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Jim B.
12-21-2011, 12:53 AM
Like my parents, I am an avid trekkie. And like many people, I think Star Trek: the Next Generation is the best one of the genre. In fact I liked it so much, it really is hard to choose just one favorite episode (which I know is an odd thing to say in a thread entitled, Pick your favorite).

I like the hope it offers for the future. So for this reason, I like episodes where their techology and its benefits are the feature (esp. in relations to someone who doesn't have it). Examples of this are The Neutral Zone (where they bring back 3 cryonically preserved humans) and Who Watches the Watchers? where they are forced to reveal themselves to some proto-vulcan humanoids, on a primitive planet.

Tied with this, would have to be episodes where there is a mystery. Future Imperfect, Clues, Conundrum, Cause and Effect and Schisms would all be examples of this. (You got to figure the fans liked ones with mysteries. They made so many of them.) I like rewatching these episodes all the time (which is ironic, because I already know the answer to the mystery).

In second place for me would have to be ones were there is a guest star from the original series. Dr. McCoy's guest starring in Encounter at Farpoint was kind of lame. So I don't usually include that one. But there is Relics (with James Doohan as "Scotty") and Sarek (played by Mark Lenard) and Unification I & II with Leonard Nimoy as Spock.

Well, those are my favorites. What are yours:)?

(BTW, as long as I'm at it, I actually have another question, making this thread a two-parter. Does anybody know what satellite/cable station/s carries TNG regularly? So far I can only find it on BBC-America on the weekend.)

ReticulatingSplines
12-21-2011, 01:02 AM
Here you go:

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=231914

Or I'll summarize and save you the reading time: 1. Inner Light, 2. All Good Things, 3.-4.Best of Both Worlds, 5. Darmok, 6. Everything that's not Farpoint or Shades of Grey.

aceplace57
12-21-2011, 02:17 AM
Nearly all the 3rd and 4th season episodes are really good.

Two of my favorites are The Wounded its really the first time we see O'Brien as a major part of the story. His scenes with his former Captain are really good.

Redemption with Picard choosing the new Klingon ruler.

(mostly) Harmless
12-21-2011, 05:10 PM
1. All Good Things
2. Tapestry
3. Genesis

Also I have to agree with aceplace57 that The Wounded was really good. I actually downloaded the song O'Brien sings (it's called Minstrel Boy) and I love it.

fubbleskag
12-21-2011, 05:20 PM
Chain of Command

teela brown
12-21-2011, 06:01 PM
The Measure of a Man
Deja Q
Family

BrotherCadfael
12-21-2011, 06:18 PM
I'm kind of fond of Family, the episode where Picard, wounded in body and spirit, returns to his family's vineyards to recuperate after being Borgified. Quiet, low-key, and sweet without cloying.

Biffy the Elephant Shrew
12-21-2011, 06:26 PM
Tied with this, would have to be episodes where there is a mystery. Future Imperfect, Clues, Conundrum, Cause and Effect and Schisms would all be examples of this. (You got to figure the fans liked ones with mysteries. They made so many of them.) I like rewatching these episodes all the time (which is ironic, because I already know the answer to the mystery).

It makes perfect sense to me. The solution to the mystery is usually pretty stupid. The good part is the mystery itself, which usually establishes a nicely creepy atmosphere.

Untoward_Parable
12-21-2011, 06:29 PM
Darmok I think offhand, but I'd have to review them all to really know my own mind about it.

I like the episode where Barkley becomes a god as well, again hard to say without a thorough review.

FordTaurusSHO94
12-21-2011, 06:34 PM
The Klingon and Romulan episodes are all good. One that I like to watch it Starship Mine. It's fun to bring up that one when people gripe about Picard being an action hero in the movies.

Evin
12-21-2011, 07:01 PM
Cause and Effect hands down!

jayjay
12-21-2011, 07:27 PM
The Klingon and Romulan episodes are all good. One that I like to watch it Starship Mine. It's fun to bring up that one when people gripe about Picard being an action hero in the movies.

