tan cotton trousers as khakis). I am damn near certain no one refers to Bermuda shorts as camos, aside form the aforemntioned crazy ass old man.

[Spud]

I am damn near certain no one refers to Bermuda shorts as camos, aside form the aforemntioned crazy ass old man.

What about soldiers... in Bermuda?

[whole bean]

I am damn near certain no one refers to Bermuda shorts as camos, aside form the aforemntioned crazy ass old man.

What about soldiers... in Bermuda?

is this one of those "french toast" things?

[Spud]

We have some soldiers on this board. I dare you the next time you are told to show up for an exercise in your camos to show up in a pair of plaid Bermuda shorts. If you are questioned (unlikely) you can let your CO know that this is a common and well known term for Bermuda shorts. Oh, I forgot... since Bermuda shorts is interchangeable with Daisy Dukes... show up in those. I'm sure the CO will get a big laugh out of it.

p.s. don't forget to start an "ask the guy in the brig" thread

[Gary T]

In all of the pictures that I could find of Daisy Mae Scragg, I can't tell if she is supposed to be wearing Daisy Dukes or a tight, short skirt that has been frayed.These three would clearly indicate a skirt to me:

http://bms.westport.k12.ct.us/mccormick/li%27l%20abner/LILABNER%20STAMPGIF.gif

http://www.mindspring.com/~coatl/images/daisymae.gif

http://media.photobucket.com/image/daisy%20mae/Enock_the_Yellow/LauraPetrieDaisyMae.jpg

[Gary T]

Definitely a skirt (http://www.animationarchive.org/2008/06/biography-al-capp-3-recapp-bio-of.html) (scroll down about 2/3, just after the Surf ads to the ham ad).

[Guinastasia]

And through some linguistic turn, Bermudas today are called "Khakees". Or even more recently during the Millenial War, and stylistically "Camos".

Did you know that Camo Khakees are banned in some Caribbean countries unless you are a member of the military?

Where the hell do you come up with all of this bullshit?

[devilsknew]

And through some linguistic turn, Bermudas today are called "Khakees". Or even more recently during the Millenial War, and stylistically "Camos".

Did you know that Camo Khakees are banned in some Caribbean countries unless you are a member of the military?

Where the hell do you come up with all of this bullshit?
USA Today (http://traveltips.usatoday.com/caribbean-vacation-packing-list-14713.html)
For sightseeing or eating dinner in town, you need to be more covered up. Especially in churches or nice restaurants, lightweight longer-sleeved shirts and pants, skirts or dresses are more appropriate than shorts and flip-flops. Also be aware that wearing camouflage-patterned clothing of any kind is illegal in several Caribbean countries.

Camo Khakees banned in Caribbean. (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=0wh&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&&sa=X&ei=lul3TOHADITGlQfylonsCw&ved=0CDgQBSgA&q=Camo+khakis+banned+in+caribbean&spell=1)

John Bull Mil spec Clothing fashion police (http://www.johnbullclothing.com/fashion_police.asp)

[devilsknew]

Even the GAP has Camo Cargo Khakis (http://www.polyvore.com/gap_elevated_camo_cargo_khakis/thing?id=15542646), Guinistasia...

[devilsknew]

I didn't come up with any of it... it's simply the evolution of language and dialect, naturally. Quite interesting, really, the dynamic nature of language.

[Spud]

Even the GAP has Camo Cargo Khakis (http://www.polyvore.com/gap_elevated_camo_cargo_khakis/thing?id=15542646), Guinistasia...

Exactly... aka Daisy Dukes

[xenophon41]

I'm pretty sure I'll regret this, but I believe the problem we're having is with the specific claim that Bermudas today are called "Khakees". Or even more recently during the Millenial War, and stylistically "Camos".In other words, does there exist any reference outside of this thread to "khaki" (or "khakee") or to "camo" used as a specific identifier for -or even interchangeably with- "short pants," either hemmed or unhemmed? It appears the universal-outside-of-devilsknew understanding is that "khaki" refers to uniform clothing of a tan color or to a type of casual trouser, and that "camo" is always used to denote clothing made of fabric using a camouflage pattern.

