View Full Version : Cannabis as a dewormer?
Quartz
11-20-2010, 07:57 AM
In this story (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11799303) a farmer has been convicted for possession of cannabis. He said he had it for deworming his ducks. But I note that neither the linked story, nor any other I've found, indicate that the prosecution disputed his claim; they just prosecuted him for possession.
Is there any validity to his claim? Is the cannabis plant good for killing intestinal worms?
dzero
11-20-2010, 02:53 PM
What you're talking about would be called an "affirmative defense". IOW, something is illegal per se but is justified under certain conditions. If you can show one such condition applied to your situation, then you would be justified in committing the illegal act. For example, self-defense is an affirmative defense to manslaughter.
The answer to your question would depend on whether or not there was an affirmative defense to possession of MJ that applied to the defendant's situation. If not, the prosecution was justified in ignoring it since it had no legal relevance.
Quartz
11-20-2010, 03:17 PM
I'm not actually interested in the legal side. Just whether or not cannabis does what this farmer says it does.
MPB in Salt Lake
11-20-2010, 03:23 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing video of a bunch of ducks (hopefully worm-free) after a few hours spent backstage at a Phish/Willie Nelson/Snoop Dogg concert........
Spectre of Pithecanthropus
11-20-2010, 03:52 PM
It turns out it was used for just that purpose in ancient Greece (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis#Ancient_Greece). It also is effective against bacteria, for which reason it was used in topical corn remedies (http://antiquecannabisbook.com/chap6/CornMed.htm) up until the last years before the federal government hounded it out of the market in the late 1930s.
Wile E
11-20-2010, 07:09 PM
I've never done a study on dogs who ingested pot (usually the dog owner's roommate's pot) to find out if they were rendered worm free later. However, due to the other undesirable effects and cost, I don't think it would be very efficient. There's plenty of other stuff that's going to be cheaper, work better and not make the animal a pain in the ass to be around for several hours.
Nametag
11-20-2010, 11:23 PM
How do you use marijuana to deworm a duck? Blow smoke up his ass?
Pullet
11-21-2010, 12:21 AM
There is some evidence that oregano works as a coccidiastat in poultry (I'm too drunk to look up cites now, but might later if you ask nice). It is used by several organic farmers I've visited. In those cases, administration is of the distilled oregano oil mixed into the watering systems. However, I'm pretty sure the literature is thin on use of cannabis.
Weedy
11-21-2010, 04:12 AM
A quick search found a some French and Indian articles referring to the effect of cannabis extract on worms. No suggestions on how to administer it to ducks.
In vitro flukicidal effect of leaf extract of Cannabis sativa Linn. on the trematode Fasciolopsis buski
Author(s): Roy, Bishnupada; Tandon, Veena Source: Indian Journal of Experimental Biology Volume:35 Issue:1 Pages:80-82 Published: 1997
Abstract: The efficacy of crude extract of Cannabis sativa leaf on the motility and morphology of Fasciolopsis buski was studied using scanning electron microscopy. Treatment of the worms in vitro with 5 , 10, and 20 mg of crude extract per ml of phosphate buffered saline caused paralysis, taking 1-1.3, 0.6-0.8 and 0.4-0.6 hr, respectively. SEM observations on treated flukes revealed deformation of the surface architecture, particularly of papillated ventral surface. Deep scars were also observed both on the dorsal and ventral surface. The leaf extract of the plant was thus found to be effective against intestinal giant fluke.
Larval susceptibility of Aloe barbadensis and Cannabis sativa against Culex quinquefasciatus, the filariasis vector.
Author(s): Maurya, Prejwltta; Mohan, Lalit; Sharma, Preeti; Srivastava, J Environ Biol Volume:29 Issue:6 Pages: 941-3 Published: 2008 Nov
Abstract: Larvicidal potential of petroleum ether, carbon tetrachloride and methanol extracts of Aloe barbadensis and Cannabis sativa has been investigated against Culex quinquefasciatus. Among the extracts examined, Carbon tetrachloride extract (Cte) of Aloe barbadensis was the most effective with LC50 values of 15.31 and 11.01 ppm after 24 and 48 hr of exposure, respectively followed by pertoleum ether extract (Pee) of A barbadensis, Cte of C. sativa, methanol extract (Mee) of A. barbadensis, methanol and petroleum ether of C. saliva, LC, being 25.97, 88.51, 144.44, 160.78 and 294.42 ppm affer 24hr and 16.60, 68.69, 108.38, 71.71 and 73.32 ppm after 48 hr of post treatment, respectively. Cte of both the plants exhibits potential larvicidal activity and can be used as ecofriendly alternative in the management of the filariasis vector, Culex quinquefasciatus.