Featuring Tim Russ as one of the would-be hijackers, who also plays Tuvok on Voyager and a Klingon thug on DS9 (Invasive Procedures).

Drum God
12-21-2011, 10:15 PM
I've always been fond of Yesterday's Enterprise, even though I'm not fond of time-travel episodes.

Uncle Brother Walker
12-21-2011, 10:36 PM
A bunch of great ones have been mentioned (Clues, Schisms, Darmok...) but I like the whole Klingon Civil war thing, starting with Worf's dishonor and Key'lehr's first appearance.

I don't remember the title, but the one where Data creates Lol, his daughter.

Speaking of Data, I really liked Masks. I know most folks don't, but I think Brent Spiner did a good job with multiple characters.

So many more to choose from. BOBW I & II are excellent. The one where Geordi and Ro became out of phase.

SeaDragonTattoo
12-21-2011, 10:51 PM
Home Soil

"Ugly Bags of Mostly Water"

It's the only quote I use regularly, other than the obvious. Usually no one gets it and I'm just the weird one in the room, explaining myself.

Icerigger
12-22-2011, 04:19 AM
I like Frame of Mind, probably the darkest episode of the series.

flex727
12-22-2011, 09:15 AM
The one where Geordi and Ro became out of phase.

I liked that episode, but I have a hard time getting past the fact that the out of phase characters stand around, and even run, in the Enterprise. Apparently they are only out of phase with walls, but not floors. :smack:

Mr. Excellent
12-22-2011, 09:46 AM
I've always been fond of Yesterday's Enterprise, even though I'm not fond of time-travel episodes.

Picard's final line of that episode is one of the finest Crowning Moments of Awesome in Star Trek:
With warp core breach imminent, the bridge in flames, and most of the crew dead or dying, the Klingon commander demands that Enterprise surrender and prepare to be boarded. Picard's response? "That will be the day." And with that, he leaps to the tactical station and dies fighting his ship.

I'm kind of fond of Family, the episode where Picard, wounded in body and spirit, returns to his family's vineyards to recuperate after being Borgified. Quiet, low-key, and sweet without cloying.

Agreed. Any time a writer says "Okay, now we're going to have Patrick Stewart bust out some nuanced, character-driven acting," you've just come up with a win. See: The Inner Light. I also quite liked "The Perfect Mate", for the same reason: it could have been a very silly episode, but Stewart manages to sell Picard as a guy who's genuinely wrestling with it.

BwanaBob
12-22-2011, 09:50 AM
The Inner Light had me in tears. I don't know how anyone could survive such a mind-fuck. If I suddenly woke up now and discovered my wife, my children, my life were a dream, I'd be ready for a padded cell.

carnivorousplant
12-22-2011, 10:36 AM
Conspiracy, Q Who, Best of Both Worlds, Qpid, Inner Light, Time's Arrow, Fistfull of Datas, Genesis because Riker gives the finger when he slides down the wall, All Good Things.

Far more than I would have thought!

Taomist
12-22-2011, 11:15 AM
Anything with Q. Bought a set of Q-episodes put out on DVD, because apparantly I'm not the only one who likes them THAT much :)

Skald the Rhymer
12-22-2011, 11:44 AM
Without reading the thread (or checking that I have the titles right):

1) "Change of Command" (possibly "Chain"), with Picard being tortured, Jellicoe in command, and Riker getting his comeupance for being a feckless wanker. Admittedly more comeupance would have been nice.
2) "Inner Light," when Picard lives a lifetime in an hour.
3) The one when Picard gets involved with the lieutenant commander in astrocartography or whatever the hell it was. Spiritual sequel to IL, I always thought.
4) The two-parter in which Riker & Picard both get captured by pirates and Data has to take command of the ship for several days at a minimum. I had been waiting to see what Data being in charge would be like for years, and I wasn't disappointed by that part of the story, though the Picard-Riker part of the story was a bit lame.
5) The Starfleet Academy story in which Wesley gets his comeupance.
6) The episode in which Riker & Wesley are captured by the space ants and eaten alive. Admittedly that one only exists in my head.