I suppose either term could be used incidentally to refer to shorts if they're constructed of tan or camouflage fabric, but in the same sort of way one could call a particular SDMB post "farfetched" without intending to classify all SDMB posts under the same rubric.

[whole bean]

I didn't come up with any of it... it's simply the evolution of language and dialect, naturally. Quite interesting, really, the dynamic nature of language.

You have officially mastered the non-sequitur.

To recap: you said bermuda shorts were now known as "khakees" and "camos." You were ridiculed. In support for your preposterous proposition, you cite:

1. a google search, some of the results for which discuss a Caribbean island ban on khaki colored clothing, often pants, and camouflage clothing, both of which are common for military uniforms. None of the cites I looked over conflate the two. In fact, at least one cite makes the distinction between khaki and camouflage.

2. a page from a military clothing supplier's website, which contains the following "Major designers have always adapted khaki and camouflage and other features of military clothing in their designs." (Emphasis mine). No mention of either of these words being synonymous with Bermuda shorts.

3. A website that apparently helps the colorblind dress themselves and also calls a pair of long camouflage patterned pants "khakis."

It's as if the fact that the words "camo" and "khaki" appear alongside mention of the Caribbean (which has nothing to do with the island nation of Bermuda located pretty much due east of North Carolina) have in your mind lead to the conclusion that bermuda shorts are called camos. Seriously, are you a real person or a computer?

[whole bean]

Even the GAP has Camo Cargo Khakis (http://www.polyvore.com/gap_elevated_camo_cargo_khakis/thing?id=15542646), Guinistasia...

Exactly... aka Daisy Dukes

in devilsknew's neighborhood, you bet your sweet ass

[devilsknew]

Oh really...
Nobody calls the Bermuda cut of those Camouflage Cargo Khaki Pants, (which were hugely popular a couple of years back) "Camo Khakis" or just "Khakis" or "Camos"? My point is that in the evolution of fashion names or articles of clothing, often the names come and go and are variously modified adjectively or adverbally as quick as the fashions come and go. Daisy Dukes were once called Bermudas in my dialectical memory and lexicon.

[Spud]

Oh really...
Nobody calls the Bermuda cut of those Camouflage Cargo Khaki Pants, (which were hugely popular a couple of years back) "Camo Khakis" or just "Khakis" or "Camos"? My point is that in the evolution of fashion names or articles of clothing, often the names come and go and are variously modified adjectively or adverbally as quick as the fashions come and go. Daisy Dukes were once called Bermudas in my dialectical memory and lexicon.

Nobody calls Daisy Dukes Bermudas, Cargos, Camos, nor Khakis though... which is where your logic train went.

[xenophon41]

Nobody calls the Bermuda cut of those Camouflage Cargo Khaki Pants, (which were hugely popular a couple of years back) "Camo Khakis" or just "Khakis" or "Camos"?

About that...

I suppose either term could be used incidentally to refer to shorts if they're constructed of tan or camouflage fabric, but in the same sort of way one could call a particular SDMB post "farfetched" without intending to classify all SDMB posts under the same rubric.

[devilsknew]

I didn't come up with any of it... it's simply the evolution of language and dialect, naturally. Quite interesting, really, the dynamic nature of language.

You have officially mastered the non-sequitur.

To recap: you said bermuda shorts were now known as "khakees" and "camos." You were ridiculed. In support for your preposterous proposition, you cite:

1. a google search, some of the results for which discuss a Caribbean island ban on khaki colored clothing, often pants, and camouflage clothing, both of which are common for military uniforms. None of the cites I looked over conflate the two. In fact, at least one cite makes the distinction between khaki and camouflage.

2. a page from a military clothing supplier's website, which contains the following "Major designers have always adapted khaki and camouflage and other features of military clothing in their designs." (Emphasis mine). No mention of either of these words being synonymous with Bermuda shorts.

3. A website that apparently helps the colorblind dress themselves and also calls a pair of long camouflage patterned pants "khakis."

It's as if the fact that the words "camo" and "khaki" appear alongside mention of the Caribbean (which has nothing to do with the island nation of Bermuda located pretty much due east of North Carolina) have in your mind lead to the conclusion that bermuda shorts are called camos. Seriously, are you a real person or a computer?

