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Cisco
10-11-2010, 01:09 AM
You know how I know that these scumfuckers are socially conservative? Because no one - NO ONE - here will be surprised to learn that one of their champions has made some pretty strong anti-gay remarks:

The Republican candidate for governor of New York State has told Orthodox Jewish leaders that there is "nothing to be proud of in being a "dysfunctional homosexual". (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5ik12rgZHN4D7kOKsNENFSvP2dQjw?docId=N0199171286773672630A)
Carl Paladino, who has received strong support from conservative-libertarian tea party activists, made the comments at a synagogue while trying to strike a contrast between himself and his Democratic rival, state attorney general Andrew Cuomo.

"That's not how God created us," Mr Paladino said of being gay, "and that's not the example that we should be showing our children".

He added that children who later in life choose to marry people of the opposite sex and raise families would be "much better off and much more successful".

"I don't want them to be brainwashed into thinking that homosexuality is an equally valid and successful option," he said.


I am so sick of these shitheads acting like all they're about is "freedom" and the accountability of government. They don't know what freedom is. They didn't give two tugs of a dead dog's cock about accountability when a white man was in office.

You know what's worse than a hateful, racist, mean-spirited group of people? One that lies about it. Fuck every single person who supports the American Taliban Tea Party for the bunch of low-life, evil, weaselly, scared pussies that they are. I hope they get swept into office and make a complete and utter bumblefuck out it. It's one thing to whip up a bunch of slack-jawed hillbillies during campaign season. Let's see how hilariously poorly they perform when they have an actual job to perform, and no idea how to do it.

Fucking morons.

Starving Artist
10-11-2010, 01:19 AM
How come every Tea Partier who makes an offensive remark gets labeled a "champion" or "hero" of the Tea Party around here? The Tea Party is made up of millions of people with a wide range of opinions, beliefs, backgrounds, education and income levels. But let one person at a Tea Party rally or one candidate say something offensive, or foolish, or hold up a wrongly worded sign, and immediately they become the personification of the Tea Party.

Why is that, I facetiously wonder?

Blank Slate
10-11-2010, 01:22 AM
Yeah, well I wonder where these "principled patriots" were when Bush was out-spending any administration in American history. Lying cocksuckers.

Bravo, OP.

Cisco
10-11-2010, 01:29 AM
How come every Tea Partier who makes an offensive remark gets labeled a "champion" or "hero" of the Tea Party around here? Why is that, I facetiously wonder?
Because I'm pissed. In the American sense.


Edit:

The Tea Party is made up of millions of people with a wide range of opinions, beliefs, backgrounds, education and income levels. But let one person at a Tea Party rally or one candidate say something offensive, or foolish, or hold up a wrongly worded sign, and immediately they become the personification of the Tea Party.
You know what? You lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas. Fucking deal with it.

Knorf
10-11-2010, 01:36 AM
How come every Tea Partier who makes an offensive remark gets labeled a "champion" or "hero" of the Tea Party around here? The Tea Party is made up of millions of people with a wide range of opinions, beliefs, backgrounds, education and income levels. But let one person at a Tea Party rally or one candidate say something offensive, or foolish, or hold up a wrongly worded sign, and immediately they become the personification of the Tea Party.

Why is that, I facetiously wonder?

Starving Artist's notion of "one person" is hilarious.

Starving Artist
10-11-2010, 01:39 AM
You know what? You lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas. Fucking deal with it. Perhaps we should define the term "Fighting ignorance". Apparently it does not mean what I think that it means.

Trepa Mayfield
10-11-2010, 01:40 AM
How come every Tea Partier who makes an offensive remark gets labeled a "champion" or "hero" of the Tea Party around here? The Tea Party is made up of millions of people with a wide range of opinions, beliefs, backgrounds, education and income levels. But let one person at a Tea Party rally or one candidate say something offensive, or foolish, or hold up a wrongly worded sign, and immediately they become the personification of the Tea Party.

Why is that, I facetiously wonder?

If we go by the Republican standard of association, he's one of yours until everyone else denounces him. So go on. Denounce him. Get all the other Tea Partiers to denounce him. Good luck.

Robot Arm
10-11-2010, 01:52 AM
How come every Tea Partier who makes an offensive remark gets labeled a "champion" or "hero" of the Tea Party around here? The Tea Party is made up of millions of people with a wide range of opinions, beliefs, backgrounds, education and income levels. But let one person at a Tea Party rally or one candidate say something offensive, or foolish, or hold up a wrongly worded sign, and immediately they become the personification of the Tea Party.This is not "one person at a Tea Party rally", okay. This is...

...the winner of the Republican primary for governor of New York.

Who else has the Tea Party run for an office that's comparable to this? They've got a few Senate candidates, and a few others running for governor. New York is the third most populous state in the Union. Name anybody that the Tea Party has put forward for an office as important as this.

This is not some guy with a wrongly worded sign, he's running for the highest executive office of any Tea Partier.

Under the circumstances, it's fair to call him a standard bearer for the movement.

Starving Artist
10-11-2010, 01:58 AM
Under the circumstances, it's fair to call him a standard bearer for the movement.No it isn't. Not unless it's also fair to call Jerry Brown or Andrew Cuomo the standard bearers for the Democratic party.

elucidator
10-11-2010, 02:08 AM
I thought it was Dick Armey. He's the one who told me that the Tea Party is fervently and ferociously concerned with the whole net neutrality thing. And apparently, they are deeply commited to the well-being of Comcast and Verizon! Who'd a thunk it? I mean, I look at a Tea Party crowd, and internet geeks is definitely not the first thought crossing my mind. And I'm really surprised to see a cable company so popular.

But hey! Dick Armey says so, and he's the leader of the Tea Party Express.

Robot Arm
10-11-2010, 02:10 AM
No it isn't. Not unless it's also fair to call Jerry Brown or Andrew Cuomo the standard bearers for the Democratic party.As winners of their gubernatorial primaries, sure, why not. I don't expect all Democrats to agree with everything they say, but they're certainly more than just some guy with a sign.


(Although I should also point out that the Democrats have run people for offices even higher than that. A few times, I think.)

elucidator
10-11-2010, 02:17 AM
Well, sure, but not "standard bearer". "Mr. President", maybe...

Miller
10-11-2010, 02:20 AM
So, we can't judge the Tea Party by what its members say. And we can't judge the Tea Party by what its elected representatives say. So, what standard can we use to evaluate the Tea Party as a whole?

Steampunk Willie
10-11-2010, 02:27 AM
How come every Tea Partier who makes an offensive remark gets labeled a "champion" or "hero" of the Tea Party around here? The Tea Party is made up of millions of people with a wide range of opinions, beliefs, backgrounds, education and income levels. But let one person at a Tea Party rally or one candidate say something offensive, or foolish, or hold up a wrongly worded sign, and immediately they become the personification of the Tea Party. (Bolding Mine) Is that what we are going to call the signs with Nigger and Obama-hitler on them?

So basically what you are saying is that everyone in the tea party comes from different walks of life and have different opinions, and that there are no real leaders even the self-proclaimed or the candidates supported by the Tea Party? If that's the case what holds them together? What makes them a group? Hating Obama? Hmm. :dubious:

Starving Artist
10-11-2010, 02:44 AM
So, we can't judge the Tea Party by what its members say. And we can't judge the Tea Party by what its elected representatives say. So, what standard can we use to evaluate the Tea Party as a whole? To be honest, I don't know that there is one right now. :D

I think we'll just have to wait until it coalesces around some identifiable leader or leaders. Right now it's just a large group of people pissed off at the direction the country has been headed and the way it's been run. And not just during Obama's tenure, but for quite a long while.

If that's the case what holds them together? What makes them a group? See above.

Hating Obama? Not in my opinion, although plenty disapprove quite a lot of what he and congress have done over the last two years. But like I said to Miller, I think a lot of it goes back a long way.

Miller
10-11-2010, 02:49 AM
To be honest, I don't know that there is one right now. :D

I think we'll just have to wait until it coalesces around some identifiable leader or leaders. Right now it's just a large group of people pissed off at the direction the country has been headed and the way it's been run. And not just during Obama's tenure, but for quite a long while.

If an elected candidate for office running as a member of the party doesn't qualify as an identifiable leader, then what does qualify?

Starving Artist
10-11-2010, 02:59 AM
Well, technically he's a member of the Republican party. And as such I suppose he'd be regarded like any other Republican or Democratic party gubernatorial candidate, and I don't recall any gubernatorial candidate of either party having previously been referred to as a national party leader. So I suppose the answer to your question is that he should be referred to simply as a Republican gubernatorial candidate. He's certainly fair game for the comments he makes, but I don't think it's either fair or accurate to attempt to define the millions of Tea Partiers all around the country by them.

Robot Arm
10-11-2010, 03:12 AM
Well, technically he's a member of the Republican party. And as such I suppose he'd be regarded like any other Republican or Democratic party gubernatorial candidate, and I don't recall any gubernatorial candidate of either party having previously been referred to as a national party leader. So I suppose the answer to your question is that he should be referred to simply as a Republican gubernatorial candidate. He's certainly fair game for the comments he makes, but I don't think it's either fair or accurate to attempt to define the millions of Tea Partiers all around the country by them.How very convenient for them. Members of the Tea Party can hold rallies, gather signatures, contribute money, vote for a candidate, and then throw up their hands and deny any responsibility for what happens next.

The Second Stone
10-11-2010, 03:28 AM
The whole point of the teabagger movement is to avoid the responsibility of the Republican Party for badly screwing up the country from 2001 to 2009. The GOP is a traditional party with elected leaders and a written platform and members who have taken action. The teabaggers are rebranded Republicans who want to avoid accountability for their historic screw ups.

Fear Itself
10-11-2010, 06:59 AM
You know what? You lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas. Fucking deal with it. Perhaps we should define the term "Fighting ignorance". Apparently it does not mean what I think that it means.I don't think anything means what you think it means.

The Great Sun Jester
10-11-2010, 07:18 AM
To be honest, I don't know that there is one right now. :D
** smashes SA's simley teeth out with a milk bottle **

Shut the fuck up! Sophists like you are a fucking disgrace to any kind of reasoned discourse and do absolutely NOTHING but spew venom and discord. How dare you profane "honest" but mixing the word into anything you say?

I'm about as tolerant as anyone can be of any political viewpoint. I have no problem getting outside of my own beliefs to at least try and understand where people are coming from even when their baseline ideas are opposite my own. But at some point there is no more denying that someone's views are not simply different, they're intentionally inflammatory. People like you--haters, racists, 'phobes, thieves--you abuse the human gift of speech and so don't deserve to retain the ability to use it.

> over the top invective deleted <

I hope you choke on something, and the sooner the better.

MTCicero
10-11-2010, 07:29 AM
How come every Tea Partier who makes an offensive remark gets labeled a "champion" or "hero" of the Tea Party around here? The Tea Party is made up of millions of people with a wide range of opinions, beliefs, backgrounds, education and income levels. But let one person at a Tea Party rally or one candidate say something offensive, or foolish, or hold up a wrongly worded sign, and immediately they become the personification of the Tea Party.

Why is that, I facetiously wonder?

So, you don't agree with what Paladino said?

MTCicero
10-11-2010, 07:36 AM
Not in my opinion, although plenty disapprove quite a lot of what he and congress have done over the last two years. But like I said to Miller, I think a lot of it goes back a long way.

This begs the question: Why, then, did it take a black man being elected president for them to get organized and start marching in the streets, as it were?

silenus
10-11-2010, 07:42 AM
How come every Tea Partier who makes an offensive remark gets labeled a "champion" or "hero" of the Tea Party around here? The Tea Party is made up of millions of people with a wide range of opinions, beliefs, backgrounds, education and income levels. But let one person at a Tea Party rally or one candidate say something offensive, or foolish, or hold up a wrongly worded sign, and immediately they become the personification of the Tea Party.

Why is that, I facetiously wonder?

Starving Artist's notion of "one person" is hilarious.

I find his notion of "millions of people" even funnier.

Hentor the Barbarian
10-11-2010, 08:11 AM
The perennial problem for the poor conservatives. Constantly, the rest of society is prevented from seeing them clearly because all these thousands of rogue individuals keep stepping in front of them and misrepresenting conservatism.

Why is it, I wonder, that it is so hard for conservatives to represent themselves accurately so as to prevent all these pretenders from misleading people about who they are and what they stand for? Years and years this problem persists! It's terribly unfortunate.

Enderw24
10-11-2010, 08:27 AM
So, we can't judge the Tea Party by what its members say. And we can't judge the Tea Party by what its elected representatives say. So, what standard can we use to evaluate the Tea Party as a whole? To be honest, I don't know that there is one right now. :D

I think we'll just have to wait until it coalesces around some identifiable leader or leaders. Right now it's just a large group of people pissed off at the direction the country has been headed and the way it's been run.

So let me see if I can sum up your side of the argument.

The Tea Party is made up of millions of people with a million different ideas on what's wrong with this country. For, it can't be a few people with a few simple ideas because then there would be leaders of the Tea Party and that hasn't happened.
So these millions of people with millions of ideas are going to be better at leading this country to change, even though there aren't any leaders. For if there were leaders, we'd know what the Tea Party stands for.

And it's unfair to attack the candidates running under the Tea Party subsection of the Republican Party because they're not the true leaders. Or if they are leaders, then they don't represent everyone because the Tea Party has a big enough tent to hold everyone with hate in their heart about America even if those people don't quite know what they're angry about until its leaders show up and tell them.
Which hasn't yet happened so don't judge THESE Tea Partiers because they're not representing everyone so it's unfair to judge.

How close am I getting? Personally I think I'm dead on the money and yet not even close simultaneously. And I'm OK with that.

SteveG1
10-11-2010, 08:30 AM
How come every Tea Partier who makes an offensive remark gets labeled a "champion" or "hero" of the Tea Party around here? The Tea Party is made up of millions of people with a wide range of opinions, beliefs, backgrounds, education and income levels. But let one person at a Tea Party rally or one candidate say something offensive, or foolish, or hold up a wrongly worded sign, and immediately they become the personification of the Tea Party.

Why is that, I facetiously wonder?

The Tea Party is made up of ignorant, reactionary, selfish, short sighted assholes. They don't give a damn about anyone but themselves.

Give me my social security, my medicare and my unemployment (my fucking government handouts) but don't give shit to anyone else, and keep government out of my business (except to give me more fucking handouts).

I don't want any new taxes or any taxes at all but government has to take care of my lazy stupid worthless ass (I supposed by taxing someone ELSE)

I want MY government health care but I want government out of the halth care business (take care of me, but let anyone else die)

Government is there to do what I say because it's supposed to represent me, but if it looks like it might not do exactly what I want (and to hell with anyone else) I want the "Second Amendment Remedy" or whatever those assholes call it.

I want freedom for me, to do whatever I want, but none for anyone else. I want religious freedom, and the rest are free to obey whatever bulshit I falsely want to tack onto my religion. God says they all suck anyway.

I used to say anyone who slammed Bush was a traitor, but I talk incessantly about how Obama is a Muslim traitor Commie monley (ni**er) and that's OK.

I walk into Obama "town halls" with a gun, and then have the gall to say I'm not being threatening (but I bet if anyone with a different view showd up, Tea Baggers would shit themselves).

It' all about me. Fuck everyone else. I'm mad about everything, even when I don't even know what it is.



The Tea Party is the lunatic fringe, the people who are ignorant and proud of it. To hell with them. At the very least, they are damn hypocrites.

Vinyl Turnip
10-11-2010, 08:33 AM
The Tea Party is made up of millions of people with a wide range of opinions, beliefs, backgrounds, education and income levels.

Some of whom are positive that Obama's a secret Muslim Kenyan reverse-racist pinko socialist antichrist and terrorist's best friend, while others are merely pretty sure, I mean, I don't get around to listening to Hannity every day, but where's there's that much smoke, surely there's gotta be fire...

SteveG1
10-11-2010, 08:36 AM
Not in my opinion, although plenty disapprove quite a lot of what he and congress have done over the last two years. But like I said to Miller, I think a lot of it goes back a long way.

This begs the question: Why, then, did it take a black man being elected president for them to get organized and start marching in the streets, as it were?

The Razor...

The simplest answer is the best one. Obama was a Democrat, a moderate, and a ni**er.

I used the N word for a reason. It's so fucking obvious. Fuck the Tea Party.

John Mace
10-11-2010, 08:51 AM
I haven't seen the polls, but I'd be surprised if the "socially libertarian" branch of the Tea Party crew amounted to more than a small minority. Is there any "Tea Party backed candidate" who isn't socially conservative? Rand Paul is supposed to be the poster boy for this group, and doesn't strike me as particularly libertarian in his social views. Maybe he's for legalizing drugs, but hes pro-life and anti-SSM.

Jack Batty
10-11-2010, 08:53 AM
The Tea Party is made up of millions of people with a wide range of opinions, beliefs ...

It's just complete coincidence that most of of them are Conservative Christians (http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/05/most-tea-partiers-call-america-a-christian-nation-study-finds/?iref=allsearch), who no doubt welcome the various other wide ranging opinions and beliefs within their little party ... as Conservative Christians are wont to do, of course.

