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Stoid
01-29-2001, 02:49 AM
Friedo's thread reminded me of this.

Guy I used to know, super-peaceful, never been in fight in his life. BIG guy, though, 6'7'. Comes upon some guy slashing the tires on his car. Says "Hey!" and the guy turns on him with a knife. My friend throws ONE punch, the ONLY punch he had ever thrown in his life...and kills the guy! Bam! You dead!

Turns out my friend was a lot stronger than he knew and he shattered the guy's jaw, and a piece of bone went into his brain and killed him pretty much instantly.

Weird! My friend was never charged with anything, but he was completely freaked out. He said he could never see himself raising his fists towards someone again. He was really torn up about it.

stoid

Bill H.
01-29-2001, 03:16 AM
Knew a few people who killed themselves and a few others who had abortions, but I suppose those don't count.

Speaker for the Dead
01-29-2001, 03:24 AM
Well, I know someone who used to pull the heads off grasshoppers... I'm kinda glad I don't know anyone that's killed a person, especially since I'm 14.

BornDodgy
01-29-2001, 04:18 AM
Only some suicides and a hell of a lot attempted suicides.

What a terrible story :( The poor guy.

dodgy

wayward
01-29-2001, 05:19 AM
A friend of my parents is a bus driver and he once hit and killed a drunk who walked out into the road in front of him.
He was never charged for anything but he's still feels guilty about it even after about 20 years.

Not sure of the details but a guy I used to go to school with is in prison for killing 2 elderly people. It's really weird thinking about that because the last time I spoke to him we were both about 10 years old and I don't remember him being much different from me. If whatever f***ed him up had happened to me, maybe I would have killed someone. Scary.

Typo Negative
01-29-2001, 06:01 AM
Kid I grew up with is serving a life sentence for murder during a robbery.

GuanoLad
01-29-2001, 06:29 AM
I once did Court Drawings for a case where this kid killed his whole family with a rifle one night. I didn't know him, but I had a ton of friends in Opera and Theatre who did. I saw his statement on the stand, too.

Ayesha
01-29-2001, 06:54 AM
Yep, a friend caught some wierded out man climbing into his daughters bedroom window one night. My friend had just gotten off work as an armed security guard. He hears the noise in his daughters room, and sees the guy coming in with a knife in his hand and a dollar bill stuck in his mouth. My friend shot him in the chest.

The guy went back out the window and stumbled around outside for a minute and died.

My firend faced no charges, no one ever figured out why the man had a dollar bill in hi mouth either.

wring
01-29-2001, 07:07 AM
Woman who did a hit and run on a jogger (she ultimately died when she plowed into the back end of a cement mixer).

Another woman who beat an old man over the head with a baseball bat (over a drug debt).

Another woman who stabbed a man over a pack of cigarettes

Three women who killed their abusive boyfriend/husbands.

Two men who killed their wives.

A man who killed his mother when he was 15

Another woman who let her boyfriend beat her toddler, then sat and watched as he bled to death internally (I knew the child).

Another woman, who, with a friend, shot and killed a police officer, then ran down the street, knocked on a door, shot and killed the woman who answered the door so they could steal her car.

Another woman who killed her two children by beating them to death.

Another few assorted vehicular homicides.

The above were all clients (some I knew before the event, others after)

People (other than clients) whom I have known who have killed:

Friend who committed suicide (almost killed his wife before he shot himself)

Ex brother in law who shot a deer - except it turned out to be a woman chopping down a Christmas tree.

Son of one client (I met him when he was 5), by the time he was 17 had beaten a man to death with a baseball bat over some food stamps.

Son of another client (I met him when he was 15), along with another friend, went to an apartment and shot the 3 adults who were there, killing 2. At that trial, I knew him, his mom, one of the victims, another of the co-conspirators (who got a hell of a plea bargain), the judge, the prosecutor, one of the defense attorneys and one juror.

plnnr
01-29-2001, 07:08 AM
Worked with a gentleman who had been a game warden for the Commonwealth of VA. He investigated a report of men spot-lighting deer and one of the men drew down on him. He said he didn't even give the man an opportunity to explain himself. Bang. You are now dead. Even though it was justified it shook him so bad that he took early retirement.