aceplace57
12-22-2011, 11:46 AM
I always liked the lighthearted, humorous episodes. Captains Holiday is a favorite for that reason. Plus Picard gets a love interest in Vash on Risa the pleasure planet of love. ;)

I like the Q episode where Picard and crew play robin hood. Worf's line, "I'm not a merry man" is hilarious.

Cartoonacy
12-22-2011, 12:06 PM
My favorites are "The Ensigns of Command" (though I've never understood the significance of the title) and "Darmok" (I'd love to know what a Tamarian technical manual looks like).

Edit: I never thought to check Wikipedia until now:
The title of the episode is taken from John Quincy Adams poem The Wants of Man.

I want the seals of power and place,
The ensigns of command,
Charged by the people's unbought grace,
To rule my native land.
Nor crown nor sceptre would I ask,
But from my country's will,
By day, by night, to ply the task
Her cup of bliss to fill.

carnivorousplant
12-22-2011, 12:08 PM
6) The episode in which Riker & Wesley are captured by the space ants and eaten alive. Admittedly that one only exists in my head.

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beowulff
12-22-2011, 12:56 PM
Because no one has mentioned it:
Remember Me.
The universe is a spheroid region, 705 meters in diameter

jayjay
12-22-2011, 01:09 PM
I like the Q episode where Picard and crew play robin hood. Worf's line, "I'm not a merry man" is hilarious.

Even better, the full line is "Captain, I MUST protest! I am NOT a merry man!" It brings out the full strength of how offended Worf is.

Snooooopy
12-22-2011, 01:47 PM
I've always been fond of Yesterday's Enterprise, even though I'm not fond of time-travel episodes.

I love the moment where Picard admits to the other captain, in hushed tones, that the Federation will likely have to surrender to the Klingons in a matter of months. He really sells how desperate the situation is.

BrotherCadfael
12-23-2011, 11:14 AM
I also quite liked "The Perfect Mate", for the same reason: it could have been a very silly episode, but Stewart manages to sell Picard as a guy who's genuinely wrestling with it.Plus, it was the first appearance of Famke Janssen, a major win in itself.

cochrane
12-23-2011, 01:21 PM
Featuring Tim Russ as one of the would-be hijackers, who also plays Tuvok on Voyager and a Klingon thug on DS9 (Invasive Procedures).Russ was also on the bridge of the Enterprise-B in Generations.

jayjay
12-23-2011, 01:29 PM
Russ was also on the bridge of the Enterprise-B in Generations.

I think Tim Russ and Jeffrey Combs are almost neck-and-neck for "Most Roles Played In Star Trek" (excluding stuntpeople). Combs is a little ahead, though.

Skald the Rhymer
12-23-2011, 01:30 PM
Russ was also on the bridge of the Enterprise-B in Generations.

Mightn't he have been Tuvok? We know that Tuvok served under Sulu on the Stan Lee's Silly Catchphrase.

jayjay
12-23-2011, 01:43 PM
Tuvok's Memory Alpha entry (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Tuvok) has nothing about serving on the Enterprise-B. And if there were ANY record of it in anything out of Paramount, it would be there. There might be some fanwanking about it, though. Considering that Generations came out in 1994 and Voyager didn't come out until a year later, I don't think anyone really intended it to be Tuvok.

Skald the Rhymer
12-23-2011, 01:45 PM
Tuvok's Memory Alpha entry (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Tuvok) has nothing about serving on the Enterprise-B. And if there were ANY record of it in anything out of Paramount, it would be there. There might be some fanwanking about it, though. Considering that Generations came out in 1994 and Voyager didn't come out until a year later, I don't think anyone really intended it to be Tuvok.