RickJay
10-11-2010, 09:36 AM
How come every Tea Partier who makes an offensive remark gets labeled a "champion" or "hero" of the Tea Party around here? The Tea Party is made up of millions of people with a wide range of opinions, beliefs, backgrounds, education and income levels. But let one person at a Tea Party rally or one candidate say something offensive, or foolish, or hold up a wrongly worded sign, and immediately they become the personification of the Tea Party. (Bolding Mine) Is that what we are going to call the signs with Nigger and Obama-hitler on them?
Got a link to a Tea Party demonstration with a sign saying "Nigger"? I mean, that'd be the hottest picture on the Internet; I'd love to have access to it.

ETA: I found one, although the guy... er, misspelled the word. Dear me.

akennett
10-11-2010, 09:39 AM
I used the N word for a reason.

No, you didn't. You cowardly avoided using it on multiple occasions.

Paul in Qatar
10-11-2010, 10:24 AM
Hey, he is in the construction business. That makes it alright.

SteveG1
10-11-2010, 10:28 AM
I used the N word for a reason.

No, you didn't. You cowardly avoided using it on multiple occasions.

If it bothers you so much I can spell it out, Unlike that TeaBag motherfucker, I will spell it correctly.

Clothahump
10-11-2010, 10:43 AM
Is that what we are going to call the signs with Nigger and Obama-hitler on them?


Those you can ignore because more than likely, they are being held up by someone trying to besmirch the Tea Party movement. They know the media will show those signs; it's like a Pavlovian reaction and they position for good camera exposure.

Fear Itself
10-11-2010, 10:45 AM
Is that what we are going to call the signs with Nigger and Obama-hitler on them?


Those you can ignore because more than likely, they are being held up by someone trying to besmirch the Tea Party movement. More than likely? Based on what?

Lobohan
10-11-2010, 10:45 AM
Is that what we are going to call the signs with Nigger and Obama-hitler on them?


Those you can ignore because more than likely, they are being held up by someone trying to besmirch the Tea Party movement. They know the media will show those signs; it's like a Pavlovian reaction and they position for good camera exposure.Are you admitting that you aren't actually conservative?

Bosstone
10-11-2010, 10:58 AM
Is that what we are going to call the signs with Nigger and Obama-hitler on them?


Those you can ignore because more than likely, they are being held up by someone trying to besmirch the Tea Party movement. They know the media will show those signs; it's like a Pavlovian reaction and they position for good camera exposure.You're such an adorably shameless bullshitter. Sometimes I think you must also be a plant designed to make conservatives look bad.

gonzomax
10-11-2010, 11:00 AM
Is that what we are going to call the signs with Nigger and Obama-hitler on them?


Those you can ignore because more than likely, they are being held up by someone trying to besmirch the Tea Party movement. They know the media will show those signs; it's like a Pavlovian reaction and they position for good camera exposure.

Sure , some lefty would make up such a sign and walk in the middle of a tea bagger rally. Now, pull the other one.
Live with it, those are your peeps.

SteveG1
10-11-2010, 11:01 AM
Is that what we are going to call the signs with Nigger and Obama-hitler on them?


Those you can ignore because more than likely, they are being held up by someone trying to besmirch the Tea Party movement. They know the media will show those signs; it's like a Pavlovian reaction and they position for good camera exposure.

There are not enough rolleyes to cover that.

silenus
10-11-2010, 11:02 AM
Those you can ignore because more than likely, they are being held up by someone trying to besmirch the Tea Party movement. More than likely? Based on what?

Blind faith and wishful thinking. If the signs were out of line with the "mainstream" (more like a trickle) of TeaBagger "thought," the signholders would have been shouted down, harrassed and beaten. But there they are, untouched and unmussed.

SteveG1
10-11-2010, 11:05 AM
More than likely? Based on what?

Blind faith and wishful thinking. If the signs were out of line with the "mainstream" (more like a trickle) of TeaBagger "thought," the signholders would have been shouted down, harrassed and beaten. But there they are, untouched and unmussed.

Yup, All of us Commie libruls are out there with "Nigger" signs, looking for a Tea Bagger circlejerk to besmirch. That's what we do all day. We drive around with our "Nigger" signs looking for rallies to fuck up.

Jimmy Chitwood
10-11-2010, 11:09 AM
Got a link to a Tea Party demonstration with a sign saying "Nigger"? I mean, that'd be the hottest picture on the Internet; I'd love to have access to it.

ETA: I found one, although the guy... er, misspelled the word. Dear me.

See? Wrongly-worded. Just like that stupid motherfucker said.

elucidator
10-11-2010, 11:15 AM
Of course! It just hit me! Its post modernist irony!

They know what the expectations are, so they deliberately go way, way out there as a droll commentary on those expectations! They know that none of those slimes are remotely true, that's the whole point!

I mean, look at that crowd! How can you not instantly be sure that they are totally into Derrida, deconstructionist literary criticism, and semiotics!

Trepa Mayfield
10-11-2010, 11:19 AM
Still not hearing any denouncing...I must assume that Starving Artist is in complete agreement with everything that any Tea Partier has said, since he hasn't denounced any of it.

Ludovic
10-11-2010, 11:24 AM
Got a link to a Tea Party demonstration with a sign saying "Nigger"? I mean, that'd be the hottest picture on the Internet; I'd love to have access to it.

ETA: I found one, although the guy... er, misspelled the word. Dear me.

See? Wrongly-worded. Just like that stupid motherfucker said.What kind of moran would misspell an ethnic slur?

Hentor the Barbarian
10-11-2010, 11:24 AM
Is that what we are going to call the signs with Nigger and Obama-hitler on them?


Those you can ignore because more than likely, they are being held up by someone trying to besmirch the Tea Party movement. They know the media will show those signs; it's like a Pavlovian reaction and they position for good camera exposure.Sure, and it was probably a liberal who created the content of those emails (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/12/carl-paladinos-emails-tea_n_534691.html) that Carl Paladino was compelled to forward around. This is eerily similar to Starving Artist's argument in the other thread that liberals have been intentionally misleading conservatives about the true nature of evolution all these years.

You know, at some point I wish that somewhere just one conservative would ever actually be responsible for his or her own behavior.

The Great Sun Jester
10-11-2010, 11:26 AM
Yup, All of us Commie libruls are out there with "Nigger" signs, looking for a Tea Bagger circlejerk to besmirch. That's what we do all day. We drive around with our "Nigger" signs looking for rallies to fuck up.Dude! The secret agenda, remember?


The agency will be sending someone over to collect your Bleeing Hearts Club card shortly.

heatmiserfl
10-11-2010, 11:28 AM
How come every Tea Partier who makes an offensive remark gets labeled a "champion" or "hero" of the Tea Party around here? The Tea Party is made up of millions of people with a wide range of opinions, beliefs, backgrounds, education and income levels. But let one person at a Tea Party rally or one candidate say something offensive, or foolish, or hold up a wrongly worded sign, and immediately they become the personification of the Tea Party.

Why is that, I facetiously wonder?

The Tea Party is made up of ignorant, reactionary, selfish, short sighted assholes. They don't give a damn about anyone but themselves.

Give me my social security, my medicare and my unemployment (my fucking government handouts) but don't give shit to anyone else, and keep government out of my business (except to give me more fucking handouts).

I don't want any new taxes or any taxes at all but government has to take care of my lazy stupid worthless ass (I supposed by taxing someone ELSE)

I want MY government health care but I want government out of the halth care business (take care of me, but let anyone else die)

Government is there to do what I say because it's supposed to represent me, but if it looks like it might not do exactly what I want (and to hell with anyone else) I want the "Second Amendment Remedy" or whatever those assholes call it.

I want freedom for me, to do whatever I want, but none for anyone else. I want religious freedom, and the rest are free to obey whatever bulshit I falsely want to tack onto my religion. God says they all suck anyway.

I used to say anyone who slammed Bush was a traitor, but I talk incessantly about how Obama is a Muslim traitor Commie monley (ni**er) and that's OK.

I walk into Obama "town halls" with a gun, and then have the gall to say I'm not being threatening (but I bet if anyone with a different view showd up, Tea Baggers would shit themselves).

It' all about me. Fuck everyone else. I'm mad about everything, even when I don't even know what it is.



The Tea Party is the lunatic fringe, the people who are ignorant and proud of it. To hell with them. At the very least, they are damn hypocrites.

That pretty much sums them up for me.

Biffy the Elephant Shrew
10-11-2010, 12:07 PM
The agency will be sending someone over to collect your Bleeing Hearts Club card shortly.

"We're Sergeant Pepper's Bleeing Hearts Club Band..."

Jack Batty
10-11-2010, 12:12 PM
All this talk of Bleeing.

To blee or not to blee ... isn't that, really the question?

SteveG1
10-11-2010, 12:15 PM
Yup, All of us Commie libruls are out there with "Nigger" signs, looking for a Tea Bagger circlejerk to besmirch. That's what we do all day. We drive around with our "Nigger" signs looking for rallies to fuck up.Dude! The secret agenda, remember?


The agency will be sending someone over to collect your Bleeing Hearts Club card shortly.
Dammit. Shit. Dammit.

I know, I'll just deny saying it. People have such lousy memories, it will be forgotten by tomorrow, and if not, I will accuse someone of making it up. I'll say they said I said it and that they are lying and picking on me.

Hentor the Barbarian
10-11-2010, 12:17 PM
All this talk of Bleeing.

To blee or not to blee ... isn't that, really the question?It's the unbearable lightness of bleeing.

Chefguy
10-11-2010, 12:24 PM
Republicans will eventually suffer the worst political hangover in history, once the teabaggers have gone their merry way after fucking up the country. Unfortunately, it won't come soon enough.

Revtim
10-11-2010, 12:27 PM
Those you can ignore because more than likely, they are being held up by someone trying to besmirch the Tea Party movement. They know the media will show those signs; it's like a Pavlovian reaction and they position for good camera exposure.Like the last time you stated this, I have to ask: is there any reason for you believe this other than wishful thinking?

Racist people are going to hate Obama. They are going to join protests against him. Unless the teabaggers do something to stop this, then the people with the "niggar" signs aren't your hypothetical anti-tea party operatives - they are genuine racists who identify themselves as tea-partiers.

Revtim
10-11-2010, 12:28 PM
Republicans will eventually suffer the worst political hangover in history, once the teabaggers have gone their merry way after fucking up the country. Unfortunately, it won't come soon enough.I bet people said the same thing about the Religious Right. The party still seems to be going on for them, though.

Chefguy
10-11-2010, 12:31 PM
Republicans will eventually suffer the worst political hangover in history, once the teabaggers have gone their merry way after fucking up the country. Unfortunately, it won't come soon enough.I bet people said the same thing about the Religious Right. The party still seems to be going on for them, though.

Religion pays, lunacy doesn't. You can always sell god, but you get full-up with crazy in short order.

Revtim
10-11-2010, 12:42 PM
I bet people said the same thing about the Religious Right. The party still seems to be going on for them, though.

Religion pays, lunacy doesn't. You can always sell god, but you get full-up with crazy in short order.Many would argue that the Religious Right's version of religion is just another example of crazy.

Guinastasia
10-11-2010, 12:54 PM
How come every Tea Partier who makes an offensive remark gets labeled a "champion" or "hero" of the Tea Party around here? The Tea Party is made up of millions of people with a wide range of opinions, beliefs, backgrounds, education and income levels. But let one person at a Tea Party rally or one candidate say something offensive, or foolish, or hold up a wrongly worded sign, and immediately they become the personification of the Tea Party.

Why is that, I facetiously wonder?


And "liberals" include millions of people with a wide range of opinions, beliefs, backgrounds, education and income levels. But according to you, we're responsible for everything that's wrong in this country since the 1960s. :rolleyes:

Starving Artist
10-11-2010, 12:54 PM
[This is eerily similar to Starving Artist's argument in the other thread that liberals have been intentionally misleading conservatives about the true nature of evolution all these years.
No, it isn't my belief that liberals have intentionally been misleading conservatives (or more accurately, everybody in general) about the nature of evolution all these years. It is my belief however that they have inadvertently been doing so by framing their comments about evolution and creationism in such a way as to have had the effect of misleading them about it.

Biffy the Elephant Shrew
10-11-2010, 01:16 PM
No, it isn't my belief that liberals have intentionally been misleading conservatives (or more accurately, everybody in general) about the nature of evolution all these years.

Ahem.

So now we have a situation where the left apparently is deliberately creating the impression that evolution accounts for life on this planet, while simultaneously making fun of people for thinking that liberals believe that evolution accounts for life on this planet.

Emphasis added. And no, the word "apparently" does not negate the accusation.

elucidator
10-11-2010, 01:25 PM
Well, there you go! If this sort of inadvertent mispeaking can happen to a steel-trap mind like Starving Artist, them certainly it can happen to some drugged out liberal! Maybe the cat walked across the keyboard.

Czarcasm
10-11-2010, 01:30 PM
[This is eerily similar to Starving Artist's argument in the other thread that liberals have been intentionally misleading conservatives about the true nature of evolution all these years.
No, it isn't my belief that liberals have intentionally been misleading conservatives (or more accurately, everybody in general) about the nature of evolution all these years. It is my belief however that they have inadvertently been doing so by framing their comments about evolution and creationism in such a way as to have had the effect of misleading them about it.I think I understand.
You claim ignorance, but it's the fault of scientists for not using words small enough for you to understand. However, now that you've been enlightened as to the reality of the situation, you'd rather remain ignorant.

RedFury
10-11-2010, 01:35 PM
Perhaps we should define the term "Fighting ignorance". Apparently it does not mean what I think that it means.


And it only took you seven years to learn as much. Good job!

Starving Artist
10-11-2010, 01:35 PM
There is a distinction between the meaning of those two statements. Let me see if I can explain:

Yes, liberals have been deliberately creating the impression over the last few decades that evolution supplants creationism as the explanation for life. But that is completely different from doing so simply in order to mislead conservatives. In other words they've intentionally been doing A, and the result of their having done that is B. But they didn't do A in order to create B.

Morella
10-11-2010, 01:36 PM
Yeah, well I wonder where these "principled patriots" were when Bush was out-spending any administration in American history. Lying cocksuckers.

Bravo, OP.

I thought Congress was in charge of spending ?

Trepa Mayfield
10-11-2010, 01:44 PM
Still waiting for SA to actually denounce Paladino et al...

Robot Arm
10-11-2010, 01:46 PM
Yes, liberals have been deliberately creating the impression over the last few decades that evolution supplants creationism as the explanation for life. But that is completely different from doing so simply in order to mislead conservatives.So why have then been doing it, if not to mislead conservatives?

Biffy the Elephant Shrew
10-11-2010, 01:50 PM
So why have then been doing it, if not to mislead conservatives?

This ought to be good.

Chefguy
10-11-2010, 01:58 PM
Religion pays, lunacy doesn't. You can always sell god, but you get full-up with crazy in short order.Many would argue that the Religious Right's version of religion is just another example of crazy.

Nah, that's just delusion. People tend to see delusion as somewhat harmless. After all, what harm could come from believing too strongly in one's version of god? Most are reluctant to brand them for what they are: Christian fanatics who are no better than Muslim fanatics. Until the delusion turns violent (Jim Jones, David Koresh, et al), we tolerate it. Outright batshit crazy causes us to shake our heads in disbelief for awhile, but eventually it becomes scary enough for most people to come to their senses.

Guinastasia
10-11-2010, 02:22 PM
Is that what we are going to call the signs with Nigger and Obama-hitler on them?


Those you can ignore because more than likely, they are being held up by someone trying to besmirch the Tea Party movement. They know the media will show those signs; it's like a Pavlovian reaction and they position for good camera exposure.

WRONG (http://www.teaparty.org/)

‘N-Word’ Sign Dogs Would-Be Tea Party Leader (http://washingtonindependent.com/73036/n-word-sign-dogs-would-be-tea-party-leader)

Tea Party Leader Who Claimed No Slurs? Now Famous For Holding N-word Sign (http://www.mediaite.com/online/tea-party-leader-that-claimed-no-slurs-now-famous-for-n-word-sign/)

Tea Party Leader Dale Robertson Ousted for N-Word Sign (http://www.bet.com/News/Politics_Tea_Party_Leader_Dale_Robertson_Ousted_For_Nword_Sign.htm)

And it looks like he's not the only one:


Robertson, a Tea Party activist, operated TeaParty.org. A photo of him holding the “Niggar” sign at a Feb. 27, 2009 Tea Party in Houston surfaced recently.

Many of the protestors who have turned out at the Tea Party rallies across the United States have carried racially insensitive signs. Some of them have portrayed President Obama as a Nazi, clown, bone-in-the-nose African native and murderer.



Well? Do you have anything to say?

SteveG1
10-11-2010, 02:46 PM
There is a distinction between the meaning of those two statements. Let me see if I can explain:

Yes, liberals have been deliberately creating the impression over the last few decades that evolution supplants creationism as the explanation for life. But that is completely different from doing so simply in order to mislead conservatives. In other words they've intentionally been doing A, and the result of their having done that is B. But they didn't do A in order to create B.

So, are you deliberately full of shit?

MTCicero
10-11-2010, 02:54 PM
Well? Do you have anything to say?

Hell, I'm still waiting for him to answer my questions. I think I'll be waiting a loooong time.