Bermuda Shorts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_shorts) were originally modelled after British Military Cargo Khakis, so it seems we have come full circle. Now they just use camo sometimes, too.

[devilsknew]

Oh really...
Nobody calls the Bermuda cut of those Camouflage Cargo Khaki Pants, (which were hugely popular a couple of years back) "Camo Khakis" or just "Khakis" or "Camos"? My point is that in the evolution of fashion names or articles of clothing, often the names come and go and are variously modified adjectively or adverbally as quick as the fashions come and go. Daisy Dukes were once called Bermudas in my dialectical memory and lexicon.

Nobody calls Daisy Dukes Bermudas, Cargos, Camos, nor Khakis though... which is where your logic train went.

Oh, but people do... I've heard it.

[whole bean]

Nobody calls Daisy Dukes Bermudas, Cargos, Camos, nor Khakis though... which is where your logic train went.

Oh, but people do... I've heard it.

there's no telling the shit you've "heard," my man.

[pulykamell]

Nobody calls Daisy Dukes Bermudas, Cargos, Camos, nor Khakis though... which is where your logic train went.

Oh, but people do... I've heard it.

Well, all we can say is that you live in an oddball linguistic isolate that apparently has a unique fashion vocabulary. I mean, people call bermudas "khakis" where you live and they called Daisy Dukes "Bermudas?" That's got to be a highly regionalized usage.

[whole bean]

You have officially mastered the non-sequitur.

To recap: you said bermuda shorts were now known as "khakees" and "camos." You were ridiculed. In support for your preposterous proposition, you cite:

1. a google search, some of the results for which discuss a Caribbean island ban on khaki colored clothing, often pants, and camouflage clothing, both of which are common for military uniforms. None of the cites I looked over conflate the two. In fact, at least one cite makes the distinction between khaki and camouflage.

2. a page from a military clothing supplier's website, which contains the following "Major designers have always adapted khaki and camouflage and other features of military clothing in their designs." (Emphasis mine). No mention of either of these words being synonymous with Bermuda shorts.

3. A website that apparently helps the colorblind dress themselves and also calls a pair of long camouflage patterned pants "khakis."

It's as if the fact that the words "camo" and "khaki" appear alongside mention of the Caribbean (which has nothing to do with the island nation of Bermuda located pretty much due east of North Carolina) have in your mind lead to the conclusion that bermuda shorts are called camos. Seriously, are you a real person or a computer?

Bermuda Shorts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_shorts) were originally modelled after British Military Cargo Khakis, so it seems we have come full circle. Now they just use camo sometimes, too.
Dammit, dude, did you even read that? According to your very own cite, berumuda shorts were fashioned after British mitlitary shorts, but it says nothing about those British military shorts being cargo shorts (the shorts pictured aren't cargo shorts). This conclusion, that bermuda shorts are distinct from cargo shorts is, again, supported by your cite, " Cargo shorts may be a similar length, but are typically baggy or less 'tailored' than Bermuda shorts." None of this changes the fact that cargos, khakis and bermudas are not, nor have they ever been confused with, Daisy Dukes. Next thing, you'll be saying how the name Daisy Dukes goes back to the English nobility who served as officers in the tropics.

[Spud]

Bermuda Shorts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_shorts) were originally modelled after British Military Cargo Khakis, so it seems we have come full circle. Now they just use camo sometimes, too.

Did the British Military ever wear what are now referred to as Daisy Dukes? Hell, did they even wear Bermuda length cut-offs?

[devilsknew]

Nobody calls Daisy Dukes Bermudas, Cargos, Camos, nor Khakis though... which is where your logic train went.

Oh, but people do... I've heard it.

Well, all we can say is that you live in an oddball linguistic isolate that apparently has a unique fashion vocabulary. I mean, people call bermudas "khakis" where you live and they called Daisy Dukes "Bermudas?" That's got to be a highly regionalized usage.