Annie-Xmas
01-29-2001, 07:18 AM
I knew a woman whose son killed himself, and a woman whose 3 year old son was killed by his father in a murder/suicide. One of those custody battle incidents that never happens to someone you know until it does.

Shadowfox
01-29-2001, 07:37 AM
wring....I was about to ask you where in the hell you grew up, until I saw your mention of "clients".

Anyhoo, my ex-brother-in-law killed a guy during a bar brawl. The details are kind of sketchy as to who actually started the fight. They fist-fighted for a minute, then the other guy pulled a knife and started slashing at my BIL. My ex-BIL broke a beer bottle and stabbed the guy with it. He ended up serving six years for manslaughter, although he was technically just defending himself because the other guy pulled a weapon first. But they had to take into account the fact that my ex-BIL had a history of mental illness and had assaulted a few people over the course of his lifetime. I have no idea what has become of him since. He hasn't been in contact with the family in a few years. He could be dead now for all we know.

I'm not sure if this counts, since I really didn't know the guy all that well, but a neighbor of my mother's killed his daughter's husband because the neighbor found out that his son-in-law was sexually abusing his own daughter (the neighbor's granddaughter). He was so outraged about it that he waited in the parking lot of his SIL's workplace and shot the guy dead as he was leaving work for the day. IMHO, the guy deserved to be shot for what he was doing to his kid, but the father-in-law is now serving life in prison for first-degree murder.

GSV Consolation of Dreams
01-29-2001, 07:48 AM
I once met one of the UK's last hangmen. An assistant to the famous Albert Pierrepoint. I was casting around for a link that would provide me with his name and was unsuccessful, but I did find this: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6142/

I don't remember his name but it was pretty strange to hear him talking about the tables they used to calculate drop length to guarantee neck breakage without ripping the head off. All this coming from a kindly looking old chap who you'd expect to see feeding pigeons in the park.

Johnny L.A.
01-29-2001, 07:53 AM
I didn't know him, but I met him. The cousin of a friend of mine shot a guy who was robbing his home. The cousin was sent to prison for manslaughter because this is California and it's generally illegal for anyone but criminals to kill people. [sarcasm]

Our old landlady's son shot a guy who was stealing his truck. I don't remember the specifics, but I don't thing he served any time.

FOAF: A FOAF was talking about killing himself. My friend told him that if he felt so strongly about it, and if there really is no hope of a better life, then he should go ahead and do it. He did.

Spritle
01-29-2001, 07:55 AM
::The former High School Teacher clears his throat::

all students:

one kid, upset over his grades, went home and blew mom, dad, two siblings away with shotgun. Called police.

'nuther kid and his friend rob Little Caesar's pizza where he (first kid) worked and shot two employees. Doing lots of time.

Yet another kid beat some dude near death with a tire iron. Currently doin' time.

couple of suicides and too many auto accidents to count, though they aren't in the spirit (NPI) of the OP.

BiblioCat
01-29-2001, 08:16 AM
When I was in high school, I briefly dated a guy who was kind of creepy. He just scared me. I don't know what it was, but something just wasn't right.
About four years later, he killed his entire family: mom, dad, a grandparent, two brothers, a sister and the sister's husband.
:(

bdgr
01-29-2001, 09:11 AM
Got a friend who stabbes someone to death in prison. He was a pretty small guy, and a much larger guy decided to try and have his way with him. My friend had a home made knife, and taught him the hard way that no means no.

More suicides then I care to remember.

Had several patients in the psych hospital that had killed, the most memorable one was a guy who was dying of AIDS. After he found out he had it, he went out and had unprotected sex with everyone he could find who was willing, with the purpose of inflicting it on everyone he could. He said he even went to the funerals of some of them who didn't make it as long as he did. Then he found God and the realization of what he had been doing hit home. He used to stay up nights crying about all the people he had killed, and all the pain he had put them and thier family's through.

GraceTX
01-29-2001, 09:32 AM
My aunt spent many years in prison for killing someone in a drug deal gone bad.

A guy I worked with killed his estranged wife and then himself.

