Bachmann announces she's running

[gonzomax]

Well, I just proved you wrong, because I've worked in the private market my entire life. Small and large businesses, self-employed, wage serf, you name it. I've never gone near a public sector job.

The fact is, in the end the market forces people to cooperate for their own self interest.

So unAmerican. We are supposed to encourage competition. That is where innovation and price competition lives. But cooperation between so called competitors is a disaster for American consumers. We have oligarchies in many fields making a disaster for American competition. As an example .our internet speed is 17th in the world. Countries with real competition have faster and faster internet speeds to lure customers. They have lower prices too because of competition. They have improved the systems too.
Our providers convinced the government to allow them to add 5 bucks a customer, billions of dollars, to help maintain and improve the internet pipelines. They pocketed it.

[Really Not All That Bright]

The fact is, in the end the market forces people to cooperate for their own self interest.
Is safe drinking water in everyone's self interest?

[Knorf]

The fact is, in the end the market forces people to cooperate for their own self interest.

Yes, and that cooperation is called, in some places, government: the only real recourse the many people without power have against the very few who do.

[CaptMurdock]

The fact is, in the end the market forces people to cooperate for their own self interest.

Since you've obviously just discovered humor, I'm going to give you some advice: Less Is More. Statements like the one you made are what we call "over-the-top" and have no subtlety.

[tnetennba]

She's done. (http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/18/stress-related-condition-incapacitates-bachmann-heavy-pill-use-alleged/)

[SenorBeef]

Well that makes for a less interesting and crazy primary season.

She should run anyway. I'm pretty sure even the reanimated corpse of a goat would be more competant than The One.

[tnetennba]

Which one?

[jayjay]

She's done. (http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/18/stress-related-condition-incapacitates-bachmann-heavy-pill-use-alleged/)

Interesting. That link is over at Fucker Carlson's new playground, the Daily Caller, so it's not some liberal rag trying to smear her.

[SenorBeef]

The One. The one we all worship because he has us mind controlled.

[tnetennba]

The One. The one we all worship because he has us mind controlled.

You mean Glenn Beck, then. I agree. That would be even worse. But he's not running.

[tnetennba]

Interesting. That link is over at Fucker Carlson's new playground, the Daily Caller, so it's not some liberal rag trying to smear her.

Do you think they're making it up?

[Knorf]

She's done. (http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/18/stress-related-condition-incapacitates-bachmann-heavy-pill-use-alleged/)

Clearly, God is smiting her for her sins.

[jayjay]

Do you think they're making it up?

Well, just because it's not some liberal rag trying to smear her, doesn't mean it's not some Chamber-of-Commerce rag trying to smear her. It's possible it's a set-up to get the front-running tea partier off the train so Mittens, the darling of the business wing, can get a clear shot.

[tnetennba]

Glad your filter's working Jay.

[CaptMurdock]

The One. The one we all worship because he has us mind controlled.

The Hypno-Toad is running? Awesome!

:rolleyes:

[Typo Knig]

She's done. (http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/18/stress-related-condition-incapacitates-bachmann-heavy-pill-use-alleged/)

Only if the story pans out. Was she admitted to the hospitals listed in the story, or to any hospital at the identified dates? Does she get migraines? How often? Does she in fact carry meds for them? If Carlson's anonymous sources are lying to him this is a non-story. If they are telling the truth then she has to start answering a lot of medical questions.

[tnetennba]

Yeah, it remains to be seen if the "liberal" media will jump all over Bachmann popping pills the way they ought to.

[Gyrate]

The One. The one we all worship because he has us mind controlled.Ah yes. I remember that moment during Obama's speech to the Democratic National Convention where we all together decided that truly he was the Messiah, the Chosen One who would lead us all from the neocon darkness into the light of liberalnessitude.

In fact, here's a dramatic reconstruction of what happened (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veSMbnbdNro). It's just how I remember it...

[The Altruist]

http://www.thealtruistonline.com/2011/07/july-2011-michelle-bachmann/

[Chronos]

Which one? That one.