The Great Sun Jester
10-11-2010, 03:01 PM
WRONG (http://www.teaparty.org/)

‘N-Word’ Sign Dogs Would-Be Tea Party Leader (http://washingtonindependent.com/73036/n-word-sign-dogs-would-be-tea-party-leader)

Tea Party Leader Who Claimed No Slurs? Now Famous For Holding N-word Sign (http://www.mediaite.com/online/tea-party-leader-that-claimed-no-slurs-now-famous-for-n-word-sign/)

Tea Party Leader Dale Robertson Ousted for N-Word Sign (http://www.bet.com/News/Politics_Tea_Party_Leader_Dale_Robertson_Ousted_For_Nword_Sign.htm)


Well? Do you have anything to say?Well, the sign was tasteless, yes. But it's not like he was calling President Obama a "niggar" with the sign. The same message could just as easily have been prtrayed with "Congress = Nazis, Taxpayers = Jews" and then we'd have no outrage.

But the sign does demonstrate his ignorance. Nigger slaves didn't have money for the masters to take. But I suppose niggAr(dly) slaves did but just didn't want to pay. Jews, as we all know, DID have lots of money for the Nazis to take, however.

Guinastasia
10-11-2010, 03:03 PM
I've long given up trying to make sense of anything Starving Artist says.

Morella
10-11-2010, 03:05 PM
Until the delusion turns violent (Jim Jones, David Koresh, et al), we tolerate it.

David Koresh wasn't violent, just protective. The US government started the violence in Waco, and ended it by burning down the compound.

Cisco
10-11-2010, 03:13 PM
Well, the sign was tasteless, yes. But it's not like he was calling President Obama a "niggar" with the sign. The same message could just as easily have been prtrayed with "Congress = Nazis, Taxpayers = Jews" and then we'd have no outrage.

But the sign does demonstrate his ignorance. Nigger slaves didn't have money for the masters to take. But I suppose niggAr(dly) slaves did but just didn't want to pay. Jews, as we all know, DID have lots of money for the Nazis to take, however.
Maybe he was talking about the tv show. The Niggar Family.

Shot From Guns
10-11-2010, 03:26 PM
So, we can't judge the Tea Party by what its members say. And we can't judge the Tea Party by what its elected representatives say. So, what standard can we use to evaluate the Tea Party as a whole?

I believe Starving Artist is a fan of the No True Teabagger theory. Any member of the Tea Party who does anything remotely stupid, racist, or bigoted automatically proves that they aren't really a member of the Tea Party and thus do not reflect poorly on it in any way.

Clothahump
10-11-2010, 03:54 PM
This begs the question: Why, then, did it take a black man being elected president for them to get organized and start marching in the streets, as it were?
It had absolutely nothing to do with the color of his skin. It had everything to do with his politics.

Bosstone
10-11-2010, 04:02 PM
This begs the question: Why, then, did it take a black man being elected president for them to get organized and start marching in the streets, as it were?
It had absolutely nothing to do with the color of his skin. It had everything to do with his politics.That might almost be convincing if the attacks on him were anything like on speaking terms with reality.

SmartAleq
10-11-2010, 04:03 PM
To be honest, I don't know that there is one right now. :D

I think we'll just have to wait until it coalesces around some identifiable leader or leaders. Right now it's just a large group of people pissed off at the direction the country has been headed and the way it's been run. And not just during Obama's tenure, but for quite a long while.

If an elected candidate for office running as a member of the party doesn't qualify as an identifiable leader, then what does qualify?

Oooh, does that crazy woman in Delaware who's running for the Senate count as a Tea Party leader? She got a Palin endorsement and all, she must be! You know the one, the one who said on TV that she dabbled in witchcraft, then followed it up with the ad that says "I'm not a witch, I'm YOU" which is a little confusing on account of I actually AM a witch so I can't tell if she's lying or crazy or just plain stupid. Oh yeah, she's also the one who wants to stop everyone in the country from masturbating so I'm gonna have to go with crazy/stupid although "liar" isn't totally off the table just yet.

Does she qualify?

Miller
10-11-2010, 04:06 PM
To be honest, I don't know that there is one right now. :D
** smashes SA's simley teeth out with a milk bottle **

...

> over the top invective deleted <

I hope you choke on something, and the sooner the better.

I don't think you got quite enough of the over-the-top stuff out of your post. The two quoted sentences are very, very close to violating the rule against wishing harm on another poster. Please dial it back a bit further.

No warning issued.

SteveG1
10-11-2010, 04:35 PM
Republicans will eventually suffer the worst political hangover in history, once the teabaggers have gone their merry way after fucking up the country. Unfortunately, it won't come soon enough.I bet people said the same thing about the Religious Right. The party still seems to be going on for them, though.

I've been waiting for the religious right to go away, ever since Reagan was courting them. How long is it gonna take??

SteveG1
10-11-2010, 04:38 PM
This begs the question: Why, then, did it take a black man being elected president for them to get organized and start marching in the streets, as it were?
It had absolutely nothing to do with the color of his skin. It had everything to do with his politics.

Yeah but "Niggar" is way easier to spell. Right?




Oopsie

Czarcasm
10-11-2010, 04:40 PM
This begs the question: Why, then, did it take a black man being elected president for them to get organized and start marching in the streets, as it were?
It had absolutely nothing to do with the color of his skin. It had everything to do with his politics.Bullshit.
Tell me something-At what age did you decide that the ends justify the means? That it didn't matter how the other side was brought down. That all's fair in love and war, and that people who believed differently than you were only targets to be destroyed? That it's all right to bring massive dishonesty to a debate, because it didn't matter if people were convinced if you were right as long as enough mud was slung to make any reasonable decision impossible? When the hell did you give up on caring if what you said was correct as long as it towed the party line?

mhendo
10-11-2010, 05:03 PM
It had absolutely nothing to do with the color of his skin. It had everything to do with his politics.Let's assume for a moment that what you say is true (it's not).

And let's also assume for a moment that the Tea Party, as a whole, really is mostly concerned about government spending and intervention in the economy (it's not).

Why is it that this movement didn't emerge when Obama's predecessor was spending like a drunken sailor, and running the sort of deficits that generally get a Democratic president associated with the anti-christ?

septimus
10-11-2010, 05:07 PM
I am so sick of these shitheads acting like all they're about is "freedom" and the accountability of government. They don't know what freedom is. They didn't give two tugs of a dead dog's cock about accountability when a white man was in office.

You know what's worse than a hateful, racist, mean-spirited group of people? One that lies about it. Fuck every single person who supports the American Taliban Tea Party for the bunch of low-life, evil, weaselly, scared pussies that they are. I hope they get swept into office and make a complete and utter bumblefuck out it. It's one thing to whip up a bunch of slack-jawed hillbillies during campaign season. Let's see how hilariously poorly they perform when they have an actual job to perform, and no idea how to do it.

Fucking morons.

I agree with most of your argument and, if the right is going to prevail in elections it might seem emotionally fulfilling in a serves-you-right sense for the stupidest to win. And this could happen: it seems like the stupidest Republicans are those doing best in the primaries.

But the consequences won't be worth it. American voters aren't very smart and will largely blame the most disastrous results on the legacy of Obama. Look what happened in Iraq. This effort was dominated by right-wing idealogues with above average intelligence and led to the Trillion-dollar mistake which future history books will call the beginning of the End of American Ascendence.

septimus
10-11-2010, 05:17 PM
... But let one person at a Tea Party rally or one candidate say something offensive, or foolish,...


Only one? :D


Why is that, I facetiously wonder?

You wonder? :confused: Work harder at it! :D

Couldn't figure out an intelligible response to my comment in a MPSIMS thread, huh? Here it is again:

A charge frequently leveled was that GWB lacked intellectual curiosity. Have you read Price of Loyalty, a description of GWB per Paul O'Neil ? For fighting ignorance, reading that would be time better spent than writing vacuous posts for SDMB.


[various nonsensical excretions]

I read a lot of magazines, websites and liberal blogs and I never read [these "charges"]. Not once.

You mean crap like that?


I do think you're on the right track with this comment. I'd elucidate but this isn't BBQ Pit.

Since now we are in BBQ Pit, I can confess that I found your comment to be self-describing. Indeed if you've ever had anything useful to say, I've missed it.

Robot Arm
10-11-2010, 05:22 PM
You know what's worse than a hateful, racist, mean-spirited group of people? One that lies about it. Fuck every single person who supports the American Taliban Tea Party for the bunch of low-life, evil, weaselly, scared pussies that they are. I hope they get swept into office and make a complete and utter bumblefuck out it. It's one thing to whip up a bunch of slack-jawed hillbillies during campaign season. Let's see how hilariously poorly they perform when they have an actual job to perform, and no idea how to do it. septimus has a point. Rush Limbaugh took heat (and deservedly so) when he said he wanted Obama to fail. Do you really want to suffer the consequences of the Tea Party just to be able to say "I told you so"?

I'd like to see the federal government be more fiscally disciplined. I have no faith in the Tea Party to actually accomplish it. I don't want to see them in office to even have the chance of screwing things up.

kaylasdad99
10-11-2010, 05:28 PM
Hear, hear.

Or any other Republican, if it comes to that.

Ludovic
10-11-2010, 05:30 PM
I'd like to see the federal government be more fiscally disciplined. I have no faith in the Tea Party to actually accomplish it. I don't want to see them in office to even have the chance of screwing things up.

This. And not only do I not trust them to even start to balance the budget, they were either lying or deluded when they claim to not be socially conservative. They will succeed in passing socially conservative legislation, and possibly lowering taxes, but not even begin to make a dent in the budget.

For all you teabaggers out there, tell me, which of these programs should the Tea Party officially adopt as a platform:
-- Reduce the size of the military
-- Reduce Social Security benefits while leaving taxes intact
-- Reduce medicaid benefits while leaving taxes intact

If you don't do one of the three, it's mathematically impossible to lower the national debt. The teabaggers don't have the political strength to suggest any of these, and they surely won't support increased taxes.

So seriously, I want teabaggers in this forum to suggest one of the above changes. If not, you have nothing to stand on.

Cisco
10-11-2010, 05:43 PM
Do you really want to suffer the consequences of the Tea Party just to be able to say "I told you so"?
I don't know. I think Rush took a lot of heat because he has a ridiculous amount of influence over millions of shitditto-heads. Nobody is going to think or act or vote any differently because I got pissed and said I want the Tea Party to win. And I'm afraid a lot of them will win, so maybe pretending I want them to is just my ego's way of protecting itself. Goddamn motherfuckers.

Starving Artist
10-11-2010, 05:47 PM
I'd like to see the federal government be more fiscally disciplined. I have no faith in the Tea Party to actually accomplish it. I don't want to see them in office to even have the chance of screwing things up.It does give one pause. But when you look at the fiscal discipline shown by the college-educated millionaires we've had running the government the last 80 years or so, it's hard to believe they'll be much worse.

Besides, they won't be in total control anyway.

So seriously, I want teabaggers in this forum to suggest one of the above changes. If not, you have nothing to stand on. I don't know that there are any teabaggers in this thread, and if there I don't know if they'd want to talk about...you know, TMI and all.

And I don't know that there are any Tea Partiers here either. :D

So you might want to ask first before you wind up interpreting a lack of response to mean that you've left them speechless.

Robot Arm
10-11-2010, 05:57 PM
It does give one pause. But when you look at the fiscal discipline shown by the college-educated millionaires we've had running the government the last 80 years or so, it's hard to believe they'll be much worse.The last 80 years have hardly been governed by one unbroken, monolithic fiscal policy. Some administrations and congresses have been better than others. Over the course of my lifetime, the people who talk like the Tea Partiers are the ones who spend like drunken sailors. So, yes, I can easily believe they'd be among the worst.

All of which is somewhat off-topic for this thread, which was originally about the Tea Partiers social agenda.

elucidator
10-11-2010, 06:16 PM
Nobody, to my knowledge, has had anything nearly as intelligent and insightful to say about the Tea Party as Johnathon Raban, in the New York Review of Books

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/mar/25/at-the-tea-party/

Fuckin' brilliant. Joe Bob 'luc says "Check it out!"

Morella
10-11-2010, 07:03 PM
It had absolutely nothing to do with the color of his skin. It had everything to do with his politics.Let's assume for a moment that what you say is true (it's not).

And let's also assume for a moment that the Tea Party, as a whole, really is mostly concerned about government spending and intervention in the economy (it's not).

Why is it that this movement didn't emerge when Obama's predecessor was spending like a drunken sailor, and running the sort of deficits that generally get a Democratic president associated with the anti-christ?

Congress spends money, not the president.

Peremensoe
10-11-2010, 07:11 PM
Nobody, to my knowledge, has had anything nearly as intelligent and insightful to say about the Tea Party as Johnathon Raban, in the New York Review of Books

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/mar/25/at-the-tea-party/

His main message seems to be that many of the people attending these events or identifying with something about the TP do not conform to simple conceptions of them as bigots and reactionaries. For example, he is surprised to meet a conservative white Southern woman who has adopted two disabled black kids.

mhendo
10-11-2010, 07:24 PM
Congress spends money, not the president.And, of course, the President has nothing to do with formulating the policies that result in Congress appropriating and spending money, right? Presidential policies are completely irrelevant to the ways in which the federal government involves itself in the nation's economy?

The fact is that the White House has considerable sway over these issues, and that, while talking of high-spending and low-spending Presidents might not be procedurally correct, it is a completely understandable shorthand for their economic policies that anyone will more than three brain cells can comprehend. Are you in that group of people?

Cisco
10-11-2010, 07:37 PM
Nobody, to my knowledge, has had anything nearly as intelligent and insightful to say about the Tea Party as Johnathon Raban, in the New York Review of Books

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/mar/25/at-the-tea-party/

Fuckin' brilliant. Joe Bob 'luc says "Check it out!"

Matt Taibbi wrote a great article about the Tea Party in Rolling Stone recently:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/210904

Note that the bottom of the first page is not the end of the article; it's 4 pages long.

Hamlet
10-11-2010, 07:38 PM
Nobody, to my knowledge, has had anything nearly as intelligent and insightful to say about the Tea Party as Johnathon Raban, in the New York Review of Books

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/mar/25/at-the-tea-party/

Fuckin' brilliant. Joe Bob 'luc says "Check it out!"Interesting piece. If you're interested, I would also recommend Matt Taibbi's coverage of the Tea Party also. It includes gems like:

"A hall full of elderly white people in Medicare-paid scooters, railing against government spending and imagining themselves revolutionaries as they cheer on the vice-presidential puppet hand-picked by the GOP establishment. If there exists a better snapshot of everything the Tea Party represents, I can't imagine it."

and

"t's not like the Tea Partiers hate black people. It's just that they're shockingly willing to believe the appalling horseshit fantasy about how white people in the age of Obama are some kind of oppressed minority. That may not be racism, but it is incredibly, earth-shatteringly stupid. I hear this theme over and over — as I do on a recent trip to northern Kentucky, where I decide to stick on a Rand Paul button and sit in on a Tea Party event at a local amusement park. Before long, a group of about a half-dozen Tea Partiers begin speculating about how Obamacare will force emergency-room doctors to consult "death panels" that will evaluate your worth as a human being before deciding to treat you."

The article (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/210904).

Hentor the Barbarian
10-11-2010, 07:41 PM
It does give one pause. But when you look at the fiscal discipline shown by the college-educated millionaires we've had running the government the last 80 years or so, it's hard to believe they'll be much worse.If you care to go by the history of the past 80 years, as you know, then you would predict that they would be worse. You'd predict this because, on average, any economic indicator you could choose has done better under Democrats than Republicans.

Lamar Mundane
10-11-2010, 07:48 PM
Let's assume for a moment that what you say is true (it's not).

And let's also assume for a moment that the Tea Party, as a whole, really is mostly concerned about government spending and intervention in the economy (it's not).

Why is it that this movement didn't emerge when Obama's predecessor was spending like a drunken sailor, and running the sort of deficits that generally get a Democratic president associated with the anti-christ?

Congress spends money, not the president.

During the GWB Administration, Congress was in the hands of the Republicans when the bulk of the reckless spending was done. When the Democrats took over, the deficit decreased.

Cisco
10-11-2010, 07:57 PM
Nobody, to my knowledge, has had anything nearly as intelligent and insightful to say about the Tea Party as Johnathon Raban, in the New York Review of Books

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/mar/25/at-the-tea-party/

Fuckin' brilliant. Joe Bob 'luc says "Check it out!"

“Then something really odd happened,” Tancredo said, “mostly because, I think, we do not have a civics literacy test before people can vote in this country. People who could not spell the word ‘vote,’ or say it in English, put a committed socialist ideologue in the White House. His name is Barack Hussein Obama.”
The level of delusion implied in this passage is almost scary.

We are the only true Americans. The people who voted Barack Hussein Obama into office are filthy foreigners who have invaded our country.

