How will quitting as governor affect Palin's chances.

[SenorBeef]

You are kidding, right?

No, what's wrong with them?

Having control of the debt limit has never been a presidential power, nor is there any compelling reason it should be. Would you have rushed to give Bush unilateral control of the debt limit?

Besides that, you're not only saying you disagree, you're saying she's retarded for even holding that position. Why? Is this so cut and dried that it's just purely obvious that this should pass and the president should have that power? No debate, just straight up anyone who doesn't agree with this proposition - which is a weird political gimmick tactic in itself - is ignorant?

[Chronos]

Quoth gonzomax:She does not know a thing. She is pretty and appeals to those who do not care but think pretty is enough. It is hard to refudiate that. No, I can refute that. She's not pretty. Her face looks like it was molded out of plastic.

Quoth SenorBeefp:Having control of the debt limit has never been a presidential power, nor is there any compelling reason it should be. Would you have rushed to give Bush unilateral control of the debt limit? No, I wouldn't have, because it's a stupid idea. Just because it's stupid doesn't make it unconstitutional, though.

[SenorBeef]

Oh come on. The constitution does enumerate the seperation of powers even if we do ignore it pretty much entirely. You can make a reasonable case that controlling the debt ceiling is not a function of the presidency. You can also disagree with that. But let's not treat it like she said OH LOL JESUS SAID DINOSAURS here, it's a perfectly reasonable stance to take on the issue.

[Knorf]

Having control of the debt limit has never been a presidential power, nor is there any compelling reason it should be. Would you have rushed to give Bush unilateral control of the debt limit?
News flash: there's a big, big difference between "bad idea" and "unconstitutional."

Besides that, you're not only saying you disagree, you're saying she's retarded for even holding that position. Why? Is this so cut and dried that it's just purely obvious that this should pass and the president should have that power? No debate, just straight up anyone who doesn't agree with this proposition - which is a weird political gimmick tactic in itself - is ignorant?
Her comments about constitutionality display rather profound ignorance, yes.

Please note that I did not use the word "retarded."

[SenorBeef]

Ok then, specifically what section of the constitution grants either the executive the ability to control the debt ceiling, or congress the ability to make laws granting someone else the ability to control the debt ceiling?

Be specific.

[Chronos]

The same part of the Constitution that gave Congress the authority to set a debt ceiling to begin with.

[SenorBeef]

I'm not quite sure legally exactly how the debt limit works. If the debt limit is raised, does Congress still have to go in and specify exactly when it will incur debt, or do treasury bonds automatically sell to whatever the debt ceiling allows them, should it be needed to face current expenditures?

If the law regarding the debt ceiling automatically grants the treasury the ability to sell t-bills without a specific order from Congress, then the ability to set the debt ceiling is effectively the indirect ability to borrow. Which is a power granted to Congress, not the presidency. Hence you could make a case for it being in violation of the constitution.

This assessment may very well be wrong, but wrong is a different issue than "OMG REALLY SHE SAID THAT YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS", like what she said here was just another Paul Revere hisory lesson or something. If someone with more credibility had said it, it'd seem like a reasonable point.

So there's no reason to pile on here like it's the dumbest thing anyone has ever said just because she said it, snce there's plenty of stupid shit she's said. This is one of the few times she's actually said something that at least sounds like a reasonable case could be made for it.

[Knorf]

I am not a constitutional lawyer. But here's what I understand about the issue:

Congress has the right to pass laws (Article 1, Section 8). Nothing in the constitution explicitly concerns laws about the creation of a "debt ceiling." Congress can therefore pass laws authorizing a debt ceiling, whether the authority is vested in themselves or ceded to the president or some other authority, such as the Federal Reserve, which has been authorized by Congress (Federal Reserve Act, 1913) to dictate monetary policy in the U.S., such as by setting the federal funds rate. Authorizing control of the "debt ceiling" really is no different in principle.

There has been some question about whether creating a debt limit is unconstitutional in the first place, but I don't buy that either.

Anyway, Palin is full of fail for stating that McConnell's suggestion is unconstitutional. If it were, then the Federal Reserve would be, too. (I am not implying that the Federal Reserve is part of the executive branch, just that the principle is the same.)