[Frank]

Well, just because it's not some liberal rag trying to smear her, doesn't mean it's not some Chamber-of-Commerce rag trying to smear her. It's possible it's a set-up to get the front-running tea partier off the train so Mittens, the darling of the business wing, can get a clear shot.
She's not denying it (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2011/07/19/bachmann_migraines_wont_impede_white_house_goals/).
She insisted that her symptoms are controlled with prescription medication and have not gotten in the way of a packed presidential campaign schedule or impaired her service in Congress.

...

Neither [campaign aides] nor Bachmann disputed accounts that she sought out urgent medical treatment during past migraine episodes.

That doesn't strike me as "controlled". I guess as President she would have urgent medical attention available at all times, but I must confess I'm a bit troubled by the concept of a President that becomes incapacitated by stress-related migraines.

[CPomeroy]

This poll was taken before the recent reveal on the heath issues, but still interesting. http://www.startribune.com/politics/blogs/125812498.html

[jayjay]

That doesn't strike me as "controlled". I guess as President she would have urgent medical attention available at all times, but I must confess I'm a bit troubled by the concept of a President that becomes incapacitated by stress-related migraines.

Possibly. Though there's enough already wrong with the woman that I'd be more than a bit troubled about if she ever became president that a couple of migraines a month don't even get a peek in the door.

[tnetennba]

It's not the migraines. It's the pill popping.

[jsgoddess]

It's not the migraines. It's the pill popping.

I wouldn't call taking legitimate prescription medication "pill popping." I didn't see that anyone was saying she was using illicit drugs.


This poll was taken before the recent reveal on the heath issues, but still interesting. http://www.startribune.com/politics/blogs/125812498.html

Pawlenty is behind Cain AND Gingrich! My god.

[SeldomSeen]

Possibly. Though there's enough already wrong with the woman that I'd be more than a bit troubled about if she ever became president that a couple of migraines a month don't even get a peek in the door.

Yeah, I would echo what jayjay said. Michelle Bachmann's deficiencies are so many and varied that migraines don't even register. A number of presidents have served more-or-less effectively in spite of various ailments. JFK was in constant pain (and medicated) from back injuries, FDR was in pitiful shape, some say barely even aware, by the time he won a fourth term. Reagan managed to fill out his term effectively enough despite being in the early stages of alzheimer's. Franklin Pierce was a hard core alcoholic and still managed to escape disaster, although no one has ever called him a good president.

I'd be far more concerned about MB's religious mania, fascistic bent, pathological lying and general craziness than pills and migraines.
SS

[pseudotriton ruber ruber]

I'd be far more concerned about MB's religious mania, fascistic bent, pathological lying and general craziness than pills and migraines.

Yes, but it's fun IMAGINING what the righties would have to say if it were revealed that Obama took a baby aspirin every single day to ward off potential heart attacks.

Weakling!! Unfit for office! Pill-popper!! Junkie!!! Drug-dependant! Negro!

[Chronos]

That article says that she gets these migraines about once a week, and that each incapacitates her for a few days at a time. In other words, she spends a third to a half of her time incapacitated. There are very few jobs where that's acceptable, and President of the United States isn't one of them.

[MPB in Salt Lake]

Weakling!! Unfit for office! Pill-popper!! Junkie!!! Drug-dependant! Negro!

I regularly get called all these things (and often worse) every time I pop into my local bar for a quick beer....

[tnetennba]

I wouldn't call taking legitimate prescription medication "pill popping." I didn't see that anyone was saying she was using illicit drugs.

Elvis only took prescription drugs.

[Knorf]

Elvis only took prescription drugs.

So did Rush Limbaugh.

[Captain Amazing]

So did Rush Limbaugh.

They both abused prescription drugs. Is she?

[Merijeek]

They both abused prescription drugs. Is she?

Of course not. Like both of them she's white and affluent.

-Joe

[Captain Amazing]

The criticism of both Limbaugh and Elvis came because they were abusing prescription drugs. It's not just because they were using them. Most people use prescription drugs, and there's no stigma attached to that, obviously.

So, I don't understand where that criticism comes in, unless she's abusing the drugs; taking them to get high or whatever. If she has a legitimate medical condition that she's using the drugs to treat, what the hell is the matter with that? And what does her being white and affluent have to do with it? We'd look down on somebody who's poor and black who gets migraines for taking anti-migraine drugs?

