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lightwait
07-29-2011, 04:21 PM
The absolute answer...and the following, must be done by national decree and not by a few individuals as it is being done now.

We have all of the spiritual, philosophical, technological and practical abilities to come to a place of perfection. When we believe and then act out that belief, it is called faith we are to go into the world and give them the abilities we have been given. We are to freely teach other nations and cultures how to do the things we have already learned the learned abilities that have given us the wonderful way of life we now possess.

Moreover, in essence, the process will be the downfall of Babylon. Because of the growth other nations with make from our freely giving to them, our Nation will fall from what we are now, by our growth from the state we are in now, to a new and higher way of life Babylon will be replaced by a greater entity. The "what about me" attitude that we in the US and other modern/western cultural nations have now, will be replaced by all of the differing cultural aspects inculcated into our spirit, and then our acts of faith, when we freely help other nations engage in our growing form of life on this planet, will cause others to have the life we have been given.

This is simple, and, an absolute way for all of mankind to reach a place of perfection.

I am not the author of this truth we must, and are now required, to partake of the "Tree of Life" and live.

Czarcasm
07-29-2011, 04:24 PM
So many words, and yet so little said.

Acid Lamp
07-29-2011, 04:28 PM
Wooooooooooooo...

crowmanyclouds
07-29-2011, 04:29 PM
... we must, and are now required, to partake of the "Tree of Life" and live.I'm in, I've wanted to become a Protector since the first time i read about them!

CMC fnord!

mlees
07-29-2011, 04:32 PM
Yeah. And if they reject these efforts, we shoot them in the face. Then maybe the next group will recognise our beneficence.

It's all about the love we feel for them, man.

It's almost like, our duty, our destiny, if you will.

Bryan Ekers
07-29-2011, 04:38 PM
I don't often see such a clear example of how rarity is completely uncorrelated with value, considering the OP's 0.02 posts per day rate.

voltaire
07-29-2011, 04:46 PM
What's the debate, whether or not you should smoke another one?

mlees
07-29-2011, 04:54 PM
Post #5 was sarcasm, for the record.

I noticed a contradiction, I think:

We must go out and teach the "lessons" we have learned that brought "the wonderful way of life we now possess".

Then in the next paragraph, it is mentioned that "the west" is mired in the "what about me attitude".

So what is it we are supposed to be teaching, then?

Or did I make a mistake in assuming that the OP was talking about "the West" doing the teaching? (OP has no location in profile...)

Czarcasm
07-29-2011, 04:58 PM
This is the first time I've ever been afraid to ask the OP to clarify.

OneMissedPost
07-29-2011, 05:00 PM
The absolute answer...and the following, must be done by national decree and not by a few individuals as it is being done now.

We have all of the spiritual, philosophical, technological and practical abilities to come to a place of perfection. Huh? Everyone has spiritual, philosophical, technological and practical abilities? Please, explain this.

When we believe and then act out that belief, it is called faith — we are to go into the world and give them the abilities we have been given. We are to freely teach other nations and cultures how to do the things we have already learned — the learned abilities that have given us the wonderful way of life we now possess. Huh? Again. Same abilities?

Der Trihs
07-29-2011, 05:03 PM
Moreover, in essence, the process will be the downfall of Babylon.
You're a little late for that.

we must, and are now required, to partake of the "Tree of Life" and live.

I'm in, I've wanted to become a Protector since the first time i read about them!

CMC fnord!Nah, personally I prefer the presence of sex organs and the lack of genocidal compulsions...

Darth Sensitive
07-29-2011, 05:10 PM
I came in expecting "Jul 2011".

Trinopus
07-29-2011, 06:05 PM
I'm kinda interested in the "National Decree" part. Constitutional Amendment?

But, y'know, take away the woo-woo and tree of life, and there is at least some validity to the OP... The western industrialized nations ought to have the resources to improve, hugely, upon the quality of life, not only for themselves but for all other nations too...

(Sigh... From such ideals came the ugliness of communism... The dream of reason produces monsters... I guess I'll go make a charitable donation somewhere...)

Trinopus (my glass is 1/8 full...but at least I have a glass...)

Chronos
07-29-2011, 06:14 PM
I think what he's saying is that we need to pass a constitutional amendment that says "Be perfect".

John Mace
07-29-2011, 07:17 PM
I came in expecting "Jul 2011".

Yes! In fact, I was all prepared with a witty one liner, too.

Now I'm pissed. My "spiritual, philosophical, technological and practical abilities" are shot.

ETA: Don't be fooled by the Dec 2004 join date. Only 58 total posts, including the OP.

E-Sabbath
07-29-2011, 07:21 PM
Tree of Life, Babylon... I'm sensing Rastafarian here?

John Mace
07-29-2011, 07:30 PM
Or just a Terrence Malick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tree_of_Life_(film)) fan.

kunilou
07-29-2011, 07:52 PM
Are we sure this isn't a zombie thread? After all, Babylon fell in 539 BCE, and I'm pretty sure it's already been replaced.