Oh, I realize that. I'm just saying that I perfer to assume it was Tuvok rather than his twin brother, clone, or other doppleganger. (Assuming he was a black Vulcan in that scene; I don't recall.)

mlees
12-23-2011, 01:46 PM
Mightn't he have been Tuvok? We know that Tuvok served under Sulu on the Stan Lee's Silly Catchphrase.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Enterprise-B_lieutenant.jpg

Note the rounded ears.

jayjay
12-23-2011, 01:48 PM
His ears look human here (http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/excelsior/enterpriseb-generations-msd.jpg).

ETA: Good catch, mlees!

Skald the Rhymer
12-23-2011, 01:50 PM
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Enterprise-B_lieutenant.jpg

Note the rounded ears.

That proves nothing. Federation plastic surgery is quite up to depointing and repointing Vulcan ears, and everyone knows that Tuvok went through a self-loathing Vulcan stage in his youth. He slept with a lot of white Christian girls in those days. There's little Tuvoks roaming all over 24th-century Knoxville.

Dr. Rieux
12-23-2011, 01:57 PM
Darmok
The Lonely

cochrane
12-23-2011, 07:08 PM
That proves nothing. Federation plastic surgery is quite up to depointing and repointing Vulcan ears, and everyone knows that Tuvok went through a self-loathing Vulcan stage in his youth. He slept with a lot of white Christian girls in those days. There's little Tuvoks roaming all over 24th-century Knoxville.And don't forget, McCoy surgically altered Kirk to pass for Romulan, then back to human in "The Enterprise Incident."

Baker
12-23-2011, 09:15 PM
After the first season of ST-TNG I was a little disappointed because so much of it seemed to be a rehash of ideas from TOS. But in the second season the episode "Loud as a Whisper", with the negotiator who was a deaf-mute, gave me hope. The way in which he communicated, through his "chorus" of associates, seemed quite original. And his frustration when he was cut off from them mad me wonder how I'd feel if I suddenly lost my ability to talk.

Plus I loved one line Worf had. Worf was looking over Data's shoulder at the computer screen that was showing Data hand sign language. Worf tends to think of everythin in military terms, so he said " Hmm, a method of communication that is both silent and covert. It could be useful."

billfish678
12-23-2011, 09:17 PM
There's little Tuvoks roaming all over 24th-century Knoxville.

Okay, now THAT was funny.

Gotta love those Vulcan baby daddys!

An episode I liked. The one where the high ranking Romulan defects to warn the Federation about a cloaked base thats the start of planned war/invasion. Because he knows a war will be B A D for the Romulans. Turns out he was set up and it was all faked. He did something amazingly noble and sacrificing. Yet, even the characters in the show all seemed to loathe him and his choices to some extent.

the lone cashew
12-24-2011, 05:41 AM
Patrick Stewart has remarked it was his favorite as well, The Inner Light was the episode that stood out the most for me, a truly stupendous story crafted into a one hour tv show.

NoClueBoy
12-24-2011, 07:07 AM
The laugh at the end of Tapestry, and the reason for it.

Skald the Rhymer
12-26-2011, 11:25 AM
After the first season of ST-TNG I was a little disappointed because so much of it seemed to be a rehash of ideas from TOS. But in the second season the episode "Loud as a Whisper", with the negotiator who was a deaf-mute, gave me hope. The way in which he communicated, through his "chorus" of associates, seemed quite original. And his frustration when he was cut off from them mad me wonder how I'd feel if I suddenly lost my ability to talk.

Plus I loved one line Worf had. Worf was looking over Data's shoulder at the computer screen that was showing Data hand sign language. Worf tends to think of everythin in military terms, so he said " Hmm, a method of communication that is both silent and covert. It could be useful."