[Chronos]

That's assuming the migraine story is accurate. I'm guessing (without evidence yet; that's why it's a guess) that the "condition" the pills are treating is withdrawal, and the hospitalizations have been for overdoses.

[ShibbOleth]

So, I don't understand where that criticism comes in, unless she's abusing the drugs; taking them to get high or whatever. If she has a legitimate medical condition that she's using the drugs to treat, what the hell is the matter with that? And what does her being white and affluent have to do with it? We'd look down on somebody who's poor and black who gets migraines for taking anti-migraine drugs?

I used to work with a woman, who coincidentally was also one of the craziest people* that I've ever had to deal with on a day-to-day basis, who also suffered from debilitating migraines. The problem was that she'd often call in sick to her work, saying she had to lie perfectly still on her bed with all sunlight blocked out.

In today's news the word is that Bachmann missed votes and had to stop work because of her migraines. So it's certainly germane to her ability to govern.

Politico has one of the most comprehensive looks here (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/59433.html#ixzz1Semb1KwM). The basics: Bachmann's migraines have forced her to miss a number of votes during her time in Congress, and have also brought a sudden halt to her work day.

“On multiple occasions, we had to basically turn out the lights in her office, shut the door, and put a virtual do-not-disturb sign on her office for hours on end so she could lie there and try to recuperate from the headaches,” one former staffer told Politico.

Bachmann's camp has pushed back hard – maybe a little too hard (see Update #2) – against the notion that the migraines could impede her ability to perform her duties if elected president.


Above is from Slate updates on the story (http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/07/19/michele_bachmann_migraines_headache_former_employees_presidency_.html).

*Maybe some migraine meds cause the Crazy? It would help explain why my cow-orker thought that the government was spying on her and controlling our thoughts with contrails.

[Knorf]

The criticism of both Limbaugh and Elvis came because they were abusing prescription drugs. It's not just because they were using them. Most people use prescription drugs, and there's no stigma attached to that, obviously.
Obviously.

I really don't think there's a story here, unless even with meds Bachmann is frequently disabled by her migraines. That might be deemed a sufficiently severe health problem that the presidency would be a bad idea for her.

Of course it's a bad idea for her for manifest other reasons, having nothing to do with her health.

[Captain Lance Murdoch]

What I find interesting is not that Bachmann has migraines, but rather that someone felt threatened enough by her to feel the need to leak this to the press.

By the way, I'm not the CaptMurdock person.

[Steve MB]

What I find interesting is not that Bachmann has migraines, but rather that someone felt threatened enough by her to feel the need to leak this to the press.

Given the venue, I'm guessing that it's somebody in the GOP Old Guard, worried that she'll get nominated and lead them to a 1964-redux fiasco.

[Typo Knig]

Given the venue, I'm guessing that it's somebody in the GOP Old Guard, worried that she'll get nominated and lead them to a 1964-redux fiasco.

Or maybe it's someone who realizes that a POTUS who can be suddenly unavailable for several hours/a day/some days at a time on random occassions, or during stressful occassions, would be bad for the country.

If she's really missed votes due to her migraines, Bachmann's campaign is in a lot of trouble.

[Merijeek]

Given the venue, I'm guessing that it's somebody in the GOP Old Guard, worried that she'll get nominated and lead them to a 1964-redux fiasco.

That can't be. I've heard numerous times that as long as unemployment is high Obama will lose. So they may as well go for all the (lost) marbles!

-Joe

[Yllaria]

Migraines are nasty buggers and most doctors have a very scattershot way of treating them, mostly because there is no standard treatment that works for everyone. Some people have very strong triggers, and the triggers vary. Others don't. Most of the medications are pills that you take every day to try and decrease the frequency, although there are newer meds now that can be taken at onset. Most of the meds have the same potential for abuse that blood pressure meds have. There is no rush or sense of relief when you take them, with a couple of exceptions.