SteveG1
10-11-2010, 08:13 PM
Nobody, to my knowledge, has had anything nearly as intelligent and insightful to say about the Tea Party as Johnathon Raban, in the New York Review of Books

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/mar/25/at-the-tea-party/

Fuckin' brilliant. Joe Bob 'luc says "Check it out!"Interesting piece. If you're interested, I would also recommend Matt Taibbi's coverage of the Tea Party also. It includes gems like:

"A hall full of elderly white people in Medicare-paid scooters, railing against government spending and imagining themselves revolutionaries as they cheer on the vice-presidential puppet hand-picked by the GOP establishment. If there exists a better snapshot of everything the Tea Party represents, I can't imagine it."

and

"t's not like the Tea Partiers hate black people. It's just that they're shockingly willing to believe the appalling horseshit fantasy about how white people in the age of Obama are some kind of oppressed minority. That may not be racism, but it is incredibly, earth-shatteringly stupid. I hear this theme over and over — as I do on a recent trip to northern Kentucky, where I decide to stick on a Rand Paul button and sit in on a Tea Party event at a local amusement park. Before long, a group of about a half-dozen Tea Partiers begin speculating about how Obamacare will force emergency-room doctors to consult "death panels" that will evaluate your worth as a human being before deciding to treat you."

The article (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/210904).

Hmm, Health or death, based on worth as a human being.

I better bite my tongue harder

We are the only true Americans. The people who voted Barack Hussein Obama into office are filthy foreigners who have invaded our country
Hmmmm, maybe treatment should be based on level of stupidity.

emacknight
10-11-2010, 09:41 PM
Okay, so I currently have a working theory that Republicans are going through the list of logical fallacies, and testing to see how far they can push.

Starving Artist has so perfectly illustrated the No True Scotsman Fallacy. And so I can't help but feel the Republican Party has built the Tea Party as a way of making sure that no member can speak for any other member.

If Joe Blow spouts a bunch of shit about how great the Nazis were, the tea party can dismiss him as "not a real Tea Party member." No one is ever a true member, until they are, and even then they might not be.

Keep an eye out for other examples, it could be amusing.

Bryan Ekers
10-11-2010, 10:52 PM
Starving Artist, would you care to name a Tea Party member who, you feel, does speak for them in an intelligent and articulate manner, who can summarize their genuine and valid concerns?

I'm basically asking if you've the guts to hitch your wagon to someone who may later make a speech betraying utter insanity.

Morella
10-11-2010, 11:15 PM
Congress spends money, not the president.And, of course, the President has nothing to do with formulating the policies that result in Congress appropriating and spending money, right? Presidential policies are completely irrelevant to the ways in which the federal government involves itself in the nation's economy?

Actually, I was responding to the accusation that Bush spent too much money. I remember all of the crap that Reagan and Bush(s) went through to try to get Congress to curb their spending, including shutting down the government, and so this accusation seems totally asinine to me.

The fact is that the White House has considerable sway over these issues, and that, while talking of high-spending and low-spending Presidents might not be procedurally correct, it is a completely understandable shorthand for their economic policies that anyone will more than three brain cells can
comprehend. Are you in that group of people?

If you're asking whether or not I have more than three brain cells, yes, I believe that I do. However, I do not accept the "shorthand", as you call it, of blaming the president for runaway spending by Congress. The president has very little control over it.

Morella
10-11-2010, 11:20 PM
Congress spends money, not the president.

During the GWB Administration, Congress was in the hands of the Republicans when the bulk of the reckless spending was done. When the Democrats took over, the deficit decreased.

Now we're getting somewhere. Runaway spending is not a partison issue.

Enter the Tea Party, with the message...we need conservatives, not necessarily Republicans in Congress. I have no argument with that.

mhendo
10-11-2010, 11:21 PM
Enter the Tea Party, with the message...we need conservatives, not necessarily Republicans in Congress. I have no argument with that.That's their argument? Really?

Morella
10-11-2010, 11:24 PM
Enter the Tea Party, with the message...we need conservatives, not necessarily Republicans in Congress. I have no argument with that.That's their argument? Really?

How would you summarize the Tea Party? What are they all about?

Before you start off with "they're all about hating niggers and putting them in their place", keep in mind that the Democratic Party was basically put together for that purpose.

Cisco
10-11-2010, 11:27 PM
Actually, I was responding to the accusation that Bush spent too much money. I remember all of the crap that Reagan and Bush(s) went through to try to get Congress to curb their spending, including shutting down the government, and so this accusation seems totally asinine to me.

If you're asking whether or not I have more than three brain cells, yes, I believe that I do. However, I do not accept the "shorthand", as you call it, of blaming the president for runaway spending by Congress. The president has very little control over it.
Who got us mired in 2 wars that have cost us over a trillion dollars already and are nowhere near being through with financially draining us? And that's not to mention the human cost of those wars. Obama hasn't killed anyone yet, except through the passive act of not bringing all of our troops home, but I think any reasonable person would agree that that's impractical.

I know Congress bent over and let this happen, but they weren't the ones pushing for it.

Morella
10-11-2010, 11:35 PM
Who got us mired in 2 wars that have cost us over a trillion dollars already and are nowhere near being through with financially draining us? And that's not to mention the human cost of those wars. Obama hasn't killed anyone yet, except through the passive act of not bringing all of our troops home

Passive act?

I know Congress bent over and let this happen, but they weren't the ones pushing for it.

Make up your mind. Are you going to blame Congress, or the president, for the war? Personally, I blame the diaperheads, and religion.

Bryan Ekers
10-11-2010, 11:44 PM
Before you start off with "they're all about hating niggers and putting them in their place", keep in mind that the Democratic Party was basically put together for that purpose.

Even generously assuming that to be true, it happened in the early-to-mid 1800s. What's the Tea Party's excuse for embracing it in 2010?

Cisco
10-11-2010, 11:49 PM
Personally, I blame the diaperheads
Well then.

Euphonious Polemic
10-11-2010, 11:55 PM
[Personally, I blame the diaperheads, and religion.

I bow to your insightful and erudite grasp of global issues. I think you should run for office on the Tea Party ticket.

ETA: are you you one of the people who threatened sikhs after 911? (http://www.harisingh.com/newsBacklash.htm)

Really Not All That Bright
10-12-2010, 12:04 AM
I thought he meant soccer moms.

Morella
10-12-2010, 12:07 AM
Before you start off with "they're all about hating niggers and putting them in their place", keep in mind that the Democratic Party was basically put together for that purpose.

Even generously assuming that to be true, it happened in the early-to-mid 1800s. What's the Tea Party's excuse for embracing it in 2010?

What makes you think that the Tea Party embraces racism? I assume you are referring to racism, but keep in mind that it works both ways. The race baiting that has been going on with Obama is disgusting. It's sick. Anyone who does not go along with Obamacare, who believes that people should work for a living, who believes that taxes are crippling the economy, must be a racist? Sometimes I wonder if Obama was deliberately put into the White House just to make sure that no black man has a chance of becoming president again in our lifetime.

This is the sort of crap that the Democratic Party has always been pulling, and has continued to do. They tell black people that the reason that they are down economically is because white people are keeping them in their place. That is most certainly horse shit, but they go along with it because it is easier than working hard, getting an education, and bettering themselves. Fortunately, more black people are turning conservative now, recognizing the shit for what it is, and making something of themselves, and I think that is a great thing.

Morella
10-12-2010, 12:11 AM
I bow to your insightful and erudite grasp of global issues. I think you should run for office on the Tea Party ticket.

I think not. Once my opinions of religion were made public, I wouldn't stand a chance. Besides, I'm the wrong color...right?

ETA: are you you one of the people who threatened sikhs after 911? (http://www.harisingh.com/newsBacklash.htm)

If you saw my picture, you would laugh at your own comment.

Kolga
10-12-2010, 12:11 AM
“Then something really odd happened,” Tancredo said, “mostly because, I think, we do not have a civics literacy test before people can vote in this country. People who could not spell the word ‘vote,’ or say it in English, put a committed socialist ideologue in the White House. His name is Barack Hussein Obama.”

The level of delusion implied in this passage is almost scary.

We are the only true Americans. The people who voted Barack Hussein Obama into office are filthy foreigners who have invaded our country.

And that fucknugget is currently in second place for governor of the great state of Colorado.

He also called for the bombing of Mecca, just 'cause.

elucidator
10-12-2010, 12:17 AM
I assume he's usernamed after a mushroom because he's such a fun guy. "Diaperheads". Droll, very droll.

mhendo
10-12-2010, 12:22 AM
How would you summarize the Tea Party? What are they all about?I wasn't the one who made a claim about what their argument is. It was you, remember, who claimed:Enter the Tea Party, with the message...we need conservatives, not necessarily Republicans in Congress.My point was simply that this is not really the message i've been seeing, particularly the "not necessarily Republicans" part. Before you start off with "they're all about hating niggers and putting them in their place", keep in mind that the Democratic Party was basically put together for that purpose.I'll take Ahistorical Non-Sequiturs for $1000, please Alex.

How fucking stupid do you have to be to offer this as a serious argument in 2010, almost 200 years after the founding of the Democratic Party? I'm not arguing that the Party has no history of racism; it has plenty, and there is probably still no shortage of racist among certain groups of Democratic supporters. But your attempt to rebut a claim i never made by referring to something over a century old is completely asinine.

Morella
10-12-2010, 12:44 AM
It was you, remember, who claimed:My point was simply that this is not really the message i've been seeing, particularly the "not necessarily Republicans" part.

So I will ask you once again...what message have you been seeing?

How fucking stupid do you have to be to offer this as a serious argument in 2010, almost 200 years after the founding of the Democratic Party? I'm not arguing that the Party has no history of racism; it has plenty, and there is probably still no shortage of racist among certain groups of Democratic supporters. But your attempt to rebut a claim i never made by referring to something over a century old is completely asinine.

How stupid would one have to be not to see that nothing has changed but the tactics? Minorities are useful as a voter base...just keep them in their place with entitlements, and a belief that white people are keeping them down, and the answer is to tax the "rich" and hand out Obama money. I salute the new breed of conservative blacks who aren't buying into that bullshit.

elucidator
10-12-2010, 12:46 AM
I'm sure they are both very nice people.

The Other Jeffrey Lebowski
10-12-2010, 12:48 AM
Morella, I see that you're new here. Welcome. Are you familiar with the phrase "strawman argument"?

Morella
10-12-2010, 12:56 AM
Morella, I see that you're new here. Welcome.

Thank you.

Are you familiar with the phrase "strawman argument"?

Yes.

The Other Jeffrey Lebowski
10-12-2010, 01:04 AM
That's nice. What would be nicer is if you employed a bit of reason and facts rather than broad brush strawman style talking points, particularly your claim of a belief that white people are keeping them down

Morella
10-12-2010, 01:29 AM
That's nice. What would be nicer is if you employed a bit of reason and facts rather than broad brush strawman style talking points, particularly your claim of a belief that white people are keeping them down

Nicer...we're trying to be nice? I thought this was a flame forum, based on some of the replies I have received, like this...

How fucking stupid do you have to be to offer this as a serious argument in 2010

...and this...

it is a completely understandable shorthand for their economic policies that anyone will more than three brain cells can comprehend. Are you in that group of people?

You want me to be the only one here who is being nice, or using reason and facts? Why me?

elucidator
10-12-2010, 01:32 AM
It is your sacrifice to the jackal-headed god, Anewbies.

Morella
10-12-2010, 01:52 AM
It is your sacrifice to the jackal-headed god, Anewbies.

I don't do sacrifices, and I don't try to get myself banned either. It works out or it doesn't...j'en ai rien a foutre.

mhendo
10-12-2010, 01:59 AM
Nicer...we're trying to be nice? I thought this was a flame forum, based on some of the replies I have received, like this...You're under no obligation to be nice in this particular forum, but when your idea of an argument about current political debates involves an invocation of the antebellum Democratic Party, you shouldn't expect to be taken very seriously.

Similarly when you use the term diaperheads, apparently without irony.

The Other Jeffrey Lebowski
10-12-2010, 02:25 AM
You want me to be the only one here who is being nice, or using reason and facts? Why me?

Mostly because all that you're doing is flaming, and making statements that reek of ignorance (I'll go ahead and use your lovely "diaperhead" term as exhibit "a"), and this board is dedicated to fighting against it, ignorance, that is. If you do spend any time here, you'll find that most people are nice, and they do rely on facts and reasoning to form coherent points, even here in the pit.

Starving Artist
10-12-2010, 04:20 AM
To be honest, I don't know that there is one right now. :D
** smashes SA's simley teeth out with a milk bottle **

Shut the fuck up! Sophists like you are a fucking disgrace to any kind of reasoned discourse and do absolutely NOTHING but spew venom and discord. How dare you profane "honest" but mixing the word into anything you say?

I'm about as tolerant as anyone can be of any political viewpoint. I have no problem getting outside of my own beliefs to at least try and understand where people are coming from even when their baseline ideas are opposite my own. But at some point there is no more denying that someone's views are not simply different, they're intentionally inflammatory. People like you--haters, racists, 'phobes, thieves--you abuse the human gift of speech and so don't deserve to retain the ability to use it.

> over the top invective deleted <

I hope you choke on something, and the sooner the better.Have you lost your mind?

What's so inflammatory about saying that I don't think the Tea Party currently has a leader? Wikipedia itself says as much, stating that "The [Tea Party] movement has no central leadership but is a loose affiliation of smaller local groups." Cite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement)

And I'd like you to cite that I'm a 'hater", a "racist", a "phobe" and a "thief".

And I'd like you to cite that people who, in your opinion, "abuse the gift of speech" thereby lose their right to use it...or that it's a "gift" in the first place, given that the ability to use it freely is a constitutionally protected right in this country.

And finally, I'd like to know how, in a rant so full of baseless accusations and baldfaced lies, you dare to accuse me of profaning honesty.

tagos
10-12-2010, 04:49 AM
And I'd like you to cite that I'm a 'hater", a "racist", a "phobe" and a "thief".



Your posts are my cite. I'm going to throw in 'mind-numbingly stupid' as a freebie.

sleeping
10-12-2010, 06:19 AM
Make up your mind. Are you going to blame Congress, or the president, for the war? Personally, I blame the diaperheads, and religion.



Even generously assuming that to be true, it happened in the early-to-mid 1800s. What's the Tea Party's excuse for embracing it in 2010?

What makes you think that the Tea Party embraces racism? I assume you are referring to racism, but keep in mind that it works both ways. The race baiting that has been going on with Obama is disgusting. It's sick. Anyone who does not go along with Obamacare, who believes that people should work for a living, who believes that taxes are crippling the economy, must be a racist? Sometimes I wonder if Obama was deliberately put into the White House just to make sure that no black man has a chance of becoming president again in our lifetime.
I believe you just made the WTF comment of the day with that one. It may be early, but I'm calling it.

This is the sort of crap that the Democratic Party has always been pulling, and has continued to do. They tell black people that the reason that they are down economically is because white people are keeping them in their place. That is most certainly horse shit, but they go along with it because it is easier than working hard, getting an education, and bettering themselves. Fortunately, more black people are turning conservative now, recognizing the shit for what it is, and making something of themselves, and I think that is a great thing.

I bow to your insightful and erudite grasp of global issues. I think you should run for office on the Tea Party ticket.

I think not. Once my opinions of religion were made public, I wouldn't stand a chance. Besides, I'm the wrong color...right?

ETA: are you you one of the people who threatened sikhs after 911? (http://www.harisingh.com/newsBacklash.htm)

If you saw my picture, you would laugh at your own comment.

Oh shit...Dinesh D'Souza, is that you?

The Great Sun Jester
10-12-2010, 07:08 AM
Have you lost your mind? Long ago, but it's not really relevant here.
What's so inflammatory about saying that I don't think the Tea Party currently has a leader? Wikipedia itself says as much, stating that "The [Tea Party] movement has no central leadership but is a loose affiliation of smaller local groups." Cite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement)Not tellin'

And I'd like you to cite that I'm a 'hater", a "racist", a "phobe" and a "thief". Already addressed (thank you tagos)

And I'd like you to cite that people who, in your opinion, "abuse the gift of speech" thereby lose their right to use it...or that it's a "gift" in the first place, given that the ability to use it freely is a constitutionally protected right in this country. Fuck you, titwit. I never invited YOU to participate, I invited you to crawl back under the frog shit whence you were spawned and stay there where you belong. Now GIT!

And finally, I'd like to know how, in a rant so full of baseless accusations and baldfaced lies, you dare to accuse me of profaning honesty. I'm sure you would. But since we both know the truth of the statements, and that your calling them "baldfaced lies" is merely an attempt to save face from being called out, I have a better idea. Why don't put your mouth to better use and suck on the south end of a northbound jackal and take what you're given? And be careful swallowing it, I wouldn't want your epiglottis to impede your airway resulting in your untimely demise--there's a lot of jackals that need your help. Now, go-on! Git!

Jerk.

emacknight
10-12-2010, 07:24 AM
And I'd like you to cite that I'm a 'hater", a "racist", a "phobe" and a "thief".

And I'd like you to cite that people who, in your opinion, "abuse the gift of speech" thereby lose their right to use it...or that it's a "gift" in the first place, given that the ability to use it freely is a constitutionally protected right in this country.

Let's see, that's 5 cites in total, at $20 per cite. Are you prepared to cough up $100? Or did you forget that you just asked people to pay you to find a cite, which you still weren't able to find. Or did you think we wouldn't remember?

And finally, I'd like to know how, in a rant so full of baseless accusations and baldfaced lies, you dare to accuse me of profaning honesty.

Uh, because we've read your posts? And they're full of profaning honesty.

$100 seems a bit steep, so for free I'll offer this one (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?searchid=5787320).

Hamlet
10-12-2010, 07:53 AM
What makes you think that the Tea Party embraces racism?People like you.