I don't know how "Loud as a Whisper" (and it's spiritual sequel, "Darmok") got left out of my earlier list -- particularly since the former was the one that convinced me that TNG was going to be worthwhile.

And I loved Worf's remark too. I like to fanwank that he actually got it done, too. (Or if he couldn't, it was all Riker's fault.) I can easily say Federation science has having eradicated the causes of deafness among humans a hundred years before, and sign language having so vanished from culture that nobody had realized its tactical usefulness till Worf had his "aha" moment.

nivlac
12-26-2011, 12:03 PM
I have so many favorites, but the one that's on top of my list is The Inner Light. Picard had lived a lifetime in 25 minutes and it had a profound effect on him for the rest of the series. It is by far my favorite episode.

The Second Stone
12-26-2011, 12:42 PM
The one where a very young Wesley Crusher gets a tiny bit intoxicated and saves the ship with his mommy and her unrequited lover (Jon Luc).

The one where Denise Crosby (Commander Tasha Yar) gets killed.

The one where 7 of 9 (Jeri Ryan) gets nekkid. (Yeah, I know, it's Voyager.)

Skald the Rhymer
12-26-2011, 01:18 PM
Okay, now THAT was funny.

Gotta love those Vulcan baby daddys!

An episode I liked. The one where the high ranking Romulan defects to warn the Federation about a cloaked base thats the start of planned war/invasion. Because he knows a war will be B A D for the Romulans. Turns out he was set up and it was all faked. He did something amazingly noble and sacrificing. Yet, even the characters in the show all seemed to loathe him and his choices to some extent.

I don't think loathe is the right term. (Well, okay, Worf loathed him, but Worf was explicitly racist about Romulans at that point.) They just didn't trust him; they thought he might well be in on what scheme the Romulans were hatching, rather than one of its victims.

SecondStone, I think Yar died a lieutenant.

drewtwo99
12-26-2011, 04:51 PM
Tapestry and Inner Light are my two favorites by far.

I like the one where Data's humanity is on trial (Measure of a Man, maybe?)

All Good Things was great as well.

And of course, I love all of those short funny clips where they took quotes out of context, mixed in a little video editing magic, and made the entire crew seem like they were insane. You know the ones I'm talking about?

The Second Stone
12-26-2011, 08:53 PM
I don't think loathe is the right term. (Well, okay, Worf loathed him, but Worf was explicitly racist about Romulans at that point.) They just didn't trust him; they thought he might well be in on what scheme the Romulans were hatching, rather than one of its victims.

SecondStone, I think Yar died a lieutenant.

I promoted her posthumously. I saw the original series a zillion times as a kid in the 70s. I was only able to stomach TNG once.

billfish678
12-27-2011, 07:51 AM
And of course, I love all of those short funny clips where they took quotes out of context, mixed in a little video editing magic, and made the entire crew seem like they were insane. You know the ones I'm talking about?

Oh gawd that sounds funny. I hope someone has a link. And I wonder, has anyone done one of the raging Hitler videos with him bitching about Star Trek in one way or another?

BorgHunter
12-27-2011, 08:12 AM
Oh gawd that sounds funny. I hope someone has a link. And I wonder, has anyone done one of the raging Hitler videos with him bitching about Star Trek in one way or another?
Try "That Jean-Luc Picard" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf9oD_xl8mI&feature=related) and "Bridge Buffoonery" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8aEhtJ-sgg&feature=related), my two favorites. They're done by the same guy who does MS Paint Adventures, I believe.

Gagundathar
12-27-2011, 08:16 AM
A vote for Inner Light as well.
The flute playing was really poignant.

Bootis
12-27-2011, 08:17 AM
Oh gawd that sounds funny. I hope someone has a link. And I wonder, has anyone done one of the raging Hitler videos with him bitching about Star Trek in one way or another?

