Glee: 2.17 "A Night of Neglect" (open spoilers)

[alphaboi867]

The glee kids come to the aid of another struggling club.

Glee's back tonight. Gwyneth Paltrow's back as Miss Holly Holiday. Also it looks like we're finally going to get to see Sunshine Corazon (Charice) and Dustin Goolsby (Cheyenne Jackson) again. The latter being part of Sue's "Legion of Doom" along with Terri Schuester and Sandy Ryerson.


Ain't No Way (Aretha Franklin)
All By Myself (Celine Dion)
I Follow Rivers (Lykke Li)
Turning Tables (Adele)

[Uncle Jocko]

General Zod! Sgt. Hanson! The Pink Dagger! And the Honey Badger, nature's most ferocious animal (look it up on YouTube)!

Too bad for the Pink Dagger ... Aretha is his kryptonite.

Loved the Brainiacs' little glasses-poking gesture. And yay, Brittany! Cat diseases for the win. Not to mention Hermaphrodite Nazi Sympathizers ...

[Capitaine Zombie]

I cant watch Glee. Any time I do I can hear some cracks in my heterosexuality. And these dont mend, they just widen.

[twickster]

Meh episode overall, but "Hermaphrodite Nazi Sympathizers" is quite possibly the best closing line for any TV show ever.

[purplehorseshoe]

I wonder how much YouTube honey badger related activity spiked last night. :)

Mike Chang's dance number to "Bubble Toes" was the highlight of the episode. Awesome!

[limegreen]

I thought Sue was naming him Sergeant Handsome. Hanson?
My favorite was Santana saying she had razor blades in her hair. "All up in there!" Cracked me up. And they're definitely paving the road for that football player to come out of the closet, or locker, in his case.

[Cat Whisperer]

It was meh for me, too, but I'm not a Gwyneth Paltrow fan. Yay! She's gone again! Plus, I was playing Guitar Hero off and on and missed some explanation (like why Brittany is a Braniac).

[RandMcnally]

It was meh for me, too, but I'm not a Gwyneth Paltrow fan. Yay! She's gone again! Plus, I was playing Guitar Hero off and on and missed some explanation (like why Brittany is a Braniac).

Because their normal person got sick or something.

[alphaboi867]

I thought Sue was naming him Sergeant Handsome. Hanson?
My favorite was Santana saying she had razor blades in her hair. "All up in there!" Cracked me up. And they're definitely paving the road for that football player to come out of the closet, or locker, in his case.

Next week is a 90 minute episode and this is supposed to be a major plot point. Naturally next week is also another showcase for Lady Gaga. Hopefully this well lead to Kurt returning to WMHS (& perhaps Blaine following him?) and him being better intergrated in the plotlines.

[Sigmagirl]

Mike Chang's dance number to "Bubble Toes" was the highlight of the episode. Awesome!

I came in to say that. I thought this was a C-minus episode, but Mmmmmike Chang's number raised it a full letter grade.

[Uncle Jocko]

I thought Sue was naming him Sergeant Handsome. Hanson?

Yeah, you're probably right. Old ears, here. Plus, I couldn't really see him, since he was blending in back there ... (What was that he said to Holly, with his complete list of good points? "I'm handsome. I'm good-looking. And easy on the eyes. Oh, yeah, and I'm gorgeous.")

I came in to say that. I thought this was a C-minus episode, but Mmmmmike Chang's number raised it a full letter grade.

Yeah, Mike Chang! That dance was outstanding! I was glad he got a chance to really show his stuff.

[Cat Whisperer]

Hey, I forgot I taped this! Now I understand the Braniac thing.

[Cat Whisperer]

And you know, we were discussing the honey badger recently here, and there was a Youtube video linked here; I think...THEY'RE SPYING ON US!

Hi Will! Get a haircut! Rachel, quit singing with that squeaky, nasal thing when you start a phrase.

[Stauderhorse]

It feels like Glee is finally getting it's groove back. I teared up at just how damn good and powerful "All by Myself" was. They need to bring Sunshine on as a regular cast member.