It's not the overwhelming stench of the rhetoric of David Duke or the hateful violence of the KKK, but it's the much more subtle, much more coded language of the people in the tea party. From idiocy of "diaperheads", your flippant use of the n word, and your inane broad brushing of black people as too stupid to understand the pandering of the democratic party and that they are too lazy to work hard, get an education, and better themselves. And that's just you in this thread. When you add in the same kind of rhetoric at Tea Party events and the numerous Tea Party guys making inane comments or carrying race baiting signs, you have a fair amount of evidence. Sure they've prettied it up, hid it behind codewords and broad brushing, but it's there nonetheless. Call it prejudice, call it racism, call it conservatism, the label doesn't matter much to me. But it most certainly is ignorant, like you.

Really Not All That Bright
10-12-2010, 08:48 AM
But as Clothahump convincingly demonstrated, all those signs that said nigger were planted by left wing smear campaigns!

Why don't you open your eyes and stop listening to the lamestream media? Huh? Huh?

Morella
10-12-2010, 08:50 AM
Nicer...we're trying to be nice? I thought this was a flame forum, based on some of the replies I have received, like this...You're under no obligation to be nice in this particular forum, but when your idea of an argument about current political debates involves an invocation of the antebellum Democratic Party, you shouldn't expect to be taken very seriously.

Similarly when you use the term diaperheads, apparently without irony.

I'm surprised that anyone took the term seriously, but, responding to it gave everyone else the chance to do the strawman thing and ignore the rest of what I had to say, and that's always a good thing, isn't it?

Really Not All That Bright
10-12-2010, 08:57 AM
I did read the rest of what you had to say, and didn't find it much more insightful.

Morella
10-12-2010, 08:59 AM
What makes you think that the Tea Party embraces racism?People like you.

There you have the flaw in your logic, which, I suppose, is what I should concentrate on pointing out. I am not affiliated with the Tea Party in any way...I seriously doubt that they would want me...and so blaming the Tea Party for my comments is somewhat ludicrous, isn't it?

In fact, blaming the Tea Party for the comments of any individual, or small group, who claim to be affiliated with it, is ludicrous.

It's not the overwhelming stench of the rhetoric of David Duke or the hateful violence of the KKK, but it's the much more subtle, much more coded language of the people in the tea party.

Thank goodness the stench of Robert Byrd has finally been silenced, eh?

From idiocy of "diaperheads", your flippant use of the n word, and your inane broad brushing of black people as too stupid to understand the pandering of the democratic party and that they are too lazy to work hard, get an education, and better themselves.

Actually, what I said was that black people are getting smart and figuring it out, and are working to better themselves. It would be nice if liberal whites could do the same. As for "nigger", it's just a word. Try listening to ten seconds of urban rap music without hearing it.

And that's just you in this thread. When you add in the same kind of rhetoric at Tea Party events and the numerous Tea Party guys making inane comments or carrying race baiting signs, you have a fair amount of evidence. Sure they've prettied it up, hid it behind codewords and broad brushing, but it's there nonetheless. Call it prejudice, call it racism, call it conservatism, the label doesn't matter much to me. But it most certainly is ignorant, like you.

Have you ever been to a Tea Party event, or are you relying on quick shots and sound bytes from CNN?

Really Not All That Bright
10-12-2010, 09:04 AM
In fact, blaming the Tea Party for the comments of any individual, or small group, who claim to be affiliated with it, is ludicrous.
What about individuals or small groups which the major Tea Party associations have endorsed? Carl Paladino, for example.

Morella
10-12-2010, 09:11 AM
In fact, blaming the Tea Party for the comments of any individual, or small group, who claim to be affiliated with it, is ludicrous.
What about individuals or small groups which the major Tea Party associations have endorsed? Carl Paladino, for example.

I would say that Carl Paladino is the "Bill Clinton" of the Tea Party. A lot of people must be wishing that he would shut up.

Ludovic
10-12-2010, 09:13 AM
What about individuals or small groups which the major Tea Party associations have endorsed? Carl Paladino, for example.

I would say that Carl Paladino is the "Bill Clinton" of the Tea Party. A lot of people must be wishing that he would shut up.That much you're right about. Gives you more plausible deniability.

Scuba_Ben
10-12-2010, 09:17 AM
Because I'm pissed. In the American sense.

I see your problem!

(No, I have not read the rest of the thread.)

Hamlet
10-12-2010, 09:21 AM
There you have the flaw in your logic, which, I suppose, is what I should concentrate on pointing out. I am not affiliated with the Tea Party in any way...I seriously doubt that they would want me...and so blaming the Tea Party for my comments is somewhat ludicrous, isn't it?I wrote: "people like you", not YOU. It matters not one whit whether or not you're affiliated with the Tea Party, but rather that the Tea Party is full of people like you. Idiots. In fact, blaming the Tea Party for the comments of any individual, or small group, who claim to be affiliated with it, is ludicrous.One or two, I'd give you. Three, maybe. Four, possibly. But from the articles linked in this thread, from your posts, from the news accounts, the signs at the rallys, the actions of its leaders before they tried to mainstream, all are good evidence.
Actually, what I said was that black people are getting smart and figuring it out, and are working to better themselves. It would be nice if liberal whites could do the same.You still don't get it, do you? Don't worry, I think a vast majority of the Tea Partiers don't get it either. Statements that "black people are getting smart" and "working to better themselves" are simply prejudiced inanities, spouted by an ignoramous. The underlying assumptions, that "black people" are just now "getting smart and working to better themselves" and "liberal whites" aren't are simply divisive rhetoric that appeals to the stupid. No wonder they appeal to you. Try to look beyond the color of someone's skin, it will open up a whole new world for you.

As for "nigger", it's just a word. Try listening to ten seconds of urban rap music without hearing it.I think anyone who uses that term outside of specific exceptions is a mental incompetent. That includes you.

Have you ever been to a Tea Party event, or are you relying on quick shots and sound bytes from CNN?There are two lengthy articles in this thread alone. There are likewise dozens of other articles about interviews with people who show up at these events. There are photos of the leaders with racist signs, there's video of the interviews. There are all kinds of source material that I've read.

Really Not All That Bright
10-12-2010, 09:23 AM
What about individuals or small groups which the major Tea Party associations have endorsed? Carl Paladino, for example.

I would say that Carl Paladino is the "Bill Clinton" of the Tea Party. A lot of people must be wishing that he would shut up.
And yet the Tea Party Express hasn't withdrawn its endorsement, and nor have any other TP groups.

Vinyl Turnip
10-12-2010, 09:27 AM
I salute the new breed of conservative blacks who aren't buying into that bullshit.

Hear hear. And let's hope this line proves more robust, or it's back to the laboratory.

Bryan Ekers
10-12-2010, 09:29 AM
People like you.

There you have the flaw in your logic, which, I suppose, is what I should concentrate on pointing out. I am not affiliated with the Tea Party in any way...I seriously doubt that they would want me...

So they are racist?

Chicagojeff
10-12-2010, 09:35 AM
So, we can't judge the Tea Party by what its members say. And we can't judge the Tea Party by what its elected representatives say. So, what standard can we use to evaluate the Tea Party as a whole? To be honest, I don't know that there is one right now. :D

I think we'll just have to wait until it coalesces around some identifiable leader or leaders. Right now it's just a large group of people pissed off at the direction the country has been headed and the way it's been run. And not just during Obama's tenure, but for quite a long while.

See above.

Hating Obama? Not in my opinion, although plenty disapprove quite a lot of what he and congress have done over the last two years. But like I said to Miller, I think a lot of it goes back a long way.



Yeah.. and they just suddenly got interested when a Black guy got the corner office gig??
In the words of the great Bears Head Coach Mike Ditka.. 'Starving Artist? .. Who you crappin?"
One Tea Party candidate says Homosexuals are sick and dysfunctional and has sent out racist and horse fucking emails.. Another Tea Party beneficiary stated that she was a practicing witch as a teenager and stated that if Hitler came for Ann Frank she would turn the Frank family in.. Another standard bearer has said that Government assistance is technically illegal and then it was later revealed that his wife received unemployment insurance. Another stupid fuck supported by the Tea baggers has stated that instead of Medicare we should institute some sort of barter system for health care.. like when they use to trade a doctor for a chicken to come care for the sick..
You guys aren't fooling anyone. You are using these dumbfucks to get other dumbfucks to come vote for them. The only reason most of these dumbfucks even found their way to Washington was because a black dude won. Once you've used these dumbfucks to take back the stick you'll send them back to their trailer parks to enjoy their meth and oxy and figure out important issues like if Jeff Gordon is really a fag..

kaylasdad99
10-12-2010, 09:39 AM
You might want to come in again...

Shot From Guns
10-12-2010, 09:40 AM
For all you teabaggers out there, tell me, which of these programs should the Tea Party officially adopt as a platform:
-- Reduce the size of the military
-- Reduce Social Security benefits while leaving taxes intact
-- Reduce medicaid benefits while leaving taxes intact

I'm going to go with:

4.) Cut taxes for the rich, raise taxes on the poor and middle class, and cut government benefits to everyone but the rich and corporations.

What makes you think that the Tea Party embraces racism?

Oh, I dunno. Stuff like this, maybe?

Personally, I blame the diaperheads [for the Iraq war]
The race baiting that has been going on with Obama is disgusting.
Sometimes I wonder if Obama was deliberately put into the White House just to make sure that no black man has a chance of becoming president again in our lifetime.
[The Democratic Party tells] black people that the reason that they are down economically is because white people are keeping them in their place. That is most certainly horse shit, but they go along with it because it is easier than working hard, getting an education, and bettering themselves.
As for "nigger", it's just a word. Try listening to ten seconds of urban rap music without hearing it.

I'd say the irony is astonishing, but it's actually exactly what I'd expect from a fucking teabagger, and thus not ironic at all.

Snowboarder Bo
10-12-2010, 09:44 AM
People like you.

There you have the flaw in your logic, which, I suppose, is what I should concentrate on pointing out. I am not affiliated with the Tea Party in any way...

Except for all the time you spend advocating for them online, you mean.

You're a fucking liar.

Dob
10-12-2010, 09:52 AM
An actual email chain between my mother and myself:

Her:
"Also the healthcare, is not good enough for them, but for us serfs it will do, if you are going to change things then it should come from the top down. Then one of the Dems talking about immigration, saying there is a student going to school in college (on tax payers) so he can become a citizen, but excuse me, why doesn't he just take the test like other immigrants have? Why are things all of a sudden different for them and not generations before them. It costs about $300 dollars to take the test, so waive that and let them study like all the rest of them did and swear allegiance to America. Stop bringing the mexican Flag and flying it all over and then burn ours and step on it. If you want to become a legal American then leave what your trying to escape from back where you came from! They should have to obey the Laws of this Land, just as we have to do in any other country, especially mexico. Muslims want tolerance, yet show none to others in their lands, they kill Christians because of their beliefs, so why should we show tolerance for their "Laws" in America. Two years ago, I was not aware of all these things, but by god I am now and I will not back down but will encourage and talk and write and push back as much as I can."

ME:
I'm not asking you to "back down", passion is good. I just hate ignorance. Be mad, but be informed first. This democrat=bad black and white thing you have going isn't helpful or productive. It's just going to make you even more pissed when things don't' pan out the way you have been led to believe.

Come November there wont be some big uprising, no repeals, nothing. just people doing what they think they should. I mean the democrats control all faces of government now and yet the Patriot Act wasn't repealed, Gitmo isn't closed, Dont ask dont Tell is still a law... Know why? Because somethings are good even if you wished they weren't.

HER:
Maybe I think your way of thinking is ignorant, did you ever think of that? Yes I find MY Thing, very helpful, its made me question and realize what is happening today is not what a majority of Americans wanted, including me!!!! Like I said I do not expect everything to change in one election, it took a lot more then that to get us here....I have high hopes that we can stop this madness before we become Europe before they dropped the Socialism!


You just can't fight this type of "passion" with logic. I firmly believe this will be the norm for the republican white population until a white man/women is in the oval office.

Morella
10-12-2010, 09:58 AM
I wrote: "people like you", not YOU. It matters not one whit whether or not you're affiliated with the Tea Party, but rather that the Tea Party is full of people like you.

You think you know me, do you? Or are you snapping to conclusions based on reading a day's worth of my silly comments? Is that not the behaviour of an idiot?

Granted, I can see how the "diaperhead" comment would be insulting to some people, especially people like my grandparents, but what the hell...they're dead. What is your beef with it? Are you Muslim? Or do you just feel an aching in your loins to defend people who put laundry on their heads?

Idiots. One or two, I'd give you. Three, maybe. Four, possibly. But from the articles linked in this thread, from your posts, from the news accounts, the signs at the rallys, the actions of its leaders before they tried to mainstream, all are good evidence.

How many of their rallies did you have to attend to reach your conclusion?

You still don't get it, do you? Don't worry, I think a vast majority of the Tea Partiers don't get it either.

The only way to know would be to talk to them.

Statements that "black people are getting smart" and "working to better themselves" are simply prejudiced inanities, spouted by an ignoramous. The underlying assumptions, that "black people" are just now "getting smart and working to better themselves" and "liberal whites" aren't are simply divisive rhetoric that appeals to the stupid. No wonder they appeal to you. Try to look beyond the color of someone's skin, it will open up a whole new world for you.

What color skin should I look at? I'm seeing a lovely shade of brown in the mirror.

I think anyone who uses that term outside of specific exceptions is a mental incompetent. That includes you.

And what exceptions do the rules of your little world allow? For instance, would it be OK for me to say nigger, if I flunked the paper bag test?

There are two lengthy articles in this thread alone. There are likewise dozens of other articles about interviews with people who show up at these events. There are photos of the leaders with racist signs, there's video of the interviews. There are all kinds of source material that I've read.

An unbiased opinion would be useful. I would suggest attending one of the Tea Party rallies, if you feel strongly about it; however, you might be the wrong color to attend one in Mississippi or Memphis. Dey ain't nuttin' but eyes and teeth in da night, baby! Dig?

Morella
10-12-2010, 10:10 AM
Looks like they're fueling me now, time to go back to work, so I will have to leave you with some links to "both" of the black people in the Tea Party. I'm sure they can speak for themselves...black folks are pretty smart these days.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/lloyd-marcus-tea-party-blog/2010/oct/08/lloyd-marcus-tea-party

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1CLPhz0DHM

http://www.google.com/images?q=black+tea+party&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7TSHB&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=TXm0TPb4D4bGlQebqM3DCg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=5&ved=0CEAQsAQwBA&biw=1047&bih=558

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38558455/

Shalom, shucran, salut!

E-Sabbath
10-12-2010, 10:14 AM
An unbiased opinion would be useful. I would suggest attending one of the Tea Party rallies, if you feel strongly about it; however, you might be the wrong color to attend one in Mississippi or Memphis. Dey ain't nuttin' but eyes and teeth in da night, baby! Dig?
Wow. Seriously, wow. Where the hell are you from that your mother raised you to talk like that?

Also...
http://photos.thememphisteaparty.com/GalleryThumbnails.aspx?gallery=204343

Hamlet
10-12-2010, 10:35 AM
You think you know me, do you? Or are you snapping to conclusions based on reading a day's worth of my silly comments?Yes. That's all I'm going on, what you've posted here. That's kinda what happens on message boards. Maybe in real life you're an intelligent, well spoken, un-prejudiced brain surgeon with a 7 figure income. But here, on this message board, you appear to be an ignorant, prejudiced fuckwit who is wasting my time.

Granted, I can see how the "diaperhead" comment would be insulting to some people, especially people like my grandparents, but what the hell...they're dead. What is your beef with it? Are you Muslim? Or do you just feel an aching in your loins to defend people who put laundry on their heads?You ever see Monsters Inc.? There's a throw away line where two monsters are making a bit of a fools of themselves, and one turns to the other and tells him "You're making it worse!!!!"

Can't imagine why that popped into my head.

And what exceptions do the rules of your little world allow? For one, when discussing the history and effect of the word itself. For another, using it to tell some lying sack of internet trollling loser that using that word makes them look like a blithering idiot.

An unbiased opinion would be useful. I would suggest attending one of the Tea Party rallies, if you feel strongly about it; however, you might be the wrong color to attend one in Mississippi or Memphis. Dey ain't nuttin' but eyes and teeth in da night, baby! Dig?You don't need any help digging. That hole you're in is getting deeper and deeper every time you post.

BrainGlutton
10-12-2010, 10:43 AM
How come every Tea Partier who makes an offensive remark gets labeled a "champion" or "hero" of the Tea Party around here? The Tea Party is made up of millions of people with a wide range of opinions, beliefs, backgrounds, education and income levels. But let one person at a Tea Party rally or one candidate say something offensive, or foolish, or hold up a wrongly worded sign, and immediately they become the personification of the Tea Party.

Why is that, I facetiously wonder?

:dubious: Carl "Horse Porn" Paladino (yes, that is now his legal name) is a Tea Party candidate. For the governorship of a major state. If he cannot speak as a TP representative, then, pray do tell us, just hypothetically speaking, the names of some persons or entities whom you would recognize as speaking for the movement, such that the plausible deniability outlined above does not apply.

Because if nobody can speak for the TP to its discredit, then nobody can speak for the TP to its credit either -- can anyone?