The frequency of migraines tends to peak in one's early to mid thirties, then gradually lessen until they're mostly gone some time in one's fifties. Back in the day, when mine started happening every two weeks, I started pushing the doctors to get rid of them. We cycled through about four different medications and managed to increase the frequency to twice a week. When a try at biofeedback failed, the doctor said that for some people biofeedback acts as a trigger. Joy.

I started keeping notes and found that talking about headaches (which is hard to avoid when you're flat on your back 2-4 days a week) tended to trigger them. So that actively treating them, and evaluating changing meds, tended to trigger them, too. That truly sucked.

I read everything I could get my hands on about migraines (which also tended to trigger them) and self-discovered that chronic low doses of caffiene worked for me. That's one of the exceptions to the statement above that the treatments provide no rush or sense of relief. Most of you know the feel of a hit of caffiene.

The other exception that I know of is a med with barbiturates in it (which had as a possible side effect "may give a false sense of well-being"). That put me right to sleep, which was useless. I was already able to sleep through the damn things, what I wanted was my time back.

Anyway, this is a long way of saying that taking pills for migraines is very much not pill-popping, at least not usually. That having the meds change is the nature of the beast, especially at the beginning of treatment. And that treating the damn things can make them worse. So staying in contact with the doctor and asking for changes is not a red flag, in itself.

As for the hospitalizations, well, I took the hint and dropped half of my course load instead of running for president. (Re-entry student - yes, I was in my thirties.) Trying to stubborn through a series of migraines is a good way to exhaust yourself. Unless she finds a mix of meds that will let her keep up, she needs to pull back until she ages enough to drop the frequency.

[gonzomax]

The criticism of both Limbaugh and Elvis came because they were abusing prescription drugs. It's not just because they were using them. Most people use prescription drugs, and there's no stigma attached to that, obviously.

So, I don't understand where that criticism comes in, unless she's abusing the drugs; taking them to get high or whatever. If she has a legitimate medical condition that she's using the drugs to treat, what the hell is the matter with that? And what does her being white and affluent have to do with it? We'd look down on somebody who's poor and black who gets migraines for taking anti-migraine drugs?

If memory serves, Rush was caught obtaining false prescriptions and taking a very addictive drug, oxycotin, in amounts far over his prescribed dosage. He also railed against people who were addicted to drugs on his show, when he was actually addicted himself.

[pseudotriton ruber ruber]

Hmmm, this could be a serious setback. I was considering voting for this hate-filled, ignorant, religious-nutjob ninny to be the leader of the Free World, but now that I know that she has debilitating headaches, too, it's off.

[Knorf]

Hmmm, this could be a serious setback. I was considering voting for this hate-filled, ignorant, religious-nutjob ninny to be the leader of the Free World, but now that I know that she has debilitating headaches, too, it's off.

Haha! Nice!

But anyway, the headaches thing could dissuade some potential voters who don't think she is a "hate-filled, ignorant, religious-nutjob ninny." Of course same voters would vote for a Democrat at about the same time octopuses develop social networking.

[gonzomax]

Or maybe it's someone who realizes that a POTUS who can be suddenly unavailable for several hours/a day/some days at a time on random occassions, or during stressful occassions, would be bad for the country.

If she's really missed votes due to her migraines, Bachmann's campaign is in a lot of trouble.
They will deny, deny, deny.

[tnetennba]

She released a doctor's letter stating that the migraines are non debilitating and naming the medications she takes. I might have been overly optimistic that people who don't care that she's batshit crazy would care that she's always down with a headache. Since they are stress related SHE should know she's not up for this, but the campaign will prove that.

And to be clear, this is, indeed, the least of the reasons why she would be a horrible president.

[Merijeek]

I'm sorry, but that just isn't believable. I will assume that this is all a until I can see her doctor under oath and she is examined by George Soros's personal physician

-Joe

[filmore]

She released a doctor's letter stating that the migraines are non debilitating and naming the medications she takes..

Is it even possible to have non-debilitating migraines? Are there really medications that take make a migraine be more like a regular headache? My daughter gets migraines and it's a minimum of 2 hours of crying and throwing up. Afterwards she's a little loopy for a while. She does take some meds, but it just barely takes the edge off.

