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Laggard
05-12-2011, 07:36 PM
Spike TV had a short segment on prostitution and claimed that the way to pick up a prostitute and avoid getting busted in an undercover sting was to say that you want to hire someone for some nude modeling. The idea being that a cop would not agree to this and that there is nothing wrong with paying someone to model nude for you.

I also wondered if asking her to show her boobs before any arrangements are made would keep one safe from being busted. No cop would agree to this and I don't know that it's illegal to ask someone to do so.

Are either of these effective ways to keep your ass out of jail?

By the way, I have no interest in hired help.

Shagnasty
05-12-2011, 08:23 PM
They already have this idea in almost every Yellow Pages in America. They are called escort services. You can certainly call one and get a date for the night without going to jail. You are paying for companionship or something which isn't illegal. Often the person you hire is so overcome with lust from your devilishly good looks and irresistible personality that they just can't help themselves and shower you with sexual freebies. The most successful ones tend to fall in love quite easily usually within just minutes of meeting their date.

**I have no experience with escort services but it is an established business model that somebody is using quite frequently based on the number of ads out there. They don't usually get in trouble for it as long as there is no promise or talk of sex upfront.

Farmer Jane
05-12-2011, 08:31 PM
hah, an escort service was recently busted here.

anyway, posing nude is not the same as having sex.

eta: if you approach an obvious prostitute to pose nude for you, well, hello. but the moment you discuss $$ for sex, you're busted.

TriPolar
05-12-2011, 08:47 PM
If you approach an undercover cop looking for a prositute, there's a good chance you will get busted no matter what you say or do. With your scenario, you would have to get the undercover cop to go somewhere with you and take off his/her clothes for money without making a deal for sex. He/she will be trying to get you to mention sex the whole time. Once the clothes come off, and it turns out to be a real prostitute, he/she will want to charge you for both the nude modeling and the sex. Why don't you just go out to bars and get laid for the price of a few drinks like everyone else does?

Arkcon
05-12-2011, 08:48 PM
Streetwalkers don't nude model. They want their money for minimal work -- giving a handy, a BJ, tricking you into thinking intercural contact conducted in a alleyway is in fact penetrative intercourse, or perhaps, robbing you, then promptly using the cash, to pay off their pimp, buy drugs, go party in some other way, or cover their expenses, then knock off early.

And streetwalkers are still members of our culture, we have restricted venues and situations where public toplessness is acceptable. Your need for proof won't necessarily override that. They've done all the work they intend to do already -- hanging out in cheap clothes in a bad part of town asking if you wanna party.

Laggard
05-12-2011, 09:01 PM
Streetwalkers don't nude model. They want their money for minimal work -- giving a handy, a BJ, tricking you into thinking intercural contact conducted in a alleyway is in fact penetrative intercourse, or perhaps, robbing you, then promptly using the cash, to pay off their pimp, buy drugs, go party in some other way, or cover their expenses, then knock off early.


My guess is that it is a wink-wink type of request to model nude.

I'm not out to get laid. Just trying to find a hole in their idea that this can keep you safe from getting busted.

Laggard
05-12-2011, 09:06 PM
hah, an escort service was recently busted here.

anyway, posing nude is not the same as having sex.

eta: if you approach an obvious prostitute to pose nude for you, well, hello. but the moment you discuss $$ for sex, you're busted.

Right but a cop is not going to go drive off with you to even get to the point where sex is discussed.

Peter Morris
05-12-2011, 10:01 PM
.. tricking you into thinking intercural contact conducted in a alleyway ...

I am unfamiliar with that word. So is dictionary.com
(http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/intercural)
What did you mean to say?

Snarky_Kong
05-12-2011, 10:59 PM
I am unfamiliar with that word. So is dictionary.com
(http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/intercural)
What did you mean to say?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercrural_sex

Chronos
05-12-2011, 11:47 PM
I also wondered if asking her to show her boobs before any arrangements are made would keep one safe from being busted. No cop would agree to this and I don't know that it's illegal to ask someone to do so.
The cop wouldn't do so, but would the hooker? She's probably not inclined to give out freebies, even of the "look but don't touch" variety. And if you've already raised the subject of payment, then it's probably too late for your defense.

If you're only concerned about your own legal liability, and not that of the prostitute, the simplest method is just to let her be the one to raise the subject. Approach one and say something noncommittal like "Hey, baby", or "Lookin' good", or whatever, and she's likely to offer a business proposition. Of course, this does leave her open to stings, but many of them just don't care.

Little Nemo
05-12-2011, 11:58 PM
They already have this idea in almost every Yellow Pages in America. They are called escort services. You can certainly call one and get a date for the night without going to jail. You are paying for companionship or something which isn't illegal. Often the person you hire is so overcome with lust from your devilishly good looks and irresistible personality that they just can't help themselves and shower you with sexual freebies. The most successful ones tend to fall in love quite easily usually within just minutes of meeting their date.But they're always shallow relationships where she only loves him for his money. So they soon break up and part ways. Unless he paid for all night.

Fubaya
05-12-2011, 11:59 PM
Do cops not watch TV? I imagine there are all sorts of code words guys use to not get caught and I imagine the cops catch them every time.

It all seems so complicated. I'll just stick with having sex the old fashioned way. Alone.

Arkcon
05-13-2011, 10:51 AM
Thanks Snarky_Kong:, Firefox's spell check flagged my word, but I just figured it was being dumb. Shoulda gone for a real dictionary. Anyway, like wikipedia said, is what I meant. I'd heard that was a common streetwalker scam, keep your thighs together and you can fool a very horny john into thinking penetration happened. Streetwalkers can't have repeated penetrative intercourse sessions over the space of a night, it's too exhausting, and wastes time -- time off the street is an opportunity missed.