This guy does them best (http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=jtmbzJNPsaQ)- he has a website with dozens more on it. They are hilarious

billfish678
12-27-2011, 08:34 AM
Thanks guys. Time to spend even more of my life wasted on youtube :)

Frylock
12-27-2011, 08:48 AM
I liked The Offspring, where Data makes a kid. It's not as good as some of the bests mentioned here, though.

I mostly like the last fifteen minutes or so.

Frylock
12-27-2011, 08:49 AM
Darmok I couldn't like because I couldn't believe the things it was saying about the language of the alien. (Even if such a language could exist, it couldn't support the development of a spacefaring technology.) (And even if it were all true, the translator should have had no problem handling this.)

Mister Rik
12-27-2011, 01:34 PM
The one where Geordi and Ro became out of phase.
That episode was part of the inspiration behind my original, long-time Internet handle (and original SDMB username), "Phase42" (the source for the "42" wasn't Douglas Adams, BTW, at least not directly; rather, I noticed one day that every time I needed to name a random, large-ish number, usually when I was using hyperbole to describe how many people were in line, or how many things went wrong today, the number I pulled out of the air was always "42-something". "I swear there were 42 people in line at the convenience store!" "Yeah, I'd like to buy that, but I don't have $42,000 laying around." Sadly, almost everybody in the chat rooms assumed it was my age (I was 30 when I picked the handle).

Even better, the full line is "Captain, I MUST protest! I am NOT a merry man!" It brings out the full strength of how offended Worf is.
And the deadpan way, after smashing Geordi's lute, he said, "Sorry."


I enjoyed the episodes that featured "enemies" and depicted individuals rather than the simple, monolithic "enemy culture", and we were shown that, just like in real life, they're ordinary people who are usually pretty decent. The three examples I can think of offhand were all Romulans - the soldier who was trapped with Geordi on that planet and they had to work together to escape, the episode where all the different races were working on the same "mystery" and arrived at a particular planet where they learned they were all descended from the same progenitor race (the Romulan captain Picard talks to at the end), and the episode where Troi was undercover as a political officer on a Romulan ship, and the captain of that ship turned out to be somebody who recognized the problems with her government, but was loyal and earnestly wanted to do what was best for her people. Additionally, I thought that was also the best Troi-centered episode of the series.

jayjay
12-27-2011, 01:54 PM
I enjoyed the episodes that featured "enemies" and depicted individuals rather than the simple, monolithic "enemy culture", and we were shown that, just like in real life, they're ordinary people who are usually pretty decent. The three examples I can think of offhand were all Romulans - the soldier who was trapped with Geordi on that planet and they had to work together to escape, the episode where all the different races were working on the same "mystery" and arrived at a particular planet where they learned they were all descended from the same progenitor race (the Romulan captain Picard talks to at the end), and the episode where Troi was undercover as a political officer on a Romulan ship, and the captain of that ship turned out to be somebody who recognized the problems with her government, but was loyal and earnestly wanted to do what was best for her people. Additionally, I thought that was also the best Troi-centered episode of the series.

Like the Ferengi DaiMon Bok in "The Battle" and "Bloodlines". His hatred for and drive for revenge against Picard were completely personal things, and resulted in his disgrace both times, first by losing his military commission and being thrown in prison, then by being abandoned by his Ferengi allies when they found out he was taking extrajudicial revenge.

Skald the Rhymer
12-27-2011, 02:34 PM
I liked The Offspring, where Data makes a kid. It's not as good as some of the bests mentioned here, though.

I mostly like the last fifteen minutes or so.

Do you mean from the point when Admiral KillHimWithFire threatens Lal with being separated from her father, and Lal goes to Troi's quarters to freak out? Said freak-out being made all the worse because she had no idea what emotions were all about? And then has an electronic stroke, forcing Data and the admiral to force emergency positronic surgery, and the admiral realizes what a dick he's been, and she dies?

Yeah, that got to me too.