No, I'm saying that the original terminology, "Bermuda Shorts" was replaced with the fashion style of "Khaki Shorts", which, stylistically are nothing more than Bermuda Shorts renamed. And has since been renamed "Khakis" and "Camo Khaki Shorts" has been shorthanded yet further to "Camos" or "Khakis", interchangeably. And that around here cut off jean shorts were commonly known as Bermudas and took on different meanings and styles, probably by the same linguistic evolution.

[whole bean]

Well, all we can say is that you live in an oddball linguistic isolate that apparently has a unique fashion vocabulary. I mean, people call bermudas "khakis" where you live and they called Daisy Dukes "Bermudas?" That's got to be a highly regionalized usage.

No, I'm saying that the original terminology, "Bermuda Shorts" was replaced with the fashion style of "Khaki Shorts", which, stylistically are nothing more than Bermuda Shorts renamed. And has since been renamed "Khakis" and "Camo Khaki Shorts" has been shorthanded yet further to "Camos" or "Khakis", interchangeably. And that around here cut off jean shorts were commonly known as Bermudas probably by the same linguistic evolution.

Wide left. Bermuda shorts are called khaki shorts when they are khaki in color. Blue or gray or white or pink bermuda shorts are not “khakis.” Bermuda shorts might be called camo if someone were to make bermuda shorts of camouflage material (the camo shorts that I’ve seen, both in this thread and in real life, are cargo shorts not bermuda shorts). I think the upshot is that today you are just as confused about what constitutes khakis, camos, cargos as you were thirty years ago when folks giggled behind your back because you called cut off jeans “bermudas.”

[Spud]

No, I'm saying that the original terminology, "Bermuda Shorts" was replaced with the fashion style of "Khaki Shorts", which, stylistically are nothing more than Bermuda Shorts renamed. And has since been renamed "Khakis" and "Camo Khaki Shorts" has been shorthanded yet further to "Camos" or "Khakis", interchangeably. And that around here cut off jean shorts were commonly known as Bermudas and took on different meanings and styles, probably by the same linguistic evolution.

Except for the fact that this is totally wrong. Plaid Bermuda shorts would never be called Khakis nor Camos. Khakis can be long or short. I had never heard of Khaki Camos before your link to the Gap so I'll give you that one, but in my mind they are two totally different things... Khakis are tan, Camo is multi color with irregular shapes. Even if the Khakis are loose and down to the knee, if they have cargo pockets all over the place nobody (other than your group of influence) would ever call them Bermudas.

[descamisado]

Would this be a good time to ask devilsknew what they called the onion that hung off his belt?

[whole bean]

No, I'm saying that the original terminology, "Bermuda Shorts" was replaced with the fashion style of "Khaki Shorts", which, stylistically are nothing more than Bermuda Shorts renamed. And has since been renamed "Khakis" and "Camo Khaki Shorts" has been shorthanded yet further to "Camos" or "Khakis", interchangeably. And that around here cut off jean shorts were commonly known as Bermudas and took on different meanings and styles, probably by the same linguistic evolution.

Except for the fact that this is totally wrong. Plaid Bermuda shorts would never be called Khakis nor Camos. Khakis can be long or short. I had never heard of Khaki Camos before your link to the Gap so I'll give you that one, but in my mind they are two totally different things... Khakis are tan, Camo is multi color with irregular shapes. Even if the Khakis are loose and down to the knee, if they have cargo pockets all over the place nobody (other than your group of influence) would ever call them Bermudas.


the GAP uses "khaki" pretty liberally to refer to any cotton twill pant

[whole bean]

Would this be a good time to ask devilsknew what they called the onion that hung off his belt?

see posts 54, 59 and 60

[MovieMogul]

Would this be a good time to ask devilsknew what they called the onion that hung off his belt?And how many bees you can get for a quarter?

[tdn]

The thing I don't like about the Gap is that they don't sell neckties, which are sometimes refered to as "evening gowns" or "socks."

[devilsknew]

No, I'm saying that the original terminology, "Bermuda Shorts" was replaced with the fashion style of "Khaki Shorts", which, stylistically are nothing more than Bermuda Shorts renamed. And has since been renamed "Khakis" and "Camo Khaki Shorts" has been shorthanded yet further to "Camos" or "Khakis", interchangeably. And that around here cut off jean shorts were commonly known as Bermudas probably by the same linguistic evolution.