Euphonious Polemic
10-12-2010, 11:01 AM
On the internet, everyone (even the women!) has a 10 inch penis, is 6 foot 4, can kick your ass, and has an IQ of 145.

And tea-bag supporters can change their color at a whim!

No, I don't believe that our new poster Morella is any shade of brown, and strongly suspect that he/she has been in before in another incarnation.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Strassia
10-12-2010, 11:03 AM
Since the Tea Party is a diverse movement with many nuanced beliefs, and not a socially conservative group who want to oppose the current Democratic administration without having to address how bad the last Republican administration was, can anyone point to any socially liberal candidates endorsed by any Tea Party group? And by socially liberal, I mean pro SSM, pro-choice, and for repealing DADT, since all three of those are things that reduce government reach into people's private lives and do not increase government spending.

Vinyl Turnip
10-12-2010, 11:11 AM
Also...
http://photos.thememphisteaparty.com/GalleryThumbnails.aspx?gallery=204343

Wow, is that a Tea Party or the Million Man March?

SteveG1
10-12-2010, 11:17 AM
To hell with the Tea Party. Cowards, phonies, hypocrites, and leeches sucking dollars from any government handout system they can.

Euphonious Polemic
10-12-2010, 11:25 AM
Since the Tea Party is a diverse movement with many nuanced beliefs, and not a socially conservative group who want to oppose the current Democratic administration without having to address how bad the last Republican administration was, can anyone point to any socially liberal candidates endorsed by any Tea Party group? And by socially liberal, I mean pro SSM, pro-choice, and for repealing DADT, since all three of those are things that reduce government reach into people's private lives and do not increase government spending.

Thank you for this.

Yes, please just point out one example of a socially liberal tea party candidate. And no, we do not want to pay $20/cite, and no, we will not accept "it's obvious that there are hundreds", and no, we will not accept the premise that liberals made the tea party candidates act stupid.

One. Single. Example.

Czarcasm
10-12-2010, 12:30 PM
Also...
http://photos.thememphisteaparty.com/GalleryThumbnails.aspx?gallery=204343

Wow, is that a Tea Party or the Million Man March?I just went through that whole photo gallery. I also checked the population figures for Memphis:
Non-Hispanic White- 29.5%
Black or African American- 62.6%

Can one of you "The Tea Party isn't racist!" apologists explain the disparity between your claim and the facts?

Vinyl Turnip
10-12-2010, 12:36 PM
lol U can totally tell its fake by teh pixels. I've seen a few photoshops in my life!!!@

Really Not All That Bright
10-12-2010, 12:39 PM
Wow, is that a Tea Party or the Million Man March?I just went through that whole photo gallery. I also checked the population figures for Memphis:
Non-Hispanic White- 29.5%
Black or African American- 62.6%

Can one of you "The Tea Party isn't racist!" apologists explain the disparity between your claim and the facts?
I'm not sure that's a valid argument. There aren't any black people at hockey games, either, but it doesn't mean the NHL is racist.

Trion
10-12-2010, 12:44 PM
Yes, please just point out one example of a socially liberal tea party candidate. And no, we do not want to pay $20/cite, and no, we will not accept "it's obvious that there are hundreds", and no, we will not accept the premise that liberals made the tea party candidates act stupid.

One. Single. Example.

I think he's going to need a lamp.

Wait! I think I know who can lend him one!

Merijeek
10-12-2010, 12:45 PM
An unbiased opinion would be useful. I would suggest attending one of the Tea Party rallies, if you feel strongly about it; however, you might be the wrong color to attend one in Mississippi or Memphis. Dey ain't nuttin' but eyes and teeth in da night, baby! Dig?
Wow. Seriously, wow. Where the hell are you from that your mother raised you to talk like that?

Also...
http://photos.thememphisteaparty.com/GalleryThumbnails.aspx?gallery=204343

The point of that gallery was to...

1) So that I could look through the first 60 pictures and see nothing but honkeys

2) Chuckle at the woman from the growing Cult of Anger that was holding up a sign about "Koolaid"

3) Say hi to Opal?


I'm not sure that's a valid argument. There aren't any black people at hockey games, either, but it doesn't mean the NHL is racist.

No, but it does put paid to the claim that "there's lots of black folks in the stands at a hockey game!!!1!".

-Joe

Ludovic
10-12-2010, 12:51 PM
Yes, please just point out one example of a socially liberal tea party candidate. And no, we do not want to pay $20/cite, and no, we will not accept "it's obvious that there are hundreds", and no, we will not accept the premise that liberals made the tea party candidates act stupid.

One. Single. Example.

I think he's going to need a lamp.

Wait! I think I know who can lend him one!Someone lend an amber lamp!

elucidator
10-12-2010, 12:56 PM
Is the lamp to be handed over, or thrust into?

Trion
10-12-2010, 01:04 PM
OK, now I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

Miller
10-12-2010, 01:09 PM
Fuck you, titwit.

Just a reminder, sexual-based insults aimed at other posters are against the rules of the forum. Please don't do this again.

No warning issued.

SteveG1
10-12-2010, 01:21 PM
OK, now I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

It sarted with a reference to Diogenes - he walked through the night with a lamp, looking for one (just one) honest man. Then it switched tracks to Amber Lamps. That was a reference to a video of some old guys fighting on the bus - Amber Lamps vs Epic beard Man.

There ya go. All caught up :)

Trion
10-12-2010, 01:29 PM
It sarted with a reference to Diogenes - he walked through the night with a lamp, looking for one (just one) honest man. Then it switched tracks to Amber Lamps. That was a reference to a video of some old guys fighting on the bus - Amber Lamps vs Epic beard Man.

There ya go. All caught up :)

Yeah, I caught the first reference (I made it after all). The video was completely unknown to me before now. I guess I'm better with the ancient greek philosophy references and not so good with modern internet memes.

E-Sabbath
10-12-2010, 01:51 PM
Wow. Seriously, wow. Where the hell are you from that your mother raised you to talk like that?

Also...
http://photos.thememphisteaparty.com/GalleryThumbnails.aspx?gallery=204343

The point of that gallery was to...

1) So that I could look through the first 60 pictures and see nothing but honkeys


The 'eyes and teeth' line is a strong statement that the Tea Partiers in those states are largely black. The photo gallery is pretty strong evidence that statement is false. Mississippi's gallery is password protected, but the images on the site itself are similar in nature.

sqweels
10-12-2010, 02:17 PM
Enter the Tea Party, with the message...we need conservatives, not necessarily Republicans in Congress. I have no argument with that.
To put a stop to the dreaded homosexual agenda, right?

Starving Artist
10-12-2010, 02:52 PM
Have you lost your mind? Long ago, but it's not really relevant here.Not relevant perhaps, but certainly obvious.

Not tellin'Because you're holding an empty sack, perhaps?

Already addressed (thank you tagos)Okay then, two empty sacks.

Fuck you, titwit. I never invited YOU to participate... May I point out that what you may or may not invite me to has absolutely no significance whatever. Sort of like yourself.

Now GIT!Hah! How utterly geezerey of you! Makes 'Get off my lawn' sound positively hip.

Now, go-on! That hypen, I do not think it goes where you think it goes. :D

Git!Not a chance, chum(p). Not a chance.

Robot Arm
10-12-2010, 03:22 PM
You're being awfully selective in the posts you respond to, Starv. There are a couple of genuine questions posed to you in this thread. Care to go back and try to address those?

SteveG1
10-12-2010, 03:23 PM
Enter the Tea Party, with the message...we need conservatives, not necessarily Republicans in Congress. I have no argument with that.
To put a stop to the dreaded homosexual agenda, right?
And bring back our christian nation, where God's laws (I wonder who gets to pick and choose) will take precedence over the Constitution and laws "of men". Where government will stay out of healthcare, but give my my medicare, medicaid, and social security. Where young people will jump to fight in wars, when I myself hid from the draft and never served in any capacity, military or civilian. Where I can brandish my guns and talk about "second Amendment" solutions to the "nigger in the White House", but anyone who talks about "my" boy W is a traitor.

Starving Artist
10-12-2010, 03:31 PM
To be honest, I don't know that there is one right now. :D

I think we'll just have to wait until it coalesces around some identifiable leader or leaders. Right now it's just a large group of people pissed off at the direction the country has been headed and the way it's been run. And not just during Obama's tenure, but for quite a long while.

See above.

Not in my opinion, although plenty disapprove quite a lot of what he and congress have done over the last two years. But like I said to Miller, I think a lot of it goes back a long way.Yeah.. and they just suddenly got interested when a Black guy got the corner office gig??More like they got interested once a faux-moderate got into office and instantly started governing like the full-blown liberal that he really is, accompanied by an arrogant, out of control congress knowingly defying the will of the people.

And as to why now, I'd say it's that this administration and congress have been the straw that broke the camel's back. My impression is that most Tea Partiers have been unhappy with the direction this country has been headed for a long time and Obama plus Reid and Pelosi's congress have finally pushed them over the edge.

Guys like you may like to pretend the problem is Obama's race, or you might even actually believe it. But the real problem is and has been throughout his administration that the government has tried to take the country much further to the left than it wants to go - which is to say 'not at all', given that in reality this is a center-right country.

Guys like you might like to pretend the problem is Obama's race, or you might even actually believe it. But the real problem is and has been throughout Obama's administration that the government has tried to take the country much further to the left than it wants, which is to say 'not at all' given that in reality this is a center-right country and you guys only got elected because you 'weren't Bush'. But that's okay. While you guys continue to wander around in the wilderness seeking one true non-racist and looking down your noses at everyone you think doesn't fill that role, we'll be keeping our eyes on the ball and taking away the keys to the car that you've been driving with such abandon and arrogance since the last election. Most every sixteen-year-old knows that if you want Daddy to let you drive the car, you're going to have to drive it the way he wants. You guys just ain't been doin' that and now you're about to lose your driving priviliges.

Really Not All That Bright
10-12-2010, 03:39 PM
Yeah.. and they just suddenly got interested when a Black guy got the corner office gig??More like they got interested once a faux-moderate got into office and instantly started governing like the full-blown liberal that he really is, accompanied by an arrogant, out of control congress knowingly defying the will of the people.
In your alternate universe, does it rain?

BrainGlutton
10-12-2010, 03:50 PM
Yeah.. and they just suddenly got interested when a Black guy got the corner office gig??More like they got interested once a faux-moderate got into office and instantly started governing like the full-blown liberal that he really is, accompanied by an arrogant, out of control congress knowingly defying the will of the people.

Not even you believe those unutterably stupid lies. Obama has moved far to the right since he took office. He has turned out to be just another Bill Clinton -- which ain't bad, but it ain't what his supporters thought they were campaigning for, either. Any disappointment you see is for that reason alone.

Starving Artist
10-12-2010, 03:55 PM
Guys like you may like to pretend the problem is Obama's race, or you might even actually believe it. But the real problem is and has been throughout his administration that the government has tried to take the country much further to the left than it wants to go - which is to say 'not at all', given that in reality this is a center-right country.

Guys like you might like to pretend the problem is Obama's race, or you might even actually believe it. But the real problem is and has been throughout Obama's administration that the government has tried to take the country much further to the left than it wants, which is to say 'not at all' given that in reality this is a center-right country and you guys only got elected because you 'weren't Bush'. But that's okay. While you guys continue to wander around in the wilderness seeking one true non-racist and looking down your noses at everyone you think doesn't fill that role, we'll be keeping our eyes on the ball and taking away the keys to the car that you've been driving with such abandon and arrogance since the last election. Most every sixteen-year-old knows that if you want Daddy to let you drive the car, you're going to have to drive it the way he wants. You guys just ain't been doin' that and now you're about to lose your driving priviliges.Damn! Sometimes editing is not my friend. My apologies.

elucidator
10-12-2010, 04:03 PM
Well, golly, if this is a cernter right country, how come you guys lose so often? Ought to have a comfortable majority just about everywhere, but the righty guy won the 2000 popular vote by minus half a million. Barely squeeked in 2004, got killed in 2006, double killed in 2008. And this after your team pulled just about every dirty trick in the book.

You and the Tea Party share a poltiical myth, that they represent the "real" Ameicans, that they and you represent the silent majority, that really these election results are just a trick by a non-existent liberal media. In truth, the country is dominated by the Apathy Party. Apathy and hopelessness are far worse an enemy that the rightarded.

Taking the long view, over the forty odd years I've been in this game, how come you're losing? How come the ideals that I espoused then and expouse now, ideas that used to be radical and extreme, are growing increasingly centrist? If I'm losing, what are you bitching about all the time? If I'm losing, how come you're not winning? Wheres the comfortable majority of a center-right nation, how come you gotta fight dirty all the time? How come your hopes are riding on a crop of nutbars and extremist loons? If this were truly a center-right country, the corporatist conservatives wouldn't need to make these unholy alliances, and moderate Republicans would still have some power. Instead of cringing before the onslaught, offering lip service to putrid positions that would gag a maggot.

You are as coy as a blushing maiden of old, Starving. You won't actually defend the Tea Party extremists, so you attack their attackers. So, tell us: what parts of the Tea Party agenda fill you with pride? The anti-gay stuff? The anti-Muslim stuff? The fundamentalist stuff? Would you vote for someone who wanted to make teaching evolution illegal? Would you vote for a man who wanted a sexualilty test for school teachers, that they must prove they walk the straight and narrow when they walk to the bedroom?

Instead of telling us what you don't like about us, tell us what you like about them.

And oh, by the way, about Daddy's car. Its not his car. Its ours.

BrainGlutton
10-12-2010, 04:05 PM
Damn! Sometimes editing is not my friend. My apologies.

That is like saying that the problem with the Titanic was the arrangement of deck chairs.

villa
10-12-2010, 04:17 PM
Well, golly, if this is a cernter right country, how come you guys lose so often?

Illegal immigration. Gays recruiting. And I am sure the Jews are involved somehow. They always are.

Merijeek
10-12-2010, 04:21 PM
You're being awfully selective in the posts you respond to, Starv. There are a couple of genuine questions posed to you in this thread. Care to go back and try to address those?

Oh, stop pretending that it's a real, thinking person already.

-Joe

user_hostile
10-12-2010, 04:25 PM
Granted, I can see how the "diaperhead" comment would be insulting to some people, especially people like my grandparents, but what the hell...they're dead.

You think your grandparents would be honored that you said this? Were they abusive? Or mean-spirited?

I just don't get the coolness factor of dissing your blood relatives. How cool would be if your grand-kids called you "sand-nigger?"

Robot Arm
10-12-2010, 04:25 PM
And as to why now, I'd say it's that this administration and congress have been the straw that broke the camel's back.So, where exactly is the tipping point, what was the last straw? Is it a certain level of debt, or deficits for some number of years in a row? What line did we step over to provoke this righteous anger?

C'mon, give us something we can measure. Nail your colors to the mast. But remember that this place has a long memory; and next time Republicans are in power and say "deficits don't matter", your words will still be here.

My impression is that most Tea Partiers have been unhappy with the direction this country has been headed for a long time and Obama plus Reid and Pelosi's congress have finally pushed them over the edge.It's ridiculous to think that this country has only gone in one direction. From 2001-2007*, the country moved hard to the right. Now there have been a couple steps to the left and you claim that there's been some long-simmering pot that just boiled over? I'm not buying it.


Let's not kid ourselves about 1993-2001, either. If this is some long-term trend, does anybody think today's Tea Partiers were happier under Clinton than George W. Bush?

Shot From Guns
10-12-2010, 04:34 PM
Are you Muslim? Or do you just feel an aching in your loins to defend people who put laundry on their heads?

Silly me, and all these years I thought that it was Sikh men who are known for wearing turbans, not Muslims. Oh wait, it is.

I'm not sure that's a valid argument. There aren't any black people at hockey games, either, but it doesn't mean the NHL is racist.

The hockey game doesn't run the country. Presumably, if a political movement neglects to attract an audience with a particular group that is relatively representative of its area demographics, there's something going on.

You're being awfully selective in the posts you respond to, Starv. There are a couple of genuine questions posed to you in this thread. Care to go back and try to address those?

Of course he doesn't.

More like they got interested once a faux-moderate got into office and instantly started governing like the full-blown liberal that he really is

This is the most hilariously dead fucking wrong thing I've read in at least a month. I mean, you almost literally reversed the situation.

SteveG1
10-12-2010, 04:40 PM
Granted, I can see how the "diaperhead" comment would be insulting to some people, especially people like my grandparents, but what the hell...they're dead.

You think your grandparents would be honored that you said this? Were they abusive? Or mean-spirited?

I just don't get the coolness factor of dissing your blood relatives. How cool would be if your grand-kids called you "sand-nigger?"

Whatever. Now we know his background. He's not a real American. He may be Muslim himself. He should get out of our country. He doesn't belong here. :dubious:

elucidator
10-12-2010, 04:44 PM
Oh, really? I missed that part, I only recall him being cutie-pie coy about his ethnicity, building up to the point where he would astonish and devastate us with the revelation. Guess he thought somebody would care.

SteveG1
10-12-2010, 04:56 PM
Oh, really? I missed that part, I only recall him being cutie-pie coy about his ethnicity, building up to the point where he would astonish and devastate us with the revelation. Guess he thought somebody would care.

Aha!!! Exactly!!! We don't like none o' them cutie pie types neither!!!