An old friend of my family, shot and killed his neighbor for throwing trash over the fence and into his yard. A few years after he got out of prison, he killed himself.

fierra
01-29-2001, 10:07 AM
A school friend was staying away with relatives one weekend...while he was gone, his father killed his mother, trashed the home & then tied himself up to make it look like a burglar had done it...

pldennison
01-29-2001, 10:14 AM
Someone I knew from attending many Episcopal Youth events together, and who coincidentally turned out to be the boyfriend of the best friend of the woman I married, is in jail for life for shotgunning his parents to death in their bed.

vanilla
01-29-2001, 10:19 AM
My former brother in law was sentenced to 15 to life for murder in 1991.

The Devil's Grandmother
01-29-2001, 11:33 AM
A friend of my parents (I think they were in the same bowling league or maybe his sons were in the same boy-scout troop as my brother, I donít remember) killed his wife with a hammer in a moment of rage. He immediately ran to the neighbors and they called the police. He didnít do much time, IIRC. She died when I was nine and he was staying with us after his prison term when I was about 12. So he served maybe three years, tops. My mom said, many years later, that she drove him to it with her nagging and embarrassing him in public. Oddly, that fact and that my mother seemed to really believe it, weirds me out more than the initial murder. Heís lead a subdued life ever since. I donít think heís ever recovered from finding out what he could do.
I know a cop who had to kill someone, but that was ďin the line of dutyĒ, so I guess that counts as war for the purposes of the OP.

pestie
01-29-2001, 12:36 PM
I knew a guy (although I didn't know him all that well) who was a local DJ as well as a friend of a friend. We'd met a few times and he even arranged to get concert tickets for me and my friend at one point. A few years after I'd lost touch with him, he stalked his ex-girlfriend for days, maybe weeks, and finally murdered her. Apparently she'd been calling the police about the stalking but they couldn't do anything because he wasn't technically doing anything illegal. This incident resulting in some new anti-stalking laws being passed.

Morrison's Lament
01-29-2001, 01:29 PM
I've met an infamous, albeit not proven, murderer a few times. We had a common friend that we met through,

He did some time years back for a publicized murder case in which the victims were never found and he claimed they beat the confession out of him. I never asked him about the case of course, it really screwed up his life and I was a little freaked out about it. A friend of his told me an unbelievably funny story though.

The details of his case had been all over the media after the investigation and when he got out everyone knew that he was believed to have killed his victims and taken them to a certain part of the wilderness and buried them there. No one knew exactly where, just that it was out in the sticks, but not far out of town. It was too big an area to search, but they convicted him anyway. Anyhoo, this is just background detail for non-locals.

A couple of years after he got out of jail for being a nice guy, he calls up a good friend of his and suggests they go for a drive in his jeep. The friend says sure, why not, but should he take a tent? No. No tent he says.

So the dude (who is a good friend of mine by the way) shows up with his jeep and picks up the accused murderer. He immediately notices that he doesn't have anything with him except warm clothes... AND A SHOVEL! He asks him about it and the answer is something along the lines of "Oh, you never know when you wanna do some digging. I just looooove digging." In other words, my friend pissed himself. But he couldn't really bring himself to believe that his friend was guilty of the crimes, much less that he would want him dead. So he drove on, up to the wilderness mentioned before.

There they get out and walk for a while, my friend all the while trying not to think the obvious. Finally the guy just flips and starts digging and laughing his ass off. After a few minutes of this he suggests they walk back to the car and drive home. And get this...

The incident was never mentioned between them again!

Creepy, deepy, if you ask me. But having met the guy, I know he has a very weird sense of humor and was probably just checking to see if his friend really trusted him or not.

--- G. Raven

Rasa
01-29-2001, 01:58 PM
When I was in 3rd grade, a kid transferred in to our school from out of state. A lot of the other kids were really cold and mean to "the new kid", but I remembered my mom always telling me to be kind to others, etc etc so I befriended him. We stayed friends through school; he kinda got into drugs but nothing heavy. His family moved to get out of the bad area they were living in when we were in high school, and I didn't see him again until he was on the news for killing his friend's girlfriend, who was pregnant, for $100 and a trip to New York.

I saw this on the news and it broke my heart--he had tried so hard to "rise above" and not get dragged into this kind of life, yet he failed. The eyes on the man I saw on tv were not the eyes of my friend.