[Minnie Luna]

As a devoted reader of EW, I liked Becky's little shout out to the mag.

[Sampiro]

"This is night, when I'm usually out bow hunting for hobos."

Cheyenne Jackson was looking particularly hot last night. I thought it was funny he played a straight guy and Tobolowski a "predatory" gay guy when their orientations are the reverse in real life.

I was glad he got a chance to really show his stuff.

If only they'd let him show his stuff. We have to settle for his dancing instead. ;)

I'm going to miss Gwyneth- I hope she'll be back at some point. Though while I agreed with everything that was said I half expected a M-E-S-S-A-G-E M-O-M-E-N-T light to flash when her character was discussing anonymous nastiness with the hecklers.

And Emma needs to spend some time on a Noodle Farm. She's got issues that go way beyond quirky or "a little pill prescription from a GP" will help, and she's extraordinarily selfish in the way she treats men- first the football coach, then Carl, and Will on the side.

[twickster]

As a devoted reader of EW, I liked Becky's little shout out to the mag.

I missed it -- what did she say?

[alphaboi867]

...Cheyenne Jackson was looking particularly hot last night. I thought it was funny he played a straight guy and Tobolowski a "predatory" gay guy when their orientations are the reverse in real life...

I kinda wonder if they're ever going to do some kind of subplot with Sandy and Kurt, Blaine, or Karofsky? Obiviously he's just about the worst possible role model/confidant for any of them. He was shown in the pilot feeling up an unamed male student (IIRC this is why he was fired). I've read a rather distrubing piece of slash ficiton involving him and Kurt. There could be some really creepy backstory between him and Karofsky.

[Sleeps With Butterflies]

I did laugh at Sue mentioning the honey badger. It's been alllllllll over the internet so I'm sure a lot of people got a laugh about that one.

This was probably my least favorite episode. I can't put my finger on exactly why it was, but it was just so boring to me.

That said, Mercedes was mindblowingly good on that song. Amazing.

[judikium]

They need to bring Sunshine on as a regular cast member.

Ack! Really? She sang well enough, but her line readings felt very "coached" and she seemed barely able to recite them! There have been some interesting guest stars on the show, but her first scene in the episode was very flat, where an actress with some comic chops could have gotten a lot of leverage- she had great lines, but couldn't quite deliver.

I love me some Cheyenne Jackson (his terse "I'm not gay" was greatly amusing), but the Sunshine storyline is making me yikes.

[alphaboi867]

Looks like one of the extra's has leaked a very important detail about next
week's episode. :eek: Very unexpected (though it could be a huge fake out on the creators' part). Don't click on the link unless you want to be spoiled and don't post the secret without spoiler space warnings.


Spoilers ahead, read at your own risk;

http://showbiznest.blogspot.com/2011/04/glee-star-nicole-crowther-fired-for.html?amp

I'm very surprised that non-disclosure clauses aren't already SOP for anyone (including extras) who work on TV shows.

[Sampiro]

Spoilers ahead, read at your own risk;

http://showbiznest.blogspot.com/2011/04/glee-star-nicole-crowther-fired-for.html?amp

I'm very surprised that non-disclosure clauses aren't already SOP for anyone (including extras) who work on TV shows.

If true that's going to be a very busy episode because first they've got to X then Y before Z can happen. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a red herring.

[Sampiro]

Probably the most minor nitpick you'll read all day, and I'm sure there's a TV Trope that's relevant, but, just one of those things that irks me about a show:

Gwyneth's teaching a history class as Wallis Simpson. She says "tomorrow we'll be discussing Catherine the Great" (plus something about her horse, yuk yuk).

Not GLEE specific, but this is something that's done a lot on TV shows: history seems to be taught in absolutely nothing remotely like chronological order or by any type of geographic or temporal logic. A teacher will be talking about Abraham Lincoln in an episode set in September, FDR in an episode set at Christmas, the Ming Dynasty in an episode set in winter and then Valley Forge sometime in April- makes no sense. I've seen similar things done in Lit Classes on TV: W.B. Yeats this week and Gilgamesh next and then sometime after that The Scarlet Letter. Math and science are probably similar but I can't judge those as well.