[waterj2]

She released a doctor's letter stating that the migraines are non debilitating and naming the medications she takes. I might have been overly optimistic that people who don't care that she's batshit crazy would care that she's always down with a headache. Since they are stress related SHE should know she's not up for this, but the campaign will prove that.But was it the original, long-form, doctor's note?

[F. U. Shakespeare]

But was it the original, long-form, doctor's note?I heard she's originally from Canada, and I'm pretty sure Canadian doctors don't write long-form notes.

[tnetennba]

But was it the original, long-form, doctor's note?

+1

[Merijeek]

But was it the original, long-form, doctor's note?

Everyone knows migraines don't actually exist. What is she really hiding and why didn't we hear abbott these "migraines" earlier?

-Joe

[rocking chair]

costello she has been busy telling everyone the debt ceiling isn't falling.

[Exapno Mapcase]

Is it even possible to have non-debilitating migraines? Are there really medications that take make a migraine be more like a regular headache? My daughter gets migraines and it's a minimum of 2 hours of crying and throwing up. Afterwards she's a little loopy for a while. She does take some meds, but it just barely takes the edge off.

There are dozens of medications that are used for migraines. Migraines are quite individualistic and it's hard shading to impossible to predict one person's treatment off of any others. The meds out there range from those used prophylactically to prevent migraines to meds that can stop the symptoms when one is coming on to meds that are used to treat the symptoms after the migraine is full-bore.

Bachmann is on sumatriptan, which is used prophylactically, and on odensetron, which controls nausea and vomiting, common symptoms from migraines. That's standard stuff.

Even if she were on much stronger drugs, it wouldn't be a problem. I've worked with women who have had migraines their entire adult lives and walk around with injectors that get drugs into them in a hurry when a migraine is coming on. They are types who work typical 50-60 hours weeks, and more at times, and do better work than anyone around them.

I would be worried if there were any truth to the rumor that Bachmann needed to be hospitalized once a week for migraines, or even once a month. I haven't seen any evidence at all for this, and you'd think that a public figure like her would find this impossible to hide. The Politico article documents three times in five years, once after an appendectomy. Most people in their mid-50s have had a few sick days and a surgery in the past five years.

The real problem is not Bachmann but the near-total lack of understanding among the public about one of the commonest ailments in the country. Maybe she can use this as an opportunity to do some education on the issue. Being the Betty Ford of migraines would be a great legacy. Unless something far more serious comes out, though - always possible in today's world - this is a non-issue.

[Jack Batty]

On the other hand, let's take a visit to Shoe-On-The-Other-Foot world. In this world, a news story is broken that President Obama suffers from debilitating migraines, which put him out of action for hours at a stretch, where he can do nothing but lay down in a dark room with no sound, but he’s taking a host of different drugs to regulate the symptoms.

In that world, incompetence hearings would be scheduled by the Republicans before the page finished loading on FoxNews.com.

[Kolga]

On the other hand, let's take a visit to Shoe-On-The-Other-Foot world. In this world, a news story is broken that President Obama suffers from debilitating migraines, which put him out of action for hours at a stretch, where he can do nothing but lay down in a dark room with no sound, but he’s taking a host of different drugs to regulate the symptoms.

In that world, incompetence hearings would be scheduled by the Republicans before the page finished loading on FoxNews.com.

Bingo.

Let's not pretend that this is a nothing issue - Bachmann is asking people to vote for her after revealing that she has a medical condition that is exacerbated by stress. I'm hesitant to say that we should require only people who are in perfect physical health to run for office, but it does seem to me that the office of President of the United States is a bit stressful, and if it's true that these migraines incapacitate her for days at a time (as has been reported in some sources), then this particular condition is a legitimate cause for concern. Not necessarily a deal-breaker.

But if the shoe were on the other foot, the Teabaggers and the GOP would be demanding that Obama step down "for the good of the country," or would start impeachment hearings over his failure to reveal his health condition during his campaign.

[tnetennba]

To be fair, I would be plagued by headaches if I had to spend that much time with Michele Bachmann.

[gonzomax]

To be fair, I would be plagued by headaches if I had to spend that much time with Michele Bachmann.