Max Torque
01-29-2001, 02:08 PM
I've snipped the beginning of the following story for brevity. It was originally published in The Santa Fe New Mexican on April 25, 1995, authored by Steve Terrell. Rod Hasson, the fella named in the story, was an usher in my brother's wedding.

Er, this is a fairly graphic "true crime" type story, so some folks might find it upsetting and perhaps shouldn't read it.

According to several affidavits written by police Detective Gary Johnson, [Keith] Castellano's story is as follows:

Castellano, [Cris] Smythe, [Rod] Hasson and [Jeff] Gallegos got together on March 7, 1992, and went in Castellano's car to The Bull Ring. Castellano had just turned 20 three days earlier. The others were 19.

At the bar they met [Arietta] Chandler, 34, and her friend. Both Hasson and Gallegos danced with Chandler at the bar.

(Her friend has said that she quickly got bored with the younger men, although Chandler seemed to enjoy their company. She eventually left Chandler alone at the bar with them.)

Chandler left with the four about 2 a.m. She asked them if they wanted to go to her house and party.

She also asked if they had any cocaine. Hasson and Gallegos only had about $10 between them. Chandler had them drive to Sunwest Bank, where she withdrew $40 from an automatic teller machine.

From there, they drove to a home on Santa Fe's south side, where Castellano and Hasson went to buy some cocaine.

From there they went to a vacant lot somewhere in Santa Fe. (Police have said somewhere south of Rodeo Road.) Hasson, Gallegos and Chandler wanted to do the cocaine in the car. Castellano and Smythe got out of the car.

A short time later, Hasson, Gallegos and Chandler got out of the car and walked a short distance to a clump of trees. There they stayed for a short time. A few minutes later, Hasson walked over to Castellano and Smythe.

Hasson told the two they all were going to ``do her.'' Castellano said he assumed this meant to rape Chandler. He and Smythe protested that they did not want to do this.

Castellano said Hasson ``escorted'' him to the area where Gallegos and was with Chandler. Hasson said that at the count of three ``they were all going to jump her, beat her and kick her, then `do' her.'' Castellano again said he wanted no part of it.

Hasson yelled ``Three!'' He and Gallegos jumped on Chandler, knocking her to the ground. Hasson pulled Castellano down, too.

Castellano and Smythe started to leave the area. Hasson stopped them and took Castellano's car keys away from him.

At this time, according to the affidavit, Gallegos was having sex with Chandler as Hasson watched, masturbating.

Chandler asked the men not to hurt her. One of the men told her, ``Shut up, bitch.''

Hasson and Gallegos brought Chandler over to the car, where they both raped her as she leaned against the car.

At this point, Chandler asked Castellano to protect her, saying she would give him anything he wanted. But the conversation was cut short by Hasson, who demanded to know what the two were talking about.

Either Hasson or Gallegos had gotten a 44-ounce bottle of malt liquor from the back of Castellano's car. Gallegos told Castellano to throw the bottle at Chandler. He refused. Gallegos gave the bottle to Smythe, who threw it at Chandler's head. She grabbed her head and looked stunned, but did not fall down. First Hasson, then Gallegos began beating Chandler's head with rocks.

Hasson ordered Castellano to hit Chandler on the head with the rock he had.

Castellano took the rock and went to where Chandler was now lying. He dropped the rock on her head.

Smythe did the same thing. Hasson became angry with the two. He walked up to Chandler and began stomping her head into the ground.

Hasson and Gallegos put her in the back of the car where they beat her again with rocks. Hasson again ordered Smythe and Castellano to hit her with rocks. Again they dropped rocks on her.

The four drove her to a spot near mile post 267 on U.S. 285, where they put her body first over a barbed wire fence, then in a shallow grave

In a later interview, Detective Johnson said the men tried unsuccessfully to burn Chandler's body.

The next night, the affidavit says, the four returned in Gallegos' vehicle to bury her in a deeper grave and remove her clothes. Castellano was told to drive the vehicle up and down the road so an empty vehicle would not draw attention to the men.

When he picked up the others, they were carrying a garbage bag. When he touched it, he got blood on his hand.