BrainGlutton
07-29-2011, 07:54 PM
The absolute answer...and the following, must be done by national decree and not by a few individuals as it is being done now.


Thank you, I prefer the solution where all the world trembles and screams under my yoke and lash.

I think you will find that will be the attitude of any one in a position to do what you are describing.

Little Nemo
07-29-2011, 07:55 PM
This is the first time I've ever been afraid to ask the OP to clarify.My guess is TM.

tomndebb
07-29-2011, 09:08 PM
lightwait, I am guessing that your OP was a form of witnessing, hence its placement in Great debates. Unfortunately, I have no idea what you are actually witnessing for--and I suspect that all the other poster share my confusion.

I guess I will leave this thread in GD, but I suspect that it is not going to garner much reaction beyond ridicule unless you can post with a bit more clarity. (And, depending on what you are actually trying to say, ridicule is not ruled out as a possibility even if your text is absolutely clear to all.)


[ /Moderating ]

DWMarch
07-30-2011, 02:54 AM
The absolute answer...and the following, must be done by national decree and not by a few individuals as it is being done now.

We have all of the spiritual, philosophical, technological and practical abilities to come to a place of perfection. When we believe and then act out that belief, it is called faith we are to go into the world and give them the abilities we have been given. We are to freely teach other nations and cultures how to do the things we have already learned the learned abilities that have given us the wonderful way of life we now possess.

Ethnocentrism. Got it. We are the best, all others suck. They will not laugh. They will not cry. They will learn by the numbers we will teach them.

The "what about me" attitude that we in the US and other modern/western cultural nations have now, will be replaced by all of the differing cultural aspects inculcated into our spirit, and then our acts of faith, when we freely help other nations engage in our growing form of life on this planet, will cause others to have the life we have been given.

HEY WAIT A MINUTE!

What's this crap about differing cultural aspects? I thought we were going for a Borg approach here. "Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated." You can't be ethnocentric and diverse at the same time!

msmith537
07-30-2011, 05:30 AM
The absolute answer...and the following, must be done by national decree and not by a few individuals as it is being done now.


Ahh but what is the question.



We have all of the spiritual, philosophical, technological and practical abilities to come to a place of perfection.


Some of us are already there and are waiting for the rest of you to catch up.



When we believe and then act out that belief, it is called faith we are to go into the world and give them the abilities we have been given. We are to freely teach other nations and cultures how to do the things we have already learned the learned abilities that have given us the wonderful way of life we now possess.


I cannot teach those who will not be taught.



Moreover, in essence, the process will be the downfall of Babylon. Because of the growth other nations with make from our freely giving to them, our Nation will fall from what we are now, by our growth from the state we are in now, to a new and higher way of life Babylon will be replaced by a greater entity. The "what about me" attitude that we in the US and other modern/western cultural nations have now, will be replaced by all of the differing cultural aspects inculcated into our spirit, and then our acts of faith, when we freely help other nations engage in our growing form of life on this planet, will cause others to have the life we have been given.

That's beautiful. Is that from Bob Marley?




This is simple, and, an absolute way for all of mankind to reach a place of perfection.

Movement of jah people!



I am not the author of this truth we must, and are now required, to partake of the "Tree of Life" and live.

And then we must destroy that tree so it can never threaten us again!

Smeghead
07-30-2011, 07:20 AM
Wait...so what are we supposed to do then? Did I miss it, or did the OP just forget to include that bit?

El_Kabong
07-30-2011, 07:42 AM
Crap, now I've got the tune to "By the Rivers of Babylon" stuck in my head. Thanks loads.

Merneith
07-30-2011, 07:43 AM
I think what he's saying is that we need to pass a constitutional amendment that says "Be perfect".

No, I think he's saying "Be Excellent to Each Other." It's good advice, actually.

BrainGlutton
07-30-2011, 09:00 AM
No, I think he's saying "Be Excellent to Each Other." It's good advice, actually.

And party on, dudes! :)

Magiver
07-30-2011, 11:09 AM
After reading the op's opening thread multiple times I have the perfect debate question:

cite?

Try2B Comprehensive
07-30-2011, 03:19 PM
This reminds me of a great Buddha quote I ran across in the latest Harper's:
They do not listen to the good teachings; nor do they try to understand them; they simply give themselves up to the present interest, to wealth and to lust.
I'm pretty sure that applies to advice that makes sense, too.

lightwait
08-01-2011, 12:36 PM
The majority of these posts profess the typical attitude and spirit the nations of the world see in the United States — US, US, US, from a "What about me?" nation of idiot savants.

Marley23
08-01-2011, 12:38 PM
lightwait, the problem here is that no one understood what you were trying to say. You can start a new thread if you think you can explain yourself clearly. I'm closing this one.