Or Marcus? They deserve each other. We do not deserve either of them.

[Jack Batty]

Oh, come on. Lay off Marcus. He's faaaabulous!

[gonzomax]

Oh, come on. Lay off Marcus. He's faaaabulous!

She will have to hide him in a campaign. He clangs gaydar all across the land.

[Onomatopoeia]

Bachmann has about as much chance at the nomination as Gingrich, that is to say none. As I've said before, it's Romney's to lose.

With Romney on one side, trying to navigate around the Tea Party, changing his positions with each audience he faces, forgetting that those cameras facing him actually record the stuff he says, and the crazy wing of the GOP on the other, all trying to out-crazy and out-God each other to sew up support from primary voters, the majority of which are Tea Party sympathizers, this primary season is going to be fascinating.

[tnetennba]

Has Bachmann pinned the Olso bombing on Obama yet, or is she going to wait a few hours?

[Rhythmdvl]

Has Bachmann pinned the Olso bombing on Obama yet, or is she going to wait a few hours?

It's rushes to judgment and baseless assumptions like this that lower the Board's standing as a rational place for considered discussion. You should be ashamed of this knee jerk-like response.

Clearly, it's the Guliani exploratory committee that's likely to blame the Oslo bombing on Obama.

[Merijeek]

Clearly, it's the Guliani exploratory committee that's likely to blame the Oslo bombing on Obama.

He's running for mayor of Oslo?

-Joe

[Finagle]

So here's (http://www.politicususa.com/en/michele-bachmann-god-voice) an article by some (probable) non-believer who feels like kicking the beehive. His basic tenet is that hearing the voice of God telling you what to do is tantamount to being insane and ergo, Bachmann is nuts. Frankly, I think the author has an axe to grind and someone saying "God inspired me to run" usually doesn't imply that they heard the actual voice.

Still, brings up some interesting questions:

a. Does Bachmann claim that God literally told her to run? As in, did she actually hear voices?

b. What are the odds that she is literally and not just figuratively batshit crazy? I've heard some of her interviews, and her ability to completely ignore interviewer's questions in order to hammer on some bit of rhetoric seems to me to be even beyond your normal politician's, as does her ability to disregard consensual reality.

c. If you were an armchair psychiatrist and were forced to give a DSM IV of Bachmann, what would you choose?

[Rhythmdvl]

c. If you were an armchair psychiatrist and were forced to give a DSM IV of Bachmann, what would you choose?
To gnaw my own arm off, club her with the book (it's pretty big), and do that Bugs Bunny strut out to public accolade.

[fumster]

Bachmann has about as much chance at the nomination as Gingrich, that is to say none. As I've said before, it's Romney's to lose.

With Romney on one side, trying to navigate around the Tea Party, changing his positions with each audience he faces, forgetting that those cameras facing him actually record the stuff he saysI've said it before, but it is so damn insightful that I'll repeat it. Romney's political views are in superposition. He holds all possible beliefs simultaneously and it is only when he is measured (by speaking in front of a particular audience) that he collapses to a single position.

[Chronos]

The metaphor doesn't work. With quantum superposition and wavefunction collapse, if you measure one variable, and then measure it again in the next experiment, you get the same result.

[Rhythmdvl]

I thought that was only true if you made no other interim measurements. Given that he has never been asked the same question again in front of a different audience without being asked another question at some other time, the state measurment of the first question is once again in superposition.

Correct that one, bitch :)

[Chronos]

I quote myself: "...and then measure it again in the next experiment...".

Even so, you'd think that at least some policies would commute, such that he could be in an eigenstate of both at once.

[tnetennba]

This sounds like science, so it's nothing to do with Bachmann.

[Merijeek]

This sounds like science, so it's nothing to do with Bachmann.

A wizard did it.

-Joe, !!SCIENCE!!

[gonzomax]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/07/27/bachmann-borrowed-from-the-federal-home-loan-programs-she-wanted-to-shut-down/

Bachmann took a loan backed by Fredie for 417,000 dollars while screaming about the organization in front of congress. She is a lying hypocritical bitch who wants to get a job she does not qualify for. She is a joke.