Earlier this month a forensic anthropologist who went with police to the grave site said fractures on Chandler's were consistent with injuries described by Castellano.

Rod pled guilty to second degree murder and miscellaneous other felonies, and was sentenced to 30 years imprisonment. My brother visits him occasionally. Sure makes looking at those wedding videos a semi-surreal experience....

Zyada
01-29-2001, 04:14 PM
I had a major crush on this guy in High School. We had a couple of classes together, Latin and a Honors English/History combo.

When I was in college, I found an article in the newspaper explaining that he and his best friend had murdered his best friend's father.

Then after I graduated and was working I met him again, and actually dated him for about a year. Kind of strange to think about it now, but he had turned himself in because he felt so guilty about it. Besides, I had a major crush on him, 'k?

Tristan
01-29-2001, 06:34 PM
one of my closest friends once gave someone some drugs to commit a homocide... the killer got the wrong guy. Pretty sad. No one did any time, no one was caught.

I once set myself up to commit a murder 1, and the only thing that changed my mind was the thought that the person I was going to do this for might not appreciate it.... so I left the scene. Pretty odd, looking back on it. I was all set, rifle, scope, the whole nine yards, and I can honestly say that I would have done it, no sweat.


Sometimes I scare myself.

oldscratch
01-30-2001, 01:53 AM
Far too many.

Testy
01-30-2001, 03:54 AM
muderer. I had him over to my house several times for a beer and whatnot. A very nice guy who drove to his aunt's house and shot 6 people, killing 5 of them. The thing I never got over was how normal he seemed. He was caught within about 12 hours and I never saw him again.

Regards.

Testy.

Doobieous
01-30-2001, 06:12 AM
In high school about the end of my sophomore and beginning of my junior year, a close friend (at that time) whom I had known since freshman year started going out with this one guy. He had grown up in one of the rougher but not so rough areas of the city my high school was in. Pretty soon he was in the local gang. It wasnt until she and he were fairly "serious" that I met him one day when me, her, and a couple of other friends were selling candy bars to fundraise. I didnt like him at all when i met him (he didnt fuck with me, but it just didnt feel right being around him. There was this vibe about him). I hadn't heard much except he was kind of a hoodlum, but i had never heard he was violent at all. I did know his sister and had her in classes, and she seemed nice.

A couple of years later after HS i read on the news that he and another one of his gang buddies (who was basically a psycho, and previously sent to some kind of corrections camp in Utah), had driven out to Monterey one night, and shot one lady at the pier, and then in the nearby town of Seaside, shot a mother who was waiting for a bus at the bus stop by herself. This guy is now sentenced to death for the two shootings.

Rumor also had it that he pulled a knife on my friend (his former girl friend), who was with their child and apparently threatened to knife her or the kid if she didnt give him the welfare check (it wouldnt surprise me if this is true). Unfortunately after her tryst with him she dropped out, and lost contact with those of us who knew her.

Oblong
01-30-2001, 07:29 AM
Ok, this is embarassing but I'll tell it anyway. I have some family members who are "Springer-esque". They live in the South. Here's what happened. Names are changed to protect ME!

Joey is the son of Red. Joey divorced his wife Becky and married Lola. Joe and Lola split up shortly thereafter and Joey got back with Becky, but never divorced Lola. Lola ended up with Red for about 8 years. One day, Lola turns up missing. The local authorities confront Red about it and he digs her up out of his tobacco field. She was shot and knifed. Red says he didn't do it but won't say how she ended up in his field and how he knew she was there. So the family believes either Red did it, or is covering up for Joey who did it.


So Red killed his girlfriend, who was also his daughter in law. We shudder to think what would have happened if Red and Lola had any children since Joey had a child with Lola already. The kids would be brother/sister and nephew or nice/aunt or uncle.

So I have 1 of 2 family members who killed someone. We just don't know which one.

Fiver
02-02-2001, 12:26 PM
xtal:A friend of my parents killed his wife with a hammer in a moment of rage. He immediately ran to the neighbors and they called the police.
This may be a trivial point to raise, but this is MPSIMS so what the heck:

Why did he run to the neighbors? Did he also smash his telephone with the hammer?