Darmok I couldn't like because I couldn't believe the things it was saying about the language of the alien. (Even if such a language could exist, it couldn't support the development of a spacefaring technology.) (And even if it were all true, the translator should have had no problem handling this.)

I'll have to disagree with you on that one. Partly because the Picard-Darmok story was compelling in itself, so I could pretend that Picard was just stranded someplace without his translator; but mostly because of the way Patrick Stuart told the story of Gilgamesh. It was perfectly wonderful.

Anyway, I think it was less that the aliens' language was so metaphoric as to be incomprehensible, as it was that their brains were so different from other humanoids that the translator's magical technobabble mindreading feature didn't work.

carnivorousplant
12-27-2011, 08:52 PM
Anyway, I think it was less that the aliens' language was so metaphoric as to be incomprehensible, as it was that their brains were so different from other humanoids that the translator's magical technobabble mindreading feature didn't work.

I don't think it is technobabel mindreading. There was a DS 9 episode where it takes several minutes of conversation between Kira and the New Alien of the Week to make the translator work.

jayjay
12-27-2011, 09:04 PM
I don't think it is technobabel mindreading. There was a DS 9 episode where it takes several minutes of conversation between Kira and the New Alien of the Week to make the translator work.

The universal translator was always at its worst when they were trying to technobabble how it worked. It doesn't take much suspension of disbelief to just accept the UT as some magical thing that always works, except when they don't want it to (it always seemed like the UT was hyperaware of the rules of drama and especially knew when a Klingon wanted to not translate some Klingon concept). It's when the writers tried to make sense of the UT that it suffered, because that just drew attention to it.

flex727
12-28-2011, 03:26 PM
I like the one where Data's humanity is on trial (Measure of a Man, maybe?)

Yep, I love that episode as well. The final scene between Data and Riker still makes me tear up a bit everytime I see it:

(Riker feels guilt about acting as Data's prosecutor and almost sealing his fate)
Lt. Commander Data: Is it not true that, had you refused to prosecute, Captain Louvois would have ruled summarily against me?
Commander William T. Riker: Yes.
Lt. Commander Data: That action injured you, and saved me. I will not forget it.
Commander William T. Riker: (smiles) You're a wise man, my friend.
Lt. Commander Data: Not yet, sir. But with your help, I am learning.

Hentzau
12-28-2011, 05:15 PM
"Chain of Command"
I don't know how they did it, but someone wrote a believable command officer in Edward Jellico. Sadly, Riker behaved like a dick.

"A Matter of Honor"
Riker has to try on a new paradigm for officer performance and does right well. I wondered if he wasn't a little sad at having to give up life as a Klingon.

carnivorousplant
12-28-2011, 05:26 PM
"A Matter of Honor"
Riker has to try on a new paradigm for officer performance and does right well. I wondered if he wasn't a little sad at having to give up life as a Klingon.

I don't remember if they had his Klingon counter part.
Having to drink tea, talk to Troi about his Inner Anger, and bathe.

NoClueBoy
12-28-2011, 05:57 PM
Troi: "Tell me about your mother..."

Klingon: [stabs her in the head]

Skald the Rhymer
12-28-2011, 06:11 PM
I don't remember if they had his Klingon counter part.

Not in that episode. But the Worf-discommendation arc began with the Enterprise taking a Klingon officer aboard under the same circumstances as Riker; it was Kurn (Kern?), Worf's elder brother.

Voyager
12-30-2011, 07:57 PM
I'm kind of fond of Family, the episode where Picard, wounded in body and spirit, returns to his family's vineyards to recuperate after being Borgified. Quiet, low-key, and sweet without cloying.

I'm just up to that episode in my watching them all in order effort, and a few things struck me, which I'll put here instead of starting a new thread. First, the total absence of the news media. Second, the total lack of reaction of people on Earth to what just happened.