Wide left. Bermuda shorts are called khaki shorts when they are khaki in color. Blue or gray or white or pink bermuda shorts are not “khakis.” Bermuda shorts might be called camo if someone were to make bermuda shorts of camouflage material (the camo shorts that I’ve seen, both in this thread and in real life, are cargo shorts not bermuda shorts). I think the upshot is that today you are just as confused about what constitutes khakis, camos, cargos as you were thirty years ago when folks giggled behind your back because you called cut off jeans “bermudas.”
Which demonstrates my point exactly. Originally, Bermudas were only Khaki color... Bermudas were synonomyous with shortened dress Khakis. But fashion and popular usage and native coinage changed that. Bermudas could be many colors, prints, and styles depending on local language and fashion. And I have seen many styles of Camo Khaki shorts, with, and without cargo pockets, but the one unifying factor is that they are all bermuda cut.

[Morbo]

Everybody just calm down and have a soda. Or, as they were commonly called in the 70's, "bubbly pops."

[Spud]

Bermudas were only Khaki color

NO THEY WERE NOT... from your own Wiki cite:

The shorts were made from a very itchy grey flannel material

[whole bean]

And I have seen many styles of Camo Khaki shorts, with, and without cargo pockets, but the one unifying factor is that they are all bermuda cut.

Man, you fucking cited a page that demonstrates this to be false. Just in case you were too lazy to read your own cite, I quoted it in this very thread. Has it occured to you that you just might be so far off the reservation on this that you should just admit you dreamt it all?

[The Other Jeffrey Lebowski]

Nope... but I assure you that was a common colloquial usage.

Where were you residing at the time? I'd bet that there's someone on this board that is familiar with whatever town it was. Perhaps familiar enough with it to corroborate your assertion.

[Spud]

the one unifying factor is that they are all bermuda cut.

So, now are you admitting that Bermuda cut means just above the knee and not Daisy Dukes?

Or, have you seen DD's with cargo pockets, and/or cargo shorts that originated as blue jeans?

[tdn]

Everybody just calm down and have a soda. Or, as they were commonly called in the 70's, "bubbly pops."

They were never called that. They were called bermuda pops. But I didn't have many back then, because my mom would usually only let me drink bermuda milk. On some occasions, she'd let me have a bermuda beer, which was just another name for bermuda milk.

[pulykamell]

No, I'm saying that the original terminology, "Bermuda Shorts" was replaced with the fashion style of "Khaki Shorts", which, stylistically are nothing more than Bermuda Shorts renamed.

No. Not all bermuda shorts are khaki, and not all khaki shorts are bermudas. "Bermuda" refers to the cut. "Khaki" refers to the color or material. These bermudas (http://z.about.com/d/kidsfashion/1/0/9/E/Bermudas.jpg) are not khakis. These khaki shorts (http://www.shefinds.com/files/khaki-shorts.jpg) are not bermudas.

[descamisado]

Would this be a good time to ask devilsknew what they called the onion that hung off his belt?

see posts 54, 59 and 60No, I want his version. That oughta be good.

And everybody knows sodas were called Boston Pops.

devilsknew, could you just stop digging; subways tunnels in city in China are starting to collapse.

[samclem]

The term Bermuda Shorts actually goes back to at least 1940. The Wikipedia cites are mainly about Men's shorts, but women were wearing them before men. Florence Gainor was a sportswear buyer for Saks in 1938. She introduced quite a few fashion trends, including what became known as Bermuda Shorts in 1939. These were straight cuffed and reached to the knee. She also introduced a pair of shorts for women which looked like a skirt. Can you say "culottes, or skort?" And, her stuff wasn't just in khaki.

[devilsknew]

I'm not arguing that calling "Daisy Dukes", "Bermudas" makes sense or is even "right" or "correct" to fashion, it simply was, and even follows a very specific linguistic logic. I mean the question was, What were Daisy Dukes called before The Dukes of Hazard.?.. and I answered to my recollection... I mean, Is there supposed to be some correct answer? Because to me, my Family, and many friends, cut-off jean shorts were simply called "Bermudas". And just because something is outside of a majority of a particular group's experience, time, or dialectical survey doesn't mean that it didn't happen or wasn't so. I mean, was my neighbor wrong for calling them "cutoff dungarees" because by that time they were called "jeans" and not made of cheap Dongar Killa calico? Were we wrong for generically calling all Jean Shorts Bermudas?