[Knorf]

This assessment may very well be wrong, but wrong is a different issue than "OMG REALLY SHE SAID THAT YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS", like what she said here was just another Paul Revere hisory lesson or something. If someone with more credibility had said it, it'd seem like a reasonable point.
In thinking about it some more, I accept this point.

I will add however that my remark referring to Palin as "fucking ignorant" also referred to her statement about Obama "manipulating" the economy. That's an absurd remark on the face of it and deserves ridicule. Obama has no direct control of the economy, and cannot "manipulate" it in any sense that does justice to the word. All presidential effect on the economy is indirect. Congress has the direct control.

[Recovering Republican]

You really believe those who worked for her are fine with her walking off to fill her pockets?
She has become a Clown Princess since she quit for the greed train. She makes strings of stupid comments that most political commentators have comedy fun with. Today she claims the debt ceiling deal is unconstitutional. She believes drinking a Pepsi instead of a Coke is unconstitutional. She is a national joke. A fountain of misspeaks and mistakes.

Looking at 2010 and how you guys took a bath in that one, I don't think anyone should be laughing. 80% of candiates she supported won.

[CaptMurdock]

Looking at 2010 and how you guys took a bath in that one, I don't think anyone should be laughing. 80% of candiates she supported won.

Gains made by the opposition party during midterm elections make you think she's Einstein? "Why out here in the Mojave Desert you won't find a single shark, thanks to this here can of Shark Repellent..."

[SenorBeef]

Gains made by the opposition party during midterm elections make you think she's Einstein? "Why out here in the Mojave Desert you won't find a single shark, thanks to this here can of Shark Repellent..."

Well, don't forget he called the 2010 Republican taking of the house the most impressive thing EVER.

[Recovering Republican]

Gains made by the opposition party during midterm elections make you think she's Einstein? "Why out here in the Mojave Desert you won't find a single shark, thanks to this here can of Shark Repellent..."

These are the largest gains any party has made in house seats since the 1938 election, and in 1938, Republicans had so few seats they had nowhere to go but up. Palin had a lot to do with that while Romney sat on the sidelines.

Incidently, I don't think she's actually running this time.

[gonzomax]

Looking at 2010 and how you guys took a bath in that one, I don't think anyone should be laughing. 80% of candiates she supported won.

You are suggesting that her support is the reason they won? Fox supported them too. But that would not impact an election like one goofy quitter saying she was behind them?
She went out of her way to back a couple real bagger types who lost. They of course would not matter.

[raspberry hunter]

I couldn't actually get through this thread, but I have this to say in regards to the original question:

I was quite sympathetic to Palin when she was running for VP. I thought she was doing a pretty good job as governor and didn't display too many signs of craziness as governor. I thought the media was throwing her under a bus and extremely magnifying anything even faintly stupid she said. I liked how she admitted she didn't know things rather than most politicians who just make crap up when they don't know stuff, even though she caught a lot of flak for sounding stupid when she did that. I loved how she was a soccer mom who wasn't dependent on her husband for her political aspirations (*cough*Hillary). I wasn't going to vote for her as VP (because I didn't like McCain), but, you know, I could see myself voting for her.

And then she quit her job as governor. And that day I gave up in disgust. I admitted the Palin-bashers were right. I swore I was never ever going to vote for her for anything.

So, yes, I think it hurts her chances.

[gonzomax]

I couldn't actually get through this thread, but I have this to say in regards to the original question:

I was quite sympathetic to Palin when she was running for VP. I thought she was doing a pretty good job as governor and didn't display too many signs of craziness as governor. I thought the media was throwing her under a bus and extremely magnifying anything even faintly stupid she said. I liked how she admitted she didn't know things rather than most politicians who just make crap up when they don't know stuff, even though she caught a lot of flak for sounding stupid when she did that. I loved how she was a soccer mom who wasn't dependent on her husband for her political aspirations (*cough*Hillary). I wasn't going to vote for her as VP (because I didn't like McCain), but, you know, I could see myself voting for her.

And then she quit her job as governor. And that day I gave up in disgust. I admitted the Palin-bashers were right. I swore I was never ever going to vote for her for anything.

So, yes, I think it hurts her chances.

It should be a 100 percent total deal breaker. It can not be forgiven.