Robot Arm
10-12-2010, 04:59 PM
You're being awfully selective in the posts you respond to, Starv. There are a couple of genuine questions posed to you in this thread. Care to go back and try to address those?

Oh, stop pretending that it's a real, thinking person already.Well, some people respond to SA's obstinacy with insults. I take the opposite approach. (Even defended him once when I thought the insults got out of line.) He even insulted me once. I at least like to put the lie to his claims that he only fights back when provoked.

elucidator
10-12-2010, 04:59 PM
....We don't like none o' them cutie pie types neither!!!

I like the ones with poor eyesight and/or low standards.

emacknight
10-12-2010, 05:01 PM
Well, golly, if this is a cernter right country, how come you guys lose so often?

Illegal immigration. Gays recruiting. And I am sure the Jews are involved somehow. They always are.

Don't forget ACORN, and all that voter fraud.

And I'm sure the liberals some how confused conservatives on many more issues than just evolution. I bet if you looked, you'd find that post conservatives thought thy were voting AGAINST Obama, what with all that complicated language we tend to use.

elucidator
10-12-2010, 05:02 PM
...Well, some people respond to SA's obstinacy with insults. I take the opposite approach....

I saw that! The Horse's Ass Whisperer, right?

emacknight
10-12-2010, 05:04 PM
More like they got interested once a faux-moderate got into office and instantly started governing like the full-blown liberal that he really is

This is the most hilariously dead fucking wrong thing I've read in at least a month. I mean, you almost literally reversed the situation.

Really? Is that the first thread of his you've read? Cause there are 750 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?searchid=5789308) more just like that.

elucidator
10-12-2010, 05:05 PM
...Don't forget ACORN, and all that voter fraud.

And I'm sure the liberals some how confused conservatives on many more issues than just evolution. I bet if you looked, you'd find that post conservatives thought thy were voting AGAINST Obama, what with all that complicated language we tend to use.

Nice work, Mack! Any cats still left in the bag, or have you let them all out already? Those memos were marked Top Secret! Report for self-criticism.

Bryan Ekers
10-12-2010, 05:38 PM
So who in the tea party movement actually speaks for the tea party movement, Starving Artist? I know I already asked that, but perhaps you missed it.

silenus
10-12-2010, 05:58 PM
Arthur: Then who is your lord?

Dennis' Mother: We don't have a lord.

Arthur: What?!

Dennis: I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as sort-of-executive officer for the week...

Arthur: Yes.

Dennis: ... But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting...

Arthur: Yes, I see.

Dennis:... by a simple majority, in the case of purely internal affairs...

Arthur: [getting bored] Be quiet.

Dennis:... but by a two thirds majority, in the case of more major —

Arthur: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!

Dennis' Mother: Order, eh? Who does he think he is?

Starving Artist
10-12-2010, 06:37 PM
Oh, stop pretending that it's a real, thinking person already.Well, some people respond to SA's obstinacy with insults. I take the opposite approach. (Even defended him once when I thought the insults got out of line.) He even insulted me once. I at least like to put the lie to his claims that he only fights back when provoked.Yeah, all in all you're not a bad guy. And I do try to make it a policy not to insult individual posters unless they've insulted me first, so if you want to point to the instance where I insulted you, and if it wasn't preceeded by an insult of some sort to me, I would be happy to apologize to you for it.

As for why my general posting style is the way it is, take a look at how squeels and SteveG1 portray conservatives in post 181. This board is full of posters saying shit like that, and no one here on this board, allegedly devoted to fighting ignorance, ever calls them down for it. So, just to make sure that no one comes to develop the belief that these guys must be right because no one refutes them, I do...and in kind. And why in kind? Because it's utterly, uttlery impossible to have a civilized discussion about politics around here that even begins to stray from the liberal party line, with any attempt to do so immediately swamped by twenty posters shouting the most ridiculous kinds of bullshit. So just to make sure that my points get heard above the din and that liberalism and the consequences of it don't get a free pass, I post the way I do. It isn't a style I prefer in my personal life but it's the one I've found most effective around here.

Starving Artist
10-12-2010, 06:51 PM
So who in the tea party movement actually speaks for the tea party movement, Starving Artist? I know I already asked that, but perhaps you missed it.I didn't miss it, I ignored it. And I ignored because I've already answered it. You presume that there must be some specific spokesman for the Tea Party and there simply isn't. As the link I posted from Wikipedia says, the Tea Party movement "has no central leadership but is a loose affiliation of smaller local groups". This may be frustrating to people on your side because it deprives you of someone to zero in on and criticize, but there you have it. There simply is no one person at this time who is the acknowledged leader of or spokesperson for the Tea Party.

Bryan Ekers
10-12-2010, 06:52 PM
Can I get a post number? I must have missed it.

So your claim is that the tea party has no center, no focus, no central platform?

Okay, seems to me out of simple randomness some of them must be praising Obama and criticizing Bush43, then.

Starving Artist
10-12-2010, 06:55 PM
Sure. Post 133.

As for the rest of your post, that's not what I've claimed but it's essentially correct. And there may well be some random members who like Obama but are unhappy with congress or vice versa. But the main point is that there is no acknowledged leader or spokesperson for the Tea Party at this time.

kaylasdad99
10-12-2010, 06:58 PM
Oh, really? I missed that part, I only recall him being cutie-pie coy about his ethnicity, building up to the point where he would astonish and devastate us with the revelation. Guess he thought somebody would care.

Aha!!! Exactly!!! We don't like none o' them cutie pie types neither!!!Scooter Pies (http://www.flickr.com/photos/60585948@N00/589038121/) are okay, though.

Bryan Ekers
10-12-2010, 07:08 PM
Sure. Post 133.

As for the rest of your post, that's not what I've claimed but it's essentially correct. And there may well be some random members who like Obama but are unhappy with congress or vice versa. But the main point is that there is no acknowledged leader or spokesperson for the Tea Party at this time.

Then who, if anyone, is in a position to say what is a valid tea party position and what isn't? If it's nobody, then is it fair to consider them a viable political force at all?

Robot Arm
10-12-2010, 07:11 PM
so if you want to point to the instance where I insulted you, and if it wasn't preceeded by an insult of some sort to me, I would be happy to apologize to you for it.*Sigh* No it isn't dumbass. In free enterprise, companies have to make a profit to stay in business. The government is under no such constraint.

I can't believe you are actually this stupid. Please tell me you're just responding reflexively and without thinking it through...Oh, wait, that's pretty much what liberals are known for anyway, isn't it? :DI can't cite that I didn't insult you before that, but you're welcome to look.

As for why my general posting style is the way it is, take a look at how squeels and SteveG1 portray conservatives in post 181. This board is full of posters saying shit like that, and no one here on this board, allegedly devoted to fighting ignorance, ever calls them down for it.There is no Solomon here; no impartial referee to hold everyone to an unmavering standard of truth and integrity. And even if such a person could exist, would anyone here defer to his opinion?

No, what we've got is a user agreement and a line that keeps things mostly civilized. Apart from that, the best anyone can hope for is to enter the fray, fight the good fight, and take their chances.

It isn't a style I prefer in my personal life but it's the one I've found most effective around here.Effective? How many people have you convinced so far?

kaylasdad99
10-12-2010, 07:21 PM
He's convinced me to stop reading his posts...

BrainGlutton
10-12-2010, 07:23 PM
Relevant to the OP: (http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/10/05/tea-party-is-much-like-the-religious-right-only-moreso-surve/)

The common view that the Tea Party movement is a rebellious, libertarian threat not only to the Republican establishment but also to traditional Christian conservatives is upended by a new survey that shows a broad overlap between the religious right and voters who identify with the Tea Party.

For example, nearly half (47 percent) of Americans who consider themselves members of the Tea Party movement also consider themselves part of the "Christian conservative movement," and among the more than 8 in 10 Tea Partiers who identify as Christian, nearly 6 in 10 (57 percent) also consider themselves part of the Christian conservative movement.

The biennial American Values Survey, released in Washington on Tuesday, was conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) and shows that two-thirds of Tea Partiers say abortion should be illegal in all or most cases, while 45 percent say there should be no legal recognition for same-sex relationships. That is hardly the profile of a libertarian fringe and more closely reflects the Republican base.

Cisco
10-12-2010, 07:36 PM
The common view that the Tea Party movement is a rebellious, libertarian threat not only to the Republican establishment but also to traditional Christian conservatives is upended by a new survey that shows a broad overlap between the religious right and voters who identify with the Tea Party.
Well, I am shocked. SHOCKED. As shocked as I was when Clay Aiken came out of the closet.

Remember when all the press was "but they're NOT socially conservative!"? Yeah. Just completely shocked that that was a lie. My whole worldview has been shattered.

Now imagine me making the blankest face possible.

SteveG1
10-12-2010, 07:36 PM
:dubious: Carl "Horse Porn" Paladino (yes, that is now his legal name) is a Tea Party candidate. For the governorship of a major state. ...?
Henceforth and forever, I shall pronounce his name Palomino.

SteveG1
10-12-2010, 07:40 PM
It sarted with a reference to Diogenes - he walked through the night with a lamp, looking for one (just one) honest man. Then it switched tracks to Amber Lamps. That was a reference to a video of some old guys fighting on the bus - Amber Lamps vs Epic beard Man.

There ya go. All caught up :)

Yeah, I caught the first reference (I made it after all). The video was completely unknown to me before now. I guess I'm better with the ancient greek philosophy references and not so good with modern internet memes.
The Diogenes story was a better one. Amber Lamps and Epic Beard was just two old, stupid losers trying to fight and mostly proving that they both are old, stupid losers

SteveG1
10-12-2010, 07:50 PM
Well, some people respond to SA's obstinacy with insults. I take the opposite approach. (Even defended him once when I thought the insults got out of line.) He even insulted me once. I at least like to put the lie to his claims that he only fights back when provoked.Yeah, all in all you're not a bad guy. And I do try to make it a policy not to insult individual posters unless they've insulted me first, so if you want to point to the instance where I insulted you, and if it wasn't preceeded by an insult of some sort to me, I would be happy to apologize to you for it.

As for why my general posting style is the way it is, take a look at how squeels and SteveG1 portray conservatives in post 181. This board is full of posters saying shit like that, and no one here on this board, allegedly devoted to fighting ignorance, ever calls them down for it. So, just to make sure that no one comes to develop the belief that these guys must be right because no one refutes them, I do...and in kind. And why in kind? Because it's utterly, utterly impossible to have a civilized discussion about politics around here that even begins to stray from the liberal party line, with any attempt to do so immediately swamped by twenty posters shouting the most ridiculous kinds of bullshit. So just to make sure that my points get heard above the din and that liberalism and the consequences of it don't get a free pass, I post the way I do. It isn't a style I prefer in my personal life but it's the one I've found most effective around here.

I give no apologies. You have no points, just tired lame talking points that get trotted out too often. You conveniently forget the many "conservatives" who would regularly trot out the traitor get out kick your ass bullshit, don't you. You conveniently forget the endless instances many of us have wasted our time in the past disproving all the bullshit that gets spewed over and over again. To hell with searching and sorting and organizing the "cites again. Say whatever crazy dumb ass shit you want. I will do the same. Fight ignorance? After regurgitating the same shit year after year, and ignoring contrary cites year after year, I'm not going to bother. It's just the same tired shit all over again.

SteveG1
10-12-2010, 07:54 PM
Well, I am shocked. SHOCKED. As shocked as I was when Clay Aiken came out of the closet.

Remember when all the press was "but they're NOT socially conservative!"? Yeah. Just completely shocked that that was a lie. My whole worldview has been shattered.

Now imagine me making the blankest face possible.

I'm shocked too. Who could have imagined such a thing. It was like finding out water is wet.

This is my I don't believe it face.

elucidator
10-12-2010, 08:11 PM
I think the incoherence of the Tea Party is a strength for them. They have not established an agenda, they have not established priorities. The pro-life crowd, the serious edge, doesn't give a rats patoot about anything else. Socialized medicine? No problem if abortions are outlawed under socialized medicine. If you offered to raise all taxes by ten percent to fund an employment program for gay whales, and it included an absolute ban on abortions, they would turn out in droves.

An agenda means prioriities. A lack of cohesion means that all the Tea Partiers can feel included in the huge massive grassroots movement, so long as they don't feel that their own special Betty Noyer is slighted, and can convince themselves that they larger movement holds that issue to be as important as they do.

It doesn't matter so much whether or not other Tea Partiers are offended by a bozo carrying a racist Obama sign. What matters is that the carrier of that sign is allowed to believe that the people around him approve. And they will believe that, given the slightest encouragement.

BrainGlutton
10-12-2010, 08:17 PM
I think the incoherence of the Tea Party is a strength for them.

You could say that of the Reform Party. Where is it now?

They have not established an agenda, they have not established priorities.

Then how do they expect to accomplish anything? What do they want to accomplish?!

Plan B
10-12-2010, 08:30 PM
So, according to #212 more than half of Tea Partiers are in disagreement with the Christian Right.

And, I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but IIRC Obama is opposed to gay marriage. So what does that say about Dems, liberals, people who voted for him, etc?

Fear Itself
10-12-2010, 08:36 PM
So, according to #212 more than half of Tea Partiers are in disagreement with the Christian Right.Shockingly low for those who profess libertarian ideals.

emacknight
10-12-2010, 08:49 PM
So, according to #212 more than half of Tea Partiers are in disagreement with the Christian Right.

And, I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but IIRC Obama is opposed to gay marriage. So what does that say about Dems, liberals, people who voted for him, etc?

Says nothing, he doesn't speak for us. We are a loosely connected association of like minded individuals who were fed up with the direction the country was taken during 7 years of Republican rule.

elucidator
10-12-2010, 08:51 PM
...You could say that of the Reform Party. Where is it now?...
In Limbo, awaiting their arrival. The Tea Party will either be re-absorbed into the Republican Party, or they will vanish.


...Then how do they expect to accomplish anything? What do they want to accomplish?!

There is a subtle distinction between a political movement and a protest movement. The Tea Party is much more a protest movement. Shit, they don't even have the discipline of the progressive movement,and we are the very definition of a herd of cats!

The tighty righty side has oodles of discipline, and are eagerly offering its availability.

BrainGlutton
10-12-2010, 08:56 PM
The proud stalwarts of the Tea Party
Have lusts that are hearty but naughty
Such as offering their sacks
As mid-morning snacks
To all and to sundry! How haughty!

BrainGlutton
10-12-2010, 08:57 PM
So, according to #212 more than half of Tea Partiers are in disagreement with the Christian Right.Shockingly low for those who profess libertarian ideals.

When Ayn Rand met William F. Buckley, the first thing she said to him was, "You are too intelligent to believe in God."

sleeping
10-12-2010, 09:03 PM
A political movement has certain goals and/or principles that characterize it as such. If one insists that no such tenets exist, one is intrinsically admitting that no movement exists.

The fact of the matter is that the Tea Party movement has chosen a number of candidates in Republican primaries and put forward decrees in various states. Those are the leaders and the principles. They are certainly not libertarian and little different from the previous GOP, which is not surprising given how the movement got started.

Czarcasm
10-12-2010, 09:09 PM
Then how do they expect to accomplish anything? What do they want to accomplish?!They are not there for their own benefit-they are there for the benefit of the conservatives. The Tea-baggers sling the mud that conservatives used to have to throw themselves.

Guinastasia
10-12-2010, 09:12 PM
Even generously assuming that to be true, it happened in the early-to-mid 1800s. What's the Tea Party's excuse for embracing it in 2010?

What makes you think that the Tea Party embraces racism?

This from someone who uses the word "diaperhead?"




I'm not sure that's a valid argument. There aren't any black people at hockey games, either, but it doesn't mean the NHL is racist.

Well, there are these guys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ice_hockey_players_of_Black_African_descent). (Granted though, a lot of them are from CANADA, the fucking commies. ;))





(Uh, people -- you can't link to searches.)

BrainGlutton
10-12-2010, 09:17 PM
A political movement has certain goals and/or principles that characterize it as such. If one insists that no such tenets exist, one is intrinsically admitting that no movement exists.

The fact of the matter is that the Tea Party movement has chosen a number of candidates in Republican primaries and put forward decrees in various states. Those are the leaders and the principles. They are certainly not libertarian and little different from the previous GOP, which is not surprising given how the movement got started.

Well, the Contract from America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#Tea_Party_agenda_.22Contract_from_America.22) says:

The Contract lists 10 agenda items that it encourages congressional candidates to follow:[69][70]

1. Identify constitutionality of every new law: Require each bill to identify the specific provision of the U.S. Constitution that gives Congress the power to do what the bill does. (82.03%)
2. Reject emissions trading: Stop the "cap and trade" administrative approach used to control carbon dioxide emissions by providing economic incentives for achieving reductions in the emissions of carbon dioxide. (72.20%)
3. Demand a balanced federal budget: Begin the Constitutional amendment process to require a balanced budget with a two-thirds majority needed for any tax modification. (69.69%)
4. Simplify the tax system: Adopt a simple and fair single-rate tax system by scrapping the Internal Revenue Code and replacing it with one that is no longer than 4,543 words – the length of the original Constitution. (64.9%)
5. Audit federal government agencies for constitutionality: Create a Blue Ribbon taskforce that engages in an audit of federal agencies and programs, assessing their Constitutionality, and identifying duplication, waste, ineffectiveness, and agencies and programs better left for the states or local authorities. (63.37%)
6. Limit annual growth in federal spending: Impose a statutory cap limiting the annual growth in total federal spending to the sum of the inflation rate plus the percentage of population growth. (56.57%)
7. Repeal the health care legislation passed on March 23, 2010: Defund, repeal and replace the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. (56.39%)
8. Pass an 'All-of-the-Above' Energy Policy: Authorize the exploration of additional energy reserves to reduce American dependence on foreign energy sources and reduce regulatory barriers to all other forms of energy creation. (55.5%)
9. Reduce Earmarks: Place a moratorium on all earmarks until the budget is balanced, and then require a 2/3 majority to pass any earmark. (55.47%)
10. Reduce Taxes: Permanently repeal all recent tax increases, and extend current temporary reductions in income tax, capital gains tax and estate taxes, currently scheduled to end in 2011. (53.38%)

Which is libertarian at least in the smaller-government sense, and there is nothing in it about gay marriage or abortion.