[Lakai]

Not GLEE specific, but this is something that's done a lot on TV shows: history seems to be taught in absolutely nothing remotely like chronological order or by any type of geographic or temporal logic. A teacher will be talking about Abraham Lincoln in an episode set in September, FDR in an episode set at Christmas, the Ming Dynasty in an episode set in winter and then Valley Forge sometime in April- makes no sense. I've seen similar things done in Lit Classes on TV: W.B. Yeats this week and Gilgamesh next and then sometime after that The Scarlet Letter. Math and science are probably similar but I can't judge those as well.

Apparently, they also don't know how to teach math (http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/04/glee_math.html).

[Lamia]

This one was pretty "meh" for me -- their theme wasn't their theme (of the artists featured, only Lykke Li could be considered at all neglected), a club we've never heard of before and will probably never hear of again gets to go to Detrot, Gwyneth Paltrow spins the Wheel of Morality -- but it was good to see Mercedes actually get a storyline AND a fantastic solo. Mike's dance number was also excellent. It was nice to see Rachel being unselfish about the spotlight, although now that I think of it giving up the closing number when there were only three people in the audience isn't that big a sacrifice.

It did seem pretty strange that Kurt and his boyfriend could make it but not Kurt's dad, Finn's mom, or any of the other relatives of the glee club members OR the jazz band OR the gospel choir. My halfhearted fanwank of this is that people were allowed to reserve tickets without paying. Sunshine's fans reserved all the seats, then didn't show when she canceled so the auditorium was left nearly empty.

In terms of the season as a whole, I figure this episode existed just to remind us that Sunshine and Vocal Adrenaline still exist and will be at Nationals (why weren't they at Regionals?) and that Karofsky is still a violent closet case. This will presumably be resolved next week, but it led to my favorite moment of the episode: Santana using her SuperBitch powers for good.

[Sampiro]

It did seem pretty strange that Kurt and his boyfriend could make it but not Kurt's dad, Finn's mom, or any of the other relatives of the glee club members OR the jazz band OR the gospel choir.

That bothered me too. NONE of them have friends or parents willing to come? Were they charging $500 per ticket or something?

[Lamia]

Probably the most minor nitpick you'll read all day, and I'm sure there's a TV Trope that's relevant, but, just one of those things that irks me about a show:

Gwyneth's teaching a history class as Wallis Simpson. She says "tomorrow we'll be discussing Catherine the Great" (plus something about her horse, yuk yuk).

Not GLEE specific, but this is something that's done a lot on TV shows: history seems to be taught in absolutely nothing remotely like chronological order or by any type of geographic or temporal logic.This kind of thing annoys me about television classes too, but in this case I think it's somewhat justified. Miss Holiday is the "fun sub" and she likes performing. It's plausible, at least by the standards of Glee, that she's deliberately coming up with history lessons that let her dress up and tell memorable stories and is not especially concerned with what the kids are supposed to be learning that week.

Speaking of educational standards on Glee, I watched Darren Criss's Livestream performance this evening and he mentioned something that's come up in our Glee threads before: Dalton appears to be run on a Lord of the Flies principle, with a bunch of adolescent boys being allowed to do whatever they want with zero adult supervision. This came up while he was answering a question about who he'd want as a guest star -- he said his top pick would be Christopher Walken, and that while he'd previously thought Walker could be Blaine's uncle or something he'd decided he'd be better as eccentric Headmaster William Dalton.

For his lips to Ryan Murphy's ears!

[ElvisL1ves]

Loved this show because it didn't have a Leah Michele solo.

[jackdavinci]

I've seen similar things done in Lit Classes on TV: W.B. Yeats this week and Gilgamesh next and then sometime after that The Scarlet Letter. Math and science are probably similar but I can't judge those as well.