Another interesting evolution:
Did you know that they call a "Sweater", a "Pulli" in Germany, which is short for the English fashion loanword, "Pullover"; and the same thing is also sometimes known as a "Jumper" in Britain. Although the term "Sweater" is so ingrained neurolinguistically in the US, that when you really think about it outside of a mundane noun, it is really a disgusting name for a piece of clothing... a article of clothing specifically named for its propensity to induce sweating? I guess I'm having an Opalcat Buckeye moment. I mean even in Germany they have the good sense to rename it something other than "Schwitzer".

[Clark K]

Devilsknew, how do you function upon leaving the house? Your use of words is so different from everyone else's that I fear for your safety.

You might see "yield" on a yellow sign at an intersection and take it to be synonymous with "corn" because when you were a child the farmers all talked about the yield from their cornfields and nowadays, of course, that has become universal, as evidenced by all the boxes of Orville Redenbacher Popyield at the local foodery sales-autorium.

[devilsknew]

Devilsknew, how do you function upon leaving the house? Your use of words is so different from everyone else's that I fear for your safety.

You might see "yield" on a yellow sign at an intersection and take it to be synonymous with "corn" because when you were a child the farmers all talked about the yield from their cornfields and nowadays, of course, that has become universal, as evidenced by all the boxes of Orville Redenbacher Popyield at the local foodery sales-autorium.
Trust me, I know all of the meanings of yield and its etymology. I just never will.

[devilsknew]

What's so unusual about our use of Bermudas some 33 years ago? I know many people that own MP3 players that are not made by Apple, yet they all seem to calle them "IPods". Should I fear for their linguistic capabilities?

[DiosaBellissima]

I don't know anyone with an MP3 that is not an iPod that they call an iPod-- they just say "mp3 player" or whatever it is. iPod is not like "Xerox" became back in the day (I realize people say Xerox to mean copy still, I just hear it less frequently than when I was a kid).

If my friend said they had an iPod, then whipped out some $20 little mp3 player, they'd- at best- get weird looks and- at worst- round mocking. Then again, in Bakersfield, we all just use tin cans, strings, and phonographs for our music. None of us can afford none of them fancy electronics, no suh.

[devilsknew]

Another interesting evolution:
Did you know that they call a "Sweater", a "Pulli" in Germany, which is short for the English fashion loanword, "Pullover"; and the same thing is also sometimes known as a "Jumper" in Britain. Although the term "Sweater" is so ingrained neurolinguistically in the US, that when you really think about it outside of a mundane noun, it is really a disgusting name for a piece of clothing... a article of clothing specifically named for its propensity to induce sweating? I guess I'm having an Opalcat Buckeye moment. I mean even in Germany they have the good sense to rename it something other than "Schwitzer".

And really, neurolinguistically, the N word simply means "black". Negre' is quintessentially a color word, but we have since supplanted that with culture and politics, unfortunately.

[Spectre of Pithecanthropus]

Bermuda Shorts. Pretty much any repurposed Denim Jean Cutoff Shorts regardless of length were just generically called "Bermudas".Must be one of those regional variations, like "soda" and "pop" and "coca-cola". All my life in California, bermudas never meant anything else than finished fabric shorts that hit just above the knee, and were designed like casual slacks.

[Gestalt]

And really, neurolinguistically, the N word simply means "black". Negre' is quintessentially a color word, but we have since supplanted that with culture and politics, unfortunately.

And "black" is simply "lack" with a "b" in front of it! Neurolinguistically, it's quite interesting, because it originally meant, "be lacking," using of course the dialect and referring to the general financial status of the the very people the modern term eventually came to refer to. Language evolves.

[devilsknew]

Language evolves.

No shit, Sherlock. And oftentimes for the misunderstood and worst.

[pulykamell]

What's so unusual about our use of Bermudas some 33 years ago?