Starving Artist
10-12-2010, 09:25 PM
I give no apologies. You have no points, just tired lame talking points that get trotted out too often. You conveniently forget the many "conservatives" who would regularly trot out the traitor get out kick your ass bullshit, don't you. You conveniently forget the endless instances many of us have wasted our time in the past disproving all the bullshit that gets spewed over and over again. To hell with searching and sorting and organizing the "cites again. Say whatever crazy dumb ass shit you want. I will do the same. Fight ignorance? After regurgitating the same shit year after year, and ignoring contrary cites year after year, I'm not going to bother. It's just the same tired shit all over again.I asked for no apologies. I simply pointed to your post to illustrate the kind of crap that gets said about conservatives around here hundreds of times a day, and to explain why I post the way I do. (And where on this board is all that "traitor get out kick your ass bullshit" that you appear to be claiming conservatives on this board say all the time? I hardly ever see it and on those rare occasions when I do it's usually said by somebody that ends up getting banned shortly.)

And as far as your determination to post "whatever crazy dumb ass shit" you want, I say knock yourself out.

I can't cite that I didn't insult you before that, but you're welcome to look.That's all well and good but I asked to you point to where I insulted you without provocation, not simply to post the insult itself. How am I supposed to be able to determine if the insult was unwarranted if I don't know what preceeded it? And no, I'm not only not gonna look it up. For one thing there isn't anything there that this board's search engine could key on. But I do have a recollection of your claiming that specific insult was unwarranted once before and I was able to show that you had indeed insulted me first. I also find it very fishy that you didn't link to it yourself, especially when I'd offered to apologize if I was wrong. One would think you'd be champing at the bit to get that apology and it's more than a little suspicious that you chose not to post a link to the appropriate thread. I hope it doesn't turn out that you're a dishonest person after all and that I was wrong when I said you seemed to be a good guy.

Starving Artist
10-12-2010, 09:32 PM
When Ayn Rand met William F. Buckley, the first thing she said to him was, "You are too intelligent to believe in God."And Buckley's response, as he related the story to Charlie Rose, was, "I'm afraid you're going to have to document that."

elucidator
10-12-2010, 09:36 PM
She had to go get a retraining order?

kaylasdad99
10-12-2010, 09:37 PM
So, according to #212 more than half of Tea Partiers are in disagreement with the Christian Right.That's a lot to be reading into a survey that merely reports that nearly half identify themselves members of the Christian conservative movement.

Lotta daylight between "not self-identifying as a member" of a movement and "disagreeing with" that movement. Not to mention that it begs the question of whether "Christian conservative movement" and "Christian Right" are interchangeable terms.

kaylasdad99
10-12-2010, 09:40 PM
Then how do they expect to accomplish anything? What do they want to accomplish?!They are not there for their own benefit-they are there for the benefit of the conservatives. The Tea-baggers sling the mud that conservatives used to have to throw themselves.Yup. Ask the folks who financed this Astroturf, and you'll know what they want to accomplish.

elucidator
10-12-2010, 09:44 PM
I was so surprised to hear that the Tea Party had such a strong position on net neutrality, and so much supported the positions of Comcast and Verizon. I may have mentioned that. Sure tried.

emacknight
10-12-2010, 10:30 PM
As for why my general posting style is the way it is, take a look at how squeels and SteveG1 portray conservatives in post 181. This board is full of posters saying shit like that, and no one here on this board, allegedly devoted to fighting ignorance, ever calls them down for it. So, just to make sure that no one comes to develop the belief that these guys must be right because no one refutes them, I do...and in kind. And why in kind? Because it's utterly, uttlery impossible to have a civilized discussion about politics around here that even begins to stray from the liberal party line, with any attempt to do so immediately swamped by twenty posters shouting the most ridiculous kinds of bullshit. So just to make sure that my points get heard above the din and that liberalism and the consequences of it don't get a free pass, I post the way I do. It isn't a style I prefer in my personal life but it's the one I've found most effective around here.

Yup, it's everyone else's fault. Never your own. Never because you're an asshole, a partisan windbag, a lair, or a jerk. It's everyone else's fault. You post like a raving lunatic because this board is too liberal. Not because what you post is crap, it's because we're all so liberal, and you're so conservative.

It has nothing to do with you being a conservative. Even the conservatives on this board won't defend you, you are an embarrassment to them. You are a giant cliche.

You haven't made a valid point in all the years I've been here. You spew garbage and nonsense until you run out of hot air, then declare victory so you can go off to another thread to do it all again.

You have yet to answer for the lies you posted here (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=580311), and when you got called on it you scampered away in tears.

In this thread (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=580603) you were asked for cites to back up the many bogus claims you made. And in response you had the gall to ask for $20 per cite! After countless attempts to tap dance away from the issue you posted a google search for only mildly related terms. It wasn't even the search phrase you were supposed to be looking for!

What you'll see in those two threads, plus this one, plus countless others, are everyone's attempt to fight your ignorance, but mostly just a lot of people laughing at you.

Seriously, go play with your grandkids, have a beer, listen to some Elton John, and take a nap. We'll do just fine fighting ignorance without you, and I'm pretty sure the conservative members of this board would gladly welcome you not "helping."

Guinastasia
10-12-2010, 11:09 PM
But Elton John's post-1968!!! He's part of those "hippies!!!" :rolleyes:

Starving Artist, we don't give you shit because you're conservative. We give you shit because you're stupid. And stupid knows no political ideology.

Robot Arm
10-12-2010, 11:13 PM
I can't cite that I didn't insult you before that, but you're welcome to look.That's all well and good but I asked to you point to where I insulted you without provocation, not simply to post the insult itself. How am I supposed to be able to determine if the insult was unwarranted if I don't know what preceeded it? And no, I'm not only not gonna look it up. For one thing there isn't anything there that this board's search engine could key on.I posted the insult. I can't link the provocation because it doesn't exist.

You want to see what preceeded that post? See where it says "Originally posted by Starving Artist', and then there's a little arrow? Click on that arrow. You'll go directly to the post in question, with all the context you could ever want. If that post includes a quote, click on that arrow the follow the discussion backwards. No searching necessary.

And let me make it easier, here is the link (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12251310#post12251310) to where you insulted me. The full thread, in plain view, available to everyone and anyone.

But I do have a recollection of your claiming that specific insult was unwarranted once before and I was able to show that you had indeed insulted me first.The one time this subject came up before, you said it wasn't an insult; that saying you "couldn't believe" I was that stupid meant that you actually had a reasonable opinion of my intelligence.

Here (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12400795#post12400795) is that post, in its full context.

Here (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12400123#post12400123) is where you said my behavior was "assholey".

I also find it very fishy that you didn't link to it yourself, especially when I'd offered to apologize if I was wrong. One would think you'd be champing at the bit to get that apology and it's more than a little suspicious that you chose not to post a link to the appropriate thread. I hope it doesn't turn out that you're a dishonest person after all and that I was wrong when I said you seemed to be a good guy.There it is; all linked and in context. Just one click away. You say I must have provoked you? You say you've already shown it once before? Fine, show it now.

Until then, let this thread stand as evidence of your dishonesty.

Euphonious Polemic
10-12-2010, 11:22 PM
[ You say I must have provoked you? You say you've already shown it once before? Fine, show it now.

Until then, let this thread stand as evidence of your dishonesty.

He'll find the link for you, but it will cost you $20

emacknight
10-12-2010, 11:24 PM
Now we wait while he moves the goal posts around.

Queue bullshit attempt to blame liberals in three...two...[the one is silent]

crowmanyclouds
10-12-2010, 11:29 PM
... Amber Lamps and Epic Beard was just two old, stupid losers ...Point of order.
Amber (http://trickledown.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/amber-lamps.jpg) Lamps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_lamps#The_spread_of_the_meme) is neither old, stupid, or a loser ... she's just aloof.

CMC fnord!
How swiftly the memes die. :(

emacknight
10-12-2010, 11:32 PM
Until then, let this thread stand as evidence of your dishonesty.

Wait, THIS thread? Of all the threads I really think this one (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=580311) is far more blatant. He actually clipped quotes out of context, then professed it shows what each person really meant. Then he linked to a propaganda piece. Then he got all bent out of shape when we called him on it.

And my personal favourite is this one (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=559440), in which Sarah Palin was not proven right, nor was there a trick by the government, or a death panel (except for what the hospital did).

The guy actually linked to a google search that was "evolution vs creationism" as some sort of proof that liberals caused conservatives to be ignorant about evolution.

Robot Arm
10-12-2010, 11:52 PM
[ You say I must have provoked you? You say you've already shown it once before? Fine, show it now.

Until then, let this thread stand as evidence of your dishonesty.

He'll find the link for you, but it will cost you $20He won't find it because it doesn't exist. And I'll stake $20 on that.

Starving Artist
10-13-2010, 12:06 AM
Yup, it's everyone else's fault. Not everyone's.

Never your own. Correct.

Never because you're an asshole...Correct.

a partisan windbagI'll admit to being partisan, but certainly no more so than many of the board's liberal posters.

a lair...Never.

or a jerk. Perhaps on occasion, but not on purpose.

It's everyone else's fault. Nope, never said it - ain't gonnna defend it.

You post like a raving lunatic because this board is too liberal. Incorrect. I post like I do because many of the board's liberal posters are arrogant, superior, outrageously partisan jerks. The board itself is populated largely by very knowledgeable, very helpful, very sympathetic, and very good people. Unfortunately they then not to be the ones offering political opinions.

Not because what you post is crap, it's because we're all so liberal, and you're so conservative.Nope. It has nothing to do with your being liberal or me being conservative. It has to do with you and a lot of other posters around here being so obnoxiously liberal.

It has nothing to do with you being a conservative. I just said that.

Even the conservatives on this board won't defend you, you are an embarrassment to them.I have no idea how the board's other conservative posters view me, but given that they generally have chosen a different approach I suspect you may well be right. Still, we all have to be true to ourselves, eh? I wouldn't think of suggesting to another conservative poster that they change their style to suit me, and I wouldn't imagine any of them would suggest that I alter my style to suit them.

And then there's the fact that the board's conservative posters, being the believers in individual responsibility that we are, very, very, rarely come to each other's defense in the first place. We each believe that our brethren can handle their own battles, and we know that that they expect us to do the same. I can't think of a genuine conservative dog pile against a liberal poster in all the time I've been here...or even an attempt at one.

You haven't made a valid point in all the years I've been here. Sure, I have. I've made several in this very thread.

You spew garbage and nonsense until you run out of hot air...Natually I view this as opinion, not fact.

then declare victory so you can go off to another thread to do it all again. I declare victory only on rare occasion, and never in order to run off to do it in another thread. Still, the number of times I declare victory vs. the number of times my opponents declare victory over me is exceedingly small.

You have yet to answer for the lies you posted here (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=580311)There are no lies there to answer for.

and when you got called on it you scampered away in tears.Why am I wasting my time on anyone who could post such sophomoric shit?

Oh, well...once more unto the breach:

In this thread[/url] you were asked for cites to back up the many bogus claims you made. And in response you had the gall to ask for $20 per cite! That would be because the poster involved and I have a lengthy history of acrimony and it was my belief that he was simply trying to yank my chain. And the requested cite, which was for instances of liberal sources talking about creationism vs. evolution, thus creating the impression in many people's minds that evolution is alleged to be the scientific counterpoint to creationism with regard to how life on earth came into being. There is absolutely no question that for many decades liberals have been laughing at creationists and pointing to evolution as the alternative explanation for life, usually claiming that while evolution doesn't have all the answers as to how life began, it's at least pointing the way (which also explains why so many people refer to the "theory of evolution", another term that liberals are largely responsible for creating but which they now laugh at people for mentioning.)

It wasn't even the search phrase you were supposed to be looking for!It may not have been the search phrase for what I was supposed to be looking for as redefined by my opponents, but it was the correct search phrase for what I was talking about and originally said.

What you'll see in those two threads, plus this one, plus countless others, are everyone's attempt to fight your ignorance...You're referring to Inigo Montoya's response to my simple (and factually correct and WIki-cited) observation that the Tea Party has no specific leadership or spokesmen, perhaps?

We'll do just fine fighting ignorance without you...But, but, I'd hate to miss it. When does it start?

and I'm pretty sure the conservative members of this board would gladly welcome you not "helping."Well, what can I say? I pays my dues and I speaks my mind. That's the way it works around here, right?

Still, the board's other conservative posters are more than capable of thinking and speaking for themselves and they certainly don't need you to express what they're thinking, now do they? So how's about you limit your comments to whatever finds itself ricocheting around inside your skull and attempting to pass itself off as a thought, and let everyone else speak for themselves, mmkay?

And on preview I see that a whole new rash of shit has occurred while I've been answering the latest rash of shit that has occurred. You see what happens? I make a simple observation to the effect that the Tea Party has no central leadership or spokesman and look what a clusterfuck the ignorance-fighting liberals of the SDMB have turned this simple, accurate statement into. We've got everything from Elton John to Sarah Palin to umpteen other threads being drug in here trying to prove...what? That I don't the time to screw around trying to answer them all. Well, on that count you're correct. I'm done here for tonight.

Bryan Ekers
10-13-2010, 12:17 AM
At this point I figure we're free to call the tea party anything we want - they're not sufficiently unified or organized to argue, and no individual speaks for them, anyway.

Snowboarder Bo
10-13-2010, 12:45 AM
I am the tea party. (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEVADA_SENATE_FUNDRAISING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2010-10-12-21-21-23)

There it is. The Tea Party now has a declared leader. And she is bugnuts. Obviously, she has a few bugnuts supporters, too, since she claims to have collected more than US$14 million since June. No telling if that all came from 14 wealthy people or what, tho.

anya marie
10-13-2010, 01:42 AM
Let me ask you this: What can the tea party do for me?

Can you help me get a job? What can you offer me that i cannnot get from democrats?

Where were you hyperpatriots when Bush II was declaring wars he couldn't pay for, giving his ultrarich friends tax cuts he couldn't pay for?

Why are you now pitching a bitch that Obama wants to end wars we AS A COUNTRY can't afford, end tax cuts we cannnot afford, and end other bad things your homeboy Dubya did?

Why is it wrong to want to close Guantanamo and end use of tortures like waterboarding?

What's up with your extreme pro-life agenda? What gives you the right to tell me how i have to spend my money, and why do i have to lose access to birth control because you don't approve of it?

What's with that crazycake Christine O'Donnell and masturbation?

And for the love of cupcakes, what is it with you people and "smears" when you are caught on tape spreading bullshit? What makes it a smear when your candidates are DUMB enough to put pictures on THE INTERNET of themselves in Nazi uniforms?

tagos
10-13-2010, 04:20 AM
nvm

The Great Sun Jester
10-13-2010, 07:13 AM
You're referring to Inigo Montoya's response to my simple (and factually correct and WIki-cited) observation that the Tea Party has no specific leadership or spokesmen, perhaps?
...
But, but, I'd hate to miss it. When does it start?
It starts when you shut your trap and start letting facts shape your opinions (logic) and stop letting your opinions shape your facts (sophistry).

You're a joke here. Your persistent trolling for abuse always reminds me of Adam Sandler's "The Peeper." You should really just leave, you wouldn't be missed.

septimus
10-13-2010, 08:00 AM
As for why my general posting style is the way it is, take a look at how squeels and SteveG1 portray conservatives in post 181.

I can take very little of your ignorant frothing. (And apparently you prefer to stick to frothing, since you've never answered any of my insightful posts! :D) But since you reference a non-SA post, I read it. Here it is:

And bring back our christian nation, where God's laws (I wonder who gets to pick and choose) will take precedence over the Constitution and laws "of men". Where government will stay out of healthcare, but give my my medicare, medicaid, and social security. Where young people will jump to fight in wars, when I myself hid from the draft and never served in any capacity, military or civilian. Where I can brandish my guns and talk about "second Amendment" solutions to the "nigger in the White House", but anyone who talks about "my" boy W is a traitor.

This seems a rather accurate portrayal of the redneck views of many right-wing voters. Obviously they're not "intellectual" views, but Beck-Palinism wouldn't exist if only intellectuals led policy discussion.

I don't know (or much care) if the views SteveG1 describes are your views, Mr. Starving (for intellect?), but if you cared about your reputation here, you'd spend more time explicitly denouncing such views, rather than implicitly embracing them.