I can understand how all the saving the universe in deep space (my home) makes no impression on the home planet. But the Borg had just wiped out a good chunk of the fleet, and was very close to earth when Data put them to sleep. You'd think this would be somewhat traumatic. You'd think there would be more effort to honor the crew than a parade in a small French village. (Which seemed more in honor of Picard's career than anything else.) His brother seemed only vaguely aware of what had just happened. Does Earth get threatened so often that no one notices anymore? Is the trust in Star Fleet so complete that no one moves a muscle when the latest menace warps into view? Or, given the lack of a press, did Star Fleet not bother to tell anyone that they were about to be absorbed into the Borg?

Still a good, episode, and I loved that Worf's parents were Jewish. Oh I know it said Russian, but Theodore Bikel?

aceplace57
12-30-2011, 08:18 PM
They did fudge a lot with Picard after the Borg invasion. He was the face and spokesman for the Borg. I can't see how he could have resumed command of any Starship. There always would be a bit of doubt about him. Even though the Borg implants had been removed.

There would have also been a lot of anger still directed against Locutus of Borg/Picard. That was a big part of DS9's opening episode. Sisko still had a lot of hatred because his wife had been killed in a Borg attack. I bet a lot of other Star Fleet personnel felt the same way. Just the sight of Picard's face was enough to bring back all the pain of that lost battle. 39 Starships were destroyed at Wolf 359.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Battle_of_Wolf_359

Family was a really good episode. It's the only time we really see Picard dealing with what happened to him. I can't see him ever fully getting over his experiences as the Borg leader.

matt_mcl
12-30-2011, 08:30 PM
Because no one has mentioned it:
Remember Me.

Yup. I also, unlike everyone else, liked the episode "Cost of Living" - the one where Lwaxana is meant to get married (unhappily) but spends the episode Auntie Mame-ing it up with Alexander.

Mister Rik
12-30-2011, 09:32 PM
Yup. I also, unlike everyone else, liked the episode "Cost of Living" - the one where Lwaxana is meant to get married (unhappily) but spends the episode Auntie Mame-ing it up with Alexander.

"The higher, the fewer!"

Wasn't that also the first Lwaxana episode after Gene died? I always suspected that was why that episode was more subdued than most Lwaxana episodes.

BigT
12-30-2011, 11:28 PM
I liked that episode, but I have a hard time getting past the fact that the out of phase characters stand around, and even run, in the Enterprise. Apparently they are only out of phase with walls, but not floors. :smack:

My fanwank is that there's some sort of energy running through all the floors--maybe even the gravity plating.

Though you'd think they'd be all about trying to figure out what it was in the floor that they apparently could interact with.

Anyways, I liked the one where Riker was in a virtual reality the whole time, Future Imperfect. I also like any episode with Moriarty in it.

Then again, I also like Encounter at Farpoint and Masks, both of which are pretty poorly regarded in Trek circles. So I won't be surprised if no one likes those above, either.

Mister Rik
12-31-2011, 01:35 AM
I liked that episode, but I have a hard time getting past the fact that the out of phase characters stand around, and even run, in the Enterprise. Apparently they are only out of phase with walls, but not floors. :smack:

My fanwank is that there's some sort of energy running through all the floors--maybe even the gravity plating.

Though you'd think they'd be all about trying to figure out what it was in the floor that they apparently could interact with.

I suppose there's also the question of why the ship didn't just move "out from under" them and leave them standing in open space. Inertia, I guess.

Actually, wasn't there at least one scene where they pop through a floor or ceiling?

Skald the Rhymer
01-01-2012, 12:48 PM
My fanwank is that there's some sort of energy running through all the floors--maybe even the gravity plating.

Though you'd think they'd be all about trying to figure out what it was in the floor that they apparently could interact with.


The Romulan officer who was phased was able to sit in a chair and to turn it around.

I think you just have to Mystery Science Theater 3000 that ep.


I also like any episode with Moriarty in it.

Well, there were only two.