Well, it appears to be an isolated case, and it's odd as it's such a complete bastardization of the term. Not that words don't get bastardized and evolve, it's just that, since you're asking why it's unusual, that's why. Nobody else other than your little circle, given the evidence thus far, has ever used the term bermudas to refer to Daisy Dukes. It's about as weird as calling a hamburger a hot dog. You neighbor with the "cutoff dungarees"--I see no problem there. Calling Daisy Dukes "cutoff dungarees" completely makes sense. They are basically cutoff dungarees. Nobody would quibble with that term. Calling them bermudas? That makes no sense, as bermudas are not cutoffs and not of short-short length.

I know many people that own MP3 players that are not made by Apple, yet they all seem to calle them "IPods". Should I fear for their linguistic capabilities?

That's also odd, at least in my dialect. iPod has not become genericized so far as I've noticed. Nobody would call their Zune (or whatever the iPod competitor is in this day and age) an iPod anymore than somebody would call their Blackberry an iPhone.

[devilsknew]

I know many people that own MP3 players that are not made by Apple, yet they all seem to calle them "IPods". Should I fear for their linguistic capabilities?

That's also odd, at least in my dialect. iPod has not become genericized so far as I've noticed. Nobody would call their Zune (or whatever the iPod competitor is in this day and age) an iPod anymore than somebody would call their Blackberry an iPhone.

Just put an "i" in front of it, it won't seem so unfamiliar. You mean to say, you are oblivious and immune from the operative corpfasc of Applecorp? That the Ipad exists is my cite. Either you are oblivious, deliberately obtuse, or ignorant... i shall decide which upon your reply.

[OpalCat]

I don't think I've heard people generically refer to individual non-Apple mp3 players as "ipods" before. I've heard people refer to "ipods" as a grouping, which may include other players (such as "turn off any cellphones, ipods, etc. when class starts") but in terms of someone whipping out a device and saying "hey, check out my ipod!" it's always either an actual ipod or they say "check out my mp3 player" or "check out my Zune" or whatever.

[pulykamell]

Just put an "i" in front of it, it won't seem so unfamiliar. You mean to say, you are oblivious and immune from the operative corpfasc of Applecorp? That the Ipad exists is my cite. Either you are oblivious, deliberately obtuse, or ignorant... i shall decide which upon your reply.

What are you talking about?

[carnut]

Just put an "i" in front of it, it won't seem so unfamiliar. You mean to say, you are oblivious and immune from the operative corpfasc of Applecorp? That the Ipad exists is my cite. Either you are oblivious, deliberately obtuse, or ignorant... i shall decide which upon your reply.

Huh? Why not just accept the idea that the people in devilsknew's socio- and economic-background use some words differently than you. Regionalisms that you haven't heard of happen. It's nothing to get your knickers in a twist about unless you've nothing else to do with your time. :rolleyes:

[pulykamell]

Huh? Why not just accept the idea that the people in devilsknew's socio- and economic-background use some words differently than you. Regionalisms that you haven't heard of happen. It's nothing to get your knickers in a twist about unless you've nothing else to do with your time. :rolleyes:

You're new to the Dope aren't you? ;) (And that's devilknew's quote, not mine.)

You're also stating the obvious. Yes, of course we (or at least most of us) know people from different backgrounds will use words differently, and the definition of "right" and "wrong" usage varies among them. This is just an odd linguistic curiosity (at least for me), and I'd like to know how widespread it is. It appears to be very isolated, perhaps limited in scope to a group of family and friends.

I answered his question of what was unusual about the usage of bermudas, which I treated as a sincere query. I explained to him why, to the 99+% of us who have not heard of the word bermudas to refer to Daisy Dukes, it seemed "so unusual" and why his neighbor's usage of "cutoff dungarees" was not.

[DiosaBellissima]

Just put an "i" in front of it, it won't seem so unfamiliar. You mean to say, you are oblivious and immune from the operative corpfasc of Applecorp? That the Ipad exists is my cite. Either you are oblivious, deliberately obtuse, or ignorant... i shall decide which upon your reply.