[a35362]

Bachmann says she, not husband, running for office (http://news.yahoo.com/bachmann-says-she-not-husband-running-office-201319758.html)

So there's that question answered!

She also says, "Unlike all of you, who I'm sure paid cash for your homes, there are people out there like myself who actually have to go to a bank to get a mortgage."

:eek: Sarcasm? Cluelessness? Doesn't nearly everybody have to borrow to buy a house?

[Merijeek]

A Fannie/Freddie loan at that. Just remember, folks, IOKIYAR, kids!

-Joe

[Chefguy]

Refusing to talk about her husband or his finances smacks of shady dealings. Her FNMA and GNMA comments are a major faux pas. What's next: blaming the lamestream media for 'gotcha' questions? She's self-destructing right before our eyes, and amen to that.

[gonzomax]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-ultimate-collection-of-stupid-michele-bachmann
I put this in the pit too. How much stupid can you person utter? You would have to be blindfolded and have ear plugs in all the time to believe this woman deserves consideration.

[Finagle]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-ultimate-collection-of-stupid-michele-bachmann
I put this in the pit too. How much stupid can you person utter? You would have to be blindfolded and have ear plugs in all the time to believe this woman deserves consideration.

The problem with that article is that the roughly 30% of the nation goes down that list saying "yep, yep, yep, I agree, testify sister, uh huh, of course, right again, yup, well sure, I knew that, ..."

[The Tooth]

I think that's more of a problem with 30% of your nation. It's not the article's fault they're buffoons.

[otternell]

One of my co-workers would love to see Michele as President - and since his hero Glenn Beck agrees, he knows he's right.

[Knorf]

The problem with that article is that the roughly 30% of the nation goes down that list saying "yep, yep, yep, I agree, testify sister, uh huh, of course, right again, yup, well sure, I knew that, ..."

It might be more than 30%.

[Two Many Cats]

I just want to check in to say that the word "respect" does not mean the same thing as "submissive".

Stupid cow.

[a35362]

She didn't answer the question, did she? We had to ask her what she meant by "submissive," and now we have to ask her what she meant by "respect". She just substituted one word for another, and we still don't know what's going on in that noggin of hers.

[Uncle Jocko]

She didn't answer the question, did she? We had to ask her what she meant by "submissive," and now we have to ask her what she meant by "respect". She just substituted one word for another, and we still don't know what's going on in that noggin of hers.

Best hiding places to spy on gay rights rallies ... figuring out which camera to look into during TV appearances ... what happened to the other "L" missing from her first name. Things like that.

[Fear Itself]

She didn't answer the question, did she? We had to ask her what she meant by "submissive," and now we have to ask her what she meant by "respect". She just substituted one word for another, and we still don't know what's going on in that noggin of hers.Someone should have asked if that means her husband is submissive to her.

[a35362]

Who were the twits in the audience who booed the asking of a perfectly reasonable and sensible question, one which Bachmann's own people had no problem with?

[Chronos]

Which question was that?

[a35362]

About what she means by "submissive."

[gonzomax]

She say submissive means respectful. That is not true. There is a strong religious connotation and she claims to be super religious.
If she meant respectful of her husband, she could have said so. She was trying to cover and failed.

[Fear Itself]

Bachmann's entire New Hampshire staff quits: (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20124047-503544/key-aide-leaves-bachmann-for-perry-in-mass-exodus-of-n.h-campaign-staff/)
The entire paid New Hampshire staff for Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann has resigned, in another blow to the Minnesota congresswoman's foundering campaign.

Jeff Chidester, Bachmann's former New Hampshire campaign director, confirmed the mass exodus. "The New Hampshire team has quit," he said. "We'll issue a joint statement as to our reasons why."

[gonzomax]

Was god having fun with her? Why did he ask her to run ? So she would lose and gain humility? So the country could see how crazy some politicians are?

[Chefguy]

I blame the homosekshulls.

[Really Not All That Bright]

A "joint statement" does sound pretty gay.