An Arky
05-13-2011, 11:38 AM
There is no substitute for sex with someone who actually wants to have sex with you, no matter how much you pay.

Argent Towers
05-13-2011, 11:49 AM
Of course there's a substitute for sex with someone who wants to have sex with you. It's called a prostitute.

The same way a substitute teacher is called if the regular teacher can't show up. The same way that sugar substitutes are used by people who don't want to consume sugar. The same way you can substitute vegetable oil in a recipe if you don't have any butter.

Prostitutes fill a need that men have. Whether or not you personally have the need, other men do, or there wouldn't be prostitution. The notion that a man "should just get laid the normal way, by buying girls drinks in a bar" is absurd...not every man wants to go through that bullshit just to get laid. Some would rather just pay money up front and be done with it.

Lemur866
05-13-2011, 11:51 AM
Right. Sex without love is an empty experience, but as empty experiences go, it's one of the best.

Rachellelogram
05-13-2011, 11:54 AM
There is no substitute for sex with someone who actually wants to have sex with you, no matter how much you pay.
This is GQ, not MPSIMS or IMHO. Take your moralizing somewhere else.

Really Not All That Bright
05-13-2011, 12:52 PM
There is no substitute for sex with someone who actually wants to have sex with you, no matter how much you pay.
If you pay enough, they do want to have sex with you.

Leo Bloom
05-13-2011, 10:11 PM
This is GQ, not MPSIMS or IMHO. Take your moralizing somewhere else.

Is this a whoosh?

Joey P
05-13-2011, 10:33 PM
So if the "hooker" said "Fine, I'll show you my tits for $5" and you, figuring that's a cheap way to see if she's a cop or not, hand her the $5, could you get busted for that? Is that illegal? I'm not sure.

My guess is that she would probably say something hookerish like "C'mon buddy I don't have time for this, if you're lookin' to get laid, pony up the cash, otherwise keep moving, I got real customers"

WhyNot
05-13-2011, 10:46 PM
Aren't we making a huge assumption that a police officer wouldn't show you her tits?

MPB in Salt Lake
05-13-2011, 11:33 PM
Aren't we making a huge assumption that a police officer wouldn't show you her tits?

You actually think that a female law enforcement officer, working undercover, presumably on camera or a recording device (I imagine they would need some proof beyond a cop's say-so?) would expose herself to a potential misdemeanor collar that she was trying to bust?

I suppose if it was a cop who was deep undercover on a serious organized crime/drug ring case who was asked to strip/inject dope/help with a burglary etc. to show that they were indeed on the bad guys side, they might go along, if just to protect their own personal safety, (if they refused, their cover would be blown and they might end up dead) but for a petty crime like prostitution, it is almost incomprehensible that a woman officer would go along with flashing her breasts so some guy can get a $300 fine and 20 hours of community service.

MPB in Salt Lake
05-13-2011, 11:47 PM
Aren't we making a huge assumption that a police officer wouldn't show you her tits?

I wasn't trying to be snarky in my above post, I just can't conceive of a undercover officer or her superiors going for this to snag a petty criminal.

No offense intended!

WhyNot
05-13-2011, 11:48 PM
You actually think that a female law enforcement officer, working undercover, presumably on camera or a recording device (I imagine they would need some proof beyond a cop's say-so?) would expose herself to a potential misdemeanor collar that she was trying to bust?

I think I don't know what to think. I know that cops are allowed to break the law when undercover, but I have no idea what the personal views of every female undercover cop might be on opening her shirt.

TokyoBayer
05-14-2011, 10:05 AM
In Utah, apparently, there was the reverse problem, with undercover cops trying to catch prostitutes (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/51781087-78/law-mccullough-officers-police.html.csp).

Prostitutes, savvy to operations set up by police to catch them in the act, would proceed to demand that undercover officers masturbate or touch the prostitute’s breasts to "prove" they weren’t law enforcement, Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank said Monday.

"That is problematic for police officers," Burbank said. "I don’t want to put my officers in that situation."

Burbank brought the issue to state Rep. Jennifer Seelig, D-Salt Lake City, who in turn introduced HB121. The bill, enacted into a law that takes effect today, amends Utah’s sexual solicitation law to include several behaviors that now constitute soliciting sex — a crime that is a class B misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine. That being Utah, I suspect that they just cracked down on the prostitutes without attempting to crack down harder on the johns.

LurkerInNJ
05-14-2011, 10:22 AM
You actually think that a female law enforcement officer, working undercover, presumably on camera or a recording device (I imagine they would need some proof beyond a cop's say-so?) would expose herself to a potential misdemeanor collar that she was trying to bust?



I remember a news story a while ago where the entire prostitution bust hinged on the fact that the officer ejaculated in the prostitutes mouth rather than her start performing oral sex on him then he busts her. I remember being really shocked at how common it was for officers to have actual sexual contact before making an arrest. Naively, I thought the busts were like the ones on tv. Price list for sex, then an arrest.

An Arky
05-14-2011, 04:19 PM
There is no substitute for sex with someone who actually wants to have sex with you, no matter how much you pay.

Not moralizing at all; it's just better sex.

Shagnasty
05-14-2011, 08:03 PM
I remember a news story a while ago where the entire prostitution bust hinged on the fact that the officer ejaculated in the prostitutes mouth rather than her start performing oral sex on him then he busts her. I remember being really shocked at how common it was for officers to have actual sexual contact before making an arrest. Naively, I thought the busts were like the ones on tv. Price list for sex, then an arrest.

Police Detective: "Prostitution is an even scrounge on this city commissioner. I don't care how long it takes for me to get rid of it even if I have to screw even damn last one of them personally."