LOL what? :p

Real question: how old are you? I'm not trying to be rude, but you legitimately sound like my grandmother. See, that's the only person I've ever heard refer to all MP3 players as iPods. And while I've heard people jokingly put an "i" in front of something to mock Apple (this is my i8trackplayer- it's super new. I painted it white!), no one seriously says stuff like, "this is my iBlackberry!" Who. . . does that?

[Spud]

Just put an "i" in front of it, it won't seem so unfamiliar. You mean to say, you are oblivious and immune from the operative corpfasc of Applecorp? That the Ipad exists is my cite. Either you are oblivious, deliberately obtuse, or ignorant... i shall decide which upon your reply.

LOL what? :p

Real question: how old are you? I'm not trying to be rude, but you legitimately sound like my grandmother. See, that's the only person I've ever heard refer to all MP3 players as iPods. And while I've heard people jokingly put an "i" in front of something to mock Apple (this is my i8trackplayer- it's super new. I painted it white!), no one seriously says stuff like, "this is my iBlackberry!" Who. . . does that?

I believe the claim was you have a Blackberry... which is a Phone... so simply add and "i" and tadaa... you have an iPhone. He seems to think this is logical and normal.

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[DiosaBellissima]

LOL what? :p

Real question: how old are you? I'm not trying to be rude, but you legitimately sound like my grandmother. See, that's the only person I've ever heard refer to all MP3 players as iPods. And while I've heard people jokingly put an "i" in front of something to mock Apple (this is my i8trackplayer- it's super new. I painted it white!), no one seriously says stuff like, "this is my iBlackberry!" Who. . . does that?

I believe the claim was you have a Blackberry... which is a Phone... so simply add and "i" and tadaa... you have an iPhone. He seems to think this is logical and normal.

posted from my iDroid

Stop showing off :(.

posted from my iDell iVostro i2510

[Spud]

I believe the claim was you have a Blackberry... which is a Phone... so simply add and "i" and tadaa... you have an iPhone. He seems to think this is logical and normal.

posted from my iDroid

Stop showing off :(.

posted from my iDell iVostro i2510

Ouch... I've been out linguistically morphed!

Sorry, but I've got to go get a ham to boil tonight. By that I mean a steak to grill, but I'm sure I don't need to explain why this is perfectly common use of these generic terms.

[Pashnish Ewing]

Just to get back to the OP for a second...

I don't remember the shorts in question actually being called "Daisy Dukes" until the 2 Live Crew song came out. And I think the song came out after the show was off the air.

Can anyone back me up on this?

[Pashnish Ewing]

After a little Googling, I see that it wasn't 2Live Crew - it was 69 Boyz.

69 Boyz - Daisy Dukes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QQlHHYoN3w&has_verified=1)

[Pashnish Ewing]

Okay, so it was actually Duice, and the actual song title is "Dazzey Duks".

"Dazzey Duks" was the title of rap duo Duice's (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll) only charting single. But that's quite an accomplishment since the single sold two million copies. The sole hit single from Los Angeles native L.A. Sno and Creo-D., who hailed from Barbados, was inspired by the short shorts worn by the character Daisy Duke on the CBS-TV hit series The Dukes of Hazzard.And the last episode of Dukes of Hazzard aired in 1985.

I think in the time between 1985 and 1992, you were more likely to hear "She looks like Daisy Duke in those cut-offs" than "Look at her in those Daisy Dukes"

[tdn]

I don't think I've heard people generically refer to individual non-Apple mp3 players as "ipods" before.

I have. Well, sort of. I someone asks me if I have an iPod, I might just say yes, if the particular brand of my mp3 player is unimportant to the conversation and would otherwise derail it.

[devilsknew]

And really, neurolinguistically, the N word simply means "black". Negre' is quintessentially a color word, but we have since supplanted that with culture and politics, unfortunately.

And "black" is simply "lack" with a "b" in front of it! Neurolinguistically, it's quite interesting, because it originally meant, "be lacking," using of course the dialect and referring to the general financial status of the the very people the modern term eventually came to refer to. Language evolves.

Really, neurolinguistically, the word Black, or Blacken is more related to Burning or the Ink industry. The written word, Blarg und weiss. Kinda like pencil lead. All of which involves an incendiary process. We burning your base.