Yeah it's kind of odd, in history, although probably a necessary conceit, in terms of tying in things thematically.

I don't think it's odd for English though. My English classes didn't have any kind of organization that I could discern. Maybe someone less lazy than I could start a thread about that.

[alphaboi867]

This kind of thing annoys me about television classes too, but in this case I think it's somewhat justified. Miss Holiday is the "fun sub" and she likes performing. It's plausible, at least by the standards of Glee, that she's deliberately coming up with history lessons that let her dress up and tell memorable stories and is not especially concerned with what the kids are supposed to be learning that week...

Good point. I doubt the Abdication Crisis is even covered in their textbooks or regular curriculum. My HS social studies classes didn't even get to WWII until May and everything was from the American perspective. World History didn't even make it past WWI.

[TBG]

Not to mention Hermaphrodite Nazi Sympathizers ...

Meh episode overall, but "Hermaphrodite Nazi Sympathizers" is quite possibly the best closing line for any TV show ever.

Band name!

[Sampiro]

Band name!

Unless it's an 80s cover band, in which case it would be Hermaphrodite Nazi Synthesizers.

Kurt returns to McKinley next week (not a leaked spoiler- it's in the preview (http://www.hulu.com/watch/234654/glee-born-this-way)). Also the next one is 90 minutes.

Chord Overstreet (aka Trouty Mouth) says there's a major revelation about his character coming- since we're pretty sure he's not gay or pregnant I'm wondering what that is.

[alphaboi867]

...Chord Overstreet (aka Trouty Mouth) says there's a major revelation about his character coming- since we're pretty sure he's not gay or pregnant I'm wondering what that is.

I'm still not sure about the former. ;) And while it's possible he's gotten Quinn pregnant, I don't see her making the same mistake again (at least until she's finished high school and found the man she want's to trap in Lima with her).

[Cat Whisperer]

<snip>

Chord Overstreet (aka Trouty Mouth) says there's a major revelation about his character coming- since we're pretty sure he's not gay or pregnant I'm wondering what that is.
I'm going with witness protection program.

[Lamia]

Chord Overstreet (aka Trouty Mouth) says there's a major revelation about his character coming- since we're pretty sure he's not gay or pregnant I'm wondering what that is.Well, he wouldn't be the first...or second...or even third gay character on this show to have denied being gay.

Alternately, he may turn out to be the result of a bioengineering project to create a race of fishmen for amphibious warfare. The "boy's school" he transferred escaped from was actually a top secret military facility.

[alphaboi867]

Well, he wouldn't be the first...or second...or even third gay character on this show to have denied being gay...

Actually I think it would be even more interesting if they make him bisexual. It'd allow from some really entertaining love triangles and over the top drama.

If true that's going to be a very busy episode because first they've got to X then Y before Z can happen. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a red herring.

After reading some info on upcoming episodes I've come to the it's not actually in the next episode, just a future episode. Judging by the titles it might be the episode after the episode after the next episode.

[Sampiro]

Ryan Murphy has said that Santana's discovery/admission of her lesbianism is going to be a part of the upcoming episodes, so twixt that and Kurt/Blaine/Karofsky I think the show is kind of "Gayed in Full". Any more and they can just have Sam and Puck hook up (group name: Suck), Mr. Schu develop a thing for Artie (Mr Shart) and Sue run off with Emma (Suma) and change the name from GLEE! to GAY!

[Cat Whisperer]

I noticed that it was the three openly gay (for all intents and purposes) characters confronting the closeted gay character. Nice touch.

I think GLAY! would be more amusing for some reason, Sampiro. :D

[Sampiro]

One of my favorite moments on the show was when Mercedes went out with Kurt and Blaine and started to hear "and the new cover of Vogue is aag gay gay gay. Gay! Gay gay gay gay gayyyy!"