[Gyrate]

That link also led me to this one: U.S. got "kicked out" of Iraq (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-20124360/michele-bachmann-u.s-got-kicked-out-of-iraq/?tag=re1.galleries)Bachmann also argued Sunday that Iraq had "disrespected" the U.S. in outlining its conditions for continued U.S. presence there, and urged Mr. Obama to "return to the negotiating table" with the Iraqi government and demand full reimbursement for the $700 billion America has spent on the war over the last eight years.

"The problem is, we've put a lot of deposit into this situation with Iraq," Bachmann told CBS' Bob Schieffer. "To think that we are so disrespected and they have so little fear of the United States that there would be nothing that we would gain from this? That's why I've called on President Obama to return to the negotiating table.

"The Obama administration has said they've gotten everything they wanted. They got exactly nothing," Bachmann said. "I believe that Iraq should reimburse the United States fully for the amount of money that we have spent to liberate these people. They're not a poor country. They're a wealthy country. I think that they need to do that, because what we will be leaving behind is a nation that is very fragile and will be subject to dominance by Iran and their influence in the region. That's not good."This is clearly the woman we want running our military and foreign policy.

[Really Not All That Bright]

"And how will sir be paying for this occupation?"

[Fear Itself]

Shock and Owe

[Onomatopoeia]

That link also led me to this one: U.S. got "kicked out" of Iraq (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-20124360/michele-bachmann-u.s-got-kicked-out-of-iraq/?tag=re1.galleries)This is clearly the woman we want running our military and foreign policy.What a blithering idiot Bachmann is. I'd be worried if she had any chance at all of becoming president.

Yes, the Iraqi people should compensate us for the privilege of allowing us to destroy their country, kill tens of thousands of their citizens, and displace hundreds of thousands. Why didn't I think of that?

Oh Michelle, why don't you just go away and abuse some more kids by adopting and raising them in that religious asylum you call a home with your closet case of a husband, you bloody ignoramus.

[Fear Itself]

Oh Michelle, why don't you just go away and abuse some more kids by adopting and raising them in that religious asylum you call a home with your closet case of a husband, you bloody ignoramus.Some of those kids must be adults now; I wonder if anybody has tracked hem down to see if there are any that would tell tales out of school.

[Euphonious Polemic]

Iraq should reimburse the United States fully for the amount of money that we have spent to liberate these people. ... because what we will be leaving behind is a nation that is very fragile and will be subject to dominance by Iran and their influence in the region.

These two things do not compute. Iraq should reimburse because they are fragile and subject to dominance by a third country? How will this help them?

[Onomatopoeia]

These two things do not compute. Iraq should reimburse because they are fragile and subject to dominance by a third country? How will this help them?It's hard to believe Backmann's as clueless as she seems, but she's approaching Sarah Palin levels of idiocy with the nonsense she's been spouting lately.

I think Backmann knows her audience all too well, and knows they'll lap up any garbage she spews, no matter how ridiculous, especially if it's a slam against Obama.

[Jack Batty]

And if Iraq doesn't pay up ... we invade!

[Gyrate]

And we'll send them the bill for that too!

[Really Not All That Bright]

These two things do not compute. Iraq should reimburse because they are fragile and subject to dominance by a third country? How will this help them?
Forget it, Jim. It's Bachmann.

[Fear Itself]

Bachmann wants to raise taxes on 46% of American households. (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Bachmann-says-all-Americans-apf-3466454088.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=7&asset=&ccode=)Republican presidential hopeful Michele Bachmann is telling college students in politically important Iowa that all Americans should pay taxes since they all benefit from services such as roads and bridges, national defense and the courts.

Her position, which she was outlining Thursday at Iowa State University in Ames, is a direct challenge to rivals Rick Perry and Herman Cain, who are advocating plans that would allow low-wage earners to continue paying no taxes while implementing a form of a flat tax on all other workers.

The Tax Policy Center estimates that some 46 percent of households this year will not pay federal income taxes.
I think she has a winning issue now.

[SenorBeef]

It's funny what happened to all those "no tax increases no matter what" oath to the death they all took, and then propose tax increases on most americans. It's only "no tax increases for the top 3%" I guess. Should've read the fine print.

[Really Not All That Bright]

Maybe some of those college students can explain that everyone pays taxes; some people just don't pay income taxes.