Toxic effects of essential oil of Cannabis sativa L. and main constituents on planarian (Dugesia tigrina) (author's transl)
Author(s): Fournier, G; Lenicque, P M; Paris, Toxicol Eur Res Volume:1 Issue:6 Pages:385-9 Published: 1978 Nov
Abstract: Regenerating pieces of planarian worms are able to absorbe insoluble substances deposited on the base of the vessels in which they are cultivated. This biological test was used to study the toxic effects of the essential oil of Cannabis sativa L. The hydrocarbons such as pinene (alpha and beta), caryophyllene and so on were not toxic. On the contrary caryophyllene oxide was highly toxic. It was not possible to detect any protection by 5-hydroxytryptamine as it was the case against delta 1-tetrahydro-cannabinol and cannabidiol.
HeyHomie
11-21-2010, 08:27 AM
There's plenty of other stuff that's going to be cheaper, work better and not make the animal a pain in the ass to be around for several hours.
Having never been around an animal that was high on MJ, I have to ask: what are the observable effects of MJ on domesticated pets?
FTR, I've thought about locking my cat in the bathroom with me the next time I toke, but I keep forgetting (heh).
Staggerlee
11-21-2010, 09:53 AM
Having never been around an animal that was high on MJ, I have to ask: what are the observable effects of MJ on domesticated pets?
FTR, I've thought about locking my cat in the bathroom with me the next time I toke, but I keep forgetting (heh).Not a pet, but a moth I once shared a joint with lost the ability to fly (temporarily) and started walking backwards in circles.
Quartz
11-21-2010, 01:41 PM
Would cannabis that's been eaten have any hallucinogenic effect?
WhyNot
11-21-2010, 01:54 PM
Would cannabis that's been eaten have any hallucinogenic effect?
If it's eaten with a fatty meal, yes. THC is fat soluble, so if you eat just the leaves, or drink pot tea without eating fat with it, then no, it won't. Or rather, it might, but it's most likely placebo driven. But if you eat a bud along with, say, a nice greasy burger, the fat in the burger will dissolve enough of the THC from the bud in your stomach to get you high.
Good "pot brownies" and such are generally made by soaking pot in butter or oil and using the infused butter or oil in a standard recipe. No need for the actual green stuff in the brownies.
Bam Boo Gut
11-21-2010, 04:53 PM
Bit of a downer for the farmer.
Wile E
11-21-2010, 07:50 PM
Having never been around an animal that was high on MJ, I have to ask: what are the observable effects of MJ on domesticated pets?
FTR, I've thought about locking my cat in the bathroom with me the next time I toke, but I keep forgetting (heh).
See this for details (http://www2.aspca.org/site/DocServer/toxbrief_0602.pdf?docID=101&AddInterest=1101). Basically, they're pooping, peeing, crying, vomiting and hyper. They may have moments of mellowness but they are hyperreactive and the slightest noise or movement could set them off again.
Nehemiah Samedi
11-21-2010, 08:51 PM
See this for details (http://www2.aspca.org/site/DocServer/toxbrief_0602.pdf?docID=101&AddInterest=1101). Basically, they're pooping, peeing, crying, vomiting and hyper. They may have moments of mellowness but they are hyperreactive and the slightest noise or movement could set them off again.
In my experience, animals that have consumed marijuana are generally very sedated. I think the pooping, peeing, crying, and vomiting have been over-emphasized to drive the point that it is not generally considered a good thing to give animals intoxicants, especially illegal ones. One time, my friend made a large batch of marijuana cookies, and threw the butter soaked marijuana used to make the infusion in the trash can. His three dogs tore through the trash bag and ate it all. They became almost comatose. Obviously this varies by animal, and the type of weed being used is also a factor.
komolono
11-22-2010, 03:58 AM
Having never been around an animal that was high on MJ, I have to ask: what are the observable effects of MJ on domesticated pets?
It's not only mammals that drugs have effect on
http://www.trinity.edu/jdunn/spiderdrugs.htm
I should stop using Caffeine:smack:
Larry Mudd
11-22-2010, 11:33 AM
How do you use marijuana to deworm a duck? Blow smoke up his ass?That's not as implausible as it sounds - historically, tobacco has been used as a vermifuge for horses and cattle, with the help of a set of bellows.
Anecdotally, I have seen cannabis oil administered orally (mixed into food) to deworm a cat.
Pro: After every OTC treatment utterly failed, cat was finally worm free. (Unexpected result - ejection of still-wriggling worms in clear mucous. Ewww.)
Con: Cat spent an unhappy day hunkered down in a quiet cupboard. Not "Dude, I'm like totally baked" hunkered down, but "I am feeling really ill" hunkered down. Poor little guy. :(
kunilou
11-22-2010, 09:55 PM
I don't know about cannabis and ducks, but farmers have traditionally used tobacco plugs to deworm horses.
Hint: it's not administered orally.
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