[Lamia]

Ryan Murphy has said that Santana's discovery/admission of her lesbianism is going to be a part of the upcoming episodes, so twixt that and Kurt/Blaine/Karofsky I think the show is kind of "Gayed in Full". Any more and they can just have Sam and Puck hook up (group name: Suck), Mr. Schu develop a thing for Artie (Mr Shart) and Sue run off with Emma (Suma) and change the name from GLEE! to GAY!In all seriousness I don't think Sam will turn out to be gay, although a few episodes back I was thinking he might be better off romantically if he were. He seems like a nice enough boy, but he keeps winding up with girls who aren't really into him. But now that Kurt's off the market, a gay Sam would be left with no one but Karofsky. Ugh. And while hetero Sam may be disappointed when he learns that his current girlfriend is not actually attracted to him, he will at least be able to say for the rest of his life that he once dated a hot, slutty lesbian cheerleader.

[alphaboi867]

One of my favorite moments on the show was when Mercedes went out with Kurt and Blaine and started to hear "and the new cover of Vogue is aag gay gay gay. Gay! Gay gay gay gay gayyyy!"

Don't forger "Oh, look a tiny purse popped out of my mouth. How gay is that?" :D

Ryan Murphy has said that Santana's discovery/admission of her lesbianism is going to be a part of the upcoming episodes, so twixt that and Kurt/Blaine/Karofsky I think the show is kind of "Gayed in Full". Any more and they can just have Sam and Puck hook up (group name: Suck), Mr. Schu develop a thing for Artie (Mr Shart) and Sue run off with Emma (Suma) and change the name from GLEE! to GAY!

I'm outraged; how could you leave Finn out of the gayquation? :mad: He has terrible luck with girls; they all seem to use him for their own twisted mind games while denying him sex. All he needs to do is "forget" Kurt's birthday once, and come up with a surprise "gift" at the last minute. ;)

[Lamia]

I'm outraged; how could you leave Finn out of the gayquation? :mad: He has terrible luck with girls; they all seem to use him for their own twisted mind games while denying him sex.Santana managed to use him for her own twisted mind games without denying him sex, although I'm not sure if this is better or worse from Finn's perspective. If he thinks "The only girl who wanted to have sex with me was only doing it to cause trouble, she wasn't attracted to me or even dudes in general!" then that's pretty sad. But "I lost my virginity to a hot, slutty lesbian cheerleader!" will be a good story to tell in college.

I half expect Santana to point this out to Finn and Sam herself. (Puck probably wouldn't need to have it explained.)

[TBG]

Ryan Murphy has said that Santana's discovery/admission of her lesbianism is going to be a part of the upcoming episodes, so twixt that and Kurt/Blaine/Karofsky I think the show is kind of "Gayed in Full".
Plus the occasional appearances of the Pink Dagger. And the oft mentioned, never seen (except in a photo in at least one version of the pilot which may or may not be canon) gay dads of Rachel.

Speaking of the Pink Dagger, I always wondered whatever happened to that kid he molested in the pre-Shu glee club. I get why Sandy got fired, but why did the kid vanish? Did he transfer to Blaine's school or something? (rhetorical questions, not seriously thinking there's anything more to it than "the kid was an extra")

[Lamia]

Speaking of the Pink Dagger, I always wondered whatever happened to that kid he molested in the pre-Shu glee club. I get why Sandy got fired, but why did the kid vanish? Did he transfer to Blaine's school or something? (rhetorical questions, not seriously thinking there's anything more to it than "the kid was an extra")The very thorough Glee Wikia has an article about him (http://glee.wikia.com/wiki/Hank_Saunders), although there's not much more to it than what you've already said. His name is Hank Saunders, and he can supposedly be seen in the background at the celibacy club meeting in "Showmance". I guess we can imagine that being groped by Sandy, plus clashing with Rachel, was enough to make Hank want nothing to do with glee club again.

Glee co-creator Ian Brennan got the idea for this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Brennan_%28writer%29#Career) from something that happened at his old high school: the choir director (apparently not the same director from when Brennan was a show choir member) was convicted of sexually assaulting a student.